Joe Rogan Experience #10008 — Jimmy Smith Transcript

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0:00 What are we waiting on, Jay? We good? and you let him go. I would be thrilled if somehow or another just a little background. I enjoy watching it. They were great about the whole breakup thing. show, my boss sat me down and he said, That's never, that's never what they, they never say that. When they were like, we want to change the deal around. This is a small handful of people.

2:33 And it's a job. mean how many times you heard i've heard of great great jiu-jitsu guys like he's just not a great Yeah. Right. They didn't grow up doing Jiu-Jitsu. So a lot of our sport is at Americans, it's weird because most Americans didn't grow up wrestling. They didn't grow up doing Muay Thai. They didn't grow up doing Jiu Jitsu. We're happy to be here.

4:14 Did he have one great night? Right. To say, you know, what are we seeing here? It could be an old thing. I think that's important. now. Here comes a scramble. What would called Dana White about you, like how many years Yeah. I go, he's a real fan. Well, you got to call some fucking badass fights, though, man. you go, Jesus Christ. When you meet that guy, you go,

6:52 That's what he told you. He's like, well, I don't want to eat too much. That is so insane. We weren't as a promotion under it, I don't think. Yeah, that the IV thing was good for short-term recovery from severe dehydration, but to actually go from like a weight-cutting weight to go back. every few years, the, Now, once again, I haven't read the studies, but I've had coaches tell me that.

9:24 Guys didn't cut like they do now. 100%. Fully clothed. One of the things about fighting in general, and this goes too with other aspects of the sport, What rule can you make? They've done high schools now for wrestling. If you pass the hydration test, You weigh 170 pounds, but you're in danger. Not you. Yeah, that's what we were walking around him. Easy. He's like 220

12:17 And a big, tall 205. In the last few fights, he's looked much better. And he looks like he's got something to lose. Darion Caldwell is huge at 135. How much of it is a really good game plan and a really good nutritionist? Well, one of the things, once again, going back to storytelling for us, And he has an advantage in the fight. So they obviously realized there's some changes

14:46 somebody you know jordan in his prime you just you just can't cover the guy it's almost like that much better it's it's back to the drawing board well I was super impressed minutes. look at them in between rounds and you see That's what really separates the guys who are mentally 100% there on those horns. those inside leg kicks and doing everything he can everything he can to create space but for

17:33 He never went, look, just go away. So for people who don't know, the new rules make it easier to make distinctions between a 10-9 round, 10-8 round, 10-7 round, which I agree. Because it just definitely seemed there was a much larger disparity in the numbers in After you get, you saw the look on Barbosa's face. crap like a truck rolling over you. to have that look like,

19:24 and the fact that you see on someone's eye, and I, you know, not divided skill-wise. I mean, you'll have great guys in every camp. two years ago. the amount of shots that he landed, the amount of shots that he landed, the amount knock out Jacare. I have to be more accurate at 70. A lot of guys don't do that. Everybody's using it. is just coming after him. If you haven't seen that fight

21:51 When he was out, and then boom! How is it possible that that didn't take place? I mean, it would still sell like crazy. I mean, guys are like, ah, I'm not getting paid. Like GSP. Yeah. He came back for a huge money fight and that's if it would only be like a title fight. That's increasingly what's happening these days. I mean, guys are like, I'm not getting paid. Like GSP.

23:00 stuff. Won the title Come back up, choke the champ to sleep and say, nah, I'm good. I mean, it could certainly happen. It would certainly sell, but They would have to do some sort of a catchweight. You know, like, Nate is a big, long guy. in that one-shot mode. Rory and who else? Yeah, totally. What does it say? Oh, look. Yeah, it was. I think, maybe his finest fight.

26:13 He's a nice guy. To me, the worst thing that ever happened to BJ Penn Yeah. He fought Rodrigo, too. are particularly hard to watch. He was a monster. and they said, we're trying to stand on this exercise ball, and we're trying and trying and falling and falling, I mean, he might still be champion. It's insane. Yeah. Oh, the Gomi fight is awesome. Yeah. That used to be, man. Sure. Yeah, man. Yeah. Super Bra balls and Hawaii used to be a really fertile ground for him. I mean, I used to be been

29:27 Egan Inouye got Mayhem in a crazy Kimura. That's right. We trained together. And funky and crazy. Mayhem's finest performance was. There are certain guys who wonder sometimes. A lot of the guys that trained with him. was the best lightweight and they fought in strike force You could make good money fighting for Icon Sports in Hawaii. But it kept him off the radar of a lot of U.S. fans.

32:09 At the time, he had just knocked out Josh Thompson. beat Mishima over in Pride, lost to Joachim Hansen. Yeah, I remember that. Oh, the best. And then Strikeforce became the spot where you had the Gilbert-Josh-Thompson wars. Yeah. I thought Strikeforce was great. and see the fucking brawl But I mean, chaos him, flatlines him. came from Bellator. Yep. He comes over to UFC

34:49 was one of donald's best fights when you think about what eddie went through when you go cowboy Boom, and he gets up and keeps fighting. Because he's just so, like, throwing it all to the wind. And it was one of the rare fights that 100% lived up to the hype. Yeah. Went from Japan to Bellator Yes. depending upon who wins that fight. Doesn't work. 100%.

37:09 they say as much as how they say it and I have to say Rory McDonald when he came in I went this guy The question to me is can he handle the takedown? And it kind of made Daly hesitate. And now you're getting strangled. And I'd like to see him back in the UFC for selfish reasons. 155 and 170. for several months, you know, where he can't do You can go through your prime waiting for that guy to come back from surgery.

39:26 Yeah. That was the thing about boxing. We ended up chatting a little bit. He does the boxing for Showtime. He's there. marquee division with great fighters in it he's like the reason tyson stands out to us. But generally, it's not that good. Usually, 47 is the marquee division with great fighters in it. Tony Tucker, remember him? Yeah. Mills Lane was a referee.

41:11 Yeah. He makes you cough? Project more, you know? You're trying to. I don't think so. It's like a little battle of having another commentator across from you. We're good, bro. Then you have Tony Ferguson, who's a motherfucker, who's the interim champion. But they want to do fucking tickets Did you say that on Twitter about this? It's witty. That was pretty funny.

43:11 was uh there's a documentary about bobby fisher called bobby fisher against the world and whether what you have in front of you is because you fight. have enough money that he doesn't care about that certainly possible but there's no sport there's no I mean, it might be 20 years from now, but to see him... I mean, he might just go through a phase, People are going to be tired of spending $70 on a pay-per-view to watch him take on a great guy and fall short.

45:37 I'm taking the devil's advocate position, Tony. Just because he's got a problem Because we all have And if there was I want him to be successful He's always going to have that power. My thought was Rampage? Quentin Rampage Jackson. That was when Spike first had the UFC. No, nobody knew who he was. We were having a good fucking time, though. Fabiano Eha.

48:11 And he goes, I'm Rampage. And then I got an Armbar on him, and he lifted me up to the ceiling with one arm and just eroded my ass. No big deal. I've been slammed before. And that was it. Marvin Eastman in one of his first fights? history this sport has now when you think about So in between UFC fights, because they didn't have that many, That's where I fought the first time.

50:11 Weighing in on a bathroom scale. The doctor's test was like, i believe so from uh team ng team next generation remember him yeah i do yeah that was a solid team Took his own life. Olden World Connelly. Because I had seen Jeremy Williams. And I remember thinking at the time, that's that's like it wasn't a grappling and when I went to Japan for Fight Quest,

52:25 well it isn't in any combat sport to get back at people that's so unique Yeah. And he can't do it anymore There was none of that Self-deprecating too. and we're, well, now I'm good. Something along those lines. Whether or not we do an interview is a production call, 100%. It doesn't matter who the fighter is They can go off crazy. say whatever oh you guys are always

55:02 what I'm trying to do me and stand right so that's where the camera shot is you know I'm not right And the last card hadn't had any black fighters. And you point to your shoes when you're- I'll read it. That's not what I was doing. Well, the thing to me, too, is when I left Bellator, when it came out, whatever it was, the 26th, from you was when I left Bell for the first time.

57:16 Like, you take good paths, you know, when you describe things. You have to do it even if you love the referee. And Big John walks up to him and goes, and he was mic'd so I could hear it. that wasn't bad. When a referee does something like that, I'm trying to think about what could possibly the actual law they make use of the replay, Oh, good. That's the only way it could really work.

1:00:00 When a referee stops a fight, it's his judgment as to whether or not intelligently defending yourself is the case. He's allowed to do that. I mean, what you said is perfect. See if you can find it, Jamie. as I'm going along, but 10 point must system, meaning 10 or less, and we have 30-25, 30-25, and 30-24 That would be my guess. It's got to be one-sided.

1:02:22 We talked about that The people I was with turned to me and they said, I mean, if he did turn that fight around, He wasn't able to uncork, and he was just under assault also under assault there's a difference between a guy who can knock you out and a guy who's naturally heavy-handed everything So if you're a guy that kind of guy, maybe he wins it last 30 seconds of the last round.

1:04:11 Both of those. Well, he knew how to negate that. It's so much more exhausting to constantly moving back. and then the bigger cage that big ass cage real little ones like smaller than this room whenever i trained it was always never more Like Lionheart and shit? We show fights in the same arenas to go back in, but there's never a time where you can press someone up against the cage

1:06:28 It's a factor in your backward movement. That's true. And you would fight in the middle of it. Yep, he did. Woo! Yeah. And they're making a big deal out of it Yep Old-school lumberjack man. Yeah, man Like Bellator kickboxing? really cool if you've ever seen it before. and they latch it in and then MMA starts. Yeah. The idea that you could just fall right through the ring and there's nothing there to catch

1:09:43 You're not them anymore, bro. I like round too. Yeah. I have no idea. I think at one point they were thinking about using the network name. Yeah. which doesn't roll off the tongue exactly. Hmm. But not the HBO boxing champion, though. Yeah, I mean they tried that. Yeah. Just the way MMA works, that was never going to fly. It's Donald Trump with the Wham-A-Bell.

1:12:17 Dude, that's hilarious. became of Fedor Emelianenko's WAMA strong in the fact of the UFC being the now that falls in line right with And they go, hey, so where are you coming from? They just have no idea what you are talking about. I need a Q-tip. He used to have the XFL. But didn't Donald Trump have something to do with the XFL? He's a character. One of the camera guys in Bellator is a guy named Bubba Dean who worked for-

1:14:52 He got all his teeth knocked out by Stone Cold Steve Austin while doing a shoot. Remember when Vince blew his quad out? And he's selling the whole thing. That's the most jacked 70-year-old of all time. I think at that age it's like anti-aging. Fuck it. You're just watching him. And you know Gabby weighed in If I could beg of you anything This is something I've talked to people about a lot.

1:17:07 So they would have weight classes, were suggestions. They loved watching Daijiro Matsui get his fucking face beat in. unbelievable mismatches. They featured the lighter guys, and I don't remember in Bushido any fights. I was like, oh because they just didn't pull that in Bushido. They featured the lighter guys and I don't remember It was either God damn it.

1:18:48 He was kind of a silly guy, but a little out of his element. Yeah. way. He could be doing both of them, sitting there. Like, I want to give them a position. like everybody's flow. You know. Hey, what the fuck? I worked with him in boxing at PBC. we were in Turin, Italy. don't say anything my mom knows. My mom knows when someone's Oh, look at that. That's how you have to think about it.

1:23:27 why are you here? Very versatile. and there's a right hand, we have to fill in a lot more of that You just get a feeling for that, It's a product Of the way you distribute We certainly can We certainly can well definitely When I make a mistake, man, I'm mad. That's why you're really good. I've just come to accept that weird feeling you know and use it and go alright Whatever that shit feeling is where I flub that word or forgot that guy's name or whatever it is

1:26:10 So I'm out of that loop completely. Like everybody else is at the bar doing whatever and I go to my room and I just download. oh my God. I almost always choose sleep because it's hard. It just takes a lot out of you. I bring stuff with me anywhere. I always bring choose sleep. I almost always choose sleep. But yeah, I just disappear. I just go to my hotel and crash out. Because it's hard.

1:27:18 Super healthy. My family's Greek. That is one of the best fucking things your body can take in. olive you eat. I'm like, what? A buddy of mine makes olive oil in his yard. my my my mom had had cooked for the bellator crew before really they come over to her house and she And I say that with all due sincerity. It's like I always said this before. It makes for an awkward experience for me watching it.

1:29:55 And, yeah, I do the same thing. as you have. More than ten. When it was on ESPN. Jason and I have lived weirdly parallel lives. Yeah. So, to go back a little bit further, I fought Jason in my last pro fight. Yeah. anyway, It'd be great for you. with a reverse heel hook and you know how dangerous those are and jason really held out and and it and do whatever.

1:32:37 This was an MMA fight. And so then I found out, and then I realized they were on different shows. They literally, I'm serious, had no fucking clue. It's like, what kind of weird shenanigans were going on back then? But it's just weird to me that those shows become interesting and popular, and then they it was the Abyss and then you haven't seen because that was weird

1:34:18 Yeah, what's going on? I have no idea. Yeah, and then they found out Steve Carell was doing one Powerful Billie Jean. It's fucking weird. Yeah. I remember when Dave Schultz got killed, what a huge deal that was. weird weird weird but I don't think on Mark Schultz wrestlers they tried that and and usually you know it's funny i had i i used to teach i used to be a

1:36:39 Seventh grade math, algebra. I had a possible side gig. So they started scripting the endings to it. So it sucks, and I wish wrestlers even had more of an outlet than MMA. Like a full, you know, whatever, I'm 14 weight classes right now. or it's the rather the foundation of mma yeah if of MMA. And I think that fight really highlighted it. He was always really good at picking you apart from long range so you were shooting from outside you were shooting from

1:39:53 And he was able to use that explosion, watch what i tell people i said when you watch chuck liddell's three fights against randy you've got to get through here. hackleman train, kempo, karate, all that stuff, in a traditional sense, Yeah. When you see what he did to RDA, he ragdolled Dos Anjos, which is crazy. He started doing, he just had way more output inside the cage.

1:42:50 you're like, He's something special. I don't think there are many answers. Is it going to be Ferguson and Conor get stripped Doesn't matter. Khabib is a guy you have to get his respect. You know, he's got really good composure, very good wrestler. Anything else is the fans are going to be calling for Khabib. That would be huge. It's literally gangster.

1:45:03 Oh, that's right. Food's good. so we're on this ship And we're sitting there And, oh, we hope you enjoy it. I'm not eating. No way. I eat so fast. looks at me goes points to Sean's food and I grabbed it and I drank an entire I didn't think you would Not at all. You almost could. It's crazy, man. the wrestlers in Chechnya or, I don't know, pick up a gun and be a gangster.

1:48:29 roster over there but a lot of it is this fucking mental toughness that he must have picked up some But there's always this wall you've got to get through almost every time. But it was leg kicks that set it up. Like, he shut Henderson down and beat him up. And then it's one of those things where there was a big disparity Ooh, that is the jinx. Yeah.

1:50:21 And he got one and three. a 70. can make the weight yeah make the way make the way yeah i know yeah it's uh boy it's one of the I just think giving people more options is going to—there's some fighters that are just on the cusp where it's just dangerous. You're making it reasonable. And he went, yeah. that was the first time anybody gave a fuck about cruiserweight.

1:52:35 Who else? Like, why not? They've got a certain amount of time. Boxing's had the same problem. Yeah You know, it's hard to fill up the ones you have depending on how you look at it. That's the hard part. This is like some science lab for training fighters You fucking name it, they have it. Your coaches could point out little weird things that you might be doing that you're not aware of.

1:55:47 Here's a little trivia. Justin Gaethje. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. This is what I was told impressive Forrest Griffin told me that I wonder how many people Punched it though I don't know I don't know I believe it Thousands of pounds That's what it's like. No surprise there. young man. You know how much Paris. Wants to try boxing.

1:57:43 wins, breaks the longest running title fight streak, winning title fights in the heavyweight division, It's like, you know, Henry Armstrong was working on a railroad. Yeah. Because they're both, they can both knock you the fuck out he does it in a like the Alistair I've ever seen anybody get hit with in all my years of calling sports. It's crazy. The other thing about Ngannou is the way he trash talks is hilarious.

2:00:01 And Francis goes, Saturday night you go to sleep. There's some even great fighters who said some shit they might have believed at the time. But it didn't work out that way. That was another one where you're like, If he's going to kick your ass, he's going to kick your ass anyway. Put it on him standing up, too, man. He was also particularly effective off of his back with elbows. He was.

2:02:20 Yeah. Now I'm seriously out. No, really. ass fight getting ready for Pan Ams That was insane. Because Jacare literally stuck his... Snapped it. greatest of all time with a broken arm so I trained with him at that point he was like in beast mode And Hojer at some point, I think right there, tells the referee, And he fought everybody, tapped everybody out.

2:04:43 I saw him live in Abu Dhabi, too, in like 2003. The Salo fight was amazing, too. That's where I'm from. Like, don't. That's always. It's interesting that these guys are still around, still coaching MMA fighters, Both Carlson guys. Yeah. So what happens now with Jimmy Smith? Jimmy Smith week. But you fucked up, Bellator. I wish we could say more