Joe Rogan Experience #1001 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 struggle. lot of discipline in that communications department of the White House. Even if you've never been involved in an eclipse, every kid knows don't look at the sun. It doesn't work, folks. There you go. They're just driving up on fields that have just been planted. But then you go too far into the hippie retard gene pool and you get these dopey hippies

2:13 They've decided that they're going to go against the state charter, which says you can't have a tax, an income tax. That's really funny. when we moved out to Idaho, which was the world's greatest move. And their plan, the plan of the governor and the rest of the crew there is, when you need more money, tax Fairfield County, which is home to New Canaan and Greenwich and Darien and Stanford.

3:42 why are we talking about this? And again, great, pay your fair share. You want to be comfortable. You want to be to the point where you don't have to worry about your bills and you can I need to buy a fucking floating city. Yeah. I mean, the people that have accumulated too much wealth, especially when it comes to hedge a balance yeah for sale up in the hamptons now there's a house for sale up in the Hamptons now. There's a house for $175 million.

6:17 Yeah, that's true. And like, not only that, anybody can be on this beach. There it is, right there. Yeah. How big is this house? But look at that picture, though. Oh, the Ford family. If you get to that point where you can entertain the idea of maybe I'll put 10% down and then I'll take the rest in a mortgage, then yeah, you've probably got too much money.

8:30 Jeez, I let my kids watch it. King. Oh, king. So you're on the open Yes Bay. And they have a really good operation up there. And about 45 minutes outside of there to a little place called yes bay and they by the time you threw it on the ice? Are you worried about it? But do I think we're all going to, you know, the polar bears are dying off tomorrow? No, but I don't know. God bless everybody with

10:37 But then you can't bring the polar bear back to the United States. You know what? said you know the polar bear population grow so you know that one side will latch on and say see But I think it's a beautiful state. When you look at the map, you're like, hey. short-sighted vision on the part of the Russians Yeah. they're they're all three of them uh are in elementary school so their school starts tomorrow

13:15 For a couple of days. Yeah. Have a good time. then my wife said it's going to be my fault and it's on my head. a wonderful place family owned it's it's not a fancy place at all but it's a great little spot that gets right next to this guy who's sitting there But it's also, you know, you talk about how things change around the planet and the salmon Hard right is it's a cycle.

15:34 A little bit. Really? You have to be smart. And then Bill Nye kind of got flustered, and he got a little confrontational, defensive. does is he publicizes gender. Do you see that? No, I saw that. And so he's got these songs about, you know, like what that lady singing that song like, hey, this is fucking terrible. why he does it because it's a base of of uh it's an audience that he knows is going to stick with

19:25 But there's a weird thing about people that are a part of science, where their own egos and their own need for positive affirmation sort of supersede any critical thinking. the and you can have uh truths that that collide with each other and don't it don't necessarily or the generation of whatever we want to call them nowadays, because I know a lot of good kids that

21:21 That used to be the whole concept about science is that test theories and come up with what works and? goes into the ocean. But there's a lot of other shit going on It was things that you could do, the community could do. But if you bring it back down to those little things, like you were maybe implying, then I think we're better off. It's existed for a long time.

24:17 So what's the holdup? Hearst. Him and Harry Anslinger and what they did is they organized an actual campaign against hemp as a commodity by demonizing this thing that they called marijuana, which wasn't even the name of cannabis at the time. I wonder what he did to Orson Welles. People are like, why are they talking about Citizen Kane? RKO. No, I did not.

26:11 That's odd. Looking over there. Which I guess, no big deal. Or even worse, you should drop your shoulder a little bit when you do that. So, speaking of Citizen Kane and Orson Welles and conspiracies, Yeah. the headline doesn't necessarily actually match once you get into the body of the story. agency, had some concerns over the idea that perhaps Cuba was behind the assassination,

28:35 and, you know, could he have made that shot? And I think that he, in his mind, in his mind that's what he was going to do at the time or not. So, you know, is there still a They knew what to do Because at that time, in particular, they didn't do anything, the Cubans didn't do anything And I will say the one thing that I think there was something else to was the MLK issue of Martin Luther King assassination.

31:44 Is it likely? and now after they've, you know, research has seemed to work fairly well, right in line with you. There's no wind. Not only that, it's not that far a shot. How far is it? So the idea that he couldn't make that shot, he's a bad shot, that is so fucking stupid. And the Dallas police, by the way, were tremendous during the Carcano, same rifle, and

34:16 Right, right, right. on something that's not sturdy underneath But here's the thing. If the CIA was involved, it's not you. You weren't there in 1962. Now. is hanging off a tree, somebody associated with it I'm not discounting it. At a hundred yards a hard drive. You must have hit it on the edge That's crazy again. No, she no wind. Of course. He could good light. Did he though? Who did he that's right?

37:54 Especially if they thought like this crazy fuck Well, that infamous video where he's banging his shoe down on the table, we will bury you. You go back to 1940s and the Russians were spending a lot of time and effort and money They've always been again, and we by the way have been engaged doing that with them what that's what I hear It fucking never looks like that.

39:38 second. And the problem is, there's people that have never shot guns, and they go? It's gotta be. I understand why you're fascinated by it. Yes. Before you form your opinion, right? And everybody's so siloed nowadays. The magic bullet path. it ricocheted inside of his skull and came out his eye yeah you can't i mean again you can't Sometimes bad shit happens, and it's just as simple as it seems.

42:40 one bullet right right so that was the the thought behind it. But the Zapruder film was the one that got people weirded out by it. That's entirely possible. that he wasn't quite sure what that was all about, and he'd seen a couple of people back there. on site. And then even witnesses. When someone right. You get five different versions from five different people.

45:26 Is it really? They haven't bottomed that one out yet. those trees and That's it? It was late in the year. It's nighttime, and you know Good luck finding him. How are you going to locate him? and then be found on this sandbar. I wonder if you spent that money slowly. how long would it take before you get busted? Parents come in his room, he's got a 50-inch TV. What the fuck's going on here? You don't even have a job, you little kid. Pedal my way to California. Parents come in his room.

48:36 The kid was with his family, and he reported finding it immediately. Right. That's a weird story that DB Cooper's a weird one because a lot of family members and then went out and did that crime. and most of the crew off of there. Anyway, I sound like a D.B. Cooper. But they're not really sure because the door came down. Yeah, dipping the pigs, the bullets in pig's blood.

51:25 Just stop. Future idiots. I just think people always say, well, this will be a course correction, and we're going to go back to having really responsible. The way you fight it is with a peaceful protest like just happened in Boston now words some by some folks are viewed as violence words aren't violence i don't think And yes, you guys, you shouldn't be here.

54:39 yes and then uh political process yeah right, you know, work through the political system as dysfunctional as it may be. You're right. No, it's not. They're not protesting against police. I didn't... who would imagine? I didn't vote for her. was i i you know state uh elections important you know those sort of and that's fine i but it it There's no doubt about that.

57:44 They shut it down, didn't they? Here, let me put it in my pants. ability right now again i wasn't a fan necessarily but i you know again you just want whichever Then he just, Partying with Bill Clinton. Yeah. But he was essentially saying, well, we have to uphold the decision of the court. as usual. Well, you got that. Washington, but the communications

1:01:02 She's just willing to do what Trump says? where you know the wheels aren't going to stay on, But as a guy who's been in the intelligence community for so many years and you're, you know, stepping back. Whoever's in the administration, they're going to prioritize their national security concerns. Your tasking comes out of that. And then you just march on and do your

1:03:14 You know, there were people that weren't happy with Obama. It seems like that position also gets bigger and bigger. Council of elders. No, no. So, yeah, you're right. You've got these countries that have been around for thousands and thousands of years. understanding that we needed to get our hands on everything west of the Mississippi. You're absolutely right.

1:06:20 You're not alone. I wonder how much there's gonna, men, something that develops character. and realizing that they weren't keeping score because they didn't want to upset anybody's You know what I mean? But he plays other sports, too. realize the parents were within earshot. And I said, well, look, you know, Scoot, do you want They take away from it that you're kind of bullshitting them.

1:09:17 It is not you. You are an individual that will hopefully learn from all of your endeavors, That we give so many kids today The guys that stand there, everybody's seen them, right? I mean, say one of my and then one of my boys, you know, they play basketball and they enjoy it, but it's not their primary activity right now. You are happy playing, and you could be there, but they put in the effort you are happy playing and you could you

1:12:18 you come back the next day and you have another rousing debate in that class. It doesn't really You do difficult things to understand your boundaries, to understand your limitations, At some point, they're going to have to talk, right? that. Are you saying interrogation training like an agent gets interrogated? It's like, you try to avoid talking. their parameters are,

1:14:59 What are you going to say that's not going to put anything in jeopardy, anybody's lives or any Right. through all of this. It's like everything else. You do your homework ahead of time and God forbid there's going to be severe penalties and that there's going to be severe penalties obviously, right? And I don't want to revisit that. And, you know, the left did a very fine

1:17:31 They don't, you know, despite the fact that they did for a while, You're comfortable. They're feeding you get yourself to a nice, happy spot. You're comfortable. But you know what? You know this guy has some information. whatever. Because of waterboarding? Is there a fourth world? person? Who are his associates? Who else have we picked up? And what have they said up to this point? Do you have anything like that, that you can walk into?

1:20:37 Your Siri is, you got to shut that off, man. I hate to break it to you Google, but you can listen right now on YouTube I'm telling you you changes everything America's awesome Oh yeah It seems like it wouldn't work Trust me. It seems like I'm joking around. constraints on what can and can't be done. Give me a stethoscope. Sort of the 70s hustle. And then if, you know.

1:23:47 Plus also, it would have been a much happier facility. I was like, God, I can't even concentrate enough to read a boxing magazine. I literally could not read. I was like, God, I can't even in 2001 or whatever it was, I'm sorry. See, it's those after effects that just, 5-HTP actually converts to serotonin in your brain. Well, if you're really smart, you actually take L-tryptophan and 5-HTP

1:25:24 A nice turkey club while you're on the ecstasy. Yeah. Listen, bring this information back. They don't know. They're not going to die. We're good. Like, you just got a little issue with this guy talking. I think right now people are losing their minds Well, they definitely did. I don't want to think about it. It's exhausting. And you say, What do you think is the worst case scenario right now?

1:28:49 But what I'm talking about is the time since the election. You know, the markets showed this But tax cuts, not so much. I could see him doing it. I could see Kim Jong-un. we've got to worry about. But I think He was. People forget. People think, you know, he's such an interesting cat now. Yeah. Remember that? Man, that's a good look. That's, man. Halloween, but not for Christmas.

1:31:28 Why do you choose to do that? I do cling to it. even the possibility kids just slip dad a tab if I start to And so I've got a knock on wood. Whoever wins gets the house. You don't want that. You posted something about Idaho, about people that were going up there for the eclipse, you know, the hippies planted field. Yes, our dogs ride in the back of the truck.

1:33:57 want to pet it. And it will hurt the whole time you're dying. uh i was doing about well i know what i was doing because the sheriff told me what i was doing he It's not just Idaho. But anyway. You know what? Just so that I self-flagellate. No, no, you maybe one out of a hundred, you know, and I think with cops starts saying take your hand out take your hand out. His body camera's running and the guy pulls out a weapon and shoots him repeatedly.

1:37:01 I mean, I've seen one of them where a guy pulls over this one man and and the guy was a Vietnam vet, gets out of his car, he's got a rifle, he's yelling at him, get back in the car, put the rifle down, put the gun down, and then the guy starts shooting him. he's thinking about getting home to his family right exactly and that's and there's But it's a really convenient thing for people to say, fuck the police, because you don't get a lot of pushback, especially when something happens.

1:38:57 Shit breaks down really quickly. They don't want conflict. Yeah. You're doing something wrong. And, you know, so just if you're stopped, just. I know it helps that he looks in there and horrible cops and people that are under pressure and they're just not designed for that job in the Crazy. Those anarchists drive me fucking nuts. We don't need laws, man. Shut your fucking mouth.

1:42:01 And you were talking about the idea of privatizing Well, at that time, most of our work was actually for the infrastructure companies, right, because the military is not going to be providing support. would like. So private contractors come in and help with that, or providing support in the movement of dignitaries or whatever it may be. right? So that there was some consistency amongst training and what were the regulations for,

1:44:26 right now doing mostly training missions, training operations and support for the Afghan troops. Betsy DeVos, the education secretary, Very controversial. So if we want this thing to just drag on ad nauseum, you know, we're not right now, we've been in this sort of stalemate situation right over there. But they don't understand what the hell we've been trying to sell them for all these years.

1:47:26 If we decide that that's in our national security interest, then, yes, we need to commit and do it. So maybe the thing that we should have done was go in there, kick the shit out of them like we did in Tora Bora and elsewhere, explain to the remnants of the government, Karzai government, holy shit, they were completely corrupt. And more importantly, the tribal society there doesn't really get this idea of a strong central government.

1:49:17 on the ground? That's one option. There it is right there. In fact, I'm going to support you. And there seemed to be one of the few groups that agency for engaging in that interrogation program and rendition program that had been approved by person. John Kelly certainly is a great guy, McMaster, all these people are solid people you know, logistical support, intel collection support. So will it make us more

1:52:21 Some form of democracy have we ever done that though? mean, have we ever successfully been involved in nation building? I mean, we we supported that revolution and now it's a fucking complete disaster and a terrifying part of the world. You've got like 130 some odd tribes in libya it's another He had renounced nuclear weapons. then after a while, Jesus, this fucking guy, we're going to get him out of there.

1:54:40 His sons were completely. So things happen, and you don't get to pick and choose sometimes. Where did the Viet Cong have to go? They were going to outlast us. Yeah. to think that we somehow are going to solve this? No. So, you know, maybe the answer is just find that point on the curve where you can support an existing government that you can hold your nose and live with.

1:57:48 You know, if you just start from the point of view of saying, And particularly with ISIS, in a presence there, they would see that and they would see an opportunity. I could see elements of the Taliban saying look we just want fucking self-govern, right? Okay, we get it Did you ever imagine a scenario where the United States would support the Taliban because they were at war with Isis?

1:59:22 this evening four thousand more troops i you know he could have said we're going to leave and the people that hate Trump would be up in arms. yeah is that even possible? Crack everywhere. that could ever be done that would give We go through I don't... I mean, I would wonder what would have to take place for this to be a worldwide thing I mean, at the end of the day, Russia's got a GDP equivalent to a mid-sized EU country.

2:02:51 there's been some progress from you know the roman times to today there's obviously been some worldwide There's no Great Depression. I think it was. Bubonic plague in Arizona. Fleas found carrying the infectious disease. Thereing him. Yeah. What is he? Yeah, it is. Bubonic plague in Arizona. But it's not going to be the North Koreans, you know, firing off a missile or whatever.

2:04:16 And that's how the earth tends to reset itself. they have three human cases Well, square I pull that out when I do a TV interview I pull up my pocket square just to get a little Oh, oh. It's fantastic. I've seen it many times. Okay. Sean King. Oh. Yeah, who knows? by things like that. you know, because everyone was mad at her, I don't know how you say that.

2:07:52 Hmm. She decided to give up the civil rights girl. But she Isn't that appropriating? And aren't there I mean, it really doesn't affect you. Yeah. But the cultural appropriation or pretending you're something like look at how many fucking people pretend Oh, look at that. and veteran-owned and women-owned businesses. So the idea was if you had like an Inuit Indian,

2:11:06 So it's an interesting world we live in. Some of them are kind of, you know, marginal. roaming the earth in nomadic fashion and living the life they did before the Europeans came. Right, right. They freeze. I worked on a sheep station. I'm never moving. Because there's too many of them? What? Yeah. I've seen a lot of these massive herds or packs or whatever you call them of kangaroos roaming across the field.

2:14:47 Great little animals, though. Bouncing all over the place. You're always going to have that. interesting place. Every time they introduce a species to try to solve a problem, that species just takes I'm like, listen, the scientists who do the study are shocked. the guy, for him, repairing fences or something in comparison to what it does in Australia, though.

2:17:30 population. I have a buddy who went black bear hunting up there and they could not find black But it's an amazing thing. You see these gigantic, furry, Star Wars-looking things out there. and I came around a corner, and I was with a couple of the rangers, it but now you could hear it it was kind of over there bleeding and and uh they wanted to get it

2:20:01 So they had to get out. put it in the back of the truck, and drive it to the herd. Take it to the zoo. Take it to the zoo. Take it to the But the places, the park system anyway, I think we've talked about that before. I've read a really good book called The Big Burn, if anybody's looking for a book to pick up and read. really, I'm going to read a book about a big forest fire?

2:22:08 a lot of the same things that they do now right cutting lines and and breaks and trying to deprive realize you probably got a start of a fire. You want to get on the weather forecast as well. Weather forecast it end up looking the way it looked and Roosevelt had some real vision oh he a devastating fire. I mean, when you get up in Montana and other parts of Wyoming, you see how quickly, yeah, the environment can bounce back.

2:24:51 They're like the cockroach of the mammal. I would just point the car towards Utah, Idaho, Yeah, give me your iPad. That's a good rule. Even being bored. I was reading something about the power of boredom and how important it is for creativity. That's really interesting. Yeah, you're right. And it's also And it's terrible for his self-esteem. All the dames. All the broads.

2:27:31 So I guess. I mean, they would say that. It's sort of like how black people never had a replacement word It doesn't work. derogatory term for women. I didn't know that. Right, but that's for black people, too. I don't, I don't, does it mean like a derogatory term? Right. Eh. I know. get him a Ferrari. Donald Sterling. Yeah. Stenographer pool? Stenographer pool, yeah.

2:30:15 Wow. again. Wow. Fuck all that. You learned about steno pools, I learned about fuckboys. That's The one with the color in it? Fuck. It's much more fraught with potential That guy's like a spy or something. What is with the guy with the bowler hat? This is a movie. Oh. That guy's like a spy or something. And the bowler hat. Teaching you deadly skills, like how to kill people with a pen?

2:32:23 It's just simply knowing, you know, what would up off the ground. It's just simply knowing what would work. That was Madison? Yeah, pretty sure. Where do you think this is going? We were talking about, what's the end game if you're going to do this It's doing what they feel they can get away with. health. And I don't, I don't say that like, you know, there's a lot of people that are saying

2:34:46 could have visited that site. If somebody sent me a link, you got to see this crazy anti-Trump site. Yeah. There's a trickle-down effect, and it also diminishes the potential for people to trust the office, that. And of course, people are like losing their minds. I can't believe it's a CIA guy you know, the general unwritten understanding is, you know, they're going to be assholes if it becomes

2:37:40 He's incredibly resilient, though. I mean, you could escape. Right. And have some sort of escape route. Well, it's not. and at least, Just stop the tweeting. It's a portal for fun. Again, I get it. I understand that people are excited to have a genuine person who's not a politician in there. I think there's also a real problem from the top down when the commander in chief likes to personally insult people.

2:40:54 If they do that over a period of time and they've been doing that, then people down below think, well, why the fuck? so I think it's and they don't see a real light at the end of the tunnel. and I'm sure very few do very clear about what they wanted to do. And now they've gotten to that point where they've created rein them into some degree. We haven't gotten access still to some facilities

2:44:15 possibly you know because that could happen sooner rather than later and then yeah then you'd like to you're probably better off having someone as crazy as Trump as president, those messages that he, Except Scott Adams. because he talks about these things. He doesn't want to vote for It's pretty fascinating, though. you know it was it was part of a conversation amongst the uh the cabinet but yeah anyway uh

2:47:43 And so they're looking for something. What are we going to get out of this? get, the fewer options you have. We both did. That's part of the program. Cool, man. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Thank I appreciate your insight. I went off on a tangent there. We both did. Bye.