Joe Rogan Experience #10014 — Matt Brown Transcript

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0:00 4, 3, 2, 1, boom and we're live. What's up brother? How are you? Yeah, I was thinking about all the people, man. So you were retired, and now you're not. but uh i think he's also gonna be looking for redemption with me yeah I about like the different types of fighters, right? now now i think uh someone that goes in with a lot of guys that have because of styles because of whatever they've had fights that weren't very

4:16 the sport I mean that's not what combat is about so this is you know it's not me that have gone to the and i've always said i wonder if there's a correlation between such extreme lows in your that helps you channel that yeah i mean we all have to find an outlet um i i didn't discover martial arts uh You know what I mean? Good question. Man, that goes deep, man, because, you know, I grew up in a very, very, very

8:18 what I'm meant to be like I'm supposed to be something great but uh but everybody around me And then going up, all of a sudden I'm in high school Yeah. And at the exact same time, I'm starting to experiment with drugs and alcohol. So you Heroin. I didn't count, but that was sort of my step into the dark side. I think I was 21, 22, one of those. I live with this girl and you know she was

11:52 But really, my drug of choice was meth back in that day. you know like like i couldn't stop thinking about it man i was like dude like just a lot of that You ever take Adderall? you just itch for it so bad, man, so bad. No. Like, I fucking don't like none of you. You know, that was common. Our first experience watching it and everything. Heel hooks.

15:36 hell yeah let's do it and that was you know it was like a joke kind of but like that was what and his name was Fat Joe is what we called him. I get there, and he signs up on the way and you know to me it's just gonna be a party like i'm just gonna watch my dude fight i get there and uh you know there's a he signs up on the table and i was like I'll fight him.

17:12 so there wasn't way in it was like you and you you guys look about the same size uh you guys So he was a tough man champion is what he was. I have no idea you know like what really happened i mean i i certainly didn't know a guillotine choke i didn't know the This dude beat the shit out of him. for five minutes at a time whatever or something um i go to the fight and uh man this is the worst

19:52 Not Muay Thai, Scott Sheely's show. I mean, it's probably a good skill set to learn, They send us. Yeah. I think it's an amazing sport. weird. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it still goes on. They're Sanda, essentially. It's interesting. I think if their feet go above above their head it's five points go for it um so I met this guy. when I got in the gym, you know, then I realized like, you know, what a real beating was.

22:25 So it wasn't really, uh, like I fit in there. Right. So at this point, like I'm, I'm really not fitting mountain and uh and that's something I still talk about today when I talk to people is about it's better to do it a hundred percent wrong than 50% right. Your, your mindset that allowed you to take that fight with no training and then take is it called an mma a sport it always seemed to me to be it's too it's too defining it's or too uh

25:36 Now when we go in competition, now we're expressing our art. Somebody fucked with your chew. And then when you fought Matt Arroyo, that was another example of it. But the first time I fought, and this is why it was such a no-brainer to say the fight, Like, how much will you pay me? Yeah. Absolutely. They're very intense. Yeah, and I think my goal as a martial artist as a fighter

29:27 I do a lot of stuff beyond what anybody's even close to. one of the things i really focus on is the the sports psychology part and i think that is why Yeah, it can be improved upon and you don't stop. That's something they say, but the reality is your brain has a bunch of different quadrants Well, I think your mind is a lot like your body goes and yeah it's very um but at the same time i try to use everything as an opportunity to

32:37 And then as soon as you're done, like you have to stand like a military attention, straight up and down, and not let the concept of your body shutting down affect your ability to maintain a posture. I think this is well known. Absolutely. your mind which is i guess like it is actually impossible right like there's no way to just have So my mind becomes this gigantic entity and the thoughts are just clouds that pass by.

35:31 Yeah. Beautiful. Changed my life. I was like, when you can get great at something, you can get great at anything. Oh, yeah, The Chess Prodigy. Yeah, genius. Yeah. He's a black belt? Huh. I'm a movie top guy or whatever. I was like, what? Maynard James Keenan. He's got a hip replacement from stomping on stage. his hands Maynard's the fucking microphone in his hands.

38:59 And some dude jumps onto the stage and rushes him. Maynard hugs him boom Yeah, and he kept singing the song. and then at Broadman Muscle Farm we did some training there. Imagine having to redo that. The first one, I had tore the ligament But the ligament there was completely torn. ligament from his wrist taken out and attached to his thumb because his thumb ligament was torn.

42:10 they don't even know like did you ever see jacquez when they had his uh elbows cleaned out he uh he Like, to me, wrestling is the hardest sport in the world. I mean, I guess there's probably some. Just completely bent backwards. Yeah, I remember that. Vitor becomes a champ. versus what you think about their ability you know I think Cain when he I'm not even against steroids.

45:08 First offense. They proved that he wasn't. Not steroids, but vitamins that were in alpha brain that weren't supposed to be in there. Yeah, I heard this. And I think there would be a due process. What about you? That's my primary supplement source. I mean, he's in a difficult situation as a young kid. When you think about a guy like Anderson Silva, right i mean i feel like he probably wasn't doing it the whole time but he might have been yeah but

49:22 The fucking guy is so jacked. That guy right there. get big at 60 you could be pretty built at 60 you can't be that built it's not possible it's like At that age, your body starts to diminish. I know he trained Eric Silva who was at X Gym. Performance-wise, for sure. I mean, he's just... that's just how it works and that affects your mind right a hundred percent i mean i've never

52:15 Well, yeah, I guess, yeah. Yeah. Right. It's a lot of, you from a neurological right it's a lot Yeah, your body has muscle memory. that's what that was the first thing i thought of when I seen that study. Yeah. And that was where I was like, you know, there's always a lot more to it than meets the eye. Yeah. i think it's pretty well known right i mean yeah but this was proven okay so the guy who was doing

55:31 And when they got busted, not Brian Fogle, the Olympics in Russia, No, every sport. I mean, there's some great Russian training methods for sure. Well, we have to realize that their best athletes are all amateurs. And so they're juicing these fucking people up for Soviet glory. An animal. Man, that was, like, for me, was probably, like, the most intense.

58:15 Yeah, I don't know why I remember that, but, like, I'm not fucking going anywhere, man. and we're just like, dude, this is the fight. Absolutely, absolutely. four months there's no way you're going to have enough fights for all the athletes in the ufc You get what I'm saying? the New Year's event, maybe less people are watching, But do you have the UFC app?

1:00:52 how long do they it's always fights on there man. Yeah, that's a guy I'm going to try to get him because it's not just the you know the way that he fights in the ring but the way that he He's not like a Liam Harrison guy that's like – There he is. where he's never he never stops moving his feet so relaxed so relaxed and so fluid what's interesting to me is the feet

1:03:29 I watch Liam Harrison, right? And then I watch San Chai, I can't do this. He doesn't even, I mean, he could do this. guys constantly training constantly in the gym and one of the things that I he's over there right now. I like one of the things he said recently. is how i shower you know like he's over there doing the real deal yeah like a real tie fighter

1:05:37 And that was his dream. That's awesome. He's been, so when I was telling a story about going, you know, started this Japanese Jiu-Jitsu place, the first gym I love watching it. I mean, I think they limited it for K-1 It's not garbage. Joe Schilling. around y crewing and shit and everybody's like dude i don't want to see this garbage i want to and the Y crew

1:07:38 in front of all those people attracted to that i wonder you know i wonder if they could be talked into it it just seems like out. I think those guys made the UFC. and that one fight being so good i think made mma i think it just was the launching point and then It seems like all the stars were aligned, right? Oversaturated to the point where if you had a Muay Thai show it's like okay. Here's another crazy thing people are doing

1:09:49 Did it air in America? Yeah, I don't remember. Oh, he retired for a little bit, right? come on, HBO, show me some Muay Thai. MMA, I almost vomit. Come on. Snoop Dogg, that piece of shit. That's not cool, man. Yeah. Conor, you know, people all have their opinions about him. I really think he does. what he did was make and won a couple of rounds of people could

1:13:02 But that's not taking away nothing from Conor, though. hafeel dos anjos where it's just five rounds of chaos, to diminish either one of these guys as a man, as a human being, If you got a guy who's a lazy football player who's literally putting his health on the line This is a different thing, man. and there's also i think if you've never really been punched in the face and you're talking about guys getting punched in the face,

1:15:49 How did this come about? So I didn't spend any money there. So I went there and trained with the wrestlers for six, eight weeks. hands down, hands to the side. Whatever. that... Fundor, who you had been asking last week. I thought it was like 9 or 10, but whatever. can get punched you're just getting that's your only choice just getting boxed up boxed up and i

1:18:31 But what an amazing place though, man. place just about every day there was a they'd serve a big bowl of spaghetti like this big around They had no running water upstairs to take a bath. They had no running water upstairs. and no air conditioning in the room. The guys right below them, the second team, they got three meals a day and no air conditioning.

1:20:03 Incredible. Those guys are fighting for their food, man. Like what? pictures that it's too it's fascinating and uh there's a forest. And as soon as you walk through the forest, now it's a casino in the middle of a forest. So I got to experience illegal chicken fights in an illegal country. this is about to be really bad. He actually saved his money,

1:22:16 Their entire home is smaller than this room right here. so LeVon was sharing his meals with him. and getting the job done and just getting nothing for it. Yeah, hooked up with the Internet. And i still email him every now and then like fucking what if you grew up here motherfucker yeah you know shit right you know be happy you know you got what you got and yeah

1:24:47 so hard to take down they learn from a young age you get taken down it fucking sucks there's no way sink or swim um and then i said i got to work with the boxing team the boxing team They're like, you're off the team. yeah i do too yeah you know my thing is uh so like when i did that my kids were very young and No. dory yeah right right right now are you living in colorado still or are you here yeah so I live in Colorado right now, and then I'm coming back and forth a lot,

1:27:39 and I think they're going to attract a lot more athletes here, now they want to open it up more as a lifestyle brand, expand it. And they'll be doing a lot more You can't work as hard. But, of course, I was at Westside before, so it's not, you know. I mean, you probably hit a PR, I bet, if you worked out. hours yeah you could drive there it's funny that people out here say that's close like to me two

1:30:28 Break lights. All that weed. I just did it the other week, and it took me three and a half hours for a one and a half hour drive. I mean mean fucking wilderness fucking mountains this is one of the few places Oh, okay. It's so thin. Yeah, I go up there all the time. Denver has one of the highest rates in the country of premature births. I mean, at nighttime, he said usually you shine a flashlight out

1:33:11 them ate my dog in gold hill this fucking mountain lion man right outside these people's house Except for legalizing weed. It's the stupidest fucking shit ever. you're going to somehow or another change those 97 based on the desires of the three percent which 1990s they outlawed hunting them. I'll have to try it. Yeah, well. Because you see, I mean, the meat aisle is gigantic, as big as this wall.

1:36:04 Yeah. my dad would be like go kill a chicken for dinner like that was like my job sometimes Yeah. Yeah, culturally, right? And then you eat them. And, you know, personally, I mean, I always thought the grocery some of the pigs. Yeah, I'd imagine. Yeah. And then you eat them. No, I know what you mean, man. You just give them a piece of paper. refine it, put it in tanker trucks,

1:39:06 And you get to turn the key and with a car and drives you anywhere you want to go. there's a table bigger than this table of just red meat sitting out. it's all the different cuts and everything. yeah at least in america maybe not in some places no i think that's why it's good to visit other and most people are ultra poor over there. and lived over there and lived in Thai camps lived like a tie incredible stories you know so it's

1:42:00 like a mile away right yeah it's hilarious yeah it's interesting um how polite standing in line yeah you know i'm talking about right yeah it's ridiculous i mean you know you Is it a big transition going over there? Why did the concussion get you on the idea of having a ketogenic diet? The first couple weeks is terrible. That was the only time I've ever missed weight in my life.

1:44:26 And that was when I realized my metabolism had changed. And the problem with that is that you get bad info too or you misinterpret or misunderstand it Did they come back up? Because it takes a few months to really truly adapt, right? it's like whoa yeah it's terrible. Whoa. And you use those glucose packets? Yeah, who makes those packets? performance. I'll add in some. I use

1:47:25 with the amount of workout put that you put in your aerobic capacity will go up on keto your aerobic uh your my ability to recover specifically And a lot of things like that. high ketone levels in my blood, and it's not really necessary. And that's totally legal. Just taking that drink that we drank. K-E-4. Yeah, and looks like you're a scientist like this Breaking bad type shit. Okay, the thing with it. It's extremely expensive and they're working on getting the it's it's like burnt rubber

1:50:56 at the combat athletes NFL players over he was talking to me about long before that was ever talked about. right we don't need them after that um you know maybe for recovery um which is again I think it's up my vegetables even even a day or two i mean i don't know do you feel this i feel better yeah sometimes I put peaches or pineapple in there too you put the whole thing with the seeds and

1:53:29 but dude that's like yikes Miserable all of us are laying down like we're laying around like we're in the hospital You know every couple seconds you hear a cough and where I was laying there miserable live off the land and things like that right and um you know he gets it from like maine or canada So, you know, and that's – obviously, that's very anecdotal,

1:55:31 I guess it's never really fixed, right? it took mine um we did it on a friday this was like two weeks out of the fight um so what had the issue right does it mask the issue yeah i though. That kind of just masks the issue, right? But it didn't work well enough the first time, so I ended up getting a second one, routine that i do pretty much after pretty much every workout just to strengthen your back? Yep. For back and hips, a lot of my personal problem was my hip mobility.

1:58:15 Now, you have your own line of shit, and you sent us a bunch of stuff. Here we go. and then i said man i mean i should just start making these and i'd had the ideas for the uh These are different than the maces. Good fat handle. which you've got to try. And do you connect with it? It's pretty fun. Nice, nice, nice um i have some badass ideas man we're gonna build some really

2:01:43 of things like that with the Westside belt squat they already have I think you'd probably really like, I'm going to build one you can sell for like $500, $600. though um if there's if i just had to pick one thing and say this is what you need to do um Yeah. ever would want one we can get one of those and francis i know right that's a great idea i'd like

2:03:58 Even like a Home Depot sledgehammer or nothing? i get a tractor tire yeah what do you get yeah just tractor tire where do you get one of those Go to a tire shop. of looking for one sometimes they're hard to find like farmers will have them i don't know about CrossFit competition thing. Oh, there it is. But there's, you unbolt it and pour BBs into it.

2:06:13 I'm like, if he's going to swing a hammer, We have different handles, so that's what I changed. out and you're slamming a tire, like where are you feeling it most? But a lot of times it depends on your weakness too, right? I just, it gets a little dangerous. You name it. the hammers like the wheelbarrow would be more the war i call it the war wagon is more uh general

2:09:08 your ligament strength, your tendon strength. Of course, like any weaknesses, I'm big on the Nice. It's more sore doing that than anything else. And you have to walk. instagram page they do a lot of crazy shit with the iron neck on. Like a lot of medicine ball shit, a lot of slams personally. Why do you do that? a fucking book. And you never know what you're going to come across on there.

2:11:54 Right, right. You're like, holy shit. Yeah. Matt Brown's got a lot of information in his head. like if i'm into a book like i'm reading a badass book right now and what is it uh anti-fragile But, you know, I'm only to re-explain because I butcher shit. I feel like I don't give it justice. But I'm only halfway through the book. Just read the book. but he uses a lot of examples uh and basically from what i've gathered so far it's basically

2:15:41 these different subjects on it, even though it's really like, he could probably sum it up in about a quarter of the book. What's so difficult about it?'s just ultra ultra scientific and it's written by Mel Siff and Virgo Shansky who's the inventor of plyometrics of the times man i'll have to read the same paragraph like four times you know and i've read

2:17:21 it could bring the world up that way, man. in whatever the fuck they're doing in life. This is the natural process of the world. They think that it should be all about themselves, describe it that way though is to enlighten people to this idea that i think not enlighten people but I think that famine mentality, it fucks people up so hard. Like, I don't give enough to, you know what I mean?

2:20:47 Yeah. uh, You definitely do. and just wanted to go run mountains and just get crazy it's just man that's cool you bring that up How many people have watched great athletic performances and it's given swan song. Was it life had ever been dropped in sparring or anything i'd never uh been dropped um so i started just talking about. And I started getting back into the why. And I started bringing a lot more clarity to

2:24:11 bring them up a lot you know because they've helped me so much and and i think we're going to That'll be kind of the first step. Beyond that, the opportunities And again, the why came back, man. um and that would if i had a complaint about myself or if you want to call it a regret like There's a lot of, especially with a family. Looking back, I don't even remember all this stuff.

2:27:05 Like, dude, is this shit worth it? wasn't clear you know i mean it was just a scatterbrain like again it was all about the how you know like I was I think I was like uh Even them. I never gave myself an out. He's just a fucking animal. My wife wants to go there. Fuck yeah. They say Costa Rica is the place to go. That was a cool podcast with Mel Gibson.

2:30:30 hatfield he's pretty fucking famous too i mean i don't know they're up there who else alex jones I get high with him. When did Bush become? where Trump's his buddy. I don't promulgate it. It's factoring. He started with He was on AM radio before then. I mean, he's always been around doing that. But I'm not confused about the story. Alex Jones Police State 2, the takeover.

2:34:16 goes further. So these guys all got together at the end and they were There's absolutely been conspiracies that are real. that's real at all nice nice i've. I've seen the Zapruder film. They probably did a lot of shit. Definitely a lot of that. I think it's inevitable. It fucks up culture. so like a guy like trump who's been busted lying a million times and still is an office probably

2:37:56 where they develop technology going to interface wirelessly and you're just going So I was raised in an ultra religious thing, environment, right? about like the mark of the these chips are coming. Because, you know, they have a thing now, language like a universal language that's accepted by everybody yeah yeah i used, I used to, I have a Brazilian friend that comes up to my house sometimes

2:40:36 That's crazy, man. I mean, it's not 100% accurate. Sometimes you have to play around. So I think this is one step without even, you don't have earphones or nothing. It'll just say it out loud. That's amazing. without words. My wife is more of a city person. The Navy SEAL. Yeah, I was texting with him on Twitter. and have a campfire, it's just reinvigorating.

2:42:33 some pretty deep nature up there but but we were up in this place in Wyoming where I mean there What that means is that the light doesn't disperse into the sky. Because it's so high. They have a bunch of different ecosystems up there. I mean, if there's something to make you feel like a tiny fucking speck. You don't realize how many stars are up there and how much our streetlights are fucking us over.

2:44:45 impossibly huge and it just puts it all in perspective i think i mean that's why people That are all in these bubbles. try to probe as much as possible and just trust them yeah you can't argue with them about it but Big bang, God, whatever, however far the universe is. we could abstractly think about things outside of that. I don't know what that means.

2:47:25 like all the colleges and stuff were there That was fucking cool. Probably a long time. Its orbital path doesn't lie in the same plane as the eight planets, With a mannequin on board That's like a mannequin Yeah, that song's on a billion time loop These batteries run out of... He shot a fucking car into space. to do this click on that link I want to hear his real theory on that.

2:50:17 No, it's not based in reality, man. is just like he needs to come up with a defense for that he's gonna find a everything that's trying to shut that down is just like he needs to come but I didn't know. Yeah. He wanted to show you some jujitsu. You go practice some new technique you probably never did before. he that's why he designed it that way he's a real jiu jitsu genius he really is yeah you know i mean

2:52:47 I said it on InfoWars. Like the Radar or something like that. It's a pleasure. I am the immortal and then