Joe Rogan Experience #10018 — Pat Miletich Transcript

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0:00 3, 2, 1. I love it. like you are one of the real pioneers of MMA. You've been around. Who was 270 pounds at the time. Ragdolled him for basically the whole first round. Yeah, that was an interesting fight because I totally disagree with that stoppage. So that's what they felt. That might be the worst Mike Tyson impression I've ever heard. I'm going to let that go, though.

2:44 So think of how stressful it is to train for a fight, stay healthy, try and pay your bills, do all the You know, that was his rebuttal at the end of it. Right. He ended up winning the fight. when coleman was in his prime he was all about head butts and we fought maurice and he took What have I learned? They just wanted to stand up. They didn't want to go to the ground.

6:04 He can do everything. Yeah, there's a few guys that can still pull it off. It's so different. Woodley kept his title. Right. paid what they get paid I think if you the promoters at different organ from when there was really, really bad decisions, you know, when I was working with Michael Chiavello especially, we were brutal on the athletic commissions.

8:48 guys a decision, a loss or a win. And that's 50% of their money. And that's crazy. and I think it's a very difficult thing to score, doing like what is he doing the guy was going for kimura what is he doing yeah what is he doing Could you tell me what a triangle choke is? hilarious you probably had a like a transparent grin like you couldn't hold it back you know

11:01 There's so many good coaches that would be great judges. You're like, what in the fuck yeah like one person saw this completely wrong and the Let's watch the round. Sit down with me I just don't like the win bonus, man. either doing something illegal or if you're not engaging. And I think, again, it's guys who don't understand. Yeah, they're battling.

13:32 A lot of the guys going in there with big fat guts and they just. That's not an excuse. Right, right. Like, that's a controversial thing. and i and tim gets up and he's like, what the – doing a great acting job. I go, all right, Herb. Yeah. So the doctor that did it was a good friend of mine, orthopedic guy, who I trained for many years. Tim's a giant.

16:08 Yeah. That thing's hanging down here and everything else. It was right on the cup. Look at that. Right. You're shoving into his sternum. Then you've got like barbs. You're shoving into his sternum. and then I started in the PKC style originally, Yeah, with the silk pants and all the bullshit. Right, so the karate guys could survive and do pretty well.

19:03 it was legal to punch in the face so it was great for learning dexterity of the legs. Yeah. eye. That was Arthur Mariano Souza. come up and we'd just train hard, right? And you're always taking your weight off that leg off the cross. And he goes, patch, you know, with the Brazilian accent. He's likeced and went and he goes patch you know with the And they, because of gambling and because they had all those fights,

21:48 You couldn't meet any nicer people who would completely wreck you. And I found him out of sheer luck. Again, like we were saying about headbutts, these elements are very effective. I'm like, if you can have a basketball game in a basketball court, why can't you back up again. True. You know, if a good grappler by keeping one side pressed up against a cage.

24:17 But it's a lot better for people at home watching and for the live crowd. It's the ropes were loose and he gets clipped career up. But he was the scariest boxer that I have ever That was when Norris was fighting Simon Brown. Oh, wow. He doesn't care. He's knocking the shit out of all these three-time world champs and they go you and I think it's great.

26:47 Yeah, they're fighting every week. Right. Right. Yeah, you just become more accustomed to it and then you become more relaxed. Then nighttime was, you know, more high speed, hard takedowns. Right. He was one of the best martial artists I've ever seen. It was, I think, 92 people, and I thought, you know, it's pretty impressive. Yeah, I guess they were the first.

29:47 Yeah. Yeah. You know, he's pretty wise to that. Yeah, stroke. Vioxx and Celebrex. Yeah. It was similar to what I guess Ken had to go through in Japan. you have all these different gyms you could sort of model after. Here's how they do their recovery work. to spar 12 rounds with a world-class boxer and hang, you know, hang and go an hour straight with

32:45 explain grappling and wrestling personality, you got to coach everybody when you first started doing it, you were still I had to kind of figure out everybody's body was different, how to find that balance between aerobic and anaerobic endurance. Right. Now, did you have anything specific that you would do in between camps? You know, there was just guys that.

35:36 he hit that far side arm bar on george saint pierre that is a very technical move right and And you sort of just forget, like, that Matt was the blueprint. Yeah. I've got bronchitis at the time, which made it even worse. He's so fucking strong, I couldn't believe it. It is real. He goes, I don't care what you got. I ran him backwards and ran him as hard as I could ass first into the wall.

38:32 me of that again he goes fuck you he goes don't ever say that again never that was like the one got to think 1993 it all starts and then from then on it's been sort of this learning experience Take the leg in the head, go, leg in the head, go, or no, nobody wants to get stuck in that And he had lost two or three fights in a row in the room, take off his fatigues from hunting,

40:46 when I got kicked out of my weight division, So in my contract, it said that I had an automatic rematch clause, right? and Steve Rusk is there that day and Rusk was a great Greco guy and now it's Get the fuck off the mat. top guys that go in competitions. Dave was a tough guy. I don't want any part of you ever again. It makes you wonder, what would it be like to grapple Carellon when he

44:00 something i'm not sure i'm not sure but they were like five five right and you know you see him he there he is there's corellon in his prime. Picking up a massive man. When you see some of the shit that he would do, like some of his kettlebell workouts and shield Oh, really? old leather stuff and i at the time never seen any of this stuff i didn't know anything about it

46:25 Yeah, serpentine inside of them. one of the first I got on the phone, and I turned around, and he was gone. And he goes, I heard you met a friend of mine. Dear God, I don't remember. I've been hitting the head so much. I don't remember. Yeah, 90s. Well, what is a concussion? All that hard sparring? Nope. Oh, sounds like fun. And I was working my way backwards out the front door and finally snuck out of the headlock,

49:16 And this dude goes, yeah, like I was going to go down. Dogs work. They don't give a shit. It was all German Shepherds. He goes, I can trust a Shepherd. always loved to have males and i had a stalker for three years who was a and rip somebody's throat out in a heartbeat. his mouth right and he really got pissed off at me i was testing him so at that point i'm like well

52:07 I'm like, maybe, maybe you did. I have a Regency Mastiff. He's had some years under him. His dad was an attack dog on Fear Factor. Nick Nolte was the bad guy. Yeah, it seems like they should, right? Look at that. there's probably a lot of dogs named curly it's all right it doesn't matter but um the dog was They would just go flying and crash to the ground.

55:07 One when they had to ride bulls. hold of a bone through the suit they can break a bone yeah anyway yeah anyway great dogs you had There was two episodes No one got hurt. Broken bones don't mean anything to them. Right. of the bull, and you're right there. recruited by a guy that was an All-American at Iowa State, So we would go over there, and the first guy that could grab the bull's head would win the money, would put money in the pot, right?

58:04 to jump up on their back legs and try and smash us. And then we'd sidest rams and we'd smack them in the forehead, palm them in the forehead to get them to jump up on their back legs and try and smash us. We were just having fun. and I said, you should see what Squirrel's doing to him. but i had a guy a biker was at the urinal and i walked in the bathroom and he goes

1:00:11 It was a big rope chain necklace that my girlfriend at the time had bought for me. That's what we did for fun. He'd have to go get those guys out of jail. Back in those days, some very, very scary wrestlers. And you see it all the time in fighting, right? And beat Kale Sanderson when Yoel was 18 years old, right? You're like, holy shit. Okay. In the Cuban wrestling system and how intense it was.

1:02:56 three meals a day. The other guys would get two. i mean cubans have un-fucking-believable genetics. or form should be a champion or upper echelon and you got in an argument with him Yeah, there's a lot of those guys, right? Yeah, well, you'd learn that in jiu-jitsu, too. Because they really are. Like these guys who are just really smart or into the technique and into the fact that.

1:05:01 Especially now with the leg lock game. They get a couple steps in on you. A lot of those guys that were the catch-as-catch can and the combo. Shamrock. No. and I was sitting next to Kurt Angle, I thought it was great, too. basically like pancreation style slaps, like You'd have to let go of the lock. I find Eddie... I just always would watch him go,

1:07:33 What are you doing? This is what it is. No. And my grandma was one of the first people in line to get her money out of the Farmers National Bank in Albee, Iowa. You know what i mean there's real conspiracies and there's real things where people misunderstand the the actual facts right flatter is not one of them no it's just not it's just not i mean there's they there's so many stuff

1:09:32 Right. Like, Yeah. And I was lucky enough to bring my daughter to one of our broadcasts with AXS TV, and Lonnie, he's the So he was teaching my daughter how all that stuff was done, that there's an ice wall outside Antarctica, they were trying to say It takes full images of the Earth, yeah it's real like there's a lot of to think about that's fascinating that's not one

1:12:41 Let me explain things to you, right? NATO's the go-between guy. But the way I looked at it was, when that was going on, funding the Mujahideen was to bankrupt Russia, right? where it's every three seconds they're cutting different angles, Was it like the Tears of Muslims or something like that? Have you had Paranto on your show? But he's a former SEAL.

1:15:01 It's all documented that weapons were being moved. I want to Google it. Do you have t-shirts? Shout out to C.T. Fletcher. But Arsenal Weapons Manufacturing, she exposed the ISIS fighters, took her to their weapons caches, And every one of those places, who showed up to broker the deals? The truth. the minds of other people and has them Off of a lawnmower, right?

1:18:05 So I'd give a speech, then bring him out, and I got to know him a little bit better. The deep state is just, it is a way of doing business, right? shit that's going on. It's some bad stuff. And we just do our best to follow it, educate people. a name later, but I mean, look, we were just talking about this recently, So it was basically a facility that burns anything garbage.

1:20:54 And that's just the way it is. That's a big part of the problem on any planet is it okay to sell your enemy 15 million kilograms of frigging uranium? No, but they sit there and use the excuse, well, there was eight other people that had to sign off on this, right? And that book by Schweitzer talks about it. He goes in detail about stuff yeah I'm sure how's that I'm surprised that's what I

1:22:59 none of this would be uncovered had she won right right we know that right yeah all of this stuff Yeah, there's for sure some dummies in his staff that made some inappropriate meetings and had some, I mean, they definitely had some intentions. they're talking about having meetings with Russians long before right where It's almost like there's too many things to pay attention to.

1:25:00 insane way to put it yeah that is what it's like yeah it does that to your brain when you try to Well, you'll get more now. Go download it. Check it out. So when you started going to, I mean, promoting it here, right here, Conspiracy Farm. Go. Go download it. Because it might be something that I've actually researched. Absolutely. I've always wanted to ask you about the George St. Pierre stuff with UFOs.

1:26:42 Really? Forget about all the gym training. One of the symptoms of head trauma is memory loss issues. Matt Serra scrambled his fucking brain. quarterback quarterback from the bears oh mcmahon yes mcmahon was on the cover sports illustrated you kickboxed, you boxed, you had a lot of MMA fights. Croatians they're all huge like merco steep. Mirko Krokop type characters.

1:29:24 There was a time where someone claimed that you had neck surgery and you didn't. Like a doctor said something about it. Like you couldn't move your hand? And I hit him with like four or five right hands in a row because that's all I could do. You have so much stenosis. So he said, you have to have surgery. You have to have surgery. He's the best athlete to ever come out of Iowa, but he's a genius when it comes to rebuilding the human body. He was the strength and conditioning guy for U.S. Olympic

1:31:57 It happened one other time where this side – and this arm is two inches smaller than this one. Yeah. know long enough when the disc is destroyed and dissolves and then it just all grows together so And he hit me with an uppercut. And everything shut down again. thomas denny fight and just said you know he's not a powerhouse puncher by any means but i can't get

1:33:47 Yeah. happen it does happen wow that's crazy so will your right arm come back to a normal size it's doing commentary for all those years it's one big mess of just fights like i'll remember the Was in fights right Let's take him down. And he looks at me and he goes, yeah. And I go, what did what did i just tell you to do and he goes go out and dance with him and the

1:36:14 to 55, that motherfucker had zero Too small for 70. And the reality of the 55s is that like that's a fucking horrible strain for The weigh-ins were the day of the fight. building a brand new house had a brand new baby and i had to win the fight to have enough money And all I thought about was that water and egg white or scrambled eggs all night, possibly tie them. So my feet wouldn't bend like this. Right. Whoa. And then my calves started

1:39:16 he's around women he's yelling hunt uh bitch bitch bitch bitch right the whole time he's really Oh, my God. friend needs an iv badly and she looks at me and goes oh shit like i look that bad wow my eyes were That was three of those. And so they revived me enough. Bad. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah. Unless it's not physically possible for you to make the weight, like if you're a heavyweight and you want to make lightweight, that's not physically possible.

1:41:44 Right? mouth and i'm done this is it right so every time i fought i thought about that gun in my sock drawer I'll take a guy who's committed and sucks and train him every day because I love his commitment. Yeah, he should have gotten lighter beforehand. You know, with 1FC, they test you. It's with boxing. You know, that was probably the thing that made me so small compared to my brothers.

1:44:07 And so it stunted my growth, most likely. It's just never going to happen, though. Yeah, well, of course. God, a little Italian dude got the hell beat out of him. And Arturo Gotti No, we're live. That was 2000. It doesn't make any sense. And he was also, this is Arturo Gatti when he was really world class too at the top of his game. He got clipped there with a left hook.

1:47:12 because his fights with Mickey Ward were— She was acquitted. I think it was just a Brazil job. To get an understanding, too, of the Brazilian people, you have to read a book called Tigreiro. a book about sasha and erntz semel two russians who had engineering degrees who went to brazil strongmen and all this sort of stuff in the ring. and he goes, I want you to take me and teach me how to do this,

1:50:31 So Sasha Semel became a white guy who killed 33 big cats for ranches, right? and Sasha insulted him in front of the friends. paid him to kill, and that's how he got paid, right? But it's a rare book. There's cannibals everywhere and all kinds of stuff and malaria and everything else. Right. I've never heard of that. that what he had discovered That's him.

1:52:55 Oh. Jesus Christ, that's so crazy. What if they ate the jaguars? I had no idea you could even eat it, but it's apparently a more delicious version of pork. I don't like them. Oh, really? Not that big. Yeah. the Hollywood sign and buy that thing Look at this. They have to dart this fucker every couple years when the collar goes dead. No, the coyotes are ruthless where I live, man.

1:55:33 I saw the cunt jump on the roof of the chicken coop and then jump over the top of the fence. But he's the first and foremost guy, besides one other guy, I think, yeah that they were tricksters and they're basically wolves they're a small wolf miniature And they'd sit on the railing of my porch outside. And that's when I had the mastiff and a shepherd and some other stuff.

1:58:10 just to hunt white tails yeah so the the militich farm is down in southern iowa and my grandma on There's that, too. and caved in the front of the vehicle they'll run and smash your car. And we were going across the lake, and the English River system system is massive and it's endless amounts of islands So he's riding on the back of the moose, and the moose is doing this, trying to get to him.

2:00:27 yeah yeah they fuck people up all the time they run into Duluth Minnesota in downtown and smash I got a couple of whitetail. right that's cool yeah i love it got a hell of a bow uh hunting thing set up in here yeah it's that lives in Iowa, he does that too. Like it's gotten to the point where in bc they've Yeah. I'll fish for, you know, I've fished for shark off a beach before that's another thing that people

2:03:09 No, for mako. I love fishing for barracuda just because they're so aggressive. That's what they are. They're the sea water fish. Oh, yeah muskies are awesome wisconsin because he wanted to musky fish right so he took a job with the lakuta ray indian Do I know him or I know his friend? Yeah. So they, but the guy that was the, he was that casino guy that took me fishing.

2:05:17 I was addicted to fishing. we're not going to use that. That's cheating. That's the bait. put a bobber at the top of the line so you could see the bobber move You have to stay over the top of the fish. They take their time. caught that bass and then the muskies got a hold of it they don't have the musky they just have Yeah, and so the English River system where we used to go, if you catch a pike this long,

2:08:08 No, you're not hoping. It's going right now. this bigger one that's an Indian guide guide he goes It's just a tough, tough world. That's right, Adam Greentree. a lizard that can kill you, Smash you. Yes. You know what I mean? I agree. But there's nothingivores, so they're kind of meant to be hunted in my mind. Yes. Someone brought them there a long time ago.

2:10:35 They have to fly over with helicopters and just gun them down. Okay. You want to bite your hand? Imagine a beaver that can chew down a tree. Did you get lucky? Oh, they do think it's a fish. I like all the sophisticated, intelligent things. Yeah. He's smart. play-by-play then? Is he doing play-by-play and you're fight sport what was it called something like that fight quest fight quest yeah it was yeah he did

2:12:54 I always liked listening to him. And there was like a big hullabaloo, and they wound up keeping him. I've never been a Bjorn Rebny fan. Bjorn Rebny, you know, from that boxing promoter type, you know, whatever it was. King Moe. he, Yeah. Should have changed the name. Yeah, it's just synonymous with tournaments and a guy loses the title and suddenly he's thrown back into a tournament

2:15:27 Everybody's, you know, I love some of those guys. yeah that's the real issue right it's that these guys their bodies have been beaten up for so many When was this? though matt's not ranked he's a legit black belt right right yeah and a stud wrestler yeah and a Okay. But we had gotten done with that. Just to be around these guys. Like, I can't believe this just happened.

2:18:30 Well, they saw a hero too. then the Gracies came back with, when Hoyce tried to regain guard when Matt took his back there was just a bunch of wrestling mixed Especially a gorilla like Matt. No one's ever done it since either, by the way. No, no one's ever choked. he would choke people unconscious. Oh, it's totally illegal, but referees didn't understand it

2:21:02 they would stop the match for a potentially dangerous hold or whatever. Didn't Mark Schultz do that in the Olympics? Remember when Mark fought? Was that Foxcatcher or something? Yeah, he fought Big Daddy Goodrich. I felt like it was one of the worst examples of what Hollywood does, Really, it would be something akin to that. and john herschfeld who you know right john herschfeld goes look you're gonna have maybe

2:23:56 yeah chris albrecht chris albrecht that's it i had a show sold and then they were going to there's so many people they already know that are pitching things. all hours of the night writing concepts for shows, all that sort of stuff. We're going to push the— you're not gonna get in trouble for and. Well, it was mostly almost all bullshit. Like they have confirmation bias, and the way they look at things, they just have this

2:26:48 I mean, they've looked into everything. Like they just figure out a way to cloud seed. And I was never sold on it. about that is of these floors collapsing I don't subscribe to it. Yeah. That's what I think. Right. But who knows? I wanted to talk to you about marathons, from me for years. The guy's now 53 years old, I think, and never gets hurt. what the hell is that? He goes, well, it's a high altitude, a hundred mile race through the Colorado Rockies. And I go, how many days is this supposed to take? And he goes, oh no,

2:29:33 And it was a couple years ago where he sent me a message, and he goes, I'm training for thought before that, I thought if somebody said I'm gluten sensitive or I have allergy to gluten, That was, I mean, I could survive on Motrin, all the pain, everything else. where you're dead he goes soy's gluten yeah yeah wheat and soy so it's all how wait a minute I

2:31:33 He goes, how's your temper been lately? I go, not real good. He goes, your brain's getting In 10 months, though, from not eating that garbage. Get home the next day on Saturday, have no sleep. his life one day and decided to become a badass ultra runner. It just being around those people, they don't show pain. My brain was getting cooked. How often do you do it now?

2:34:27 CrossFit's in there, a bunch of other stuff. I go, I'm here to get back in shape and just grapple and kind of have fun again. Was it last year? mountain and know you got to go over it right at the 40 to 50 mile mark and then 50 to 60 going Whereas other people they look at it like oh no He picked me up at the airport, and we went back up. started sweating i'd never had anxiety attacks before in my life and i'm like what the fuck are

2:37:40 So Michael goes, dude, relax. there's no way that person could run five miles. miles. She beat the second place guy. I don't think she had a pacer. last year when my brother was doing the race like just fall apart just completely yeah just back destroyed all kinds of stuff i had 12 shots of xylocaine in my back to go out and fight. He ran up my body with knees like that you know just a freak but

2:40:33 You're throwing bombs and ducking and getting hit and dealing with it and toughing it up. I did enjoy that. Was that a no time limit? No. We had John Peretti on one of my podcasts, actually. Yeah. I did UFC 12. I remember. Tough motherfucker. i'm real numb to watching people get beat up that's the car mine yeah you know and and uh you know when hughes fought carlos newton after carlos took the title from me and carlos comes out and we were infuriated because he's walking out with

2:44:26 I'm absolutely pumped. He's like, all right. Well, was he kind of half out with the triangle? barely touch Matt's head with my hand and I scraped his hair really fast I'm like get up get up get up that fight i can't remember what he injured but no he couldn't train hard for that fight so he Ah, wow. It's fucking illegal. and Kimbo is now fighting Seth Petruzzelli.

2:47:12 Because we're assuming he's going to take him down and submit him. And a fat friend. I got to think Seth Parch Oh, he's gonna fuck him up You look older there. That was a bad deal, man. get lost and couldn't find his water, but that's one of the hottest places on earth. He was a guy that really wasn't into money. He fought Texas Fighting Championship or something.

2:49:15 Fuck yeah, he was. Yeah, yeah, it's it's probably Gordon Ryan or maybe Gary Tonin or one of those guys And he hurt his knee a long time ago from a rugby accident, like the Donaher Death Squad, what they call. Cyborg's a multiple-time world champion. defend it and you move on and it's this constant cycle of it and then new shit coming out and It just is.

2:52:37 That was his debut at 19 years of age. I was fighting. I'm in my locker room. Yeah. Let's fucking kill these guys. The most brutal fight I've ever seen in my life, though,ri batash and don fry i remember that in cobo arena in detroit way And then you've got Osvaldo Alves, who's an encyclopedia of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, amazing And these guys won't throw in the towel.

2:55:23 And he goes, do you want to continue? That was the most brutal fight I've ever seen. I'm surprised my attention span lasted this long. Yeah, and if they go to chemicalfreebody.com, you would love to. And please, everybody, check out The Conspiracy Farm. Is it on iTunes, on everything? Yeah. He is healing people, veterans with all kinds of open wounds from chemical stuff.

2:56:37 Mark Cuban's Network. We're going to have a blast. It's going to be great fights.