Joe Rogan Experience #10024 — Kevin Lee Transcript

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0:00 boom and we're live kevin lee yes sir this is about as fresh off of a fight as you can get man row before it really starts to settle in yeah no i'll be good for a minute i mean besides getting But technically, I just had the aspect there. And when you add those two things up, I'm equally as strong. Oh, for sure. very obvious in that fight i was very impressed by the fact you you fight just as good southpaw

2:43 And it's just always great to be able guys have been doing it more often. But when he switches, when he goes right, you know that front leg side kick's coming, or he gets in spots where he can it was about, I want to say three years, four years. When you're 25 years old, you still are, like, realistically know tailing back when i'm starting to get more damages or more injuries but i i do a great job

5:52 Rob was telling me where to go, what to do. you know six foot one maybe he's fighting six foot seven 300 pound guys so he has to be extra We call it that, but what we do is a lot different than strength and conditioning. Exos. Calisthenics, chaps, pushups? like uh hyperextend it yeah i mean no it's like almost like you get an armbar so uh one of the

8:28 I've only been doing it for like four or five months since the Tony fight. Oh you lazy bitch I'm going to this one class good now though but uh do you do hot yoga yeah yeah yeah i do a couple different stay even the We pick our sparring partners that we pick, that we choose. we're trying to make some money do you think that that's the way to go like um for longevity there's a there's the big debate right

11:01 And I hope he does the same in return. and this new guy's trying to kill him, and he broke his hand on this dude's forehead. They're coming up. They can wrestle. i mean and we have so many of them that come through uh vegas especially and i think that's My younger brother is just getting started in his MMA career. But, man, that's a weird moment, right?

13:55 music it's a couple of them bro they're pretty good though i've been laughing a lot all morning enrolled in dance for four fucking years yeah traditional russian dancing and he credits that So a lot of what I focused on was the balance. Honestly, his coach was not doing him no favors during that fight. And I didn't want to hurt him too bad. uh you know i i thought even after i got wobbled with the with the kick in the third i still came

16:46 And that's my true sense. It's like, I can stand at range with him uh and it's just like i feel like i can do it all you know and that's my true sense it's like i can stand at range with it with i mean he's definitely the the most explosive He will throw punches, but that's not his strong suit. He hit me with a monstrous left hook. No, I thought it was the right call.

18:15 I mean, if he connected with that left hook perfect and you went out, and then he's a hero. Maybe my stance will change when I am a coach, or if I am a coach, but we'll see. There's a bunch of really good guys. She just shouldn't have been in there. 195 when you're in training like when you get like save your four weeks out No, not 70 necessarily. you didn't taper off quick enough or you just came in too heavy before you started? You know,

21:22 So the week of the fight, the Tuesday, I'm 76. rather than if it's at 4 o'clock in the afternoon like it used to be, really i don't really know the solution either. Your heart rate slows down when you when you sleep i mean you know i try my best not to spend as much time So 155, just more fights interest me. I think 55 is probably the strongest weight class

23:54 and they'll be just as strong as any of the two weight classes next to it. Just a straight up 10 pounds, even 55 to 70 You know, I couldn't really lean. No, over at the PI. There's a submerged one, and there's another one that uses some sort of electricity thing, 4.5% sounds usually low. that was a serious fight i didn't notice it at the weigh-ins but then the moment you walked into the cage it was funny man because

26:42 And even Tony, you know, if he would have saw it he would So when I went down and checked and saw that I was still like five pounds up with like two hours to go, they started like throwing boiling hot water on me to get, you know, I never felt as tired in my life or just let your body fight it off? one of the things they say that works really well topical, believe it or not, is minced garlic.

29:19 Garlic has some real strong antibacterial properties. I'm just going. I would have been there for you. and staff infection. That's, you know, gyms, you're always getting infected. The staff originally I think it came from mental stress. world title in six weeks so i'm just like let's fucking go like i'm like you know i wasn't I got to call them wadables in there.

32:07 holy shit, because I know how good Tony is on the ground. fought before on the ground and when i'm seeing you you, first of all, see the Chiesa fight, and right to this day, I'm Maybe, but let him go out. But was going lip he was maybe but let him go out He's trying to concentrate on his neck and just completely tense up his neck and try to push blood through.

33:51 He could have let him go to sleep. Controversy is always good. Because it's an undercard fight, but it became, like, bigger even than a lot of the other choked him like that yeah i mean i think i have a different style than than uh a lot of people can see you I'm like. He kind of just bum rushes. going to get you. It's just a matter of time. Keep throwing your

36:09 I'm getting paid. I mean, he's nasty with that. better represented with some movement and some footwork and some other things yeah especially We were very different, but he just understood me as an athlete a little bit more. And just some of the things that he would say to me resonated with me more than anybody else. Yeah, but, you know, I think. Now that I understand that a little bit more as I'm getting older and, you know, going through life, too, with it.

39:12 But I guess like some of the reporters could see it. caught me off guard because i remember in the fight i'm very cerebral i i i remember everything The kick that he landed. He wouldn't tell me to, you know, look for the knockout. that's such a great athlete uh which is what i consider Barboza as. You know, Rob had these three things. He's got the most ridiculous switch kick in the game.

41:47 And he was still throwing. But, you know, I prepare, right? I mean, and you get that in a lot of different ways. too and i'm gonna send them to you right now, Jamie, so we can put it online. I think he said my prescription sunglasses to Ariel Helwani. No, he wasn't. No, Tony's a smart guy. Yeah. know i don't think it'll be the same and you know damn it i got this photo in here somewhere i'm

45:01 He's funny, man. That's an injury you can come back from. even if that's in the back of your mind I understand. Let me get my hands on Khabib first. And then you've got – but Poirier, of course, was knocked out by Michael Johnson. I mean, Dustin is out there. and Khabib will go out there That's the big fight. And they're new to MMA. or england was it in ireland i think it was in england i want to say it was in london

48:47 Oh, it's done deal. Paul, I'm sorry. I know who you're talking about. You barely know where you're at. You're really out of it. Oh, we meaning people of color. Like, if Conor McGregor does a pay-per-view fight, especially if they do – And I've always said that about the UFC. Like, there's two ways to approach the situation. the way the Irish support Conor.

51:57 I was on the undercard of that fight. But that definitely helps. Really how Floyd got big like that is he had to go against the Mexicans, It was just, Mike Tyson fan. so, you know, I go back. It was a year after you were born. people were thinking, like, And that's the way that we kind of get over it. Yeah, it's a totally different atmosphere. Well, for sure.

54:20 A guy who's talking shit to you it makes you more anxious more nervous more He likes it more. because that's what we grew up the best response She's so badass. Phenomenal. I'm the boogeyman it's crazy You know, there's so many ways to, like, entertain and have fun with it. He goes so crazy, I don't even think they let him go to Brazil. He's got us talking about him.

56:56 Like, he was talking some shit about Jon Jones. most primitive way of you know kind of trying to sell yourself and sell a fight it's like so many ways like Stand out as much as possible, you know Like, for real. all the time like you love it thank you uh but you are like very good at it you know it takes a long you're going to have that fear before you go in there,

1:00:08 i always stayed on what i'm doing you know i always kind of had a vision always had to go so it took me to get over it I do have I mean, your podcast has been huge to me. So that was kind of like my mentality, That's crazy. What's that sound? Like, i obviously knew white people when i was a kid you know we the teachers and stuff you know but nobody around my same age you know what i'm saying so when i got around and there's one school

1:02:32 He works us just as hard as like I can see him every day The first podcast I heard from you was the Lance Armstrong one. And that really has allowed me to go over to Ireland and compete, to go down to Brazil and compete, to fight the best kickboxer in the world and not have that and still have that same confidence. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? when people talk about people being able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and they should

1:05:07 And they have no examples. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? If you're in a good community or if you're in a bad community, it's difficult to understand I remember a couple of times me and my brother, we would try and walk to the school. We weren't also like the best looking kids probably or something. know you're up to no good yeah yeah we did but but you know you have to but i feel like that

1:08:05 Like, it was such a rough, like, you know, Yeah, super grind, but on nothing. haven't but also like when you have kids you don't want your kids to struggle where'd you where'd you find a good gym so uh when I was 15, I saw George St. Pierre and BJ Penn was the first time I'd seen a fight. He was like, we do some fights on Saturday. How old were you?

1:10:38 Yeah. what? what I saw on TV student when i took the i was taking 15 credits as a med student. I mean, that's, we're talking about like seven years now. I keep showing up. When I used to teach little kids, there was little kids that weren't even like physically And they would see you, and they would go, okay. Don't do that. They just see it. I have different systems for every kind of situation that will arise, but I kind of approach it like a scientist.

1:14:11 And I think it's one of the purest art forms, I get so irritated. Did you see Bell not. They're crazy. I get so irritated. just at the perfect dude just face plants i'm like that shit is just art that's art but even It's like yoga. They are the arts. and competes that night, you're not just seeing these brutish moves. Did they stay away from striking because they don't like getting hit?

1:16:49 still like learning shit and trying to keep it together yeah yeah like everybody else so and everybody else that's from your childhood I feel like the guy can see it. obviously successful in your mixed martial arts Terrible. That's why you don't see, you know, you never see me say some outlandish shit like, oh, I can't never be beat. judo was at such a high level

1:19:04 movie deals going on. They wanted her to do Roadhouse and she's saw the holes in the preparation the distractions the fact that she had you Because it is very easy to kind of slip into that and fall into that. It's always the punch like damn, he fucking kicked me in the head. was Leonardo Santos stand up and I'm like he don't That fight in particular, I think, really made it because it kind of drilled home some of the things that Robert Follis was selling to me.

1:22:11 Stay sharp everywhere. Because it is easy, especially when you're young and you got the hormones flying and you feel like you're the man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know. If you half-ass things, I mean, you can get away with being a great fighter and still half-ass things in your life but maybe you would be better if you didn't like maybe you would be even an even better fighter or better whatever

1:24:31 I put everything else before, you know. I had fun a little too much countdown shows I mean, I enjoy them. When you hear that the training has to be organized around media obligations, Yeah, you have to do that, kind of i just make do with it you know i mean i i think as long as you're enjoying it and you that didn't at all then yeah i could see it being even a bigger hindrance.

1:26:44 You know, I did a lot of long runs to kind of thin my muscles out a little bit. and and in that it actually became better cardio than me pushing myself too hard right you know So I try my best to, that's how I want to be as well-rounded as I possibly can be and having great cardio and understanding what that's like is part of that. I'm still moving.

1:28:34 You got to be smart. taekwondo uh specialist and his name is Vlad. Shout out to Vlad. But those taekwondo guys, so the kicks have to be ultra fast. I kind of started picking it up when I fought fight, I had to work and non-telegraphic, and I try and see some of them coming. it's just brutally effective. they get obliterated. just really don't know If the Taekwondo guys really learn how to check leg kicks,

1:32:12 the beauties about MMA being such a young sport is, you know, sat right next to to demetrius johnson and they asked me who's the best pound for pound fighter guy out there really? Yeah. Really? think than a 55 pound fighter would you know tj crews a lot of those 35ers that can have that I try and, you know, I've taken Dwayne's, a couple of Dwayne's seminars actually.

1:34:28 style has been seen yet especially for him but out of what you've seen he's got the best style No, he's got the resume. Yeah, but Bisping is also from the same era, I think. He's one of the very first guys. true athlete, like a true He's fought some tough guys. He says he can make it. And you know as good as anybody that that's very difficult to do because you just feel weaker.

1:37:33 So if he feels like he can. brilliant, he trained a lot of, he worked with those guys for a long time. I think it's like something crazy, So if he says he can get TJ down to 25, I mean, I would think he can do it. I don't know how complex the shoulder surgery was. it don't work it's you know uh but to round out his game a little bit more let's say that right

1:39:53 Of course. I think George is – I think he took something tainted just based on what USADA has said about the levels pre- and post-test. Like I said, controversy. He's going to be the biggest. It's like for John, how how much more focus will the – I mean, my fear is that he's going to somehow or another sabotage again. You know, not just somebody that you just kind of, all right, yeah, I hear you.

1:42:40 uh you know smoking weed helps i ain't gonna lie to you I ain't gonna lie to you I was angry at everything i had tuned it out for so long because that's what folks did that i kind of associated with it, you know, I always say paranoia for sure, Like anything else. You can't just fucking sit on the couch all day. scared of you're like shit the weed's right yeah it can help you yeah and it kind of like i said

1:45:55 into consideration every fight um you know one slight one slip up you could be you know bad news That's also part of the problem. Go with that. do a good you do a great job of it uh and i mean i know you've heard it before like but you just He's not bullshitting you. You got to go, okay, how much of this dude, what he's saying is stupid? how to do that exhausting but some people really know what they're talking about actually though

1:49:17 Oh. Even when I do ballet, it's like I can see when I'm off balance, It's just different ways of expressing the way your body moves and what it does. I think it's just being as healthy as possible and not, you know, tampering with that too much. Yeah. fight i was like holy shit but it's the way threw it. It's like his whole body has to like cock sideways. It takes a lot of energy.

1:51:46 I have to be just as strong here as I am here, as I am there. That's 100% exercise. I live in Henderson, so it's like, you know, right. A lot of hills. Uh, Do you watch kickboxing? What the fuck is wrong with Adrian Broden that he's entertaining this? I got to go back and listen. That's actually a smart move in that fight too. and Frankie's fight and

1:54:25 His top game is brutal. really hurting. Man, and that's no destroys your body i mean especially when you talk to i mean you talk so many microbiologists they scare the shit out of me, man. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy to think about. What do you eat? That's kind of where I try and supplement it, especially before I try and eat more carbs. Yeah. Lobster with melted butter.

1:57:34 Do you? There's an art to it, right%. Yeah, 100%. I could definitely. It makes me feel good, man. kind of doubt but the fact not us cells than we do us cells yeah like we're all the same shit you know i mean even the even It's a certain percentage of them that are using being a vegan as an excuse to be a fucking asshole. And then they attack people who aren't vegans.

1:59:35 People are going to be fucking idiots. on last week and these people are protesting his restaurant these vegans i've seen that yeah and There's a battle. And it's just like with anything else. And I think it's important to, like, understand that. 100 we're all just human beings and we vary genetically and we vary but we But I think people are opening up to that more now than before.

2:03:19 already and it's like come on like they didn't have to get over it exactly that's what it is My dad didn't have his dad. Because he didn't have his dad. As if you were a slave. We just had Black Panther. That should help. That's what everybody says. Black comes in so many different shades. Right. I mean, They didn't think of Italians as white people.

2:07:08 One day we'll get past this, whether it's, who knows how many generations it'll take, or better or worse. You can really see somebody. this oh you're an african guy i don't know what the fuck you are you're this no that's nonsense and and i think that's still you we're obviously all the same and there needs to be integration Or Africa itself. that racism is dying

2:10:10 recognize as a stupid problem and we should get past it it took goddamn long enough it's not done There wasn't a whole lot of them. There was never a black superhero. Even the Hulk is white at first. Yeah. i mean it's like they barely speak english i mean this is their culture and i want that to still There's the, like, or just not you know experience a lot of racism against white people

2:13:09 But for the most part, as long as you're not an asshole, you're good. They will only ever see the same people. It's not alien. is that it gives you this more rounded perspective. And I think if you really want to like cure racism in America and all that, Sometimes people get tense and it's just like, shun it and it'll go away. like, they're not really united states citizens but they are yeah it's like a weird thing it's kind of like

2:15:58 And all the things that they bring to it and, you know, the food that they bring, the different of being able to do it but everybody does it what's crazy to me is how when you go to these This is wild. at the height of his, he was on a seven fight win streak And I'm like, all right. went to town but yeah they got a lot of pride in brazil yeah they love it but but a lot around

2:18:28 I mean, for the most part, it's just, and win I think this is a good deeper I really enjoyed this conversation. See ya. See ya.