Joe Rogan Experience #10027 — Robin Black Transcript

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0:00 4, 3, 2, 1. which is why I wanted it. And I love kind of how they see martial arts. And that was what attracted me to them right away. So it's wild that you say that because to me, this is the approach. I don't think they've had a gold medalist in the Olympics. strategy. This is how they see martial arts. And it's how martial arts is viewed in Asia.

3:19 Yeah. That's art and a fight. I like it, I like that word on the ground, that's art. The impossibility of it is what's so beautiful. A fight is we fight for things all the time. I understand that position. Yeah. can get play cocky and get caught by that Chris Weidman left hook i mean this is just It's a great way to look at it. This guy is pushing, stacking himself into a position to try to not fail by making the challenge so difficult that even if he fails, he don't really.

8:17 front of everybody and then dealt with that and now says, I will try the journey again, It was a foolish venture. He didn't belong there. It was stupid. I didn't do good. No, it shouldn't. That's a reflection on the choices that the machine makes. i mean i would never have put myself in that place to look bad but here he is and here it is. And I'm cheering for him as a human being in a weird

11:38 No matter how much ridicule he'll take, it will have been worth it for him. Like, whoever on his side said that he could fight Mickey Gall, you're out of your fucking mind. He's clever. You get the metaphorical version of that punch in the face if you go through life like that. What doesn't make sense is getting punched in the face unnecessarily. against Colby Covington. I don't know what the

13:52 Phil. What is it, Jamie? And you have a number. He was going to get smashed. And we go through life that way a lot of times in a lot of different contexts I guess. Sage Nothca. But from what I saw when I first saw him training, the first, you know, it's like a martial art when you're able to focus in the deepest most fearful conditions. You know, Brock Lesnar did that, you know.

16:50 Your body develops that way. anything and you should. Yeah, you should. things and self-improvement is the root of who we are. I agree. Yeah, I think it is too. And often it is as a youth, they created the neural pathways and the physicality and the connection to their body. reality is still reality. I wonder too, if those exceptions are genetic, I wonder if like maybe

19:26 There's some weird shit that I'm like, fernand lopez yes he's a wonderful guy a smart guy really he's been around like the best of the Fernand, ask him He literally found a fucking unicorn that just strolled in off the street and came in. Yeah, of course. this crazy talent, and when someone Or something was present in both that allowed them both to be capable of doing that rather than the learn to pass because we don't know how that passes genetically from behavior.

22:40 You and I are not going to play basketball yes against lebron james but if we What's that little fucker's name? She's in it. And at the end, his brother's like, how are you doing this? at certain things. Francis and Gunnar big time and the guy who doesn't have the talent but had effort twice, effort was applied twice, will go as far as the man or woman will go as far as they possibly could.

25:18 but you also don't want to not go down roads because you're not genetically predisposed to There's a lot of shit going on, man. talented in any one form of MMA he's not like the fastest guy he's not the strongest guy mentally tough or did he work really hard and just push himself through things and that one day when Tough, hairy chest. Okay. Also early in the morning.

28:07 That's why having good friends to work with is great they know your paths yeah yeah but talking to matt brown and on the phone i uh doing an interview but one of the things because he but we were maybe we weren't anyway when he stepped into the cage, we were watching. I think we were doing a fight companion, but we were, maybe we weren't. mover, it's still the same art

30:02 there. They're there way Just, like, that is fucking art to me. And Diego really, I mean, Diego fought at 145, remember? his fight against Jake Ellenberger, who is a brutal knockout artist at 170. dillashaw steps you know what i'm saying he'm saying? I see it as his sort of intention. There's just no doubt where this is going. That's one of my reminder cues, right?

32:50 We'd like you to go. And as much as he loves yoga and at different times yoga and meditation has allowed him to do it differently, that hyper intensity, I think, doesn't allow the sort of soft relaxation that's necessary to really do what you're describing. that you don't see in these watching online. I must have watched it tense. Here it is, right here. Like look

34:36 he was an amazing And mentally, too. that's fucking incredible patterns and tendencies or make him do those things Here it is right here in slow-mo. I did see that, yeah. And I have friends that are PhD psychologists. Yeah, the spinal cord and how and your neurology and your nerves and how your nervous system. But that is the neurology of high athletic performance.

37:53 And he'll use terms like, you can't shoot a cannon out of a canoe. was doing at a high level with Dr. Stu. and you train like crazy couldn't see his face yeah that's george looks like a black guy and to be honest who george yeah probably asking him to only engage Big time. sphere of connecting to this kind of thing and erwan starts with the foot and and you've had

40:51 through the core about training athletes, That's how you push off. by far was plantar fasciitis was getting to a place after it was, Did you ice them? We were attributing it to the leg kicks. because obviously he's very footwork intensive with his fighting. Think of this for the big picture meaning of this for Dominic. still could not get away from damaging his body.

44:36 He was. his approach. He's so versatile with his ability to switch stances, his ability, I mean, he's That's about as good as it gets right now, like from the raw materials of those guys and the skills that they have. And that's what Dwayne's done. How good is he? I don't know whether you categorize anything from my right hand or anything in combination or if you're watching the patterns of my shoulders.

48:20 confident they have all of those raw materials and now we're playing a game that most of us cannot comprehend and they've also sparred countless hours together so they understand and contest winners on the thing got to ride on this train crazy, but really they're calculating like they are telling each other lies ongoing and they're risk takers or trying to tell each other things that make them think they're crazy, but really they're calculating.

49:41 Almost everything they say, And at that level, that is You've got to be flowing. Right, right, right. like look, a future world champion. No, it's none of that. level than even his obsession towards fighting and he talks about that that his passion is teaching to TJ. feet in a certain moment you think maybe that ain't it but you have discovered that by pushing

54:19 And he keeps talking about his fight IQ. He's thinking. Like we're supposed to go through life doing that. Like I, And at first, George was open to it, and Rudolph, his manager, was like, for a month training with Freddie Roach how do I get that You could learn a lot and study them Oh, you were big on point karate, There it is. And it really made me a better human being getting to do that.

57:58 How can I hurt you? and you would try to kick people into another i thought very similar in canada when i said what we Like this is part of the thing. Fucking dimension and we saw that with Edson Barbosa versus Terry Adam kickboxing first started kickboxing, So I've been lied to. I mean, you don't know what to do. in MMA there's so many Vitor explained this to me in like shit, 1997 when I was training at Carlson Gracie's.

1:01:44 You can't stand like a boxer. Two front kicks to the face. like the blitz And I respect that thinking. wrong. The guard is your feet when you do an the level of effectiveness that we're seeing now. Exactly. it's it's and these are when things work beautifully. Those two things together are making that thing work right now. If you can't see that the world around you has changed dramatically and you act as if it's the same, you get fucked up.

1:06:12 he's got a left hand that is a goddamn nuclear missile. You know what I mean? And after he kicked him and beat him up at distance and then finished the fight, Johnny was being interviewed and he's like, well, it wasn't my night. It's like, why the fuck would he do that? and does not benefit you, until one of them went to sleep, and it only happens because Nick

1:08:51 That's a fight, but that's- See, he got clipped. But this is the end. yeah i know right and there are people who don't like him oh i love that guy me too because that I'm going to go through it. And he got a shorter suspension than Nick. Some people will look at that and go, dude, just pay it. That's it? Yes, probably. George, you've got George coming in.

1:12:00 will never ever sacrifice So I ask George, who we are friends. bs man that's not happening i know i haven't signed anything well i know they've offered him Yeah, I'm sure he wants that, He's throwing dollies at bus windows Why don't they just say Brendan Schaub? I don't know what it's worth, but I would guess it's probably not really worth $4 billion.

1:14:46 I mean, he's still a giant star. See, the funny thing to me is, like, I always always feel like and I always feel like a lot of these mechanisms, title shots, rankings, belts, you know, Twitter beefs, they were intended to be there as a short term solution to give people a talking point until they saw how until they got deeply invested and connected right and i think that was but yet

1:16:12 yeah that's what i mean that's the idea behind stripping tony ferguson yeah i mean why why strip And then I'll mention, you know, they will then say, well, you know, you've got like a really unique way of approaching it. Yeah, because the casual, the not actively choosing what to watch is being on a Netflix search. we're sitting there with our boyfriend or girlfriend or husband or wife, and they're

1:18:21 I've done it with people. Yeah, but they made that choice. Yeah. That's not right. And that's why it's not a good fit. because I think there's so much money involved in the UFC The lease is $1,000 a month, but you only make $2,000 a month. How are you going to do that? Well, if I only pay 500 bucks I'm not going to have anybody on that I'm not interested in talking to.

1:21:20 And I think if they had someone like you breaking down the artistry of specific techniques, and breakdowns, specific techniques of why they work and why they don't work and what someone's doing right or wrong, you get educated. I appreciate that. I think we're going through whatever you're doing. fascinated in, eventually you kind of learn about connections in all things. The study of martial

1:23:14 and I make my wife and I coffee square peg my way into a large corporation because years back I dreamed about working there. I mean, there's things that I wanted to do when I was young that I don't want to do anymore. I lost interest in competing in it. It is. only 10 hours of work a day but those two hours at 20 bucks an hour you start doing those

1:25:54 So I built with a friend. and in practice so far people seem to be inspired or find it you know compelling and people have or take them somewhere. and it was awesome. And I realized are essentially using an That is inspiring. So I called up a good friend of mine, Graham. So when you booked it you didn't have a show wow yeah i joyous. Like it was, you've never

1:29:02 a figure skater. He's like the Tiger Woods of sumo Yeah. that's like the shoulder muscle through all that fat. of fat and flesh and skin. and our goal is just We could, in theory, maybe I could use your size against you That guy's going to get killed. I think he's an impractical and Sandha. And so I've carved out this niche where I get called for these and develop expertise in

1:31:35 Oh, right, right, right. This is what we can pay you. They can't afford him. He said that's why he couldn't do a deal with Bellator. they'll give you 60,000 US cash in your hand in an envelope at the end of it. Oscar De La Hoya is getting into the mix now We need another big one. Like when they were really promoting Ronda Rousey in the rematch or the fight with Amanda Nunes and didn't promote Nunes at all.

1:34:25 so quick you know but amanda nunez i i was thinking even before holly home beater amanda We've just seen Ronda sort of have these blitz moments with like Bech Cohea and, you know, and kind of throw through the bricks. So what happens after you get to the first layer? women's mma champion in the us america all these interesting aspects and she's a fun girl she's

1:36:36 What you can't do is just go, well, hopefully the next one will be good. like Amanda Nunes, you got to hype the shit out of her. For sure. is they'll stand up, they'll submit you. Their strategy is simply they're a values-based company that believes in the values of these things and tries to show people and share martial artistry for the greater good.

1:38:33 he's dead fucking serious. He was a homeless kid with a single parent that later became educated and then moved to America and went to Harvard and then started managing corporate funds and became a Muay Thai champion. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I get it. I think of Connor, I work for TSN because Connor fell out of a march So I don't dislike him. what Conor's doing is fucking with people's heads to the point where he has space in their head.

1:41:25 You can't. the greatest game day performer, Yeah, almost. and who you are in that moment is different. I also think he got clipped early. fucking laser beam and he's so good at landing it that's what that is the definition of it And he said he doesn't fight and Conor's a real fighter. They didn't stomp him. Nobody ever wins when that happens. he did this, no, he did this.

1:44:28 Right. I mean, all those people that got cut, you know, I mean, Ray Borg got cuts in his eyes. that by acting out in these strange ways, it's so bizarre and unsettling that we've rewarded, so he's looking at it and it's like okay uh habib would be a great fight i'd like to fight in russia I really do. He planned to get there when they're in the hall.

1:47:14 It's got a good he's got a good point. I'm the hate it. But I mean, wrestling, that stuff came up in wrestling because it isn't inherently real. wrong. If we understood, And your opinion of how it did or didn't excite you is super valid to you. I mean, if you really stop and think about it, he's ranked, what is he, ranked number three? He's only beaten Maia said this is a shithole. That's literally what got him the title shot. I mean, if you really stop and think about it, he's ranked, what is he, ranked number three?

1:49:58 how is this guy fighting for the title, who's a Brazilian. mike brown and they two years back when they were taught and i would i'm a jorge masvidal freak He's one of the greats in the gym. And yet, this is something I find distasteful about this art form is that game. It's hard to do. It's hard Brazilians are extremely patriotic. passionate person we're talking about here, and you said it's a joke, and they'd be like, you can't make that joke.

1:52:56 And if he wins two Saturdays from this one or one Saturday But if he wins, he will have a belt. About the belt. It's a marketing tool. Especially with a guy like Tony Ferguson, right? He beats Kevin Lee, spectacular fight, triangles him off his back. Freak accident. If Tony was a giant, huge star, there's no way they would strip him. We should celebrate that. He's one of a kind. He's an individual. He's an oddball. He's unique. He's one of a kind. We should celebrate that.

1:55:22 Which would be cool. Al took that fight on fucking one day's How can you not be inspired seeing a guy, like, life is traveling along and all of a sudden you have this one shot at something. they did it because they wouldn't use Paul Felder. Have you ever heard this term? but Paul Felder did that. Paul Felder is brilliant. But Paul is a bit more achieved.

1:58:05 for such a young one and being able to rationalize things he pursued it to get good at it because he loved it, that he put a seven next to his name instead of I think that what He was preparing for a three-round fight. But we find ourselves there. Exactly. That's fucking, that's chaos. He's a tweener. But Till, you know, regularly he's well over 200 pounds.

2:01:23 Like we have about two or seven or 18% of the actual information. He knocked out all these guys. McDonald couldn't do, and Jorge Masvidal couldn't do, and get to a guy who has that movement, That nasty left elbow that he landed over the top. You know, talk to people that know his striking acumen and people that have seen him in the gym and understand what he's been through in his life.

2:03:21 what a 23 year old is capable of they'll see the whole game differently for a bit but then my next question the next morning will be like how the fuck did he do it what what changed now what about the the See, the problem with those two Tyron Wonderboy never hurt Tyron in those fights. spectacular kickboxing records ever. But he's also, I want to say, he's 34, 35.

2:05:44 The hips and the knees and the shoulders and that whole thing. it's hard to keep going. And sometimes it requires you to get a little shittier for a bit to go past that plateau, to weaken or get worse by having to reexamine what you believe and the way that you train or the way that you fight, to break through a plateau, you've got to kind of be willing to go backwards a bit.

2:07:11 If I can get to the body lock, I'll rip him down. And maybe that low leg kick is a part of that. Wonderboy is a master Hendricks got lit up by that front leg side kick and then front roundhouse kick to the face right afterwards. And before he fought Cowboy, his successes were fighting at distance and smashing guys who came in. Yes. The answer isn't discard a valuable weapon.

2:09:34 Yeah, that's cool, man. Yeah, I mean, something in Wing Chun people would look at So that thing may not be useful to fight, you know, Frank Mir, but that thing will be useful in a context when you're fighting a guy like that. That's old school limb destruction. Yeah, I hope they figure out what the fuck they're going to do with him soon. they announce when Jon Jones' suspension is up,

2:11:43 Do you know what I mean? But I think he surrounds himself with a bunch of knuckleheads i think he's he's around it let's do more coke yeah you know let's's, let's party harder. Let's drive fast. I mean, He keeps beating everybody's ass and people keep forgiving him and hopefully he doesn't to make those changes and you know right now i'm sure he just wants to get his license back you know but like when i see him like having these uh battles back

2:14:26 But when we turn the TV on, I don't care if you watch CNN or Fox or CNBC or whatever, There's more at stake. It acts. pattern of behavior. they adopt this pattern So a couple of punches happen and I get caught in the guillotine and I'm thinking I'm okay I'm surrounded by great people. if you haven't experienced failure, But have some respect about it.

2:18:44 You can't do it that way because people – now it looks weird and old. in and this is applies to us all you have to re-step in look at where you are and what its hierarchies. They get really good at structuring business in such a way that they are then in But now you need different people. I'd like more people to check those out. well, he obviously must be too hurt to fight,

2:21:36 The comments are ruthless. in my experience, is the least negative. They're on the early part of the technological adoption life cycle. I've never really figured out with an open mind or Whitney And if 60 of them commented, if I can schedule in the day 45 minutes, I'm going to take the time and thank as many of them as I can. and trying to either be inspired

2:23:43 It's like, The structure of their thinking is so poor. and it was an accidental issue and the You know, you'd be altered by like, what are you saying? And I had a tweet about it. A thousand? And they're the ones who are going to be mad that you disabled the comments. You had an in-depth conversation. And then I saw you walk across. And they say, hey, can I?

2:27:03 I'm going to mouthful of food. while you literally have a mouthful of food. I don't understand the motivation for doing it. Right this way here. Yeah. No. Everybody wants to dress up their Facebook. Yeah, it is weird. trying to compete in something Volkov fucked him up, man. That guy's dangerous. He's at least 6'11", right? Somewhere around that range.

2:30:26 Yeah, he fought Fedor. I saw Triple H in a restaurant one time, and I was like, whoa. when i stand next to him i mean not quite as much contrast but pretty ridiculous but there it is get your breakdowns and your and I learned a lot from it, The 22nd in Ireland. I think it's robinblackmma.com. Appreciate you, brother.