Joe Rogan Experience #10030 — Sean O'Malley & Tim Welch Transcript

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0:00 Sugar. Yeah, it is, but for what we do, it's not the best place. Yeah, how much training can you get in Montana? It's not so montana people just angry just want to fight you can just like to fight you can sign up that Oh, yeah. Being in Phoenix is like, I don't want to be anywhere else. He beat all these people. And I think a big reason is because of John Crouch.

2:42 He's just a super no-nonsense guy, never blows his own horn, other still joining the military I heard he was thinking about joining the Yeah. Like there's a bunch of important qualities in a fighter, right? You're flowing. Like there's people that can do that and I just feel like I'm on a step ahead of them. And Sugar can watch someone do something, and he can do it right away it's a really cool talent

5:47 Was that his first His first fight Marcus Brimage In the first round Yeah, he was young. He's fighting Ortega next, July 7th, yeah? and kept getting better. Has he slipped? That's awesome. I think he only has two or three losses in his career. Three? He's a good... I thought And you never see any of it in his fights. But it's so fun to watch So it's like when you see it in the Michael Johnson fight,

9:10 And he kicks low from real close, man. when they start to get beat you wonder if they're going to start use those losses as informative or And I think a lot of that comes from eating good and having the right rest My back would hurt every morning. biggest things that improved my skills even as a fighter i feel like just There's so many guys like that, Rob Wolf,

12:00 Yeah, he's a fucking beast. Oh, you don't want to do that. That's the record. But he, on days where he's running, he way ramps up his carbs. you guys like a college like you guys is our college and then we're going to our jiu-jitsu you can stay on my couch for a little bit and come check out the gym kind of figured he wouldn't We figured it out. so i was there for a full week so monday is striking day tuesday's wrestling i literally did not know how to wrestle

15:18 beat up bad for a week um went back say went back to montana um saved up $2,000, packed my car, drove down. That you smoked weed? We had debates about it, too. get pissed off and kick him out but then i realized i'm like he doesn't even know he doesn't even know always i started eating more anti-inflammatories i started making shakes with spinach and almond

17:51 People, they're mad at me for not eating a vegan diet anymore. He was a vegan at that time. remembered i'm like fuck but i knew this is a huge opportunity um i like the matchup i knew i just had Two weeks later we went start like if this guy's telling me if this if he's this smart and he's telling me that some good quality meat's gonna benefit me i would be stupid to not

20:30 of like the amount of nutrients that you get in like a small grass-fed steak versus a big plate is the way to go. that show that people that eat meat more than five times a week have a higher incidence There's no studies that show that eating clean, like people have eaten for thousands of years. I mean, going to try a vegan diet. And then they're eating all

22:33 It's not Jack in the Box. Yeah. It's so simple. Ice cream sundae with hot fudge. Yeah. Fuck. They just don't know about those blood sugar fucking. Let me have a Coke. every day first 42 at 34 ounces or what a 32 ounce pop it's hard yeah it's hard because it's like all these mental books. distractions people who are fun to be around alcohol you know even women like certain food is like distractions of what's keeping you back from

26:51 like like there's going to be some point in your life that health is your main priority there's he's like, how much do you train your mind? life and i carried a lot of fucking guilt for not being in the like religion slash cult and he's it was cool because he taught tim so much and i could learn i'd seen like that's where he learned He had the perfect answer, super intelligent.

29:14 Couldn't do any sports. And I was like, fuck, I have to make a decision. Go with my dad and get the house that were elders and the kid was 20 and he's like this is elder mike i'm like the as missionaries and saying hey I remember telling my mom it's funny looking back on that I remember their names. This year? I'm sure Bellator didn't pick that up.

31:32 I mean, look, man, there's a number. It's happening. One, two sessions a week. wrestler and his ground and pound was some of the You were getting elbowed and punched in the face. There was no like T.J. Dillashaw style movement or Dominic Cruz. But it was just so overtly aggressive. do they fucking fall over and i think a lot of people late in their career they never knock

34:29 across the cage like he had magic in his father time whatever it was but goddamn it just went away and then he became not a dangerous Like, should the general public understand what the real risks are because these fighters that go to you say you go to some place Knock, knock. You're going to see depression. It's fucking horrible. you don't fight for a couple months you got people like i broke my jaw my last fight

37:16 But it forced me to meditate. and I remember thinking, this could be worse. Now sugar is meditating. I like an hour, but I do two if I have the time. Sweet. And then I usually either like yoga or running in the morning. Yeah Ever vinegar Is like people don't know man Well, if you think about how healthy it is to eat salmon, like a healthy wild salmon,

40:51 All day. What the fuck? Do you listen to Paul Cech? I'm thinking of a different guy. goddamn grocery store egg chickens those grocery grocery store chickens are prisoners. You're getting little prisoner eggs. I mean, it's just orange like the sun. You know, yeah, you got to clean the shit and you got to make sure they have enough food. in there all the time. But now I might have to put

43:04 Smart little fucker. and then eating the meat you get. Look at him. How do they know? How do they know? Yeah. I know. Just like my brother says, though, man, if you're hunting and you're a really good shot, holy shit, that guy's lived forever. And their teeth are all worn down. And it's like, fuck, it's on, man. So the wolves will eat part of it, leave it there.

46:09 Yeah, they do what's called, what do they call it? Do it for fun? They recovered all of them and stacked them. To repopulate Yellowstone A wolf hybrid with what? or probably horny rather and not like a werewolf it's this weird russian dog that's like fucking crazy hair all over the place Wolf dog shooting in Montana It's a big animal. Damn, that's crazy.

48:41 And if you get lucky and you get an opportunity, you kill one of those animals and bring it out. I need to try it. That's good, too, man. When do you guys go back? See, I smoked when I was younger, but it was only like occasionally at like a party, and and helping his and i got i was getting real creative with my my comedy and then smoking pot and getting on stage. And I was getting real creative with my comedy.

51:22 But I just fucking wrap up my hands, put on the timer, and the bell goes off again you got another three three minutes and man it's one of my my like it's to turn the hip over i feel it more when i'm high like i feel the connection with all the tissue After surgery, I was smoking all day. These ligaments right here. Oh, there it is right here. I go to the doctor in a couple weeks to be cleared.

54:03 Thank God for smart people. What's impede? like, because I personally don't like smoking all Oh yeah, I was talking about smoking weed. marijuana to take over your life and and be in charge of you um and i felt that when i was gaming That's the case with everything though, right? I was going to get a plate in my foot, You're supposed to land with your shin, but I land a lot with my foot.

56:48 It was, remember that? Yeah, it's weird. It literally looked like it came over. I remember you had a – I don't remember what podcast it was, cover up i'm past i'm already in side control now there's a moment they have to think it's People don't know what to do when you spin. I spun and he covered up. I feel like you could be a pro in a bunch of different sports.

59:00 man for your weight class for bantamweight you're so fucking long and i told you when i saw you i Nobody knows what they're doing. almost everything that i know and mr kim mr kim took over as well when he came back but when i And you would see him do things, and it was confusing. That's funny. Nope. You never know. And how old are you now? he's my main coach i can i'm paying him to be my coach he's focusing on me my diet um watching

1:02:23 what I wanted everything like training and to have to have him here with me even just being here it's cool. I remember being 19 in the apartment. Like, this is what I wanted, everything. Like, training and to have him here with me, even just being here, who's your that's right which was a very good fight too but I was like damn this kid's getting But after every fight, I'm like, dude, let's treat it like we lost.

1:03:51 From that Alfred fight It's a fucking crazy sport too, though, right? like Wing Chun or, you know, podcasts about ego and aubrey marcus and uh with aubrey marcus and just a lot of Podcasts about ego and Aubrey Marcus This whole like amount of money and it's i'm realizing money doesn't make you happy materialistic things i understand like my ego is motivated by money i love money and i love

1:06:36 in general we're all at the core we're all just want love and compassion and so of huge crowds like he was saying the bigger the crowd the more people watching them the better i need to reset have you done dmt i have not i'm actually kind of scared to do dmt because i know Connor's ego is huge. Can you do that without the self? Like, I'm not trying to not be me.

1:09:28 your age i was a fucking idiot you know you're way ahead of the game it's just a part of life I'm like, it's so hard to change people. just really get everything in order yeah meditation's so awesome it's really helping me randomly or in camp i wouldn't do it all and then now i'm doing it i want it to be a part of my life because it's really like, it, I don't know.

1:12:17 about routine, about how important it is if you're a great athlete. His name was something Moses. And I remember he had He just gets there, he locks in, and he does this. You're just running. until they won a gold medal, but at the same time massively impressive are not required for supreme athletic success. writing shit down I gotta start really thinking about everything I do and I gotta start putting

1:15:33 Dude, And that's a dude who fought people with a fucking sword. Killed. you should be an artist. like the way to be a balanced sword fighter like his whole thing was that you can't have any You couldn't bite down your mouthpiece and let the chips fall where they may. When they introduced Anderson, I was a giant Anderson fan before he fought. And when he fought in England, I was like, holy shit.

1:18:48 And he lit Chris Lieben on fire. Bank, bank, stepping over here, pop, whap. He had achieved that state, you know, great of this era he's a man but what what was so phenomenal about anderson was that you would just You'd be like, oh, shit, here it comes. Nasty. Keep kicks. Yeah. before, but that's when, in that John? I hope soon. You remember that? Didn't he switch gyms?

1:22:38 Or if they do want to do it, they don't want to do it like they used to want to do it. Am I looking to the future? this guy i used to call him the dark horse i was like that guy's the dark horse of the heavyweight Fuckers would wobble. And he was still a skillful guy, so apparently in sparring he would get the best of Travis. And Arlovsky wound up stomping him.

1:24:47 Who the fuck knows? Well, Colby's doing what you said you wanted to do. that is because he's been very smart with promotion hell yeah dude oh yeah man that's good Yeah, that's the thing. took place won a clear-cut decision did it in brazil and did it after woodley did it and did When he gets a hold of you, it's such next-level jiu-jitsu. at him at welterweight and you're like, Jesus

1:27:06 That Robbie Lawler fight was crazy. I was so jacked for that. Oh, yeah. Motherfucker's getting better. He's a beast. Yeah, you'll see little kids That's crazy. fuck man Oh god I was like She said fuck it Fuck it I'm gonna shave my. She's like, fuck it. She said, No. a five rounder. when we went to the hospital, Stylebender. so how do you decide when you're ready to go full blast again with your foot just about how it feels

1:30:42 Felt good today. Did you see the Marlon Marais fight? that much aren't that great, He wouldn't be able to touch. Is Jimmy Rivera, what is he, a little shorter than he? He's short. 5'5", I think. Yeah, something like that. He wouldn't be able to touch sugar. They can't train for you because there's not many people who can switch it up. And I truly believe that.

1:32:13 Eyeball him like. the time i was working at the ufc gym i got a key he's like all right i'll be there fucking I was conscious of I'm not trying to hurt this guy. And I wasn't being a bully we I was like, dude, Tony, you shit yourself. He did. Yeah, there's a lot of people out there trying to chest puff. Bye-bye. No. I was like, oh, shit. Just women everywhere, drinking, dancing.

1:34:40 Yeah. We were there for our buddy Hot Sauce's fight. So they made this. Let's hear it. i didn't know what the fuck i was smoking by the time i was on the third one. I was on another planet, man. I mean, it's weird. That is fucking odd. Yeah, seriously. He's like, you can get arrested if you smoke it on the street. So UFC decided not to send me. I guess we're not going.

1:37:54 You know, people think like, oh, stoners are lazy. And he did it. Doesn't get you high. Doesn't do anything bad. Rhonda goes off about ibuprofen, doesn't ruin your body, doesn't get you high, about. Probiotics. Kombucha is amazing. The grapes had a little bit too much sugar in it sometimes more than once a day So here's where it gets crazy. Fuck it.

1:40:40 Mandatory drug testing. Consumption just means that your urine has tested positive. I've never been out of the country. Damn it. And then there's places where they just put you in a cage. like smartphones and shit like that. Yeah. That is fucking crazy. Is that... That movie seems like a big risk How dangerous it was to meet in Singapore that were saying

1:43:40 If Singapore really does There's like, what are they afraid of with people taking drugs? they can get away with. Well, who would want to be the president when you're already a billionaire? And it's not just that they're shocked. Damn. He didn't want like three dudes that are like second stringers. Like, hey, Donald. Somebody went after him. pumping everything up and we expect differently now that he's the president and that's where it's

1:46:40 but like that bending of the truth in his, The crazy thing is there was no one on the Republican side that was capable of challenging him. but he's still the same guy, man. He's still the guy from The Apprentice. And that's not his fault. Well, we don't even know what we're doing. Seriously. I'm gonna go progressive American Indian him and Hillary Clinton

1:49:18 the kind of thing that could figure out a way to make sound, and dude, I just saw a leopard. And they send People are crazy. We're the craziest thing. Mars and take pictures and send them and protect people from the other people that are shooting people and get involved in all and sneak up on you underwater in a metal tube, a submarine that shoots fucking nuclear

1:51:38 We're mad about everything. They keep getting better and better. We'll just go back in time and set people up They give us shiny Samsung Galaxy Note 9. You just stick it in your ass. Well, the ass is the way to go because it's like open. This podcast took a turn for the stoner. that new Netflix show, holy shit, Dude. It's real weird. treat each other we barely get better at that and we do react to things better like if we're mad at

1:55:29 But what I do know is that racism is horrible and people just don't want to tolerate it anymore. American the worldwide Ari Shaffir has a holiday that he created called shroom Shroom Fest will certainly help. But regular person in terms of we don't – that's not how a politician acts. That makes people more on edge. They would freak. and you get to see not just their ideas play out

1:58:29 Very fascinating. And I think that's one of the reasons why he's into it. I know he would like to. Well, physically, the thing about college is if you put in the work and you're smart enough, it's possible. you built are you built normal like are you small yeah if you're small you're extra super fucked You get that tightness in the middle of your back.

2:00:45 It's very smart, because you know what? You're always with knee shit and arm Yeah. It was fun. For sure. Seriously. Someone who studied philosophy like that and just is a type of person like that, it's fucking before we evolve more and then find the counter to that it's like well what's It makes you uncomfortable, right? I'm not arguing with you, man.

2:03:58 Oh, I would hope so. and reinforce them and you're going to go through That's a movie. Seriously. Our lifespan is so weird because it's it's really short, you know and cataclysmic earthquakes and solar flares, because we don't realize that this might not be here in a year That's insane. I want to wake up in the morning Yeah. Everyone's looking at them

2:07:10 Oh, is it really? Oh. Look at that mini Cooper. That looks faker than this one. You're like, oh, my God. Got him. The people are crazy. I'm a big Yeah. Yeah, how males aren't made for monogamy. So the idea is like, how did we get to a place where everybody stopped fucking everybody? He felt like climate change caused people to move from a mushroom culture to an alcohol culture.

2:10:29 ancient uh art pieces that show mushrooms and even people that were under the spell of the he's certainly hero risked his neck like way way early on and you on and stood by his beliefs and caught a lot of shit for his book, from like a long fucking time ago see if you can see that mush adam and eve mushroom fresco just It's like, holy. 13th century fresco depicting an Adam and Eve in the Tree of Knowledge.

2:12:56 Is that on the ballot or something? Like, think of this. you know if you're a fucking guy who's a painter back then maybe you're doing mushrooms all the You draw things. and you get poison in your body, and you die because no one has antibiotics. If they had nothing else, why would they demonize mushrooms? but culture had already gone in this weird,

2:15:29 You wonder if they had just like as much happiness as we have he was just here and he just, But one of the things he was telling me, And he was like, how many people do you think in the real world are really happy? Unhappy. anybody out there that's listening is doing what they want whether you're making furniture or like right like my dad gets off work and goes to work he's like what's he doing you know right

2:17:48 don't do that don't take their parents had been in the fucking depression man even when i was growing up people were kind of But as life gets more and more complicated, you get older and older, your body starts failing. I'm close to a bunch of really positive people. doing what I want to do it's not like a lot of money Like I'm not, time i say stupid things all the time people are like why'd you say that i'm like because i'm

2:20:47 at the thing that interests you, the thing that's The Sting. Alias Smith & Jones. that's where we benefited from come from a small town we racked up a lot of experience like in I remember that. For sure. What are you thinking about? And I truly feel that. It might have been my friend John Dudley. person. That has an effect on your actions. fall where they may, but at least you'll

2:24:24 for the rest of your life. or you got caught in an armbar, whatever the fuck it is. I wouldn't know who I really am right now. oh you rely on it too much and well i on people. Or you rely on it too much. I mean, Rumble put it to people I'm an athlete. for sure, smart, knows just have that weird power, man. for a second in that fight. People forget Yeah, man.

2:27:50 know those battles that after a while he just didn't want to do it anymore even if he's that I'm done. No, he beat a couple people. Didn't he try to make 170? For 10 fucking weeks and it's exhausting knowing that I might make this much money or I might make double that much. I just feel like everybody's trying to win. Because it might cost you fifty thousand dollars if someone

2:29:50 could be ironed out with a large that know mma that understand jujitsu that know kickboxing all together i mean there's got to be You know, that system sucks a fat dick. Depends on who's throwing the elbow. You try to slam him. Super subjective. a big number, if you have a hundred people, fight play out in real time That'd be nice. are often the decisions are decided

2:33:22 I would go, oh, I love the part I have a friend who is a judge who told me Like, super common. it was during the fight. Do you know him well? I'm like, I know at the high, high level, it's not going to work, but I just feel it's another tactic. And then all of a sudden, you're in this place where two guys are talking shit to you. Yeah. Well, You're giving up your strategy, son.

2:36:02 was like this guy like the way but i guess that's like a lot of also your emulation of Connor, right? my entire life since i was four until i was in high school i think i was just became math super Put up your arms real quick. That would be the worst thing I was a huge And just, I think that's, it's an unnecessary danger. When there's these big, giant gaps between weight classes,

2:38:38 Jesus. Yoel Romero is 185 fucking? Dude, he's one of the most in real life? Flex your traps. You look like He's well over 200 pounds. Jacked. I like that. He's one of the few guys that can go back to Cuba t-shirt yeah they put i love you I love you. He put that up? I'll take that in the large, please. They sold out the first couple hours They need to let it go. In this day and age, let it go.

2:41:49 The only thing that they care about is commissions and people failing the test, which they think He's not a guy who interferes with people's personal pot smoking into three weeks and just drink a lot of fucking water and apple cider vinegar and try to clean And his win bonus. Poor Pat. Those guys get sore as fuck, man. and we're going to be like, Here's the thing.

2:44:06 Pot's not the problem. It really does. I won't do it. Dude, I got gotta get you something. I have this liquid, People with those dabbers, But it rots your skin away to the point where your bone's exposed. It was like, what in the fuck? The meat rotted away. Look at her forearm. Crocodile? Yeah. I don't even... Look at that one hand. Thank you for not showing these online

2:47:22 People are fucked up People are fucked up, man. Really? it's Costco and that forms maybe a lot of patterns that are in our brains now like oh for sure no idea oh for Super good dude, like real nice guy. Yeah. of like here's a person who's doing a bad thing and think about it more in terms of like, well, wait a minute. Like, what is causing people? I'm like, are we going to treat them? I mean, they're not the same

2:50:41 Figure out a way to like If you could just get to them early And then have this with kids when they're young. And just like Rhonda Patrick says, what the mom's eating has so much to do with how that baby's formed and how healthy it's formed. How lucky are we that we're not living in fucking Singapore It's crazy. I bet it's pretty crazy being a dad. It's crazy.

2:53:04 And you just feel different. You feel different about people. I look at you didn't even know you could love. And you just feel different. Fuck you, I'll beat your ass. I just would think. I'd be like, look at that old dickhead. Fuck you, I'll beat your ass. Until he starts bucking. If you're 70 years old and you're like, get off my lawn! They got a greasy film on all the windows.

2:54:19 Now they're 80 years old, Did they get a good deal? Were they around nice people when God. It could have been you. You can see them in Libya. the best at English. Yeah, that could be us. Oh, we have to go over here and there's a steel embargo. You've got places where you have block after block with boarded up windows. Yeah. Like their situation is fucked.

2:57:28 accelerating. campaign to reinvigorate like you know there's there's got to be ways that you can invigorate these places and you somehow blew things up so we should definitely fix it but shouldn shouldn't we fix Chicago too? Why do you get gang violence constantly in Chicago? and the only reason why they have such violent crimes is because we like drugs,

2:59:46 solution? But dude you're a lot smarter than you think and actually having an education in it But everything else, I'm an expert in. Exactly. You know, I mean, I just remember shit. That's what it is. Open-minded, oh, you're just crazy. You're not smart. You're just a crazy nice person. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, that's what it is. Instead of looking like, am I right?

3:01:36 I was in the wrong 100%. Sorry I argued that so hard. the way we we really in our heart of hearts, understand how people are There's a lot of everybody, including me. honest about what you know. Yeah but definitely don't listen to me. Only listen sugar it's not a good combination especially if you have certain genes i know a bunch of grain at the bottom mush again it better have a lot of that and then and then after that it was

3:04:37 Depending on your goals, right? and why does this help that, and why does this hurt that. Dude, he's a wizard. I'm being honest. But the real experts, man, their knowledge is constantly growing. So she'll send you things about new data brain health right that's the real that's the real problem the real like Kat Zingano was here She was concussed so badly in that fight that it fucked up her hormone levels.

3:07:37 My body would not let go of this weight. She couldn't see their reaction. Good for her. Yeah. Technologically and medically, yeah. Listen, they're going to make it a contest. Let's just do a different thing. Saved at home. a beauty contest. day i don't even care about myself they would say a bunch of crazy shit just like those women the top of the heap.

3:10:55 Kai, yeah. Yeah, Kali Muscle. Holy shit. Look at it. how messed up he got I don't know. but how the fuck could you tell who's better? Yeah. at your legs. Oh my god. How long is that guy gonna last? You make him work. You to the back. How long is he going to last? How long is that guy going to last? That guy's got about 45 seconds in him. That would hurt.

3:13:19 They still have strength. I mean, how much did those guys lift? Just getting jacked, baby. That's a sport where you have to do it. Oh, yeah, 495. And he's doing it for reps. Magnus Carlsen dude? Gregor the Mountain. How do you say that? Dude, that guy's so ridiculously huge. No! No more! Fuck yeah. Giant human. Igor Gracie? It's very interesting. right he fought tim sylvia god why did i have that escape me i was thinking maniac and i couldn't

3:17:41 No, I just, sorry, I wasn't saying no to you. Does it have it? He's a big motherfucker. Pop, pop. Like That's cool That's crazy. Like Tim said, he was talking about it at one point in time in the future, He gets caught right on the jaw. blown away that Randy wanted to fight him, but Randy didn't give a fuck. Smashed them. and he was basically Yeah, and then when he fought Vitor, that's

3:20:40 It was just so huge. He was always between 255 And this is the Mark Coleman era against Cage, beats him up and gets him down Like, no, no, no. Like we know when he knew the progression that it was going to take. And then everyone thought, oh, the Machida era. No question about it. people thought about Sugar Ray. that thing that he did with glover that overhook where he yanked on his shoulder and fucked up his

3:23:51 John would do crazy shit. Damn. That's right. Well, he's fought tough guys. Roy Nelson. Holy smokes, dude. I bet so. And, like, we're going to find out, man. Josh is a big fella. You think what? Because I heard that they were going to give him the Habib fight. Cha-ching. Ooh, so Chiesa versus Pettis. That's a good fight there. That Hooker's And he believes in those knees

3:27:53 Ross Pearson Man or was it like a split decision? You look Oh, no, no, no. Rafael Sonsal, Brian Carraway, TJ Sillisaw. TJ. What's a fight, DJ? I hope he's thinking cha-ching. to 125. fight i wonder what he walks around at because i remember i cut the 25 once i did not feel like i That's an intense fight. day going to go down, right? and TJ was yelling at him

3:30:55 the same thing that's a good fight there, dude. Yeah. This is really fun, man. Like I said, we look up to you a lot, dude, and we're thankful for everything. Sweet shit from people too Are doing Sorry At Tim Welch, MT. Dude, that was...