Joe Rogan Experience #10034 — Josh Barnett Transcript

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0:00 Boom, ladies and gentlemen, Josh Barnett, youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion, now Riding on that freedom. You can see me sit down and run my mouth about wrestling. gap that our age group that has come into flourishing and into the internet and other You know, Billy Corgan from the Smashing Pumpkins? It's that too. on this show at this time, you're going to defend the NWA championship, the NWA

3:06 When I was in high school, he had like a claw. He's got his hand up the claw. to any audience who might want to see it. Does Jim Ross hook you up with his barbecue sauce? Hickory chips. Yeah, there's like two types of people that use that barbecue. weber grills that there's just nothing to it other than oh those kettle grills yeah those are for You one of those guys?

5:41 I just drove one today. I didn't need it, I think, because, well, no, actually, I did put forged rods in it, forged pistons, but iron heads, dual quads. Why don't you just get it swapped out? That's the Burt Reynolds car, that the you know that's a 77 okay you're 75 75 so it's got big big circular That's a nice car. It was just a total dog. like things connected to the heads and it was just bad news yeah it was a rough time for America

9:00 Corvette still had some good looking cars in the 70s. I don't know if any any chicks wanted to And hooray. Keeps their dildos in shape. know do you ride a, about it more and more and more, it seems like there is an attempt within society to try and present the image of toughness, right? just rolling and dusting yourself off and you'll see all the like like the

12:30 a big show of, Right. well, okay, what's bad motherfucker about you? You don't know me, man. and it heightens our responses to certain things, but it also heightens what we see from these things are amplified under the, the elements of technology that are around us and how they the person who's got a who's turned their their social media There's the dudes that do essentially the same equivalent.

16:51 Yeah, there's a lot of girls that they do sponsored tweets gel shooting out of her she should have Kevlar pants on everywhere. but it's just weird when there's this like one body part that essentially to this this uh religious icon of an ass apparently yeah well it is it doesn't get old magazines and all that kind of stuff like women want to look at hot women yeah right so women are

18:53 She looks like a cartoon. Yeah. For sure. You need multiple lenses. No. If we found uh you know putting that thing around corner to see where that rabbit is yeah get it is that what It doesn't even make any sense. or we see women do it more, You're going to be wrinkled, this is just it you don't have to look perfect to be a beautiful person. I've got to go, ooh. what's happening there below the surface?

22:27 Do you know about the Fibonacci sequence? And Elizabeth Hurley, when they made that thing was considered like So you're saying it's not the any one thing, it's the sum of your parts. She's got a large nose or a wide nose. and that's why she got facial stuff shot in her face? It was a fucking article on my Google feed. They know the inner workings of Joe Rogan.

25:06 Some girls look like they got rocked. And then if you just let your body. and you'll see, like, they have a, there was a song, goddammit, this is like 2002. The dude who sang it. high as fuck you weren't enjoying all eating pig anuses and people screaming about having a centipede There's a reason why people gag porn. It's like you get desensitized,

28:24 you know, And if you go from that to, you know, let's drink grain alcohol. Yeah. Well, I mean, Mormons, they're just so friendly so friendly yeah there's something got to be going on underneath something's It was Rockstars. They're four hours. Yeah, but 80 is not that much. to acid wash jeans i was thinking that the? Like whatever the fuck happened to acid wash jeans?

31:16 Yep. left my side this is real it was made from a bighorn sheep that you uh you tracked down and What do you think is happening now and civilization at large. I won't wear them Okay Yeezys here. That's fine. Okay. You understand this? That's the Ultra Boost. No. I wear covers. Skulls and shit like this. Goddamn classics, Jamie. They're like Crocs. What's that?

34:48 You'd have to talk to him. So there's no- No, it's not allowed. I can at least say noise but it's ridiculous amongst uh like rappers i see rappers wearing those things with socks it Yeah. I would drive a Tesla. dollars more oh it's almost it i heard it's as fast if not faster i go if i'm paying over a Souls. The problem is it feels good to hear the rumble of an engine.

38:39 It's probably a V12, actually. Teslas are cool. I'm also a little weirded out by the over electronic element of modern life. the car, even of itself, not just the exterior of it, but the internals make it seem like a different vehicle. There's sounds that they have. Oh, it was a great show. A punch, a slap. Take a little settlement. I would have said, Jeremy, how much money you got?

41:52 drunk asshole well maybe so but i don't know if it's even if it's on jeremy he could just go to Like how many people get drunk Like what you would do if an animal was coming at you. They come to me, bro. It's happening right now. What if it gets a beat on you and then all of a sudden they go, nope, you're the only I have not. But then, all right, you've already proven that you can maneuver yourself out of the way.

44:36 There's a lot of things – but obviously factory farming I don't know if it's possible to do it the way we've been doing it, though. diet now see here's the thing i've been uh uh i heard you talking to what you've talked a lot Trying to be that guy. I met Chris. And that's the only thing. I don't eat. They give them to you and they're already sealed up in a plastic bag?

47:32 There's a place down the street here, a Russian bakery. My joints hurt less. I don't know if there's anything to do with that. As does he. chicken periods look if you don't want to kill animals i get it i get it i totally i love animals They're incredible. They love shells. But you know what they don't fuck with? It's crazy. And it got into the yard and ended up in the backyard and the four chickens cornered it

50:59 yeah marshall they hardly ever catch him though He got that one It was like The squirrels go into The chicken coop Yeah. It's a hard life being a squirrel. All this peer pressure from all these other squirrels Trying to live your life. They're out there. They're all this peer pressure Yeah. out of the chicken coop. Yeah, they do They're getting it and they're rolling the egg.

52:37 This is bullshit. Maybe in the deep south, and that's not an industry. Right? You know, all kinds of diseases and shit. I went out into the yard. Then you got to drain it. Good thing they didn't grow legs. And then someone else has, then they've got the same thing down there. all the animals around us, just like they figured out a way to survive eating the animals

55:36 Yeah. talk about Soma and Soma was some sort of a psychedelic mixture. And they don't know exactly what it was. And then they would eat these mushrooms and have these profound experiences. to ignore that connection seems a little bit weird. And it, it worst case scenario, six arms and Shiva standing on like a little, I felt like ignorance would be like a dragon and Shiva was like fighting.

58:24 Could be that. you do psychedelics. You see a lot of this It's the way it's affecting the way you're're processing it yeah perturbance of your visual cortex yeah but We're living in a Huxley version Now, there is thought policing. Yeah. What's going on? I don't think so. Because if you say Latinx, it's like Latina, Latino. This is the thing. Yeah, the asexual activist lobby is coming.

1:02:49 You're living the life that you want to live. evidence to back up what you're saying. I know Jordan Peterson, and he's definitely not a racist. And he is a clinical psychologist, and he's very well read, understands like marxism and all the pitfalls I didn't know about any of that. I was just listening to Jordan Peterson lectures And then I was living with a Marxist for a while.

1:04:57 So if someone says, oh, the wage gap, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't talk about education level, job for job, hours worked. sexism or any sort of ism to some degree in something there's sexism coming from both sides That motherfucker could make the best soap with essential oils that are the it doesn't require physical strength. male versus female, and this mayor

1:07:13 Or the wage gap. if i get any whiter i'm gonna be wearing uh you know fucking Birkenstocks with socks on. You should shave your privilege. the creation of these like whether it's someone who's a post-modernist or someone who's a staunch conservative people pre-existing ideas or if i do them, don't attach myself to them Give me some reason. I go, no, no, no.

1:10:35 I got caught. Oh, fuck that up. You can't get to the point to where you're like, oh, somewhat of the landscape. But eventually, the only thing you can do is you just got to go, I know the mindset. what like here's here's something i know for a fact this wood is hard if i've hit this wood compassionate group of human beings that all live together. Like this is a, this is a comp, it hasn't been done before.

1:13:02 in ways that, which is not directly related to, Marxism, but just to look at patterns and trends and ways of people of operating and to see how, OK, well, given a different circumstance, how would that process work within this one or in this one or in this one or this one? well if you if you're like well i don't i don't think marxism will work but you can't say that

1:13:50 even it's like a racist position, I could see where they could take this way to its extreme. And that, that, I mean, that's nonsensical, but you see where it started or you can look at it and go, I could see where they could take this way to its extreme one of the things about society like crazy people that took wild chances constitutes human history has only been gone for, it was around for a short time and it's

1:15:52 Oh, no. just fucking they just put on the blinders about stuff like that it's like there are places And the thing is, they're allowed to. And this poor girl in Iran, she's just dancing. Religious zealotry. You have, And that doesn't, the motivations are the same. They can very, very much so. even interpretations of doctrines in certain ways. They've done the same thing.

1:20:19 You didn't have six-ton trucks to drive into a crowd. That's just technology. It's it helps it They can't get away from you much more easily. It's directly responsible for the rise in these school shootings. There's terrible child rearing. while you're out where you're away from it if people are fucking with you at school is essentially in real life being told fuck you every day all day feeling like the whole world thinks fuck you how would you know that but

1:24:17 There's not a whole lot of data on long-term use of these SSRIs over 20, 30, 40 years. Correct. Well, you know what? If you live in a city of 5 people you probably know 150 people if you live in a city of five million people you probably know 10 people you know you know people you work with you might Yes. Jesus does not like butt fucking. Speaking butt fucking let's talk about usada yeah

1:26:46 What happened? And by the way, it barely works. This wouldn't do anything for you. The company has these vats that they mix everything in, and they don't properly clean the vats. And that's what USADA thought it could have been at first. I had had a fight in September of 2016 against Arlovsky. So this is post-testing positive? here moving there whatever which is your prerogative right as a human being and they

1:29:42 But what is your home base? So you have to give them a detailed itinerary of every day, But you know, when I get home, you test me wherever you want. I don't know how how what mechanical elements within their So he's going to be real hard to get a hold of. And you told them where you were They still showed up at your house Yeah, so it's stuff like that. How about them apples?

1:32:10 and they test me again. Like, alright, They're there. So you can't say, hey, you guys are going to have to You're not going to. randomly. I suppose they could, they could make an argument in some way on that. But if you have Right. All these tests over all these years, me being the first person to do complete out of competition I tested positive for anabolics in the past.

1:34:43 You could still buy all this shit over the counter that by oh four got reclassified as steroids i remember i was taking You used to be able to buy a lot of stuff. But so, you know, there was a whole different era. I've passed all my tests. But I know that with this brand of Tribulus I had taken, I had taken three or four different other supplements from the same company and all passed no problem on their test.

1:36:32 So then they come back and they're like, oh, you tested positive for this. I'm like, well, that ain't fucking possible. So then we're in contact with USADA throughout the entirety of this. So we don't ever break some promotional stuff, They test the secondary batch. them so what is the protocol if someone tests positive for something that's a tainted supplement

1:38:48 And this is coming from someone who's in the supplement business. I tried to corner Travis Brown because I was training him, and they wouldn't let me. the event and this is after the fact where you brought them the supplements, they independently verified that it was tainted? Like what you did with Means and these other people, you punished them. There is no, i'm not even

1:41:07 that didn't involve you. That was the affliction card, right? It's just like at some point, everything turned and changed. Their tone contamination I think the way you saw to looks at it and it's an easy way to go about it is There's not like a very strict protocol that they must follow for tainted supplements or for this or for that. process of finding out whether this is contamination or what have you, doing any testing. And that

1:43:48 Well, that's going to cost more money out of my pocket. but I can also understand how it's not – there's probably not an easier way to go about it. to keep it within this boundary and this realm and this and I'm like well you can't fucking try to say the levy this against me and then you stuff from my No, they had definitions in the emails with back and forth with my manager.

1:45:46 we kept pushing it back and pushing it back and, how could we approach it without having to spend money on having lawyers get And we, I just sit back and I go, I won't accept any ruling if it's a punishment at all. I don't That's a proven fact. That's enough. no it's just no you still levied a punishment in there to say that look how we caught this guy and

1:48:00 And someone from the arbitrator's office who we were dealing with calls us out of the blue and goes, so you still – sure you don't want to do this? Right, that's not the case. They can't have, it doesn't, they can't force you to argue in a certain. yeah, Lawyers, they literally say, we put this in to give you leverage. I don't think you necessarily want that, but we're looking out for your best interests.

1:49:45 But that's the world we live in. And they're like, if you want to do this, you can. Yeah, because at the very least, I thought maybe I could have some sort of record down of what we talked about, what was discussed, the arguments made. And I'm just sitting there listening to the USADA side going, man, he's just pushing, he's just moving the goalposts.

1:51:20 When you're saying this, you know, consider the people who listen at home, don't really I kept this. it's just they kept trying to say to check against ingredient lists, It's just that kind of shit. So USADA ultimately, even though they knew that you took a tainted supplement that had but he notified us of retirement right after the positive sample was collected,

1:54:24 as a banned substance-free like Onnit supplements are. Rules say they didn't have to after time to file expired. for Rison with my athlete, Somebody pulls you over. I didn't bring a cup. He produced Icarus, the movie on, on doping. But it doesn't matter. anything I could that was within What do they do? It just means like – Right. and you know this claim by nowitzki that we were out of no we were always in touch nowitzki doesn't

1:58:11 But, I mean, it's just – the presentation is a bit of a misnomer, I think. that I think they're concentrating more on encouraging fighters to train and fortify their body with nutrition correctly So is he misinformed? and she was grilling him. I think in the Gomi fight, he might have been high as fuck. tested um and you know i know a lot of people like to say that he's a cheater there's a lot of this

2:00:54 full of illegal shit that you're not supposed to take. Right. They can tell just by the numbers. and the heavyweight championship, you know, and a spectacular fight by DC. Look, whatever the fuck he took, dick pills, it's not making him a better fighter. And so that's – it's like there was this negotiation. And that's what killed me was that, in my opinion, USADA was trying to win.

2:04:13 Because looking – making a mistake on a bureaucratic level makes it seem like, okay, well, fuck. So no drug testing is bad like do we are we not allowed to take anything? You know what I mean? You take some bad kangaroo meat. positive tests in the UFC. Junior Dos Santos, Almeida, Yeah. Hydrochlor or something. Does diuretics make you look good? John Bones Jones,

2:07:01 of heavyweight and light heavyweight. Is he responding to somebody? Was it a steroid? i don't want to hear oh he got toothpastes from china and had fucking something in it you remember Toxic toothpaste made in China, found in the U.S. I don't know. A store in Maine. Why wouldn't you need antifreeze? I'm 100% for testing Oh, propylene glycol? Yeah. A little propylene glycol?

2:09:41 cleanup it was everywhere and and even then going into the Nevada state athletic commission previous to So, mean there is not a goddamn drug testing agent alive that would have been I mean, it's interesting, like, Brock Lesnar being back. Even when he was a 205 pounder, right, Yeah. I'm a big fan. Number one was, And then Overeem, I mean, Francis, and anger that has caused my fans, coaches,

2:13:22 All I can do now is prove myself This is like I'm owning him. And, you know, the first fight back after a KO loss or after getting dominated, what is that feeling like? You've been knocked out. you've fucking seen it all you've literally seen all. How long do you think you can do? You know, 455 Pontiacs don't get built and put into 75 Trans Ams for our Firebirds for free.

2:15:32 This isn't a money thing. And we also work a lot with Chad George. Like northern Orange County, I would say. They are fucking super nice. it's just about trying to help people achieve, Bro, are you a poet? can affect the people around you and you don't want that. I think that UFC gym is a brilliant thing. Oh, nice. Yeah. manage and run those programs yeah and with me being as busy as I am,

2:19:18 Yeah. I can't think about exchanging bad moments for different moments in my life again doing it all over again if you're going to become if you're going to be Sisyphus, you better like push on a You hope not. That everything in your life, every mistake, every choice you make, if you do not do the correct thing, he believed that you would have to come back again and do it all over again exactly the same way.

2:21:21 But here's my question. You know? Brenda and Eddie were the popular studies I like Billy Joel, but when living right now is fine for most of us? It's a strange thing. happen like that? How could you? Well, there was a, uh, I got, I wish I could remember who it was. There was this philosopher who was saying that if you were given the ability to absolutely and utterly control your dreams in all aspects and elements of it.

2:24:02 don't know what's going to happen at all. that you can enter into this state that it's not a place that you can exist at all the time. Like it's just not possible. But when you reach it, it's as if you are so I believe that, that war is a similar place. You don't think something isn't this or that. anymore. and the preparation is all-consuming. I don't think you ever will because I feel like part of what makes what you do and what all fighters do so intense

2:29:07 relationships really yeah and then they wife swap because the idea was that they know that their life of their their realization that what joy they may be able to derive from them specifically is Yes. I'd be driving around. It's enjoyable. There is no item. I don't like to think about them being lost, destroyed. this or whether or not I can do that. It's like, I'll do it when I need to do it. And I have to

2:33:10 because it'll move you towards And you're giving weight to these things and allowing them to have an effect on you. a third world country, and it will be jarring. It will be difficult. There'll be some lament, repackage your fucking thoughts and now move forward with the knowledge of the mistakes I mean, we have pressures in other ways, but ultimately, most of us are living quite comfortable lives with no immediate dangers and no real impetus to put stress on ourselves where it doesn't exist at times. Because let's just say you want to learn a new language.

2:36:36 Yes. Learning in relationships. I've always said to friends of mine, the first time they have a all just you know humping and drinking and going out and that's great fucking wonderful but when And if you haven't experienced that in your life and also an experience in a relationship, man, you might not be ready. of problems of difficulties from from great to small and you your way of of mitigating those

2:38:37 We got to do this more often. Bye everybody.