Joe Rogan Experience #10041 — T.J. Dillashaw & Duane Ludwig Transcript

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0:00 Yes, sir. Master Splinter. I got to step up my game. Let's go. Yes, that's why I don't teach the kids. We have a separate room for the kids' classes. That's smart, man. Yeah, no, you are. Yeah. You get fired up. Yes, that's why I don't teach the kids. I watch you on the Instagram. Going through drills. Man, I love it. I love, I mean, obviously, none of his you like, holy shit. Yeah. All starstruck and weirded out. Going through drills.

1:13 But, yeah, working out with a guy that's never had a real fight before, you know, I mean, Good point. To where there's people you shouldn't be sparring with that it happens you You know, there's so many different approaches to training fighters. trainer blowouts when they separate and talk shit about each other like your system how you have all these different things worked out like these aren't like just

3:52 interest to just start categorizing everything put things into a system and it helped out and We need to change that. I don't ever have the same combo. And there was a bunch of people at the table. His eyes are moving around back and forth. That's how nervous he is. And now that place is fucking mobbed and you're expanding. under the bmt umbrella and it's a good way to give back and basically relive another career for the most part

6:35 like i can't like if i'm not completely like full blown into it i mentally am fucked when i get home It is. So that crazy attention and just the shit talk and the TV show, Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. I was right. I mean, that's why I made the decision. I'm definitely, you know like I sold my house bought uh went up to Colorado like I dropped everything and went

8:44 I've known since I was a kid I was going to be a world champion and have my own academy in Colorado. The Training Lab. I've gone, like I said, I'm always full blown. Like we do it out of his garage. I'm the strongest and fastest I've ever been old, you know 32 Like I went full – I went so full-blown that I created my own like spice company around his diet.

10:54 Like right now I probably walk up 150 this morning. I'm the best, you know. But when it comes to nutrition, like what is different? Really? Dude, I love it. Being a father's grace. I remember you made a comment before saying that there was an old banana or a fresh banana or something, right? that's what i drive a freaking subaru car because it's got five star crash rating good in the snow

13:34 You put in a $1,000 deposit, and then you've got to wait for a while for it to be built. Everywhere. I've had three Lexuses. Never's stop fucking around. They never break. Fucking Japanese cars, man, they never, Perfect. other cars you get in, Put black tape over it. Dude, I love it. Doesn't it? Look at that fucking thing. So off the start They look like a car

15:24 I mean they stopped making The second generation shit's from the future. It took them a long time to create that car. Okay. Like if you buy, I think it had 270 horsepower. It's like a sophisticated sound. that car is made and designed in the United States. But it's also like the parts. is going to shift their factories to have that much responsibility.

17:18 Fuck that job. He's still on the roll. Or is he going to be like, fuck you. Yeah. I don't know enough about this. she remembers all of it I'm like okay I guess you're right That's how I am. Because if I was only thinking about MMA, I would not be here. Jumping on my Malibu boat in my backyard in Colorado and wake surfing and just getting out. Didn't have a cell phone reception, nothing.

19:50 That's mountain hunting. They realized these high-altitude cattle herders were realizing that their cows were more active when they were eating these certain mushrooms. All cordyceps mushrooms are grown that way? Okay. Oh, my God. So that's how cordyceps mushrooms are grown. I thought it would have a caterpillar in there. It's like one extra push. So everyone's got a different supplement plan because he does a hair analysis from us and decides.

22:27 So my supplement base would be different than Dwayne's. Was there an example of things you didn't – you have too much of? Yeah, so I think it's – it could be from my tattoos as coming out of the water. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it's all right. And he's all covered in tattoos. Cilantro is good for heavy metals, getting a detox. So it comes out in like pimples.

24:21 How weird. Right. And then he adds like the certain amino body – or muscle building and ubiquinol and the Whoa. It reminds me a lot of what I'm seeing at least of Marv Marinovich's type training, a lot of plyometrics, a lot of things along those lines. So he gets a report every morning of how – Really? Without Sam, that fight may have been different.

27:01 So a combination of the science of stem cell and Dr. Neil Rorden as well as Maura here. you got um for our recovery i mean mainly it's just a lot of most of the time taking the time we'll do, what is it, CVAC or something like that. So it's something he's told me now that like we're going to add this now. What about massage? And then a lot of the mat, like the stretching, kind of like a-

29:07 He is by far the best massage therapist I've ever come across. It's how you're going to feel afterwards. weak before I even let him know before the massage kind of thing. What's going on with your shoulder? There's that sixth sense for sure. and go, oh, you've got a tear. without me even telling him. back up. Good. I've had my neck who learned about it in a seance.

31:39 Is that what it is? I've had over 100 fights or whatever and had my neck jacked up and wrestling and shots. lot of chiropractors that are really good physical therapists, too. I'm going to crack your neck and you're not going to have bad breath anymore. There are levels. Like somebody really digging their elbow into your tissue and loosening everything up.

34:01 He probably doesn't have it in his mind. You have anything that's knotted up and really bothering you, you got to hammer it with that I mean, it's just the same kind of motor that's going up and down. doing camp, do you move probably should. out nine weeks before the fight. Maybe ten? But it worked out well. I just feel like I'm in the corner. I got about 30 seconds to talk and relay information,

35:55 higher percentage drills and combinations that have been proven to be successful well how about And I feel I understand TJ and I could give him the proper information for the proper time. that's for sure but I was going back to earlier traveling out here three days a week and back and then going back to what we need to work on. It's fun. Mouse in particular that's he's another one I mean there are unquestionably

38:18 it kind of happened this time. have steve martin a relationship between me and one archuleta that i'm making money off him you know what i mean because No, we were just beating each other. we were sparring four or five days a week being a coach, Daryl Christian we're in Anaheim Dan Lambert did all this before anybody. Yeah, he's been into that. Right.

42:01 You can see it, though, with the drills and the Dutch drills and just the drilling in general, how caring somebody is, right? Yeah, it's a sport that attracts people who are troubled. when you would find out more about them, Yeah. and being around people. yeah yeah like to the extreme to where like what come on colby's hilarious i don't know i think

43:55 So if it would have been a Democrat in the office, he'd be a Democrat. the videos on the internet internet guy I'm sorry Watch it. Thank goodness This is a long compilation of it. This is a different guy? because if he would have won the belt, That should have been That's it. Yeah, Is this another one? I'm here to fuck your wife. I ain't scared. No, they're funny. He's a mean stealer oh shit okay let's all right kill

46:51 Yeah. get them out of position Did he say Tyrone? I said Tyrone. from watching the videos I'm curious to see He's coming in with his strongest punch, his cross, And Rory McDonald was the only guy to shut that down. It was just shocking to me that Darren didn't know what to do when he was on his back. level change blended together but i was just um like till didn't understand that darce was coming

49:38 check check and know all these basics should be covered before you go fight yeah that's the beauty He's like, you know, here's the striker. Right. So you need to have a – if that's the case, you know, have a coach that's willing to – that you trust to do that for you. Is it better for you to fight someone like cody that you have all this I'm very competitive. So it's something you have to learn how to control and i've had to do that throughout my career um and i think everyone has to learn to control either

51:58 TJ does better in the cage than he does in the gym. and just realized, fuck this shit, man. that's being talked about. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. changing my macronutrients and uh my supplement like just going full bore like i was able to start Yeah, my coach always wants this last fight The day of, I'd say 30 minutes. cutting too much weight that could definitely be a possibility you know for sure i mean he's huge till's a big guy to get down to 170 yeah yeah i mean that is the it's trying to find the right balance where you're

54:50 I'm the better athlete. I don't take any shortcuts. He can't have an immediate rematch. I mean, they didn't like, they didn't say that, you know what I mean? right to drop a division of the bigger man He really is. But when you saw him and Demetrius together, I mean, he's a much bigger person. Yeah, Cejudo. Yeah. and it's already hindered their careers because you're having those all-out spars.

57:46 Yeah. Sannibal? It's not brand new. But with those, they're puffy around the knuckles, but you can still grip with them. Right. so sparring hard because you do have to spar hard, to the body and that's one thing i'll say you get hit hurt to the body and you know work out of that that allow you to absorb punches or kicks better? And then just having a stronger core in general.

1:00:57 is everything what kind of exercises are you doing for that this is endless i mean a lot of medicine I've never gone as hard as this guy pushes me ever in my life So if I fight 25s, I'll be doing a lot of road work, running, swimming. are too tight you tell them that and, and they're like, what? And how long has this guy been doing this? started helping out so that's why it's called the training lab as well as

1:03:20 And he was in the UFC at the time. And now it's come full circle and now he's our coach again. You know, you got to know how to punch. up with a thing called combat jiu-jitsu, which is sort of an intermediary step between regular How to do it You could hit them Yeah I mean you could Yeah, so here it is. changes when it's an actual fight and you have punches, right? You want to watch attacking those legs. That's where the whole ankle attacking the leg situation changes

1:05:22 Well, he stopped at least one person with just the slaps, Yes. wake-up call and just getting fucking hammered in the head it's like uh our instructor at our wrestling or do you go different places for your jiu-jitsu how do you do it uh the only thing i do um not at my gym is my jiu-jitsu i go to Dude, I'm just so happy for him. It's like, dude, this is our journey though.

1:07:58 If there was any sort of conflict or you got to be number one or you don't want to listen to him, I'm going to do what I want to do today. You don't think so? going up to colorado and training at altitude i felt like my body wasn't recovering i was And so they're thinking if you go down to sea level you're going to have more oxygen to transport but

1:10:03 I've tried one. I see what you're saying. but I'll be fighting at sea level. That's just what I was told. because I was born that that motherfucker was dead tired so let's go guys like Kyle Vita make my head hurt It's a pretty small group, and it's growing now he's got see cub one aaron pico syed um spike i don't know i'd say we're probably got like

1:12:48 And I thought he won the world title when he beat me. He's hungry. Because he had so much hype behind him, and he got cracked and submitted quick. Yeah. But it just shows you that everybody can get caught. Yeah, two fights. Yeah, you've got to be ready. And then you start worrying about the for it and you can feel it, but he finds it every time. Oof. Yeah, you got to be ready.

1:14:41 He just got caught. in competition with Bellator. of great fighters over there man i mean i love the fact that rory mcdonald's over there that It's like an old-school UFC. love it if it was a full rival like Pride versus Conor McGregor MMA style, Bellator and then they have some giant And when it's more competitive, they try harder to do a good job for the athletes, make it

1:16:49 way better for fighters. I don't think It does. Bad judging happens all the time. Yeah. four bad decisions. and pass the test or not judge the fight or let a fight go through and let Oh no, please go. Because they'll be afraid of being called out, too. Yeah, he is. Yes, sir. than three judges. That way, if you really got a 5-5, that's a real draw. you're better off arguing for a draw

1:19:51 and you're like, how? It's a draw, overtime. I'd be like, that'd be cool as shit. You're standing like, The audience would go nuts. That'd be cool, man. It should be a 10-minute round, too. Yeah, you think that's a big factor, right? He is why wondering him stops him everyone is going crazy and look at Trevor Trevor just sitting Woodley cried when he got his black belt.

1:21:56 That felt more to him than winning. I feel like there's three guys in the running. Period if you want to fight Wonderboy, you think you're gonna go crazy and charge at him. Good luck. Yeah, good idea That's a good question. hard to maintain endurance which I kind of think everybody has to do now, right? how many days a week are you working out? Right now at Sam's, it's not like

1:24:40 or do you just try to do no-gi But I don't use it. you in certain directions crazy shit that they do they pull your your thing out your lapels out Like if you get locked up in an armbar, you can't just explode out of things. coat yeah winter dude imagine what ronda rousey could do to someone who had a winter coat on yeah That'd be great. Yeah, Flavor Republic.

1:27:32 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's all wood. It's natural wood. just like the Traeger has. and you can snap them with your fingers. great that's why like they have different pellets for different tastes and you can taste the Go to the fucking app. Oh, man. Dude, he's living the life, man. He's a good dude. It was nice to see him come back and come back with a beautiful knockout.

1:30:23 with your bow I live for it. I love it so much. like once you taste that natural wild meat you go oh man and just learning how much healthier it is even more those backcountry hunts man people are starting to catch on to what an adventure that is And they're realizing this, especially high country mule deer, which is insanely difficult getting this giant deer they're probably 300 pounds they have enormous antlers i mean mule deer have

1:33:09 2 3 pointers and a big 4 pointer Like their DNA. It's really interesting, man. loved it i still came i was like i'm glad i did it you know hiked my ass off was out there my Yeah. So it kind of like downloads the area where you're at. out for you that way. There's really like a science to mule deer hunting. in the middle of the day at 12 o'clock you you have to spot them with your binos laying down

1:35:56 uh to heat it up yeah to be able to heat it up but yeah i know where the water holes are i always But if you're out and about and you only have a canteen on it, you'll fill it up, throw an iodine pill in it and shake it around. real it looks like you know you find like a mountain lake up there like this isn't even real house for the last camp, actually.

1:37:31 But I eat the same meals as him. I got to lead by example, and I love it. I don't just stand there either. I mean, you could be champ, champ, champ. I've gotten up to 158 pretty solid before I went down to 35. in at around 85 pounds oh jesus how crazy is that he's ortega's big too man big dude he's a big dude And a good thing, too, is that I always train at the weight I'm going to be in the night of my fight.

1:40:06 go through all this emotional shit with leaving alpha male, but the results prove themselves that and to make sure that's not the case. Well, have you seen that really across the board? aired i think 2012 so you think about that that's not that long ago we're talking about six seven are now coaches it just makes it more legit and you have more science and the ways to train behind

1:42:39 It really is. Yeah. and being able to do that. and defensively during the change of the stance as well that people – Yeah. drills going. When you think of sports, it's ESPN. They're going to get a chance to see guys like you, real high-level fighters. and all the fuck one of my Japan K-1 trips You know, they and you as well, Mr. Rogan, I felt like in the second fight he knew you were going to fuck him up before the fight even started to evolve yeah he didn't evolve um

1:46:15 of not only hyping the fights up but making people knowledgeable of MMA. I really don't. could fix the entire system I don't think they care. Rate them like an Uber driver? Some people think a guy takes you down. No matter he's on top you win yes you know well i feel like well they've said it's gonna not matter as much now but if you do if you take down you have no damage like you take down

1:48:13 standing up and there's a lot of judges that think He trapped him with the foot and hammerfished him. I don't remember who that was. Yeah. In that position, it's a good place to be. He KOed Josh Barnett. He KOed Josh Burnett. You're sharp. No, I have it at my house. Some people. There's a lot of biological variability. It's got some DMT in it, a little bit of alpha brain.

1:51:03 supplements and stuff. He's got like a tackle box. I do, i do man like when i travel now it's like i have a whole suitcase Drink all those freeze-dried. it's just like i'll have one bad meal i'm like oh fuck i shouldn't have done that you know like like i had a mountain dew after the fight and i feel i feel like hung over the next day Especially in high doses.

1:53:08 Easy Lifts up your belt Me too. There's no change in your sugar levels. Is there any concentration on different kinds of greens? Because if it's something fast like a blender, it kills a lot of the nutrients. Something about how your body breaks it down. We do, uh, yes, we have to have to do a certain kind of MCT oil. I'd have to get salmon here. I can't imagine how you could be.

1:56:15 with the green juice? better off when you're taking something that's as nutrient dense as juice cold pressed juice map all that stuff maps all that out and depending where i'm at and how my body's recovering um They're not taking in any carbohydrates. Did you tell Jordan Peterson that? that are allergic to almost everything. But I think there are a few people amongst us,

1:59:29 weight back to the weight it was when he was 25 years old i just don't think it's a viable or I mean, they say it could be from the stem cells too, be bad for your like you would think so how brock lesnar got hurt right i didn't say yours brock got My dog. I really feel like if Brock Lesnar had just gone from amateur wrestling. He already has an incredible resume for a guy that was a WWE star, a multi-millionaire

2:01:49 I mean, beat Mark Hunt. Yeah. You saw it was about to come in. or something This is what I heard. I'm feeling better. I'm looking City right now. Sam with an awesome. has got me like ready Yeah. old now I mean He's only 40? Yeah. Heck yeah. So being the CEO of TJ Dillashaw and deciding, It's the variability. But if you catch it right away, no matter what, your body is always going to do peaks and valleys.

2:06:23 night certain things in the morning depending on what it's supposed to do for me. Like my, my ornithine, my glycine and my tryptophan I take a night before out to where you know you're going to see the test you know you're going to see what he's doing and people from that i connected so my watch is connected to my phone. Okay. And then Sam is logged in.

2:08:00 Mine. Oh, yeah. Yes. But work hard when you're working, but know when to not work. fight camp that's all i did right but now going with sam and having these days off i get to spend I mean, it's always changing. to where I'm breathing in that for an hour a day. And that's, I'm, I'm going anywhere to like 40,000 feet, you know, but So maybe I've hit hard ground and pound.

2:11:37 you longer to get to that point so when you're doing strength and conditioning work you're the hardest I've ever worked on I'd be like, let's hit the garage, My girl just called me. I'm like, fuck, I could just keep going. developed depending on person to person who needs more skill right um and who's obviously you never No, you are. and that's the thing too is that at our team,

2:13:48 Like we're all on the same schedule so that we know that maybe Wednesdays are our active recovery. camp does it dude he's like my life coach Have they talked to you about fighting on ESPN? watch you because you're you you know and uh i've just continued to fight my fucking ass off and and I mean, I know it's fun. like the real kind of gladiator shit well it's definitely building for you now you know i mean

2:16:16 Yeah. I was like, fuck, of course. let them be fucking assholes and then come around and have a bite them in the ass. me taking PEDs compared to what's actually going down. we didn't have a coach because duane left right so i'm i'm running the kickboxing classes duane Like, that's a lot of pressure, you know? They don't know what shit I have to do to be the world champion.

2:19:24 have all this angst and you know they're – their bodies are anxious and they're filled with fucking testosterone. think things through better. Hell yeah, I do. hopefully beautiful yeah i'll tweet that let people hell yeah man beautiful yeah it'll be i I'm kind of running with that. only 10 people can come, and you come and stay with me, champ camp is something i want to do as well and i want to start creating and i want to create

2:22:12 no secrets It's awesome to see. And please tell people where your academy is in Colorado. coming out as well everything of course