Joe Rogan Experience #10044 — John Kavanagh & George Lockhart Transcript

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0:00 Here we go, four, three, two, boom, George Lockhart, John Cavanaugh, how are you folks? Obviously, hugely disappointed that we didn't get the result on the night um i still enjoyed it i thought it was a great fight but I guess it was official about 10 weeks out Was there anything that was surprising in the fight? Yeah, just, you know, and to kind of go back to the stool, you know, really tired.

2:13 figured it would be there again same plan. So that was a bit more than we hoped for. But you know, to eloquent the fight, if you look at that, Yeah, he has such a unique ability to tie both legs up with his legs. Yeah. Not until the last 30 seconds or so Yes, sir. You work with him on his weight cut? He was about 171 when he got back into that cage.

5:12 15-ish pounds. He's a big fella. No, I mean, I'll never be like, you know, weight cutting is the healthiest thing in the world. no degree in actual weight cutting you know i started on the marine corps and uh um i was a You look at the NSCA, you look, PubMed and all these other things. we work with over 200 UFC fighters. It changes, you know, based on, you know, how much they need us.

8:20 Yeah. In terms of workout, that's a big one for him. So, you know, the fact that he actually is like, okay, I just need to monitor what I'm taking pre-post-workout makes life easy for me. And then they actually started something called the Combat Conditioning Program, What do I do? o'clock in the morning you have to have a totally different diet you know like we we feed people

11:39 you know like type timing portion size hormone because, you know, if you look at all diets, they, they all work. All diets will work. and someone getting up at 8? Like what would be a typical breakfast meal? And then once they start working out, then depending on the workout, then that's when we start giving them more starches and stuff like that. what we'll do is everything is actually like a formula.

14:11 uh i believe and then um look at the formula we basically divide that by uh 200 and multiply that actually feed the body differently every single every single workout right so we'll take that So you find out the amount of calories this individual is burning. But if you are able to actually access more, um, actually, um, use more than one, um, transporter

16:48 right? So if you use more than one of these transporters at a time, you activate these What's going to help insulin be transported? You put those together. of a green tea type uh caffeine but yeah i mean the funny thing is like it's shown that caffeine just talk to you. You know, they need to be rehydrated. like holy crap well it's a relatively recent thing right i mean think about it with wrestling i mean

20:16 That's it. a hundred percent, like, yeah, you need an IV, but they have over 30 hours to rehydrate the body. Oh, omega-6 is bad. potassium comes out. and then what did they have? Right. I know there's Dolce. I've, I always tell people, what? want to help you i don't want to help you out you know i'm saying like that people actually like ah Like, oh, he's using your rehydration.

24:17 what the fuck? And I'm like, fucking start eating fucking salt. You'll see me. It's such a crazy thing that you've got these super They don't really have a strict protocol. You're like, he's fucking big as fuck. Like we, you know, we, Demi Lovato and shit like that. And I know my voice, there are people like, good, you're going to have subtitles on this?

27:13 I mean, he's got veins coming out of his fucking muscles that are just like garden hoses. You get a photo of the guy. and he's he's in his 60s wow yeah so you. So you see that. Well, that's what I look like without my shirt, Joe. Yeah. Fuck everybody. I'm like, because that's fucking, that's asinine. body holds and how much water that is attached to that glycogen.

30:15 You want to hear you know, But, dude, I'm like, hey, man, I want to either A, be there to be like, in the last 30 minutes. With UL... Yeah, the commission in New York put him off. You know I'm saying what he wants a quote That ain't shit. And I'm like, how in the fuck is that 185 pound man he is a straight And he fucking butt ass naked, man. I'm losing my man card tonight, but you know what?

33:24 what are the odds that someone turns out like that you know of all the all the guys who like So that is him back in the day when you had to cut actual weight for the weigh-ins. And they test that shit out of that dude. It doesn't make any sense. I do. You know how this game goes. for not feeling like you're a piece of shit right you know and i think there's something to that

35:43 You feel like kind of a weasel. I am fucking learning and growing with this guy. I mean, TJ right now, he defended his title, beat Cody twice, one of the best in the world. I ever worked with was Brian Stan. You know, me and him He's just all around amazing. He doesn't have options. And I'm like, I hate hanging out with you, bro. But at the end of the day, man, you're built like a goddamn T-Rex.

37:58 And that's what I was doing in the Marine Corps. So how would you dial that in based on body fat, based on just how much mass they're carrying If you have somebody that's a recon marine, they're going to have basically We feed it the fucking fat. ah, dude, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. uh you know do you know lane lane norton yeah well, I did see that. Super smart guy.

40:41 But certainly in terms of your energy level, your ability to perform without. He needs output quick, fast in a hurry. like, This road is too long. What is your activity level? I tell you, in your gas tank Your body's using fuel It's so simple. I mean, honestly, they can have whatever they want at the right fucking time. For you to fucking replenish what you need, you'd need 200 grams of carbohydrates just

43:23 I don't know why I'm so tired. Fructose, dextrose, caffeine, and salt. Yeah, because in terms of transporters, that is one that activates. Just give me a number. Yeah, that's negating a lot of other fucking things, I'm telling you. I was on the elliptical machine for 15 minutes. So in what form? Problem is like people like nowadays are like, You know, insulin, is insulin bad for you?

46:00 Right. consistent on 10 of the diet you know what i'm saying like um so at the end of the day like It's going to activate those transporters, and your body's going to use them. So if someone doesn't have a sweet tooth, but you just they say, hey, what should I use to replenish my glycogen? I know a lot of guys are doing that. 90% of the fucking casein, protein, like again, it's's stupid it's asinine you know like casein protein like

49:20 never i'm a never never guy like i'm never going to say never. You know what I'm saying? Because depending on your lifestyle, if you're sedentary and you don't do anything that's anaerobic, They're down to the weight they were when they were 21, and they feel fantastic. You know, like 40% of calories from protein are actually used in the breakdown of protein so if i eat 100 calories

51:08 And eating is a big part of trying to heat up because your body starts generating heat to try to break down the food that you're taking in right yeah you know there's so much that we look at like you know 10 of your metabolism actually comes from breaking down food 10 that's a fuck ton of calories man that's a lot body's like, hmm, are we going to break down food

51:53 A large percentage of that is actually used to break down foods. Yeah. Timing is everything. It's basically just a simple sugar. It goes that way. It moves towards you. It goes back. of people are like oh that means i'm 180 pounds of muscle no that actually means only 40 of that is actual lean muscle tissue now each kilogram of lean muscle tissue holds

55:06 Yeah. Your body cannot be anabolic and catabolic It's impossible. Well, impossible over a long period of time, you're saying? You can lean out, right? Yeah, seriously. If anybody says otherwise, they're full of shit, and they're on an infomercial. Your body fat percentage can go down. oh, And then you coordinate his meals accordingly? Do you still work with Cyborg?

58:00 You know what I mean? There's a 145. Right. I think we got a little bit too close. right right yeah who's the hardest that you've ever had to lose weight to do this, do we? Right, right. Yeah. He's 6'4", come on, man. Jesus Christ. Like you got to figure out when do you hit that point. You know, like him and fucking, you know, so many motherfuckers.

1:00:44 We're talking about, like, the big about the big beef, big motherfuckers. A lot of guys will work with us when they have to make weight. Well, he's a guy who fought at 155 when he really was 155. He's getting more and he was champion at 155 I fucking love Frankie. Right. You know what I mean? You kind of have to be, right? Yeah, I'm going to little slut that goes from one room to the next. You know what I mean?

1:02:39 And then you work with another guy. So that's why they're okay with it. Because chances are we work with him. He's a tough motherfucker. but you know, What you don't realize is you got your renin, know angiotensin aldosterone system that's fucking Blood pressure starts dropping. we're going to start drinking water early how long have you been working with connor

1:05:35 There was no sessions where he didn't have to pop in his shots or soreness. He looked like a zombie. Because when he joined, he was sort of a scrawny 16, 17-year-old. 125, we would have done it. weigh-ins. He looks heavier. rather than kind of gym hopping, is going to be spent on the fundamentals of MMA. We're still, he's firing his brain in different ways.

1:08:24 Because it breaks the monotony. Now how much does training But, yeah, definitely, maybe talk about it later. is the fence takedowns he hit on Conor um definitely for this training camp it was the most specific that we went Because we were so specific for this one. it would be a huge fight you know the rematch would be a huge fight you know, at the time.

1:11:44 Yeah, of course, of course. And is that a problem in that, you know, what I thought after the fight, Yeah. Yeah, you know, at his early stages, he was fighting all the time. get everything locked in you know 100 but but you have to factor in his personality. Right. and then such a grappling heavy contest. I want a fucking tune-up fight. Did you not see that fight?

1:15:16 dylan dennis at home yeah he's grounded yeah so with what would you do differently um like i said from it from a strategy point of But this one just didn't seem to be landing. on his ability to land those shots. Conor gets a hard time about I mean, that was what he was trained for. anybody how much how much is too much in regard to training for a fight like this like maybe

1:17:49 They've given their best rounds in the gym. we don't have it we got to have a solid taper off period and that is hard when you're dealing with in a somewhat limited period of time. I mean, they held both guys' purses, correct? And not just so we can get a rematch. It's not the end of the world. but I'm guessing here. Oh, okay. when your mind went in and hit him from behind. Yeah. You know, I can't understand that.

1:20:41 Now, I was standing beside Dylan. Probably. I mean, it sells a fight. It ramps up your stress. khabib's saying this this this sport should be about respect you shouldn't be talking about They love the swagger. Yeah. And that's just natural for him to do as well. It's just part of the game for him. I don't really involve myself in it It's absolutely not my personality.

1:24:06 biggest names in combat sports vibe it's a different culture than The object of martial arts, I think, is very different, Do you have guys in the gym that you see that sort of mimic Connor? And you have such a strong personality in the gym. If it's not who you are, even the fans will see it through very quick as well. the fans can see when someone is genuinely doing something and doing it as an act.

1:26:28 Like, say if you got, like, here we are, it's October. you also know there's personalities, you know, really good credentials even almost more important He's got the real slick kind of Russian style of wrestling. things I think they think that would would happen naturally like that I have So that, but for a structured, and he was saying And he would actually warm up with guys he was going to be competing with.

1:29:07 He almost took him down at the start. time gold medalist or whatever and make a big wrestling program that doesn't quite fit in what Right. who were actually we're mimicking as possible Can I ever be the exact guy? No. Yeah. Cursed a lot. You know, your head's down. it's one of the hardest for Habib, you know. coming underneath between Kevin Randleman

1:32:21 and knocks him out He's 15 years sparring almost daily. He's looking to finish. I always say to them it's going to be a fight We have to get a level of training that's going to match the intensity of a contest. The more of that we can do the better I'd have to pull back his sparring judging range He loves sparring. Do you have a set schedule? But if I can get that out, then that's what I'd aim for.

1:35:18 Maybe. and probably the best ever in terms of boxing technique right, you're done. All the best. Enjoy the rest of your life. fights started talking. I don't care what it is. okay, I understand what, you know, that makes sense to do. you know your grandkids are financially set. Is there options here? When he landed that uppercut in the first round what did you think yeah like

1:38:21 When he came back, he did a spar, he went away. It all broke because a picture got leaked. And then back he did a spar he went Paulie did so when he gym because came in And I think there is something being released on Netflix soon, I think it's a three-part documentary that's going to be on Netflix soon. and he was schooling those guys is he just going to get tooled

1:39:55 So my confidence was growing. No one was saying that was a waste of money. doing here than anyone else and it was because his whole career and they were I was like, oh yeah, they do that in the Rocky movies. He's tough as nails. And all of those guys were going, okay, we have a fight in our hands here. that were released For me, round four, And it turned out to be a great

1:42:50 he was talking to the actually bizarrely enjoyed but they love each other. It's absolutely not out of the realms of possibilities. Well, one thing that happened in the fight And Conor did unload a lot on his forearms. You don't throw anything. Pace yourself. He was kind of there's 12 rounds, pace yourself. No clinch work at all. like arm drags and tie ups and stuff.

1:45:49 we didn't get that. is being talked it is yeah that's been going around as well because i talked to dane about That's all it would take. 100%. Zero interest in a hybrid fight. Oh, my God. it would be like will come down Like you said, it changes everything very, very quickly. Just fucked those legs up. agony champ it's just a different pain. glory match or a muay thai it's just crazy how often they get kicked and they just learn how to

1:49:38 And this was just one of them where it come up that there's a possibility of this, I don't think so either. Like I said, it's just one of those things that's thrown out there this can't be good this can't be good you know I was worried about Amanda look wonderful smile Rhonda look over here smile Connor but they steal things No, no. But yeah, because he's obsessed with fighting, he loves fighting.

1:52:35 Just live near the UFC and fight Saturday night, And he wants to get right back in. somewhat and and and the officials decide and who gets the next shot i i'm i only deal with what you Is it going to be so that's how my mind is. He's never going to That's, like in Dublin, you know, where he's from, you can't make a I remember that guy and he's just an unusual package

1:54:41 as fully prepared as he can and he'd be and it would be huge and he I mean that would be and it's it's, there's the history between those two guys. That's exciting. It didn't bother him at all. diaz didn't give a fuck and you could tell he didn't give a fuck it was just so normal for him you know whether it's I certainly don't spar if you had to guess?

1:57:11 Oh, my God. To do two at MSG in a year. And you could do, of course, Vegas anytime. I mean, everybody was so amped up after the fact. Yeah. my art for that that big a deal who's done hard rounds, who's taken some head shots. You can't allow that to happen again. And I really worry about him in terms of him having a visa Okay, let me read it. And Islam Makachev face UFC axe, as Conor McGregor ring attackers revealed.

2:00:49 And then the other guy hit him from behind. Bad stuff. Hey, babe. Just a joke, folks. And thank you, John. You've got a great attitude, man.