Joe Rogan Experience #10049 — Miriam Nakamoto Transcript

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0:00 Here we go. Is this good? I'm sad that you can't sell these snacks everywhere because I know you're working on making these mass produced, but they're fucking fantastic. Yeah. Good to see you. It's so good to see you. I'm sad that you can't sell these snacks everywhere because I know you're working on making these mass produced, but they're fucking fantastic.

0:36 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no. Oh. Knees, when you do like that with your... So, yeah. Yeah. It was like a gooey fluid. Yeah, it was like orthovisc what is that did not help no that was a waste of money that was yeah it was like a like a gooey fluid yeah it was like like padding oh is that what the idea is but what was what was really nice was i got a straight shot of ibuprofen in there

2:45 i just got one super shot well he was right he basically runs almost a marathon a day yeah that's Something's going on, you need... What I noticed when he shot that into my knee, within the next week, over the course of a couple days, I noticed that I had greater range of motion. Yeah. I think it was like $200 or $220 a shot, and I got three of them.

4:53 I mean, some of them have brain damage for sure, Rob's foot looked like and elbows He's fucking brilliant. And he was working with a lot of kickboxers, right you know at the time i was just too i wasn't at that level well you know what the difference is Rob Kamen. It's which is really interesting if you know him now because he's so friendly and yeah yeah yeah huggy

7:39 A lot of kickboxers that do that well my pet peeve with Muay Thai is when they throw punches they kind of come up it's like very You raise up, and then they try to punch in that way. Of course. When they knee, they got to come up. Like you see how Conor McGregor stands. Exactly. So it's different. when they're boxing, Like MMA is such a different thing.

10:58 Yeah. yeah, she is. Yeah, you can move it around. I feel bad for making fun of her. it's like so whatever it is it's a hundred percent And there's something really rare and so powerful. interesting right like when she fights she's a hundred percent committed and violent yeah When you first started fighting, did you just find that inside of you? Like Miriam, when Miriam comes to fight, it's like, oh, she got a little switch in there.

13:52 I always knew that I would always have trouble with girlfriends. Like I was wrestling around with this one woman. You were on the ground? so I was like, okay, I'll wrestle too. get a little drunk or whatever and then they want to wrestle so what i used to do is i used to let that would, the behavior would no I'm like it's not funny i guess so so this i just thought of him and it just made me laugh. Okay.

16:59 took on right on the sack and burst. Because that's like the sack that produces your testosterone. Yay. One point There's so many people It can that's, that's terrible. to determine whether or not a guy's eyes have been compromised by that eye poke. Maybe they should just curve them more. So they're just already ready to, you know, it's perfect. You know how bag gloves, like those old school

19:29 I don't think i'd have a problem with it the real problem is to grab the maybe you know like a wrestler and then i don't know i think the real i think it'd give you more traction honestly the real problem is the pad on the What are these? But those, much more curve to them. Yeah. And there was very few eye pokes in Pride. Pride gloves are better, honestly, quite honestly. Pride gloves really had much more curve to them.

20:24 The Pride glove is your hands curved. So that's a pride glove yeah yeah it's way better it's way better glove Snapping arms. It's just bullshit. Like if somebody axe kicked you. I'm offended. And I'm not great at them. Yeah. Right? Aren't they? There you go. They are very purists. Like, this is the whole reason Jon Jones just kicked the shit out of you from a distance.

23:21 But yeah, I think footwork is the key. Well he fought Masato Yeah he's super sexy Oh, did he? Oh, no, Masato's way better looking Yeah, and he's got that cross dangling super low. That means he's freaky. Does that something any man has ever bravely tried to rock? One time Showing me a belly button ring And you know Goodbye. this it was like But Tom Erickson was a wrestler who was an MMA fighter.

26:11 that Vince Phillips was I don't know. beautiful man perfect bone structure yeah he's ridiculous perfect hair too yes oh yeah oh yeah the across the thigh nut shot. Franz Botha did that too. But I have storage units in my brain and stuff like, He's a South African heavyweight. He's already hurt. 50. I don't think I've ever been knocked out. and falling off a second floor landing when I was a kid.

29:50 He doesn't change. You could hit him in the face with a fucking crowbar Yeah. Yeah, I think, Let me try this shading. but then they stop with their wrestling practice, you can do right now yeah yeah. Yeah. Because I don't, I'm a UFC fighter. like say I'm a world champion. yeah that is what's important you want to be the queen you want to be the top of the hill we want

33:15 like the subtle aspects of boxing and movement and things they're doing wrong. And he gets so much power from his rigidity. Yeah, he's a very physically strong guy, too. Yes. What a fucking crazy fight. Yeah, see. Right. man standing tournament which was a fucking crazy thing to begin with where they were gonna have to Because they were going to war.

35:44 So he's got to move forward. So he comes after Joe. And Joe knows he's got one point down going into a fight that's a draw, so he's got to move forward. There it is. And Simon had So it was a tie going into the fourth. But I thought it was their first fight. I think you're right. I think it's like on a web app or some shit. But does it matter? recent memory or in your memory period when has anyone appealed a decision and won i've never i've never

38:25 how, they're not thinking about that. training that's fucked up though it's like i don't know that's ego like they can't admit that Tanya Eviger wins The other person was a champion for 13 days So what happened? oh man let me make sure this is over with and i need her again but she was like this. And I was like, oh, man, let me make sure this is over with. And I need her again.

41:03 Oh. That's interesting. How many fights did you have in Invicta? I think four. It is a lot. It was a lot of grief. getting that injuring gaining all that weight i was like oh okay who i think i am i no longer have What were you thinking while that time was up? No, you were doing great. 46 years old, fighting world class. 43 when he fought Pavlik. A masterful boxer.

43:58 Until he couldn't help it anymore. Because they just, yeah. I definitely would have liked it Fight the way you're supposed to with your skills. I mean, it's fucking crazy and wild enough. Everybody wants to do their best to gain the most followers and get the most love and get the most applause. You're not really, you can't move the way that made you successful.

46:44 He was a defensive genius olympic gold medalist Right. Like, this is my, you know, yeah. Like, that's how you you impose your will you know But I definitely don't. Everywhere they turn, shut in their face, shut in their face. Yeah. That's another thing you want to make them feel. throw or where they move and that's what i'm gonna throw throw or where they move. And that's what I'm going to throw. I don't think about like, oh, is this going to score?

49:52 Yeah. mean i think muay thai doesn't hurt that much so you're talking about earlier about breaking your I don't think about how it felt. Right. Yeah. That took weeks. had been in one day then jesus christ yeah so they had a day between each and so the pain would set Like, I couldn't roll over in bed. The bruising was behind on the calves. both legs were like that yeah both were like this and you have to fight again yeah that is so do you know wooden man

53:27 Like, it gets through your force shield. And so sometimes your mindset. Do you think it'd be harder to kill someone than to die? Yeah. Because of what I did to you. You know, like, you could kill could kill somebody like you need to think You were aware of all the possibilities. And I started thinking about the death of me. And then I started thinking about what what could happen to me and I think I started thinking about the death of me and then I started thinking about what could happen to my opponent like what's worse than that and I thought about I could

56:52 get the appeal i don't know why you watch it that the reason that one of the reasons there's many I'm kind of weird because I actually get depressed. fights, I wasn't. I've come out of fights This is fucked up. I think I'm more of a champion now than I ever was when I was actively fighting. appreciation or just abuse yeah like i'm not good enough so i'm gonna win this world title and prove

1:00:20 how quickly I take things on, It's your resolve. Right. fight yeah you know even though you won not having satisfying fights because you could feel the flaws I would say the fight She had 58 fights, I think 14 world titles. You know, Kerian said that you were the most talented person he's ever worked with. I mean, that's really, that's amazing stuff.

1:02:46 What am I doing? Let's do it again. He's like, this is the life of a professional athlete. like I could never like oh here alright let's give yourself that credit. It is, right? I know what you mean. I'm not going to, at Gorilla Jiu-Jitsu Great guy, too. He definitely says, like, I need to go to classes, which I absolutely agree with. but i was doing it like every day.

1:05:58 So funny thing is I love heel hooks and I've had four knee surgeries. I mean, it's revolutionized jujitsu, really, Oh, wow. jujitsu guys now that are leg lock transition, which only took place within the last decade. really interesting because all the years that i did jujitsu it took like this transition like And nobody wants to get their legs blown apart in training.

1:08:01 out of people's shoulders. Those toilets are awesome As soon as I sat down, I was like I mean Right now yeah it means you got a bulging disc no that's what it means not all the time though almost Mm-mm. Yeah, it's fantastic. We have pieces of paper. I'll text you all this stuff because I'm a fanatic about helping people with neck injuries mine's weird since i broke my elbow on her head i'm sure yeah it's all that inflammation scar

1:10:49 Is it like Muay Thai? Yeah. And in between is the fucking cord that communicates from your brain all the way down to all your limbs. I'm a whole different mindset. Do the jujitsu hair? but it's itchy you'd look a badass bitch i think rose looks just as beautiful If not more beautiful Doesn't she That's a big part She is Yeah. Like. Right. But the look, it's a different type of look.

1:14:04 Yeah. Well, that's very nice of you. It was last year. i love that guy he he collects he collects he's just like that in person oh i'm sure he's just Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, those places. Yeah, those places. A little bit. Two. He's like, I'm going to learn how to play this. i i don't know that much about it i just remember like everybody had little groups and was like who

1:17:35 Well, I guess I understand it because a really popular school can be incredibly lucrative. Yeah, I'll get you a bunch of places. That would be weird. Well, sometimes it's easy. Crushing him. If you have a good video and a good Even if you're not in a place with a really good jiu-jitsu you can learn but you can definitely pulling into that little Yeah, and it kind of looks like they're going to make out at a high school dance.

1:20:21 It's like, don't kiss him, man. and Rich Franklin just did not know what to do with it. and I go, dude, that's so fucking easy to neutralize. Get out. I don't ever want to watch that again. It's a little too slow. Or me, I'm just watching on the TV. Boom. Yeah, where was his head movement? Some guys are picking up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just watch videos online.

1:23:33 Simon Marcus, number one on Instagram. a junior. As opposed to the Muay Thai style. You see the stiffness. and a brake. mm, mm, uh, uh. And then with that counter, the contradiction, the opposing forces, you allow for the rotation in your feet, you allow for the rotation in your feet Oh, I love Petrosian. And Masato's face. Yeah. Was it Andy Ristie that KO'd him?

1:27:06 fight this is the sour fight this is the sour fight he was so young here mate wow it might not I mean, they do so much drilling. What's going to happen? all the sports at a high level is Um He's so interesting And where you're making mistakes Yeah. Like, look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, first round, too. And maybe it was also a lot of pressure, right?

1:30:50 and they were talking about how they were dealing with their coach, drug use. So it was in the third round. That's part of the problem. Yeah. Speaks Italian. Yeah. He's like, there's fucking jeans down there, right? I mean, Oh, sell everything. not even like uh you know hey baby just like hey you want to just do a thing like just do an the need to prove people the need to show people yeah you know yeah yeah for sure everybody i know that's interesting had

1:34:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know the benefit of being a nice person, like how it makes me feel and how it makes other people feel. I remember one time when you and I were at a Muay Thai event together. When was this? Yes. Right. Didn't Valentina fight in that? Because Fighter fit Yeah distance with cyborg yeah at 145 which is a fucking that's a statement in and of itself yeah

1:37:11 When she fought Two cheap shots A super humble. like workload stress level um expectations you know um obligations and when i saw that way in I'm like, oh, Holly's got this. That's why. Super, Yeah, she was kind of. I don't know. Yeah. You know, and it's like, oh my God, look what she's doing to these women. You know, look, I was a part of it. You think she should?

1:40:44 She deserves better This is what I think No no no no she was running shit the sport passed her by and when you see the one that i was always worried gets them down they're not nearly on the level of an amanda nunez like you're not going to catch her She needed a lot. I mean, Greg Jackson and Jackson Winklejohn, they all figured that out. it's a rough that's definitely like a big who am i moment i think i'm sure yeah well like because

1:43:39 Yes. to get knocked out sure than it is to get like injured out like like tear tear out like still Yeah, so it's more... Like, wow, here's this pretty girl who kicks ass. But then when Ronda came along, it was like this perfect storm. And your arm broke. Not tapping the fuck, man. Yeah, Misha's a badass for that one. Yeah. Well, you were drinking. So how'd you turn it around?

1:47:43 with their symptoms and their quality. what so teaching and helping people yeah what brought it around for you yeah and like seeing It's great. The Uber? Yeah. That's fucking awesome, though. I'm happy I'll cry. belt and that is like all i wanted when i was active fighting five years that's all i fucking no i will take a non-world title fight that pays more over a world title opportunity well are you

1:51:18 shit oh jesus can't pay attention to that well i was like you seem like you're doing a good job of not paying attention to it. I'm microdosing today. Yeah. Really? And then come out of it. I think Dominic Cruz did this, too, where he's just like, you can cry. all right let it go and that's when it came back to me so i don't know do you think that i think

1:54:09 it wasn't like quick cold turkey you know i just like over time as i moved towards the goal of I'm hardworking. Well, then training. You would have polished yourself up a little bit. Yeah. people when they first start out they just do what they're told instead of questioning the concept, questioning the, you know. a fight i'm thinking about his post-fight interview Oh he's fantastic He's amazing Yeah no he's

1:57:50 And this is what's gonna happen Absolutely To get to be able to pick up On the energy and the magic in the room. standing jacked in a six-pack with belts on people don't like tiny men like tiny men like Well, he's as technical as there's ever been. On every, you know what I mean? That is true. Miriam? Of course. Yeah. Andy Ristie's pretty high level too, though.

2:01:19 You should watch the whole fight. I don't know. Like everything Petrosian is like pretty. Giorgio. Fucked him up. You know? You'll get fucked up. where they just like that and rip the head off the chicken well it shows a severe lack of core Okay. You look scary, man. What are you showing me? That is a preposterous neck. Yeah. You are a beta male. Damn long neck.

2:04:36 The dude who's now fighting MMA. No, there's a bunch of pictures of this cat. Yeah, I mean, some people just have huge hands. Look at his neck. But what is going on with that neck? A mom or a dad? And plus got a fucked up neck. Maybe his neck is like genetically fucked up like that. And then they're posing like they're So I had, he has a great boyfriend, but we went out of country.

2:07:26 Whoa. I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. That's the problem They're ruthless And be like gentle I don't get it. they're going to be extraordinarily high as a world champion fighter yeah yeah you're almost better off dating a guy who's like a navy seal or something who can't fight oh or maybe he can I always look at women who are fighters and I go, hmm. No, what would bother me about that was like, you're a fighter, but you're not being a fighter.

2:10:03 And you don't really know until you see someone react when the shit Maybe, yeah. and something inside you, it exposes weakness that maybe you weren't prepared for the world to see. I think you can build it. So then when it's happening, they go, fuck that. neuromuscular system just goes and everything's just off it's just you're not responding right

2:12:08 It wasn't scary at all When you have a fight scheduled They're doing a lot of that Uh huh Yes What if you break your hands? Figure out Nakamoto. bye everybody