Joe Rogan Experience #10055 — Kelly Pavlik Transcript

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0:00 three two Youngstown the house how are you brother good how you doing thanks for doing Yeah, it was nice in Ohio, believe it or not. You know, that's what's weird about that. joint was that is that it was your friend's friend of a friend. We're at my gym, and he came and did a seminar at my gym. It was slow motion. The only reason is because if you get dropped in boxing, you've got 10 seconds to get up.

3:05 i was i was always interested in the martial arts um actually that's how i got into boxing 30. You know? well another reason what why i came out and was talking with mark and everything but You're jacked, dude. Yeah, and I don't. Talks of it. I don't want people also, the rumor mill starting that, he's broke. But you still – look, you were a world champion for a reason.

6:11 combat world champion Right. That's another one. even between fights you still had to maintain your weight. But as I got older, yeah, Jermaine Taylor that was 160 right yes yeah dude I was one fight where I remember getting angry at But also, you know, some of that commentating, though, really made that fight, especially at the end, in my opinion, made that fight kind of what it was also.

9:00 him one round and plus the 10-8 so that's a total of three rounds. And I don't see how that happened. i think they got to start doing something soon in boxing with that yeah they have to figure I mean, the numbers are crazy. I was looking away, I was like, I searched to give Tim Bradley two rounds. I mean, that guy, he's amazing. Natalie Bird, she does MMA, too.

11:44 especially a Manny Pacquiao fight? There's so much money. And if someone like Pac much money is being bet on fights, especially a Here's $30,000. Well, Teddy Atlas was explaining it, too, when he was on the podcast. And I don't know yeah it's it's bad because again boxing is really coming back it is and the fights you got three When I look at that fight when when wilder hurt him he hurt him

13:53 Yeah. Just some of the opinions of people, that's the way to put it. is i ran my ass to that You know, I'd have to go through and find it. But I thought, and I gave him one other round after that. they're going to see a lot of opportunities that were missed in that fight. You can. we got now you got Luis Ortiz you got Fury Wilder Joshua who else Joseph Parker yeah Parker you know

17:16 He weighs 209 pounds. Yeah. and find the time and patience to reprogram that fighter and change the whole style yeah it feels like He would just keep that pace up, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, I couldn't imagine fighting. Yeah, people forgot about Roger. That's what He was good And he beat the shit And some of the guys that had the best footwork in boxing were not flashy guys

20:49 by moving like that. They spin you around. I mean, Lomachenko stands right in front of you, and then he's not. YouTube too you know what I mean um yeah I've seen. You know the thing with Lomachenko is this. I have not seen it. That may be a type of fighter that beats Lomachenko. But you got to understand on that point, too, that I get a little frustrated reading.

23:49 right into a 12 12 round fight i know my myself coming up and the process that top ring brought What he accomplished is something that not many can do. Right, but his second one was some insanely short. Oh, okay. You were the world champion, motherfucker. Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six fights in. Eleven fights in, he wins his third world title.

26:55 a fact that that was going to be a chess match because of the boxing ability from rigandale I'm going, that's the fight that really sold me on Lomachenko He called it that early too? you know the story where his father took him out of boxing Yeah, his training regimen is pretty brutal. Yeah, he's definitely something special. but I also go back because I'm always trying to really break down and nitpick.

30:09 And what the fuck is going on with his calves? Gymnast and martial artist. they seemed so crude in comparison to his approach. And yeah, the angles, it's really almost impossible to break film down on him. You know, Yeah. two days of one, two days of the next, trying to fit that in. And you got to use just that style of boxing. there's it wasn't a fixed fight i don't know why people think it's a fixed fight that guy fights

33:38 I believe that he got hit with that right hand and seen how strong and how the defensive skills that Mayweather had. See if you can find the fight and play it. Exactly. Look at him smiling. What's really funny is but then again, Boom. and I think sometimes he fights at, like, 126. Yeah, I think you can fought as light as 121 pounds, and I think sometimes he fights at like 126.

35:50 somebody hits you on the arm or shoulder you know how how much power they have and uh yeah i think boxers, blah, blah, blah. he has all the right in the world. I couldn't agree more. He wants to go out and But Khabib's not really a boxer. The only difference is I don't think Khabib would get as tired as Conor would. I think those are one of the two better ones in the MMA.

38:22 But if you go and get beat by one of them guys, that could change the whole outlook of a career. hard to see that they they had that ring set up too where he fell and landed on his fucking head That's crazy. of mine, my trainer, Robert Garciacia retired at 29 um a youngstown side of it so what was it like fighting bernard who you know and i don't know if this is the stage i want to fighting bernard was it was um totally different than what i expected

41:30 because I'm the type of person I don't want to have people think that I was making excuses. I was running a temp actually in the locker room. He does a lot of big boxing books. What was wrong with your arm? You know, like I said, it was a handful. but there was a lot of other things going on why we didn't postpone the fight. against a guy like Bernard Hopkins that had to have that happen to me is what sucks and he was a

44:33 No, it's Bernard Hopkins. And I look at it, and I break it down a couple ways. So how much did that damage? I was 29 at the time. It was just one of them things that there's nothing you could do. So when I, when I sum up my career, I look at Yeah. But I look back on it again, the 42 fights, that's a lot of fights. I don't care about the glam or the fame or, or any of that. I truly don't, you know, like even now

48:17 But yeah, so when I was fighting, you know, there was a lot of rumors around of the retirement, You know, when they don't have a family, i mean i was i rolled over i never forget i rolled over told my wife i said i think i'm done But I just never wanted to keep doing it. it's a horrible hobby to have, especially at that high of a level. with me getting the itch earlier, there's a lot of things I take in consideration.

50:33 He just, he got hit. Pull up the Russian gentleman's name. I know it's hard. It's G-V-O-Z-D-Y-K, but it's Vozdik. He's 41, right? That's the scary thing about it. when McClellan was killing it at light heavyweight And people looked at him like, man, one day that's going to be the fight. I don't want that fight. We don't. scary. It is. my gym and there's people lifting weights and i'm in the back i got a couple bags back there and i'm

54:32 It's a thought, again, and we'll see. But we'll toss it around and we'll see how that goes. I am. And the podcast started off, hey, let's have fun. We end up hitting – it reaches out after the first episode. But I get out to these fights and people know it, you know, terrence crawford on i think you could i think you could bring back joe lewis and put them on there

57:35 That kind of format is, well, boxing fans in particular, well, I should say just combat I personally don't want to because I don't want to make nobody mad. But now the co-host, James Dominguez, he's really big into that. I'm sure, man. a UFC fight. We'll put it up on that screen. We'll have It's a great idea, yeah. This is why Canelo lost the round.

59:34 because you never stop learning. And it was kind of cool. I was still about 230, and he came up and gave me a big hug, And he was just really brought me in, so. need not to say much more on that but uh he had a little bit of it because my trainer was there it I mean, he had so many great performances late in his career. I think Trinidad was an amazing fighter, but I think his great days were at 147.

1:02:30 But his style was almost tailor-made for Bernard. Or then he would take that step and he would He never made mistakes on that part of it. He just put his hands down. I don't even know if I could believe that. Nicotine does? It's a stimulant though. Maybe how much you take of it, the quantity. Right. Good shape. And the itch wasn't there for like a year

1:05:43 Well I didn't want to start them when I was fighting. That's where it was going. Yeah. But you started smoking cigarettes. I liked the nicotine. This is a shame. into the squat, and I was like, Yes. You could do that, too, but some people just like it. He was worried about me. and how many reps you're doing, It ticks you off? I was putting a big lake in my backyard, and I got the country boy in me,

1:09:58 I grab the BB gun. He's like, ah, you shot me. We're having cookouts the next day. And he goes, okay, listen. I was like, I didn't know anything of this. department sheriff's department and presses charges on you you? Yes. For shooting with a BB gun? You know, it's a federal assault charge. It was a drawn out case, supposed to have been beat. They never did.

1:13:19 my my bad on that that's where i take the. Well, it's probably hard for you to recognize. I think that was the issue. I'm retired. and the war got around and a lot of anger. But if you really look up Youngstown, of it, if you truly break down A guy, Ken Signorani, who fought Chavez and Camacho out of Youngstown. You know, like, you can't be yourself no more.

1:16:34 My choice was kind of just be me, though. A lot of it came down to, and everybody's different, so I'm speaking for myself. and just turning pro right out of high school. I'm not going to be the person to sit here and say it didn't. People say it used the fact that Hopkins beat me, champion boxer and celebrity and still stay there. also again we were talking about what we have talked about earlier with the fight coming back

1:19:40 I mean, after how many years? I mean, I don't know. or somebody buying yeah um the big issue i think where that what happens into the Canelo's? that's a lot of fucking money are coming Exactly. The Friday Night Fights were the up-and-coming guys, That's awesome. I mean, with the UFC, the UFC has UFC Fight Pass, and they have events just constantly.

1:22:46 and now also i love the fact you could stream it from your phone right to your television if you Don't say this. showing them on television oh well i thought if you had the app i don't know i don't know how it Yeah, and I'm going. and doing the interviews and the You know, I've seen some outrageous fines. Yeah, I mean, or, you know, can you stream it on your phone and have a bunch of people look over your shoulder?

1:25:48 Yeah. you know i think what's also great is some of these inside stations you know local stations there's that group of fighters that come out, I mean, it is with MMA as well. Really? fight after that Canelo starts showing some of the effects from those first two fights. I thought it was a much closer fight than the first fight. Yeah, and I gave the first three rounds to Canelo, and then I had at 9-3 for Triple G. That's how I scored it. That sounds about right. Yeah, and I gave the first three rounds to Canelo,

1:29:03 But certainly Canelo showed much improvement. I mean, most of the second half of the fight, Those are two fighters that really sort of epitomize what people like to see when they like to see these classic rivalries, right? Yeah, and I was a guy. Everybody's got a game plan until they get hit. and then you're tightening up and you're tensing up really hard

1:31:38 Do you, you really don't want to see them fight a third time? And I remember thinking, that is a damn shame. Maybe, I mean, I don't know what it was. I truly do believe that. I'm right under 6'2", by, like, that much. You've got even guys like Zerto, Benavidez. 175 to 168. He had the right fight to go up to 168, so get another weight division under his belt.

1:34:05 I would have done it if I could have, you know, but also a good learning experience. You're not supposed to suck that much weight out of your body. What I do like about boxing that is missing in mma is more weight classes i really It should be a world champion. And then I also look at like you got so many guys that are so good. now you've got four people.

1:36:10 I think that should happen in every weight class. It's like how many guys won the Super Bowl this year? like what is this? It is. Are you the heavyweight champion, but also Deontay Wilder's walking around as a heavyweight champion. Like, what? What is this? Unified or universal or recognizable middleweight champ. Right. didn't want to pay the sanctioned fees

1:38:06 Even having guys like Mancini and Arroyo from Youngstown and guys like that, and I'd be like, damn, you know, I'm going to try that. And it's arguable. their style you know coming up so I was always trying to keep learning like I even doing and or how I can add it to my arsenal. He certainly was one of them. Me personally, you got to get past that because, again, that becomes biased, and everybody's going to kind of go with what they grew up with.

1:40:33 You do. Crazy. But it's, how long ago was that now? You look forward to these big fights because right now there's like four guys, I hope not. yeah unfortunately he was Remember when he knocked out John Ruiz? He was a scary motherfucker. Just thick. He was in jail for a long time. and they sit out two years, sometimes they may not ever come back fully from that.

1:43:50 How long was his contract dispute for? I think he came out of the womb with boxing gloves on. Towards the end, it was kind of hard to watch with some of the fights they had on, in my opinion. Yeah, and saved the money, you know. budget but you get things like game of thrones it costs so much money to make but so many people Again, these apps, people are –

1:46:30 No. as a commentator. For all the times But he's smart as shit, man. And, yeah, it is. He just got smashed, you know, with that right hand or he got hit with a good body shot. And also world champion, undefeated, and just decided, you know what? getting ready to head out after you know the fight's about over and he comes walking up It's so itchy. and then you walk away and you realize that you won, holy shit.

1:49:46 You know, it took me a while before I could, But it never really kicked in until like a little while later. am I in a fucking dream? And again, a lot of people talked about the handful of fights before that This right here. What is going through your head? But when it was over, like what does that feel like it's it's This is more in your field, up your alley.

1:52:47 I think there's a lot there. How bad do you want it? And the referee gives you the count. then that left hook, and you see memes and gifs of him sitting up, and they showed the Undertaker doing the way he sat up i seen all the like memes and gifs of him uh sitting up Yeah, right. But I could hear my legs were gone, but I could hear certain people in the stands.

1:54:52 This dude, he's fucking hurt. And then his ability to recover. He did do that. I see what you're saying. I'm probably wrong on this, but I'm saying like, yeah, he got hurt and he's landing and he's going, shit, let me just take it. He landed on his shoulder. back his head or to the side cardio is significant if you're in great cardio shape you recover

1:57:12 strength and conditioning did you were you like an old school method guy or did you use heart rate great sled to these stack weights on and uh he left a lot of that stuff out there these grip He runs with the—matter of fact, at my real title fight against Taylor at the boardwalk, Phenomenal shape. around with a log that can't be good for your knees i wonder how he's walking right now like

1:59:53 and he swings from each one up there. Again, it was strong. What is it called? VertiMax? Are these bands? Oh. could have definitely made me a lot better than I think it could for a lot of athletes. You just have to prop it up? that what is the raptor it goes on the wall you can it's more for like travel see if you find that Right. Don't go until you're tired.

2:03:16 hurt people is that they do the whole workout with that. Now what happens, you eventually get Because you own this gym. So it's Me Gym. It's fun working with their strength and conditioning. how many days a week you would do physical many days a week you would do like physical exercises yeah you know and that's Yeah. The only thing I did say is I didn't want to run early in the morning.

2:05:40 How much sleep would you make sure you had? But I really don't believe in the theory of you've got to wake your guy up But I think the gym is non-negotiable. it's going to work yeah and i didn't do that what did you do i sparred at you know four three but Right. We added. because it builds muscle, especially running that high you know doing I could go hit a bag right now and probably do 10 rounds on it, you know,

2:08:45 You know what I mean? You know, I didn't when I trained in Youngstown. Yeah, because, you know, I was cocky. cement, I think now I would have my guys run on grass, track. and eventually I could add a lot of this to my fighters. how did you decide that? Yeah, come time when you're starting to dry out, you're going to wish that you kind of didn't want the muscle. I knew it would come. You put some weight on you. Yeah. Come time when you're starting to dry out,

2:11:04 I was in great shape, and I was strong as a mule. It breaks up the monotony of the same training regimen all the time. And then from him and then in particular Holyfield, If you could put in Kelly Pavlik workouts, training. burning when you look at yourself without all the tattoos, do you go, huh, look at all that blank canvas. I don't know if I have to snap on it now like I had then.

2:13:21 And that will come down to having somebody that really knows. Like the body, it's really hard to overtrain. You know, Tim Kennedy, who's a big, who's at one point, he retired now, something along those lines. I mean, you've got to find if you're going to bring somebody in. Yeah. How so? Because if I go in, I see guys all the time, not knocking at everybody, but I see them come in with their

2:15:59 But when I go in, I want to do either a little bit heavier or more reps than I did last time. And I'll go down. So it comes down, and that's my theory on it. To recover before you start really boxing again. They're always coming out with something or they're always debunking some other, you know, you have to do this. And eat shitty food. Yeah. because he's one of those guys, he believes you should do more rest in between reps,

2:18:56 And you never get that full breakdown, but your body gets just as strong or stronger. I think adding that in, there's nothing wrong with that either now. with a buddy of mine actually a coach on you know certain days of the week we work on the heavy I don't want to make anybody too mad, but when people use it, Especially powerlifting. And what's good nutrition that helps naturally raise this or raise that,

2:21:36 Do you do, And it came back. see what the fuck's happening you know Especially with all these different diets that people are getting on. That's what I'm hearing. not good for you like you you got to get your body into ketosis into ketosis yeah if you don't get i just wanted to i'm like i'm just gonna have a fucking apple and a bowl of pasta and blow this

2:24:25 do you call intermittent dietings to intermittent fasting fasting yeah like the uh when you're Again, that could have been grass-fed or steroid-type meat makes a difference. doctor that a buddy also that got fatty liver from eating too much of the meat and again that real big sweet tooth eater. Okay. Yes. The one meet, I was doing a 220-pound weight class.

2:26:37 Yeah. And that's one of my favorites. who's a hell of a baker she makes something for the kids or makes me a homemade cheesecake Somebody was there. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Right. and we ate pizzas and stuff like that. That's the mindset, man. I know. Yeah, the mindset man i know yeah the mindset but that's you know the thing about

2:29:36 that when it's over, they don't want to do shit. and there was a place called Mill Creek Park, running chances are i would actually like running and I would like doing cardio and adding that into my training. to anymore if you unless you want to be out of shape and miserable i think it's great to actually Yeah. No, I don't want the backlash for it.

2:32:03 it's nothing like football like if a fighter loses i was i was watching barstool sports barstool sports instagram they I love hearing when I was playing football and when I was in high school, Oh, I have people that don't know the difference between a left hook and a fishing hook. I don't know. you do but you shouldn't knock what he's doing well you're delusional you are people are delusional

2:34:04 Yeah, and I don't want to ask another reason. or punchline boxing group, you see the comments and I'm just going, I mean, it's a great time to communicate with people. I will. So those are easy ways. Hey, listen. My pleasure.