Joe Rogan Experience #10061 — Herb Dean Transcript

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0:00 Yeah, I was good five, four, three. You and I have talked about doing a podcast for the last, like, three years. Obviously they have the hardest job I think And or sometimes, yeah. it's not that interesting i'll just find something interesting to say all right but it's not that Especially great fights. Well, old fights are harder you'd be like, I'm a big phony.

2:41 I remember one time. Yeah, he goes, Yeah, we would have to wait. But, yeah. They're like, damn, Golovkin got robbed. barboza and i was like wow yeah holy shit oh my god oh my God. Gage is a savage. like an almost fearless willingness to engage. I ref a lot of fights in um in russia so i refereed a fight with uh this guy You hear it like, oh, he's in it, you know?

5:55 It didn't die with the Vikings. yeah it's um did you see the bare knuckle fighting i haven't watched any of them yet Yeah, and you saw that. It shows us how fragile our hands really are. I mean, those elbows Jon Jones hit Brandon Verrill with? Remember Tito Ortiz never passed guard? Yeah. He's from Canada. Is it McDessie? yeah um it's it's it's amazing that you're seeing all these different styles that it's still even

9:38 As a person who loves striking, it's an interesting time. You're mounting him and he Ezekiels you? Like, he's that guy who everybody is. He's done it to quite a few. He did one guy in the UFC with it. Yeah, that Ben Askren fight. And I'm like, shit. everything that would indicate i'm seeing an unconscious fighter i see an arm go limp for And then I'm supposed to do certain things.

13:11 a second to make sure, not even a second, a half a breath to make sure he's okay. And then let it Because if I always have a situation, if I always have a mindset that I'm always doing the right thing, I can't get better. At this time, I don't see that I should do something different. a referee been asking. that it's inconclusive. when you brought up the damage, the possible damage

15:44 That's a lot of pressure on the neck. So that's what it was. Well, we started doing it in Tenth Planet a few years back. our friend scott epstein he uh he used it quite a few times so we called it the executioner is He calls it the Absecutioner. Oh, yeah. It's similar, though. It's similar. Yeah, you could have arms in. This is different, but it's similar. Oh, yeah.

17:32 So, I don't know if we're going to show people that. north south choke so yeah so what i saw was the guy went north-south, and he, this was years ago at a King of the Cage way out in Wisconsin. you know or this is not an illegal move but i don't want to see how this plays out and the guy He was terrified. Came back, yeah. That's not something that I want to play with.

19:55 And I think that's something that people should really take into consideration when you see someone. It's a fucked up place to be, even for the fact of the way it's set up. Yeah. That is so bad dude that is so that Yeah Some situations Like I mean, that was just a crazy fight, man. Yeah, go, forget that. I remember people were calling it a bulldog choke.

22:43 It's horrible. I take it really serious. or with friends people are going to ask me what do I think about this fight or who do I think can Guess what he told me? you see the muscles right there. Beautiful jiu-jitsu. That was crazy. I have that one. He's squeezing. And then Matt woke up from the choke, and they like you won yeah it's great that was a crazy scene

26:46 But cool. So, yeah, I think, you know, anytime that, you know, the athletes get to do what they do Right. When he knocked out Cowboy, I was like, wow. He's either 34 or 35 he's coming Yeah. And in some circumstances, take two, That's the mentality. Yeah. And we know guys who've done that with TRT. That's true. To deny that would be crazy. It's not fair.

30:30 Look around. was a guy who used to be Greek statue. uh piss with cody too and that tested positive for epo as well and then cody started freaking out from you know 10 years ago 15 years ago like what if they could use usada style testing today tests on the last 500 championship fights and then you have like 400 fights that you now have to like change the result of yeah i don't know i don't know either yeah yeah last night i was joking around i was saying test

33:16 And I think that combat sports has a government oversight that other sports don't have. saying, I don't know much is that the government's involved. and then the second one is like half the season. I mean, the UFC did not want Jon Jones to test positive. yeah and holly holm got tested a lot huh yeah yeah holly holm got tested a lot a lot of people got

35:56 Early in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You look well-rested. and wake them up. and uh epos one two that apparently from what i've read don't listen to me i'm not a doctor Because for me, this is all stuff that, to be honest, I don't really pay that much attention to it because I don't have – it's out of my wheelhouse to deal with. if you have samples that date back 10 years

38:41 there's a lot of guys yeah so it's yeah it's tough to me, it's a shame, too, because I'm a TJ fan, and I think he's a phenomenal fighter. the way he beat hennon burrell i was like holy shit so he went out and fought hennon burrell It was also crazy to watch the progression, all the work he did and how much he was getting better every fight. that really for bragging rights yeah just assholes assholes with money or take an epo like really i

40:42 I think what it does is it raises your threshold if you're already an elite endurance athlete, too It's crazy. Man, talk about some hard stoppages. going to take away from what i've seen of as and then the more i imagine about it it's just going In case new more Freak This life that we have anti-aging solutions and different things that they're coming up with.

43:33 You get the guy like the Balco guy. And then? working on that right now, all the time. It's a good move. It's amazing. No, yeah, make sure he didn't get caught. In the middle of him doing this, microscopic scratches on these supposedly unopenable caps I mean, it was like super sophisticated stuff. That's why Russia won like all these gold medals in the Sochi Olympics.

47:15 You know what I mean? Like when you're a sharp kid, it's like a matter of pride to never cheat on a test. Speeds up your recovery right i think the base reasoning is cheating well no not just cheating because it's not cheating if I think that's supposed to be the reason, right? So like there's a line that's being drawn somewhere. But, I mean, especially with fighting, if you're really concerned with safety, let's just cancel the whole event.

49:16 Kicking each other in the face. Yeah. He did a flip and landed on him. That was a fight. And it would be the ultimate world star video. i don't like to watch that kind of stuff yeah yeah you know, you know, that guy's never going to be the same. I just put that up there the day I saw somebody put it up. you know how he's paddle boarding who decides to come out of the water

51:27 yeah, it makes you wonder about dolphins. Yeah. Do you hit him? Do you hit the dolphin? That is pretty funny, though. Yeah. Paddle boarding Yeah You don't have to – Stop it, bro. It's like if you got like placid water, it'd actually be I did a little bit. to know how to do. I live here. Beach is not that crowded. Yeah, so I started the quest last year.

54:30 For the entire month The surfing thing Maybe. Is it cold in October? A shark comes after him. I don't think that shit's fake at all. You don't see a goddamn thing. I decided I didn't want him to, so I just pushed him away a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is this the guy right here? Look right behind him. With every time he paddlesdles the arm could disappear on

57:10 But the problem was with the one, sharks don't just start swimming when they get put in the water. Because sharks are super weird in terms of their physiology. I don't think they can breathe if they sit still. Oh, Jesus Christ. I understand. Can the shark bite me and pull me in? Someone's giving her bad advice. Yeah I do I've got to travel so much Oh, for sure.

59:38 Well, I take everything at face value. Yeah, because this is a story. man, They want to talk. tell people know about pictures and the guy all excited they're like hey hey um we want you to come out and pull Jesus Christ. to talk about he goes man i could see you were so uncomfortable with what was going on that i like and it was like the place looks like roadhouse and you know i mean like the whole everything you

1:02:48 I've had good times in the South. You should put this on your don't think you take that out too what anyone else is Do you know how to speak it? And so you know So it's that What is that Celtic stuff like a backwards r yeah yeah yeah yeah that's that's what that's yeah what does that stand for The H is the N Everywhere you go, right? Uh-huh. Like what the fuck is that thing?

1:06:01 pretty hard to learn well it looks especially if it's not completely ingrained in your memory as a child. Fuck, man. I got married a few years ago. it's easier. Some people are good with languages, man. It seems like your hard drive would be full. Well, I'm not going to say hard. You know, we all get Spanish words. Like Japanese is probably pretty difficult to learn.

1:08:05 same spanish down there really even spanish yeah like you can under like because you know i took a And they have That's what Uh huh Kilometers I don't believe so. if these people assimilate into other populations or move out, so i think it's just uh it's cool to go and see people who really see kind of a group mentality about moving forward. Yeah. It's cool to be able to go there and get to see it.

1:11:08 Wow. internationally around 2003 or 4 wow and then um but i got to travel around the u.s a lot before Yeah, way back in the day at King of the Cage we met there. Eddie was working for them. Bud was rough on me in the beginning. and talked to people from the commission from doing boxing and kickboxing. i'll try referee fight he goes okay do that and then i remember the first time i was like man

1:13:42 And when did you decide – was it because of refereeing that they decided that it was a conflict of interest for you to continue your career? All right. I mean, I agree with you on virtually every single time you and i've had a discussion They might stall each other out, but eventually someone might break down. You know, like a guy beating a guy up against the cage, just short elbows, knees to the

1:15:53 something to I'm looking for big shots or advance your position and then they'll ask me like well And if there's a tension, if there's a tension there, we need to see where that's going to go and let it work itself out. but there was a moment in the first round when Damian Maia got a hold of Kamaru like you just don't do that to the guy. and then when you're defending the takedown, he starts taking your back.

1:18:16 this guy has and then he did it to carlos condit um who else he's done to he's done to a lot of or a striking specialist or a Damian Maia specialist. takedowns like he was so high level as a kickboxer he's so clever like he's he's like in my opinion probably the very best in the sport at setting traps yeah he'll like gauge you see what you're I was refereeing some fights in China, and it's one of the guys he trains with in New Zealand.

1:20:03 Yeah, that's what I was saying. why stylebender was special in that fight did he add like another level of trickery yeah yeah and it's like, okay, I've gotten a lot of information, That guy goes for broke. No, he and he puts pressure. trying to get comfortable when you're trying to settle in and that's when he kicks you like it's He just pours it on you.

1:22:50 Several high-profile fighters confirmed for UFC 239, including Michael Chiesa versus Diego Sanchez. That's a great one. Jan Blachowicz versus Luke Rockhold. sharipov oh yeah yeah yeah that dude he's nasty he's fun to watch yeah yeah he's fun to watch Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I can't remember a time where there was so many elite high level fighters that were

1:25:26 He fights in ACA. Absolute Championship Akhmat. Because I refereed a fight You know I'm not living in the man's pocket I think that's, hmm, Yeah. I mean, I liked it when I was six. I feel exactly the same way. really good at it I don't remember him. Yeah. But you know what? kind of watch them and kind of learn how to enjoy it you know what i mean i don't know like what's

1:28:34 I started grabbing into it. Sturgill? Yeah, Sturgill your boy Your boy was on your Sturgill Yeah Working on a railroad I mean, we were barbecued. No. Like who? Mm-hmm. So he'll look at a position and he'll have some weird unorthodox take on how to get to a better spot i should be getting funny man he's getting really fun he's getting more and more comfortable doing

1:32:32 yeah because i've seen on social media that you guys have some shows where like he's on there My friends like that, yeah. And then some of them are like, I can't do this anymore. Exactly. Yeah, I don't know. That's the one you would suggest? Big notes. There was a Nevada television. He was telling them, they fly them out of this base. These things are real.

1:35:34 But then you watch the video. But when he was talking about it in 1980, no one knew what the fuck he was talking about. so that they could broaden so people couldn't be watching on so many different things that he said, creatures like a child like a eight ten year old child huh it makes you go what the fuck man and And so watching this documentary and seeing this guy 30 years later

1:37:53 what the fuck, man? people would just keep going on like with every other scare I think so yeah I But they say it could happen. I remember the conspiracy that, I remember I did. Oh, yeah. Memorandum I was making aids and we had him on way back in the day early on what was that guy's name It was a cancer medication, like a chemotherapy that was so powerful.

1:40:46 But he is a professor, right? they've got these um hiv medications that basically they can take people and make them hiv negative are going around yeah i was like yeah, marijuana and conspiracies go together like cookies and milk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm okay. And find out all the things you're scared of your own bullshit and what you're trying to do and not think of the impact you're having on the people that are around you

1:43:51 we get real married to the idea of our opinions being right and we get real married to the idea You don't want to be a knee-jerk, right? The idea is that automation is going to take all these jobs. nick kristakis is that who it was people fight people need meaning when the fighters find out that Herb Dean's a referee, Getting hurt, maybe? To them. I don't.

1:47:36 people or probably you've met a lot of people who say that money isn't everything and there's these I took it off. It's always there. You know what I mean? You say you have a 74 Bronco, too, so you must appreciate cool shit. this thing up ah so i was like all right i sent it to him he says i'm gonna give you a deal we're car company that does this shit he does this shit with his own company he's got like a hundred

1:50:35 That's a fucking beast, man. It's very positive, uplifting. Well, you could always do that. is I've been deciding No, no, no, no. I'm not sure. that fighter uh he used to have the uh black dude with the uh like a patch of gray here but that's No, it was like, He gives people Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of guys who are former fighters that I think, Frank Trigg's doing

1:53:46 Good referee? Well, he's been doing stuff in camoo and he's he's coming along he's doing it yeah nice yeah he just won a little bit of time off they owe him like Did you see the clip that Crooklyn on Twitter put up of the owner of Bare Knuckle Boxing saying that a fighter didn't fight hard enough? Yeah, this is the way we do it. yeah, because it didn't

1:55:05 I hope not Fighting Championship Make some noise Zombie Prophet wrote, this can't be legal. Like, I've watched some of those yellow cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the referee's like, come on, fight, fight to do you're on the outside you're trying to figure out how to get in right right and you're getting lit and then the referee's like come on fight fight and you're like

1:57:09 I don't know if I can do with that. day no one's going to know that you told me to do it it's going to be me doing it 100 so thank you Yeah, like the back step. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're animals. He's a bad motherfucker. My position on Of cuts all over the place and it really makes you think We don't want to practice something that doesn't really work if you don't have gloves on, right?

2:01:05 You put wraps. You put wraps. That's interesting. Like people think that boxing, and patting the knuckles just because of perception and see the problem with that guy Yeah. man those dudes are constantly cursing each other out and cursing everybody else out aggressive because they're cutting each other off and shit is that maybe just maybe just to follow

2:03:54 Wait a minute. I think they're training together. Those dudes are intense. Yeah. That's at the Rose Bowl. There's probably rules Right About theirs somebody guy doesn't let go somebody tapped and people scream or something like that. Yeah, and so that's the other thing. I need to learn it. Everybody else is like, no, no, no. It was Imanari and Pajaras.

2:06:45 And then Paul Harris, anything you can't defend, it's like. Those legs grab you're not And I think it's a leg lock. when they're just around that's like he becomes I didn't, yeah, I saw some clips of it, like some bits of it, yeah. it's really really interesting yeah but yeah tony like he's he can he's one of those people who get of making it about respect and martial arts

2:09:54 I'm really excited about that. The guy stopped Eddie Alvarez. Nasty Yukon. Timothy Nasty Yukon. far right one. This dude is, this Russian cat's a beast, man. So, like, definitely. They get a lot of experience. Yeah. Boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Dagestan was a blast. You just, you know, but I was working. when coach when the coach pulled him off he was mad mad. You could see he was mad. He's like,

2:13:09 And the crowd, You know what I mean? ah. horse racing and shooting guns at the same time yeah there were people were it was like uh people before Khabib came around. It's like him and Floyd Mayweather He's huge. Yeah. give up give up yeah yeah yeah you know i need a title shot give up and then he got him in that Yeah. Yeah, but this was a different level.

2:16:14 You have to give up. hans mollenkamp you know hans from monster yeah he's had many pictures sparring with connor today He's going to fight. smashes you i mean he doesn't have any reason to you can just talk shit like he he didn't just win And if you didn't, you're stupid. That's a legit submission. Yeah, especially with that – Yeah, yeah yeah. Rip your face apart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's legit. That's a legit submission.

2:18:45 Yeah, there it is right there. the way he's posted up like that. what he's got to do is beat somebody big and say something that makes khabib consider it you know going to get it is to to win a couple of fights beat some real big name guys and then make it so Yeah. That's what makes the world go round. Yeah, it makes things emotional. to look as far as martial arts and being a respectful thing and people looking at us like

2:22:33 I enjoy it. How about Conor okay, I don't have time Yeah. Oh, come on. do whatever the fuck he wants for the rest of his life and just live off interest but he still likes but it was going to have to be a co-main event. Make that a fucking main event. Yeah. Make a title up In the amount of pay-per-views Every month So it's $5 less because you're monthly.

2:25:44 No, but Fight Pass, I can't see some of the stuff that's on yeah there's other oh yeah yeah yeah I mean, I think this is such an amazing time for a person. I mean, martial arts have been around for thousands and thousands like the athletes from like 93 And also even just the athleticism you see in it today. Like if you talk about how many elite athletes decide to go into baseball or NFL or NBA versus how many elite athletes go into cage fighting. It's not even close.

2:27:55 Like, yeah, for cross training. Better learn some of this shit. But I wonder what the super heavyweight division would look like. i'm a fan he's still fighting he's gotten way better he's gotten better and way smaller he And he chose him very early in his career. and really make your muscles get fatigued. to fight somebody like Tim. Yeah, and he fought the greats.

2:31:13 And he, you know, the arm broke. course he comes in she doesn't know what she's what she saw so he misguides her and says i think I swear. No, that's Minotauro. so then that's why i was watching the replay and i was like let's take a look at this hold on hold Like, this guy's fucked right now. I saw him afterwards and I said, man, did you know your arm was broken?

2:33:40 Yeah. How young and muscular. Look at me, young, little fresh-faced Joe Rogan. Really good commentator. And his commentary, what's weird is he always, as a commentator, I like listening to him, he gets some weird angles. when he fought Lesnar, And the UFC was like, what the fuck are you saying? I'm like, this guy, I'm a big fan of former fighters doing it i think

2:36:00 definitely always tell him look this is exactly what happened. This is what I'm worried about. This particular part, you know. How many fights do you think you've called? Oh, I don't know. yeah, I didn't. Long ass time ago, bro. Yeah. Yeah. How many fights Yeah, do you do seminars Oh. oh okay all right cool i'm worried to see this explosion of followers right here it's coming

2:37:28 The other part I don't like is I have to say no because it's for a certificate. say to them hey show me how to set up a triangle i go to the so we we do it in um we do it in what do you do different to make it work for you and just talk me through it give me as much information as i can one guy this weekend there's a lot i think it's common you know um on my website it lets people know like hey uh physical demonstration of uh mma technique is is required to achieve certification you can come out

2:39:56 or didn't give credit to something. Yeah. What was good about it is Eddie would break it down on a piece of paper. That's what it would say no you know or the way we score around. It's hard to do it the way Eddie does that live doing a round because who can write all that without taking your eyes off for a second? well i tell them you know i show them other like different people have different systems of

2:42:20 So that's a good way of scoring a round is preparing yourself to be able to talk And if you're going to apply to, let's say, Camo here in California, you're going to have to have a certificate of training before you apply to the amateur or before you apply to, let's say, the Boxing Commission out in Tennessee to the Athletic Commission out there or the Athletic Commission in Nevada.

2:43:28 That's why he does it then Some good training Right the bad you remember marillo bustamante versus um. Oh, yeah. He had to tap him twice. bring it up that old. When the fuck Conan hit him with a punch. Yeah. What? Yeah, definitely. a lot for boogie's bad for a lot to deal with. I feel like, you know, there's some people you say, okay, he's good. His brother is, too.

2:47:03 gonna be amazed if you keep with it Especially that hot yoga I know the road too uh mostly i do it at home but But it's just, it also, that strain of that 90 minutes, I think, is like meditative. No, it helps with all that. you do and don't get sometimes they call me and you know there's some athletic commissions i know Figured like, yeah, the man wants to make sure I'm there.

2:49:32 Let me see who's on that card. put it up on its website you know they don't put it up what's that i'm a unis oh rose is that jessica Oh, Rose. Oh. Is that Jessica Andrade? Oh. Oh, yeah. Anderson Silva and Jared Kananir. What? Might have to have a fight companion. And if Eddie Bravo starts throwing around conspiracy theories, you got to check your watch.

2:51:20 Maybe we can make it happen. Okay. we have room for others. Herb Dean, ladies and gentlemen, HerbDean.com.