Joe Rogan Experience #10067 — Kevin Lee Transcript

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0:00 Yeah. You know, I got to give you some thanks for even for doing it. or lose i'm just you know it's it's a giant part of the game yeah half the game is losing someone There's nothing you can do about it. I was like, I always liked a really really big challenge and that one was definitely one you know he had And I still got a whole long, long road ahead of me.

2:56 And now I'm going to get through this one and then I'll do it. But then as it got going, I started to realize, oh, he's not really expending much energy. his time and hoping that I slip up. It seemed like you expended a lot of energy early on and or are you sort of making your strategy up on the fly? I really do. someone who's a master of martial arts, who understands positions,

6:30 and and he kind of was so good he kind of like reeled me in a little bit like i'm the type i'm It was just a way that he was able to kind of get through to me and kind of make me understand what it is that I'm trying to do. but losing him for you had to be a real, just a giant change in your career. And how like that can It's like fuck fuck, would he

8:52 going to make it right is to win that title and do it for him. You know, he kind of saw that for me, Yeah, I think so. for some of my my 55 pound fights really um yeah i walked in about 181 um and like for the tony But, you know, that really just made the weight cut into my body much worse. That first round, though, man, before you got tired, you had a mounted,

11:00 But I didn't listen to him. And that adrenaline pump and that, I mean, There was no warmup. I woke up at 5 a.m. But as the weight cut was going, you know, we got until about 8 o'clock, more jesus christ so we just taking kettles of hot water and just pouring it on me. and six pounds in about an hour maybe two hours because i weighed in about nine o'clock or so uh or i mean uh about 9 30 10 or so um six pounds in two hours it's

14:10 The Sunday of the fight Like that And, you know, for Sunday, I just kind of, you know, I didn't think about it. you decided not to take antibiotics yeah yeah so what do you do i roughed it i was like you Those rooms are just so dirty and filthy that I seen other people with i was like i'm showing up to fight. So you didn't put anything on it? are you happy that you made the decision that you made oh yeah it wasn't smart but you know but you

16:48 Yeah ever since Shout out to Guy Had anything I make sure I bring my soap and I shower. It could barely move But that shit gets systemic gotten systemic and she wound up dying jesus yeah man from staff i've had it twice and uh the first what they're going to do to me. I was thinking that when you fought and afterwards talking to you about it, Like everybody wants to be Floyd when you're 50 and 0 and it's just you're not getting touched and it's just easy.

20:00 You can't do that. Some people are just better at certain things. You're still one of the best fighters in the division. Great idea. Excellent. Yes. world-class fighter and you're you're on your path to attempt to become a world champion and to work with him for a long time um i i might you know i don't i don't know uh this is this Yeah, yeah. It's still that same – it's scary, you know?

23:53 It's too nice. And he was saying how hard it is for a fighter to make it from Vegas. It's just – And it's the attitude down there. Anatomy of a Fighter. He said, you should need a passport. And I mean, I went out with the intention of partying, but I was like, I'm kind of good on it. of great fighters down there and they got a lot of i feel like the training and in in the uh uh

26:35 that kind of already got this trip uh set and planned so i'm just like i'm about to pull the And I don't really like believe in, I don't necessarily know what, but when, when certain things started The weight cut was perfect. smarter than you that's not you you know because like they can see you in a way that you can't see and even the coaches are great and all but it's like i need

29:28 haven't I need to trust you Firas Ahabi is first of all he's one of the smartest guys I've ever talked to. think that his experience and coaching one of the greatest of all time in george saint pierre something about you and farasahabi that i just feel like yeah when i met him uh and i sat next to him we When Justin Gagey flatlines people, Whitman acts like nothing even happened.

31:53 Sure. Right Of moving to Montreal Oh, my God. I feel like that That cold Might Yeah It's so easy to get by About freezing to death You better keep a blanket Different morals out there it's also like a vulnerability to nature that just forces you to accept your place in the With a good jacket on in California But then you talk to people who They've spent their whole life here and they don't see it that way.

34:36 It's a little different down in Brazil. I do as well. if he had landed and him and Carlos just thought it through is largely a part of this one dynamic incredible family and if you look at that family all the fucking champions hoist horian Don't forget Carlson Gracie, too. Russian wrestling. or the Ultimate Fighting Championship, rather, in the first two ones, was Hoist Gracie being this guy who's not this physically terrifying guy.

37:47 If he won, you'd be like, yeah, that makes sense. in real fight, you know, true fight. I i mean even in boxing too you know you see some Even in the first round. there's two amazing ones pull up first of all pull up the Deontay Wilder one because he has uh the I didn't see the Andy. It's hilarious, man. All right, no volume. on the ground. The next day

40:41 It's like That guy's a master, though. That's awesome. He's got chin-finding intelligence. of muster it up in the 12th it's as a fighter i kind of look it down like damn like that's a lot uh how much heavier do you think I think it was 230 or something oh wow okay that's a lot of weight 209 pounds. He was heavier for this fight. For the Dominic Brazil fight, apparently, he was quite a bit heavier.

43:00 220? Tyson wasn't even 220. 265 pound dude is gonna shock him you know what i mean or 240 or well it's also because there's Yeah, the wrestling is probably the biggest reason, I think, a lot of us cut weight in MMA, for sure. Yeah, exactly. So he was probably, like, extra geared up. Yeah. Go to speedofsport on Instagram. do that but with your feet like kick it up and down and up and down like let me see let's see

46:30 Intense, intense stuff. how to fight. And the real key was to get his gas tank as fucking thick and fat as possible. important yeah i think you need balance with it all you know i think so too but i used uh Kind of making sure that your legs are still underneath you And it's draining. a couple of them getting ready for that fight uh where he's just taking it with aaron pico

49:17 to how how scientifically he was designing and engineering these workouts yeah and people were still uh uh could go you know um so i i don't know i think it was more tactically than anything I think the fight before that with Al, I hated the way that fight went i hated the way i i i this one you know and and i haven't really uh had a fight in the ufc yet that has hit kind of where

51:47 The good thing is that at 170, there's so many good fights to be at. think it's a great idea I still am kind of but I am too they just don't want to listen yeah nobody I don't know, you know. a fucking beast man that step in left high kick was beautiful brutal but now they're getting so Yeah it'd be Women's flyweight division But if you go back You've got Tatiana Suarez.

54:08 It got Like Could At 55. His power. right yeah before the max fight i would have for sure been like khabib's gonna blow him out the it might be a long night for Khabib. Yep. just to i'm just counting how many times or i roll with vinnie uh and i'm like i'm just counting how many times, or I rode with Vinny Magalhães, and I'm like, I'm just trying my best not to get submitted.

57:45 Yeah, yeah. It really is the craziest sport that's ever existed. other professions and what they do and i'm like he's a little crazy too you know i mean he's a else or, or what they doing or what they got going on. And it, and it lets me like a little bit of peace and it gives me like I really don't give a fuck about nobody else or what they're doing or what they got going on.

1:00:08 You know what I mean? or however it is or you're stuck doing something that you feel like you should do or people want All day. But, yeah, I try. somebody like floyd he's had his his dad fight and his his uncle fight before him to where he's Maybe like four more generations, something like that. and just kind of have that that creative process to do it you know uh it's gonna happen eventually

1:04:07 To see those two guys training him, that is gigantic. So I think it played a huge factor that people don't really look at. he just got so much more brilliant defensively, even see a lot of people uh because i i go by his gym from time to time you know it's and and i see Like, they forget all the, like, amateur fights that he had before that he's won he's won and lost and you know he just had a different style of fighting so it's it takes time to get to

1:06:42 he's over here, he throws a right. He's over here. Pop! he learned that lesson the right even like how you said me and george are kind of similar i tried to pick a fight with the man like That's what I think. wants to fight for a long time. that ever did it. who the fuck knows that pay-per-view when they might not. Or they could do 165. I don't like that thinking.

1:09:52 cool motherfucker but george even more so i tried to pick a fight with him and like you know for know he's now he's in the position where he's just trying to get them big fights oh shit yeah very smart and I'm gonna just I mean there's so much And I think it's keeping your brain, too. is the same thing that's going to get you fucked when you think that you could still go again.

1:12:56 Like, ooh, Jesus. you don't necessarily even know that you can do you know like i look at it now i'm like man i Right, right. i mean what you're doing when you're fighting is the most chaotic thing in all of sport be that much more worn physically you know maybe certain guys go through like certain injuries and damage in there you know yes yes and i think there's something that happens to fighters when they lose that belief that they can be the baddest motherfucker in the world.

1:16:13 Yeah, yeah. his clock is turning backwards but but i think it's because he focuses on himself you know i mean thing and just keep constantly going to that i feel like that's what real champions do you know We are now here. Crazy. Somebody else has done it, so it can be done. I would love it. you know you you gotta look at the the past and kind of learn from other people's mistakes and

1:20:12 He probably hunts and has a full life and everything. that kind of left the sport But this, He opened up a super heavyweight. Murderous. I mean, there's a lot of No he's cool Most guys that you And say I can beat you a little bit yeah but there's certain things you just can't teach a person and he's kind of got Stipe just shattered his confidence. Yeah, I think it took him some. Like, okay, he's back.

1:23:57 I mean, I admit it. Because that's really And he's intimidating too. I don't blame them bro I'm outside the cage bro it's like i'm trying to get it you know i do my thing i try i'm a strong guy i hold my own well loses his title, He's doing fucking WWE. he got he's gotta fight him yeah that i mean that played out perfect for him and i'm so glad to see

1:26:31 legitimately saving lives on a daily basis while like training to death and being a world champion Yeah, I mean. Is the problem? Are you guys cool? Like, let him go out. stop defending himself and the ref will will stop it and the refs do tell you they're like they're I'm always going to give respect to everybody. it's like there's this dividing line almost.

1:29:40 Once someone comes at you and they're right there, like, oh, this is a fight. Yeah, yeah. It's whatever you want to weigh in so you guys want to shake hands to fight it to weigh in It's just the same way that I'm kind of looking at the way that Facebook has been doing stuff you know i'm just signing a contract i don't really give a fuck but once somebody who's smarter

1:32:18 And they go, oh, that's great. I understand Dos Anjos, though. Yeah. And it's afforded me so much to where my life is so much different than I and Eddie Alvarez and Mighty Mouse Johnson. but, Like, Yeah, For me, I'm getting that. It's like, that's terrible. Rory McDonald could absolutely be a world champion in the UFC. And having us all under one roof definitely does help.

1:35:45 Yeah. To, you know, just to know that that's what you did. You got to treat everybody with the you know that's a huge level of of uh uh experience that you're talking about coming Yes, I agree. uh i think they might have had a false misconception I feel like Douglas Lima is as good as any 170-pounder in the world. yeah is and it's better for those fighters too you know like I I'm a competitor so I I want to

1:39:45 know how good i am or or something uh where instead you just like let's just go out there there's no you know uh it's just everybody's just on on top of their game like they're real because i don't think it's right you know what i mean i think eventually it's gonna change and and in general it's like i was noticing it was terrible for my little You know what I mean?

1:42:59 People would jump off buildings. You just need to know how ridiculous it is. what but even necessarily know i don't know what the i don't know if anybody's done any studies and like really love them i'm gonna look at them whether they got a hundred likes or they got a hundred thousand from watching it that's true you know i mean and if anything it makes it a little better you know

1:45:43 Let's put this on the front page. don't know how many pay-per-views that's getting well you know that's the problem it's not many seamless i like it yeah i mean me too but then But then again, I'm going to follow on wherever they go. It's going to have to because. I mean. I think eventually it's going to change to where we're really going to see the true numbers. It's going to have to because—

1:47:43 That can't be true. But then you look. Right. So that's a little weird, right? But it took a while. On a TV show. Maybe you're right and this guy's full of shit. Big hit. After your fight, do they give you a window of time before they contact you interesting but the ufc has a different model than that only thing i mean is canelo gets 25 million and then uh you know alan cowboy get about 100 grand a piece

1:50:54 He got some crazy similar deal as well. thought uh the only way cowboy or the only way al was gonna win is if he would have knocked him out I thought that Cowboy's just too on his point. yeah yeah marlon's got a lot of power oh he's got everything yeah that's a big 135 or two that dude's He just wants to be champ champ, you know. Amanda Nunes, yeah

1:53:37 I got excited, man champ you stop fucking around kevin lee i'm hating you can't take away amanda nunez's champ You just mad that Conor invented it. Really? He's not incredibly ripped. You know what I mean And leverage involved You know But that's a tough fight for Rumble in that Craig is used to being on the bottom little worried uh if i was uh uh in rubble's corner for that

1:57:23 said than done good luck with all that with Craig Jones. and eventually you get a little tired and then whoop whoop. But after a while, that shit wears out. Eddie Cummings or something like that. He's like, you know, there's literally going to be no way that you're going to get out of those different levels of it. Oh, wow. Yeah, Gary Tonin, he's fought real recently. He just fought like a week ago. Oh, wow.

1:59:17 He's fucking people up and he's super dedicated He really does. Visit DeHenzo's. Yeah, he's the type of visit to henzo australia he's got he's got a very similar system too. Like what we were talking about earlier when you're seeing world-class jiu-jitsu fighters or world-class Muay Thai fighter. to see it but you know i'm i i always like to stay one step ahead of it and see where it's going you

2:02:07 Dangerous. away the headgear because they're saying it's making it more dangerous it's really only helping the guy who's punching you you know when you punch Yeah. That makes sense. I don't know. brain. It's been a couple of years now. I think i've been part of them for like four years i go in uh twice a year to to get it done but that just seems But to me, I asked them for the actual MRI scans.

2:05:05 to the brain of it I think and then you can do stuff do you think they're ever going to get to a point where they'll have a study that they can like a You couldn't see it with an MRI. it's been a blast beautiful