Joe Rogan Experience #10073 — Jean Jacques Machado Transcript

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0:00 Boom! And we're live! Jean-Jacques! I think when we speak English, you have to use your tongue in a way that in Portuguese we are just flat out. Say Hickson. Yes. I think more places. It's a beautiful language. It's more almost like singing. than any other place. And in each school, the instructor has a different accent and different vocabulary, very few people understood how potent Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was.

3:40 You have a Gracie Umaitá, you have a Gracie Copacabana, you have a then future Gracie Barra, sport of Jiu-Jitsu a year. That's By the beginning of the 90s, I think the jiu-jitsu tournament started catching up more. Because there was no need for that. He was our instructor. In our time, if my instructor tells me I wanted to go and do that, and, in fact, Hickson was your instructor.

6:46 not knowing the rules of anything. I still don't know exactly the rules. But we were not, the relationship wasn't as well as it should be. I would fight for him for the rest of my life and period. oh Carlson Gracie Hickson Gracie I didn't know anything and I was a white belt and i was like oh another gracie oh this is like 10 minutes closer to my I was like, I didn't understand.

9:53 We don't have the same last name, Horian at the great school there. And we look like, what? He's a great guy. Literally, he trains every day. That's your school. I don't have to drive what can I tell more Came by to our school. and we want to make sure that this side of the family that we were representing, And we have a small place with the amount of people.

13:41 And that created a little situation back then. Why not? the most important thing for me as an instructor was I know you can fight, one of the students guys, I'm sorry. I don't have money to pay. A jujitsu addict. Oh, it's nothing. They would call him Victor for some reason. The name is so huge. a lot of recognitions Grace Jiu-Jitsu I mean, him take guys down and just strangle them like shit. And these guys were killers.

17:59 And I think back those days, the guy paid me $1,000 for the weekend. And here we are because we knew what jiu-jitsu is. because we showed something that There we go. Make you believe. No. Yes. Until soon, they're going to be able to do the same thing. You get choked, pretty soon you're going to be back one more time then we come back one more time then 40 years later you're still coming back for

21:20 Right. And you have so many different views that it's impossible for you not to learn and not That jiu-jitsu is almost like the way people talk. does not fit with my to yours, but not to his. I have some guys from Carson School. Phenomenal, man. Could be you, but he was right there. What was so good about him? with everyone you let your mom take his back, do whatever you want.

24:57 Get out. And I think the amazing thing was his confidence and belief on that. Man, he brought a lot of elements to jiu-jitsu. Who invented that? And the whole idea is move your body like the animals. It was something that sometimes on the exercise, And he brought that movement into jiu-jitsu, them to go. There we go. you're already two steps behind

28:09 That's why when you have one or two steps ahead, you don't have the time to defend. Because there was a lot of great guys, right? we need that energy yeah we need to walk without shoes we need to be near the mountains the water But if you're walking there, quite often you understand that you develop and still have that, oh, I heard something there.

30:08 jiu-jitsu is so much different than what most people experience on a daily basis where you're And then I say, how'd you get me? I think you're right. There's something to that something to that yeah well there's so much physical contact that that is true there's something to that but i think it's the the eye contact that when you promote someone's a flashback they go back like whoa yeah they realize all this time

32:20 more happy about getting that purple belt than i was about getting Fear Factor. I have to mention something because I get a lot of messages from people like, And I see him twist the people around say deserve is i don't defer people from more famous less famous thought no it's everybody motherfuckers I have in my school, And then I realized, Joe, you don't need me.

34:53 It didn't make any sense. He has all the tools for that. after a certain amount of time they really can't roll anymore they develop all these back problems And I see people insisting in getting there. a lot of other things You have so many things but I want to make sure When did he start rolling again? no rules throw each other out of the ring and that was something yeah very very challenging

37:40 Jiu-Jitsu never got harder than Jiu-Jitsu. You have a certain position that, but the physical therapy that I'm doing is being very helpful. If I don't have, I can learn how to do it. Man, I will tell you a funny story, what jiu-jitsu does for you. Go to your wife, dude. And I did not recognize him, I bump into you in the pharmacy. I'm not concerned.

40:30 My dear friend. No, no, no. It's been a while. Yes. Yeah. We'd go to a nightclub, And on the end, those people become students of our school. And they end up coming and learn that. and they're swinging, Most likely, I won't get hit and actually gets control of them, there's no lucky, Right. And then the wrestlers were learning how to keep them at distance. They were learning takedown defense.

45:19 to the generations from the 90s until up today it's It's two different kinds of Jiu-Jitsu. never weapon they give us like almost like a paper right we use a lot the neck But you were all overhooks and underhooks and grips around the body. great off his back, like Fabricio Verdun. Right. That means all my weight now is affecting you. He's going to hit you hard.

47:41 Yes, yes. It closes the distance. But once you learn how to do it, you save your life. It closes the distance. Mm-hmm. simple works all the time. Like Hickson style was the, Yes. You can't find him right I mean, it's not much where you can feel safe. Today they jump from number one beginning Because you are the best guy that I know of in terms of like you, you're, I mean, you have a little knee injury, a little meniscus.

51:24 but I get you well, than trying to get you 20 times. Sometimes people try to go after each other, and the injury will happen. Dean was so fucking below 170. And that because they're concerned he's an injury habit but it wasn't a good fight. because I was fighting on the 1-7. But he was very smart, not moving much. overhook and underhook powered you know you you transition so smoothly into no gi whereas a lot

54:35 But then I realized, man, Then I just go bring the guy to the ground, pull guard right away, and let's go. nothing standing five minutes this is the opposite Also known as being But it was fine. Good for me. being able to stay some hard time too. And if I understood back those days, those guys were some of these people that did not fit into the jiu-jitsu schools and they end up creating their own no-gi school. But you got to understand that in the 80s, our generation,

58:09 how to be on the bottom, somebody trying to slap you, what do you do. still out there and teaching And I think some of the MMA events that happened was the fight should be happening on the street. And that's why a lot of those events happen. Hickson fought Hugo Duarte. where most of the Jiu-Jitsu, where the pretty girls were. And Hickson was like, I'm the one.

1:01:02 And do you know who's filming that? So many bodies. green stripe yes and he had a long hair that day which they got grab his hair go. And the guy tapped and, stop, please, in a nightclub, look guys, because you're not going to be able to But we want to make sure nobody jumps in. I was behind him and getting punched, getting kicked from other people.

1:03:31 Then we hold each other, and I think this happened on Saturday. It just wasn't as comprehensive. Eugenio Tadeo. then it's jiu-jitsu. When we learn jiu-jitsu, and still today, we will not learn anything related to legs which will make even better his foot lock. of the game you know and uh and you you will see the development of people that will have defending that,

1:07:17 We do, we did practice, but the competition does not allow it. Yeah, but still to this day, meniscus tears and cartilage tears, those are still huge. Because if you get somebody who knows, he might tap or he might roll to the right side. you're not ready for legs yet. Because when we get tired, we pull guard. He's tired. now some of the guys that come from the gi world doing no gi they've

1:10:19 But it's the development and the evolution of the grappling world. Now I need more than that. so then they're open and I'm not able to submit him. My first shot is footlock him all the way. Yeah. I might be able to go and do MMA too. I have now to be aware more of my real fight. But if I did that with my knuckles, it would it doesn't hurt my hand at all but if I did that

1:12:52 in Portugal like that in Brazil. and we stand in front of each other and open hands, Yes, I do. Yeah? even in the morning to bring the best off already get I got to do a little bit more or do you do it I make the level of my students higher because they have a lot of energy And that's what I've been doing. What kind of training are you doing? That's the main thing.

1:16:10 That thing's incredible. It's incredible. After that, it gets dark. But at least you could train it safely now with the iron neck there was always a bunch of different ways where people trained that I have this. It's the same thing with the muscles around. Right. And some guys are very hard to sweep. Sure. Then you realize Oh man, Did you follow the Gracie diet?

1:19:46 I eat a lot of fruits, lots. Papaya in the morning, cream cheese and honey. Yeah, I was sure of that today. I mean, things that are good for your body. Go up two pounds, go down two pounds. But for me, the main thing is to stay healthy. Why do you have a headache? Yeah. I sit there for, I don't know, an hour and just forget about life. Breathe. and the one that is pretty big.

1:23:28 I say, man, it's not what you say. People get tired. You know? do yeah there's no it's it's not an option it's not an option become not at all and as soon as i which should be working right now more than ever. that what you say and what you do And, man, I love what I do. Like, I can't be, Sometimes I have high belt students or even lower belt students that show up for training.

1:26:35 And when I noticed the time, how long he fights, every time he's fighting, I'm going to get there with his rooster. He said, no, I said one minute. And I can see the change that made in that person. I prohibit anybody this was my way to work out his psychological to build him up he wasn't in the best shape he We're using the same idea of my uncle telling me a story

1:29:11 whenever you think you're tired, He's dead. You can be tired. If you want to win the tournament, then you have to do more. jiu-jitsu because i keep telling people and I always put them in their minds for them to get better and believe in themselves. believing so much more attached to a jiu-jitsu school. Yeah. train enough grappling for MMA. Right. Like American Top Team, right?

1:32:23 Who the fighter is going to listen to. from standing to the ground or the ground to standing. And you see, that's when the injury can be resting, that they can live well not all of them unfortunately that's why they have to keep I only made 10 of those. Thank you for being such a great leader and a role model. hey, why don't you go mixed martial arts world,

1:35:43 you have in a martial arts and the knowledge I think we have a lot of affiliations schools around here. Kings Combat Sports. you have the best fucking school i've ever been to in the world and uh it's a beautiful environment Thank you, Joe.