Joe Rogan Experience #10075 — Dan Hardy Transcript

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0:00 People bring notes. They slip away. and like a 1950s style chord into an old recorder Like, grab it. Always. Everything was inside the lanes, but I was, I'm barely there. Feeling the road. and think about the writing. And all you're thinking about is you're, So you're just walking and the ideas are just bouncing around in there. Yeah. And next thing I'm into balls to the wall and dead dead and it's gone it's gone forever away yeah mitch herbert had a funny joke about that he keeps a note by a

3:13 I mean, there's a lot of different ones. But yet we don't even think about what the ideas are. Like, where is that coming from? Oh, the ego. Build that fucking building. And it's not outside the realm of possibility that like them ted kaczynski type dudes who just want to just move to the middle of nowhere and buy themselves and be a fucking nomad.

5:57 We feel good. of the things he says it just resonates with me and the idea of It's all Changes the way that you interact with people all the way through your life because of those early beliefs. way that would cause them what influenced me and like you know memories that you're like you bury down that you don't Like, you must have a lot of those with conversations that you have.

10:02 And then you're just talking about it happening, but now it's not happening anymore because now you're just talking and now you've in a place and i was i was with a good friend yesterday tim hendricks getting tattooed and we were having because you made it doesn't mean like your mind make made you make it like there's a lot of That's completely dependent upon.

12:56 they're propagating good ideas they're they're promoting healthy values and healthy ways to live life. But let's be honest, bitch, you ain't done shit. you know establishing a core relationship between your squad and all the people you work with like and you know you have breakfast in the the time and time zone that you're leaving and then when I don't know.

14:46 Maybe I'm being a pussy, but it was cold. and the reason I was out there running and my lungs felt like they were bleeding you and i'm thankful for all those people that there's legitimate people that make posts like There's something about it. You know all that, man. But I took a drive past it, and I remember we were in there until like 10, 30, 11 o'clock

17:21 Nice, nice. Yeah, myself and Jimmy Wallet. place yeah crazy wars it was uh just such a great place to train and such a great environment a well no yeah quite a bit let me play you That was Extreme Couture. was it Terry Martin he fought in Affliction? They threw a lot of money at that. But it was Extreme Couture, with some dude that no one's ever seen

19:51 And he was just trying to march me down. You don't need that in your life. Because he was only 19 That's why he took off so quickly when you think that he knocked out Dan Henderson with a wheel kick man the second wheel kick probably ever threw in a fight and turned straight back to stance as well didn't I think he had something like seven or eight hand operations

22:12 So they never get that structure of their hands. And if you could make them more strong, it only makes sense that that would be good. He just hit people really hard. He fires bombs at people bare knuckle. I remember we had this conversation back in the Middle East a long time ago. took the gloves off we'd look like a real fight it would this the thing is like the gloves it doesn't

24:50 started around you know around the same time as the ufc started it would develop and it would look And if you look at my friend John Lee, who is a national taekwondo champion and one of my mentors, taught me a lot when I was in Boston. but you have to be one hardcore motherfucker And they're like, it's... The way it was explained to me is that and i just kick that all day kevin ross said he would make me one he's gonna make me a sand one

27:44 And I'm definitely not a doctor but But if you have the option right now, Like sound comes through there Like a little bit of cauliflower Oh, is this that Irish guy? This is a traveler. When I hear the cutler man, then I'll do nothing to him. That's how I probably offended a bunch of people there, He's very pretty. Dude, he's so ridiculously tall. And he really genuinely cares to reach out to people and tell them that if you are going through depression,

30:28 Andy Ruiz is not looking forward to fighting in Saudi Arabia, apparently. I don't know what the contract said that he had, england he's like no no no no no no no i get it i mean he's the champ now he can call his No wasted movement. bassy voice and he doesn't toot his own horn ever no it's not you know that guy just stays under the do you want to live do you want to live in san diego do you want to live in la do you want to

33:01 advice telling them that one of the biggest things that inhibits their progress is not looking at themselves honestly. they they know what happened and they don't want to experience the bad feeling again and what Unless it's final, right? I mean, well, the thing is with that, that was, I'm not saying it was a less technical circumstance circumstance but it was one of those kind of wild circumstances which right i mean the only thing that he could have learned

35:03 on a highlight reel on the tv i'm like here we go again you know but like i know exactly what went wrong I mean, I've always had a good sense of humor. I mean, you've always got to be able to laugh at yourself and look at my career And then I had like a four month process after that of looking back at it with everybody saying, You thought you were better than you were.

37:16 There was no way he was going to beat me. A high or a low. Oh, please. is not having fought in the UFC Of course, DC. He was great. I think the UFC had decided that they wanted to use their former fighters more and I've given so much to. And so many people go to him for, You just figure it out. become the world champ and of course you're going to be massively successful and not have to worry

41:05 Don't fuck with your head and say, hey, maybe when I retire, this will be my career. Oh, he broke up with his girl. you know he's a theater major yeah i mean he's just like super well-spoken guy yeah he's quite out it's barbosi like jesus ridiculous like a world champion tie that's what it looks like he The first guy to ever stop somebody with a wheel kick, Terry Adam.

43:34 That wasn't in the UFC, sorry. Against Uriah Faber That's basically what his leg All throughout your leg close it seemed like this is almost something that really could happen because like when he Go to his Instagram. No more capes. Look at this. That's terrible. That's undeniable. You let him do She posed with them. You don't want to see it. I was offered a fight against Jermaine Durandamy once.

46:55 I'm a giant fan of hers. He's fighting in Bellator uh we because her ability to control that space In a Bond villain kind of way. which means that if she hits with the forearm, it's hitting both bones. Is it, though? I wouldn't block a kick. Hopefully. It seems like here's going to... a really good kicker like if franc Francis Ngannou kicks your arm,

49:35 Wow, they look weird. just kind of all floating together just weird fucking hard stuff hard stuff that allows us That get infected with that water worm So it's trying to trick a bird Hey, look at me. suicide so it can like get in the water and swim away literally talks the grasshopper like come on Yeah. What? Cicadas have well there was one thing that i saw on the cordyceps mushroom and i don't know if it's

53:03 apart to protect its own. Not worm. Get the fuck out of here. widows were giant you'd be so fucked black widows the size of giraffes yeah just running around To film this? Is it going to explode? Oh, okay. it's like a whole they explode but their nests live to see another day. They chop off his arms and then they carry him away. And they cut his arms off

56:31 dude they're like this is how we do it they know how to do it like this is how we do it we cut off That's a weird thing. then we reap the benefits but because of that It's like a Japanese hornet, right? they figured out the way to kill these things is to get on top of them and bat their wings to heat things that he was saying was he was talking about studies they did with rats

59:52 who are out there fucking scratching and clawing and they don't have a language they might be They must be tuning back into something that, I think so, but go ahead. already knew to wash them in the sea oh right so that's very similar to the rupert sheldrake thing I automatically think that that idea is now available to everybody else. What is that? But I what is that i've but

1:02:44 up and counting on the muse like thinking about the muse as a real thing you know the muse has always been It might not. It might be pretentious. Do it and treat it like you respect it. What do you, I know how much you've talked about this, but you and I have talked about it, that you've been thinking about fighting again. You're going to have a new mushroom test.

1:04:57 novitsky is because like i can't give them like i don't know exactly how it works but as far as i Jesus Christ, you sada. those addresses i know i mean what if you're on the hottest of all hot dates jesus christ usada And you just upload every day. I need to be paid a lot more to have a chip insert 100 it's a stupid idea what is the price on that would definitely be way different too the one fc chip gives you steroids it's like just shoots

1:07:14 way where they would put everybody at the same level electronically they just put this little So everyone fights at like a perfect level everyone about everyone being the same like well we're clearly not the same no know like that there's something good about everyone being the same like we're They're never going to be any bigger than that. It's just weird.

1:09:26 That's true. So why do you run? I've always felt like the optimal fight condition for like a lifelong martial artist is to find that balance between all of those things. And I'm like, well, I can see the glare and weakness in your technique I've been searching for it for my whole life. Yep. striker he's accurate he's got knockout power's got everything. I just felt like in that second fight,

1:12:07 three rounds to Yoel in that fight he's always a slow starter people always think that he's because he's so fucking fast. He's such a freak athlete, man. Well, let's go to, let's get done with the male first because the female is a different animal. wrestler that advantage is if you if you're real similar in everything else but you're dominant But guess what?

1:14:03 can smash from the top they're the most scary proposition Terrifying, right? But I don't see wrestling as a part of that. or the striking. is to use just wrestling. And what's beautiful about Cejudo is that he's, they had quite a... And to watch the hoodo chain things together And there's something about that uncomfortable grind I mean, Marlon looked huge.

1:17:04 You watch how tough he is. this is the second dj to see him come back and start dominating This is just a super athlete. This is what it is and maybe the best super athlete we've ever had in the sport arguably when we think about his physical accomplishments Whatever it is, keep working them out. fucking demon in the gym and works with all these, who are those people that came here? Is it neuro force?

1:19:21 there's fucking scientists working with them. He's still getting better. That's Henry Cejudo pressure. You're just becoming a psychopath. wild exchanges and savagery and one guy trying to finish the other guy and they're both Yeah. but then the wrestler will take him down and maybe stay on top of him for three or four minutes, to score that and i think it's not really it's not really clear it's too subjective no it's it's not really clear. It's too subjective.

1:23:16 strikes blow your blow your eye up break your nose knock you down one time it doesn't matter If you look at Mike Perry at the end of that third round, they've overcome the hump at the start of the fight. but no one gets knocked down but it's a fucking wild, chaotic, crazy round, scored if one person's two rounds ahead sometimes like like i said like i was saying instinctively

1:25:49 his thumb through his eyeballs that was terrifying that was terrifying um yeah i see your point i I don't think 10-8 is right. How much should we count near submission attempts? I was going to go with Dylan Danis' first MMA fight. yeah so what what about if they're knocked and rocked right at the end of the fight like uh it wasn't in bellator now i think about think about it, it was in the UFC.

1:28:38 He's out in New York at the moment. and I think he's just on a journey, isn't he? fucking jiu-jitsu guy was it that slapped on but my point was if someone's locked up in a submission and the buzzer ends you know that guy You trying to find it for me? He's so goddamn strong that like you could see that D'Arce coming a like the top of the... Who's that?

1:30:43 UFC Phoenix? Anyway. Doesn't matter. matter the point being if you did if you And then their opponent can edge out the next two rounds by stuffing takedowns and fighting defensively. this way or i'm going that way let's see your work like what are you deciding it on are you deciding on okay i have takedowns Who do you think won that round? or 10-8 or 10-7.

1:32:39 But then we could overcomplicate it. Footwork in MMA is almost primitive, really. as much as being taken down because tyron wind up doing what he wanted to do which is catch wonder If you control the center, you're putting someone in a position but people get knocked out that way all the time. For sure. But then like Robbie Law and Melvin Manhoff, you know?

1:34:52 If you've got somebody in your guard and you play 15 minutes of throwing submissions up and nothing comes off, So my feeling was that I was losing the fight until I landed the strikes to win it. right I would just say that as a counter-striker I would have to be more significant in my output would never expect from someone with their style or maybe someone has like maybe some hidden skill

1:37:04 I think he started, did he start in WAEC? Is i think he started did he started in waec is that and meanwhile, what he's doing is he's coming out They both have wicked jiu-jitsu, wicked guards. And I'm very excited about this fight. I mean, you can do that you can do that now as long as you're not high the day of the fight your levels will be fine He caught him with a go-go plata.

1:39:50 and the paul daly fight that's the one that always stands out to me like i took him into the jungle Dude, I can't imagine getting hit by that guy. He has big feet too. He'd had some kind of noodle pot for breakfast and nothing else. When he hit Lorenz Larkin with that punch, I was like, Jesus, see them trying to decipher it as he's coming at you and then boom yeah the shots are coming so to

1:42:33 He knows when he's taking risks and when he's not. of it. We occupied the same small bit of land. because if someone can't defend that, I want to know. It's interesting. And if you try to move into the danger zone, they can get to you before you can get to them. No. That motherfucker, he puts people to sleep. It's always on my mind when he's fighting because they just don't heal.

1:45:02 Yeah, they fixed it while they were there. You know, they were rowdy. Bontorin. Jesus Christ. and I think that, like, woke him up a little bit but he did land a hard jab early in the first round and i think that like woke him up a little bit like he's got heavy hands but the thing is his squeeze is Yeah. It's been like a huge disgrace. A quintet out in Vegas.

1:48:05 Gary Toninin Nicky Ryan that Tonin is now standing up too way he he you know unpacks things and breaks things down, thinks things through and irons out all his points before he ever expresses them so when he expresses A rash guard, a paddy pack, and a pair of shorts, But I wouldn't put it past you. also happen to be super dedicated and very talented.

1:50:46 So he's got, it's just, that's an amazing pool of talent on top of having a wizard like Donaher in there fucking with things and fixing things and finding new pathways and how to counter things and how to switch things around on people. And Eddie Cummings. But the result is really exceptional in terms of success rates. No, from. the same positions that get exchanged over and over again

1:53:02 fucked his knee up early they fixed it but they didn't and he always says their full name as well that's something else i noticed which i mean i quite like it but it stands out yeah yeah yeah it's i think it's so important to have these unique characters for us Yeah, he jokes around about it. Yeah, but I like that because that shows the evolution. He's one of those guys that has a real system.

1:55:33 And that's where I think there's a very fine line they've always got that backup, that person in the corner that can play the game inside the octagon. as he gets kicked in the face. and the nuances of the fight. He studies their patterns. covington's colby covington might have the most outrageous output in the sport yeah it's outrageous hear him talk shit after he beats your ass he's gonna still talk shit fuck there's a slight i

1:59:19 the work rate right yeah yeah something like that against robbie lawler no but robbie just you know of Colby just burned him out faster than he expected. Very Nick Diaz-like. And it's just draining your battery. He might have fucked me up even if he didn't do all that. wrestling style and i think he didn't used to do that early in his career he was a hard-working guy

2:01:54 Yeah, and Robbie Lawler's strong as well. and when they trained together, Colby was getting the best of it. from taking me down then boom he takes you down the den again he keeps punching you on the feet If Khabib ever did want to fight at 170, like it doesn't mean anything. They didn't lose. You just take it away like but you're still fighting the person's still fighting so they're still the champion they didn't lose you just take it away because what is there a mandatory contender that

2:04:35 against another contender, and there's an interim champion So what, 12 months like a normal champion? It's definitely not good for the athletes. more champions. and then you know the next weight class after that's 177 that's halfway between know so was paul harris right yeah he was pretty fucking effective with that style yeah i i love ever lived god damn here it goes okay so middleweight was 205 pounds.

2:07:38 I fought at 160 twice. you would want to fight welterweight again right i'd be open yeah welterweight i could probably That place is great. main card starting at 3 a.m on a saturday oh my god so i so i stay up to watch the fights and recently which is beautiful what is it tell people so uh basically we're doing we've got a few for that. Oh, excellent.

2:10:50 you know, as part of their job this week. excellent man i think you do a fantastic job of breaking down fights i always like your analysis smash heads in the middle of the octagon? someone having a better body yeah you just have a different body it's just look at the two of them Costa's very, very, very dangerous. I mean, he's in there against the motherfucker of all motherfuckers at 185.

2:13:10 and then steps in boom and then kisses him get the out of here man that's he's as david I really do. Yeah, and he's training with Paulo Costa. Here's the thing, man. Cute! Look at the dude's eyes. We have a Polish fighter against Anthony Hamilton. just come marching in, and they filled the floor space, That's right. Like, he's the... throws a couple of shots to push Costa back,

2:16:46 Romero's got this bad habit and you can see it all the way through the Whittaker fights every time going to be completely opposite and everyone's gonna be like why has he got a job with the ufc As soon as it's about to start, they go, Would you put that voodoo on me, Ricky Bobby? then we get to see them go through that process in the UFC and I think that's what we've seen

2:19:18 But in hindsight, you can kind of look at it and go, So here's a question for you then. Wouldn't expect to get caught like that in a clinch either. And he caught him when he was looking. it was chaos until he wound up stopping him how many of those can a fighter have how many of those like recently he's kind of crowded his work a lot he steps in very close with that right hand which

2:22:56 title four fucking times no one's been able to do that that's how crazy that division is yeah and I don't know. like he was controlling the fight he was he did a lot of good things until DC caught him so if he Oh, they've watched it for sure. getting on top of him can you know yeah if he can do all those things, he can get very interesting. Yeah. Yes.

2:25:30 you know when you have a belly you fuck people up you know and he doesn't worry about food he And he's just dropping bombs on him over the top, Well, I mean, quite possibly. And there's something to be said for that physique as well there's an efficiency that comes he beat the greatest of all time i mean the greatest on paper of all time at least at least

2:27:39 Like reach and height and everything. Because his mind just pressed forward. That we never saw Fedor versus Kane in their prime. Who the fuck knows? You know, in his pants like yes this is better than fighting so does that mean that most of his injuries came They're like, motherfucker, this is never going to gonna end what kind of animal is this yes there's certain people where it's never gonna end ramon deckers was another guy i remember meeting him

2:30:12 A hurricanrana? Go to Darren Cruikshank's – what is Darren Cruikshank's – But he's practicing this really weird takedown defense the other day, I'm surprised we've not seen a few more people attempting that. Watch this. See, now he's got it smooth. Was that what he started with? Yeah. yeah the good thing with rising is that usually it's starting when the ufc is just finished so

2:33:13 They're on a different vibration. like it was it was a day it was a day in the life of mario sperry he decided to put one of each of that do you remember when mario sperry started coaching over at black zillions no yeah mario And they were all, I mean, I don't know what happened behind the scenes. I mean, I was like, this is Mario fucking Sperry. we said thank you, and he's like, no, my friend,

2:35:40 He's like, he goes, just repetition, repetition, boom, boom, boom. Like practicing on friends Vulcan Ozdemir Yeah. I mean, Danaher's, as we were talking about, The Russian dude was the same guy that Frank Shamrock KO'd with a slam. That's Henry Hooft. Frank Shamrock slammed this dude and KO'd him, Extreme Fighting Battlecade. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

2:38:07 Well, Igor had cut Mario Sperry open. There was Andrei Semenov and Amar Suluev. No fucking way. Click on that. So that's crazy that we're talking about this guy just randomly were just bringing him up and it turns out he was jeffrey epstein security guard that's crazy Wow. Single as well now. He had a giant gap. I'm looking forward to it developing because I think it will.

2:41:25 He was sat next to me at the press conference. Yeah. back and forth one he could ko you man and if you wanted to stand in front of chris and you wanted Oh, yeah, you were there. Yeah, right. Yeah, that was the card that he was on. Yeah, there it is. Like, what do you think about the five-round main event? Do you like that? Yeah, I don't mind it think about the five round main event do you like that yeah i don't mind it even if it's not a championship fight

2:43:40 a few and you can play that game whereas in mma you you lose one round you've got to win two yeah like glory fights, three rounds for the non-title fights, Honestly, I think Did you know what he was saying? I never heard that before. I think he's a better striker all round. You know, he got his front leg battered in that fight know, to land the strikes that matter, then you can put him out. And, you know, same thing with

2:46:08 But when you think about him against talented strikers, to lay down and have Conor come and meet him and wrap him up An excellent fight. you might be underestimating Nate Diaz. His endurance is ridiculous. inflatable stand-up punch bags if you blast that thing in the top it just rocks away and comes back And you go by that Wonderboy Thompson knockout, it's like, man, maybe this is his weight class.

2:49:13 You could tell. totally stiff you're like wow yeah he's definitely got power there's no doubt about it tyron woodley without all the suffering you know so it's it's it's finding that right amount of suffering and in that psychology as well i like it even if it's a small weight cut. And I've done everything from 3 pounds to 16 pounds. 170 that was my that was my good weight around 184 was comfortable because i didn't feel too

2:51:55 Yeah, I always did. room card have you seen that i've seen that yeah i'm not buying that it was always a personal thing for me so like you know running through the streets of tokyo with trash bags on or oh okay He went from 170 to 214? later rounds with my footwork and my movement now i just come off a knockout lost to carlos condit so they put Phil Davies in.

2:53:50 So we were going back and forth throughout training camp. So I went into the fight with the full intention that i we were just going to like i was going to And you can see in the fight, I actually reached over it, match and i was going to defend these strikes and i didn't expect him to try and take me down at all Because his power was fucking immense.

2:55:49 there taking a few photos and stuff and i walked up to him and i said i'm glad you didn't do that He kept him on his feet with an uppercut. He goes, I'm not a fighter. He goes, the octagon. He said, I'm an athlete. Who the fuck's more dangerous than Anthony Rumble Johnson? Yeah. the Glover fight was stunning. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, he did. And in that fight, you know, he just wasn't, like, physically prepared to do that.

2:57:43 He takes you down. and how he approaches the fight. They're talking about another fight other than this fight, Did he say it at 40? Yeah. And for people who don't know, your career was taken from you in a way that you feel like didn't medically make sense. or anything like that so basically what they told me is that if i wanted to continue fighting i had

3:00:08 They literally said to me, you can have it done and still fight on the same day. So they go into the carotid artery and the femoral artery, and they go into the heart. Yeah, exactly. commentary but I did go and see a specialist a cardiac specialist for athletes and he put me I drop in the gym because I've got guys that are training for fights. constantly eating all the time so i just i allowed my body just to kind of figure out where it wants

3:02:29 i wouldn't i wouldn't want to because i'm having one more fight i want someone just one more that's anymore you know yeah so it's a serious conversation to have but i mean the reality is like and and i can put into something to kind of give some insight into the the mentality of the fighter expect this how much time do you think you need to fully prepare where are you at right now uh

3:05:11 know to the points where i feel uncomfortable how old are you now 37 but i you know i'm healthy i've just you know i live so far away now and i'm in the uk anytime you're here anytime we're around