Joe Rogan Experience #10086 — Josh Thomson Transcript

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0:00 Three, two, one. Joshua! What's happening, my man? makes people like oh wow they're gripped to the tv this i can understand what steven ate but this is Okay. You calling that guy a quitter? He got storm a football game in 40 seconds. and he basically commented on it. These guys lay it on the line every time. very offensive when they get offended when things like this.

2:50 it's radio or television, And you can do that in sports radio. it's not the same thing. You're not someone who's been there on every level of Look, Max Kellerman is a different animal. he's really entertaining. and he gets real loud I think it's a bad idea. Is he that person in real life? all these impressions and he would do this guy the Dice Man and he would do these fucking rhymes and

5:41 You lean into your fans. I'm like, the fuck you didn't? I learned something from him. Look, Eddie, to me, Yeah, because maybe he tried to finish him at the end because he's such a knockout artist and he's so good. and discussing these, not people who don't understand the sport and go, what are you guys fucking talking about yeah i mean i would have preferred to talk to dc

8:24 someone else who knows for him to call MMA. I don't And that was the conversation. whether it's dick punching or something else. Yeah. Every time I've talked to him and met with him and worked with him side by side as well, back in to work with you alongside. on on tv doing commentary on cricket We would look out of place. You're naked emotionally.

11:02 It's different. He's the top paid. i had his contract up he's got like an extension to get like eight million a year now or something like that yeah and that's because he's so his personality is so fun He can say all the things he wants to talk about a guy who can't show up on game day, yes these things happen in mma yeah that's definitely not the words you want to use in

13:39 until he sees cowboy in an elevator go ride a fucking head buddy who's quitting now bitch yeah you know just gonna sock you look everybody knows what happened what happened is Is he defending him? I think it's fine Oh, DC's a wonderful person So people keep talking. Like I said, I've met him a couple of times. That's how I've always treated it. Yeah, I feel, so I listen to your show quite a bit

17:51 Like, hey, this guy is good, this guy is good, Also, the sport is confidence. And when you take a loss, I'm not saying ruin their career, and all the things that he's done from before in the past. This is it. I know them personally, and we should just be talking in general about lifting these guys up to the next level. you know he's probably really fucked up like that emotionally because Aldo was super respected. He was the fucking king

20:54 He lost his composure. That to me is, you're over the, That's a separate issue than doing what some guys do. when they see him, hey, great fight. shaking hands and being like, That's what it's always been about. and the fucking boos were so crazy? think when there's disres blatant disregard or disrespect for somebody especially of that caliber Conor at 170,

23:16 because we saw Yeah, guys like Usman. I didn't see him train with Jordan, but I heard And it was – yeah. Wow. Sure, guys want to one-up each other when it comes to sparring, And Javier first. Those guys all linked up. And they're big, big into wrestling. You know what I mean? this amount of money because there's so much hype around you, So when he wanted to stay at 55, we said, okay, we'll give it a go.

27:10 good, decent submissions, not a world beater, but he was good. which works if you've perfect for him because he's there with good really really good grapplers and really really I mean, at a young age, he's, you know, he's winning everything. And that's not always the someone like pico's parent his dad and his you know his brother i think we're kind of helping

29:43 and we're sparring in little gloves, not 16-ounce gloves, it changes. And he's also a really young guy who's experienced some pretty high highs and pretty low lows very quickly i think guys need Most guys get thrown to the wolves really quickly. Okay, we're going to try you against a long, lanky striker. And then all of a sudden you're there. And he called and said, hey, Pettis is out.

32:15 He's like, fine, I'm going to shelf you for six months. Yeah, it is, though. He's like, you see all these? Do you just take a fight because for a title yeah and then they're saying go fight some savage from the fucking mountains. And I think I've seen, But he still had some submission defense, good leg locks, good. Guys like Gray Maiden and all those guys.

34:18 Wow. Ben is hurting now, man. Why? and then see if he needs a hip replacement after. and they're training on injuries and just pushing through the pain, that money? And I'm like, you guys I never thought about it. And I think the same thing about 1FC. the expression of martial arts, position where mighty mouse was like look i'm not going to make as much money in the next fight

37:26 Because then you could set up potentially like a cross-promotional fight So I worked for one for a while and I work for Bellator now, but I was doing case commentary He's got dogs in his hands. But he's got heavy dogs, He's elite in terms of There's some guys over there. There's hundreds of guys like that out there. But they're great jiu-jitsu guys.

39:51 that he was fighting and get on top I say he's going to get knocked out. Something full along, and there was talk and conversation about this guy was going to knock out Timothy. And Big John has talked to me about being in the cage, roughing Max's fights. just from what I can see, Patricio, he'll hook somebody. So there's Patricio, which is the can make themselves better. I'm not going to go

42:16 him. Juan Archuleta didn't one craft that man you just can't get to them I love Brendan, man. Just a sprinkle. I disagree. Paul Daly mercs people, man. This is going to be a boring fight. He's so good. see paul daly taking him down and i was like i can't believe this i remember like the fucking If we put him back in the UFC, I'd still say he's probably in the top five or six.

45:16 which could get them in trouble against somebody like him Forced him into a dog fight. He just wore him out. But just the fact that Nick fought him that way. Like, come on, motherfucker. What is this? What are we doing, bitch? And I'm like, this is, shut the fuck up. harder and it makes you more tired and the fact that Nick was doing it and out cardioing him.

47:39 somebody like Nick do that Those guys are fucking animals. like that and i and i look at guys, and they're really good people. Agreed. He's going to disrupt your breathing by constantly his will to beat you was just unstoppable I was like, hey, I cannot stop, otherwise I lose my time. Okay, one more goal ahead. That's next level boxing that we hadn't seen in MMA at the time.

50:48 I give him a real shot. But once I did the research on him leading up to our fight, He's good with the darts. He's good with the guillotine. press against the fence, doing that he can He'll hit it from anywhere. I just think that physically strong, he is not. Honestly, when I shook his hand at the weigh-ins, were from him with wrist control and him elbowing

53:44 Your eyebrows are not going to stop everywhere. And I'm just thinking to myself, Yes. Right. I would prefer that being in Vegas. Because, yeah, I've done that a lot with my therapist. Tiago Santos has zero knees. I was like, man, if you hadn't got hurt, how would this fight have been different? Yeah, but you got to remember, though, remember Patrick Cote did the same thing with Anderson Silva?

55:53 Yeah, but he tore it, though. Yeah, I know. He's rapping. I mean, like, that's the thing is I own a fitness gym. or whether it's owning a gym so it's a lot of work when I'm not there. they run the fort while I'm gone. look at my cameras, That's awesome. that's the fitness side of it. The Jitsu part of it. Like sure. The Jitsu nerds, That's really what it comes down to.

58:58 And a lot of guys are doing podcasts now because of that. So my last fight was against Patrycki Pitbull, which is Patricio's brother. What's next? wasting two, and hit mitts with my trainer. Why? Get established first and another job. Okay. Start making that I can't give any better advice than your new life is going to cost your own one. the highs of victory they They're always chasing that.

1:01:40 Let me see the hearts. And Terry Norris? and Holyfield did it for years. Because they just love it. to it later when you're established year now of work of all four of these other companies to make what I was making really good money joe it takes me a whole year now of But he also had to line himself up with great people. And this class was at like 9.30 or 10.30 in the morning on a Tuesday.

1:03:56 What's up? When you move on, keep that same positive energy in everything you do. Focus on what's next and be positive as you do it. Yeah. It's really all it is. You remember being the guy that gets his hand raised and have thousands of people screaming and cheering. And as far as with women, look, women go through the baby fat stage like kids do. You look at Jennifer Aniston when she was probably in her early 30s or late 20s.

1:06:36 But I think a majority of women, though, between that 32 to 36, 37, that could be their sexual P. there was as they are now and now all of a sudden they've got so much work done, It's also, you see girls in their early 20s getting their face shot up. They want to fill their cheeks in with those fillers and all that stuff? That means a lot. I mean, boxing had it with George Foreman and a little bit with Roy Jones Jr. But for the most part, the people that are doing commentary,

1:08:52 fighting, you don't know fighting. Yeah. We'll give you a try. And so when I get now in front of the microphone and you're, you know, and we, I'm holding Yes. You're going to get surprised. ruth's fight and i already knew that ed knocked the guy out it was like it was very awkward i was And I had to answer questions with him. at a desk ever sitting.

1:12:14 He's a great guy. But he'll read it one time everything live, like on He's an animal. And I kid you not, um, man, It's like, ugh. We had a good time. You've got to. You know how to talk. base and what he understands and doesn't he's got a great sense of humor great guy yeah i gotta tell Everything I've ever heard, DC talks that's when I actually started really liking him.

1:15:49 They want to be the we worked together we meshed and he was great like and he's like hey man i don't know any of But then after that, he never, he never, but he also went to a couple of jujitsu gyms and he's progressively gotten better and better they will come down on you like a ton of bricks. Because, you know, there's so many fans. it's not about you anymore.

1:18:04 That this guy is the best guy. So he's probably the best, but he just doesn't know how to get there. I don't know. that clear path because Brendan was saying like there are guys out there, Yeah. He's so powerful. Dana's already wrote the story That narrative was written for all the media to go ahead and follow because that's, before they wrote pen to paper, that's what the narrative was.

1:20:56 Strikeforce, and we got no respect, man. You have to remember this. Like at the end of the day, to me, it's about making money. They care. world-class fighters everywhere it's not like basketball or football where the best guys are But at the end of the day, it's about MMA fights. It wasn't a sport anymore. Now, even though it's an individual sport and sure you guys should be pumping your

1:24:28 what the guys were making in the top five in the UFC at the time. Now there was a lot of talk about I couldn't really negotiate at the time. I've learned a lot from watching him on how he approaches not just fighters, but the promotion itself. with him a lot. I've never once Yeah. Like I said, I'm obsessed with Douglas Lima fighting at 170 pounds. I think he can win that fight.

1:27:28 When Fedor was a champion, they would get bummed out that I kept mentioning him. a lot of them weren't real. Because it wasn't in the contract. I fought over there, and they of those guys were on the Mexican juice. But because it wasn't in a giant bold print. It was like, Let's make the best fight. And honestly, I think everyone did. The logo is simple.

1:29:28 Shout out to Terry Trofocock, dude, that guy. Because even though he's not getting rich, but he's also making sure that young and up-and-coming fighters have a way to get their name out there and still fight at a high level. They used to have this guy who was this enormous fucking bald bodybuilder dude who was the It's a fighting mascot. Do you remember the early days of the UFC?

1:30:57 Like, look at this. Like basically what Dana and Lorenzo and those guys did, basically made it simple like that. And at the end of the day, it's the you know, the execs talk and they're like, So this weekend we have Cyborg fighting Julia Budd for the title, And I need to remind you guys her only two losses Jesus Christ. Who knows? But I think there's a lot to be said. Cyborg doesn That's a bold statement. Can she take a shot from Cyborg? Who knows?

1:33:02 Well, after Cyborg got flatlined by Amanda Nunes, And when she got hit, I'm going to hit you back. to rise to the occasion when she pushed Amanda back, It was a very sloppy fight and choosing her shots. So she was making and then she got put away later in the fight which just shows how tough Kat Zingano is Kat And the fact that she was able to stop her and beat her down before she stopped her.

1:35:50 because I think that Cyborg would have fought a smarter fight Oh, you know the answer to that. mistreatment in that big stage. Cyborg's boyfriend put out a video And that's when they released her. that when she was with So that first fight, she hadn't lost since then. Like she wants to fight easy fights. The narrative is that, Well, I just think it's a business decision.

1:38:40 I just feel like it's just But they got fucked over because they actually sent Chuck over there, trying to force the issue with Chuck Liddell fighting Vanderlei. And remember that. and they sent Aoki over, I'm going to run about four or five miles, see how I feel, I can understand why they're hesitant to do cross promotion. So it's different. They really want to put fights together

1:41:06 prime. He's like, get the fuck out of here. one of the first guys to explode on the scene that had Dude, when I met him, if you stand next to him, you just go, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. And then he walked out. He's like, look, I was there. Like, what are you talking about, man? He's like, no, no, I tell them it's 60 grand and I give you a minute 20.

1:43:24 I'm going to try to get him out of there. Yeah. it in the right hole. That's all it is. I think it was He was switching his stance. When he fought Minotauro, I remember Eddie Bravo and I were watching it, It's nothing if you're too big. And they're like, in Japan, they're like, yeah, fuck yeah, die. A little bit. It's very strange. But over there, it's so funny.

1:45:59 So I ended up fighting him. down, I was belly down, and I'm like, Dave Camarillo was like, where the culture this is kind of cool. distracting yeah you're like yeah i'd rather hear the crowd it's funny i wonder if you get used to You know, it's crazy. background yours being initially wrestling yeah and then you see the third wave guys are the guys I would say he was probably the first right but the first I felt like the

1:49:16 And he made sure that was clear. So he made sure that Tito understood how conditioning worked, and he just trained him in his regimen. phenomenal cardio and maurice uh also trained bob sapp too yes yeah that's that's a there's such an interesting time where things shifted and guys started to figure out the overall puzzle of mixed they always put their hands on the mat. They always do

1:50:51 happened. Waited till the round was done. do this and pick this up along the way. I mean, look, Jon Jones is an anomaly. Insane. you see him fucking world beaters that's the one thing he's like the speed is still there what is he 42 Oh, yeah, man. I enjoyed the Rampage fight. San Calavita? It doesn't got to be title fights. or you have, let's say you have a board.

1:53:49 So let's have somebody else fight. is like, let's see these fights happen. ever heard of them. It's Cuthberth Flay-Mayweather. Because you got a guy, And you make this gigantic promotion where it's not really going to hurt Conor because it's not really his sport. Okay, but I don't know how much it would be the biggest rematch, So they may not buy it.

1:55:50 Yeah, and it's not enough to say that he could stop Khabib's wrestling. or you have a board member of groups I think so. The Muslim world's behind him and everybody wants to see him fight. I mean, what is Douglas Lima's Instagram? Savage. So if you match guys you If you match guys You match some of the Was on top of his game MVP and Stephen Thompson. I think

1:58:41 It's just some astronomical amount of numbers. You're not taking any consideration. If we use Mighty Mouse, is famous, yes, you can For whatever reason, Look, I mean, What I care about, would it be good for the sport? What do you do with Conor now? That to me is the fight, man. what he did to Gunnar Nelson was just nasty. He's the fucking dark horse at 145.

2:01:21 They almost start to believe the hype a little bit. I think it's a case of massive amounts of talent in that division. go back to go back at 45. He did it again before that. Somewhere in there Also two people The 45 pound division Yeah, so he's 205 When he stopped Fedor, He's supposed to be fighting coming up. I'm like, why? Well, his striking got so much better and so smooth.

2:04:42 And then all of a sudden he has this resurgence Getting lean, defending the 205-pound light heavyweight title in April. Who's there for him at heavyweight? Mitikoff was the former champion who was there before, he's bigger than Bader. Yeah I feel that way in 185 you're going to start seeing athletes Like, shit, you know? It is. they gave him a tough fight in volkov yes they did that was a tough fight yes it was and i was

2:08:03 Dude, that Derek Lewis KO was so bananas. After that happened, I went to his Instagram the next morning He's so fun. I'm thinking to myself, the guy's fucking dead. and the fact that he landed that haymaker right hook His face exploded. And it didn't, so that was gross. He's married to a model, so I don't think I give a shit. I'm like, really, dude a fucking killer outside of like the cut I have no sympathy for him he's married to like a model

2:10:13 yeah yeah like how is he It's crazy. Yeah That was finest It was fucked up for a couple days. They stitch it outside. So my tooth came all the way through the front of my lip. I mean, how many times can that guy get stopped? I was like, this guy's gone. And power heavy I think guys I haven't seen it He just hasn't been the same, but he's I'm sure he used it before that.

2:13:38 Like you're seeing guys take one or two shots to the lower calf, Your foot doesn't move anymore. everybody's like oh yeah you could throw that shit to the face. And then guys like Stephen Thompson and Machida came in. but I was like the first guy that did that little, And that fight was only in the first round, you know? I couldn't walk. remember those kicks to the,

2:15:45 I have no idea. in the back of the head. just one of those things you're just thinking to yourself this is so stupid like john explained it know I don't like to admit John's right a lot you know like but there's a lot of, I don't like to admit it because John, you know, I don't like to admit that John's right a lot. Have they got it? Especially if you're not against the cage.

2:17:38 That's the one thing that I liked about Strikeforce when we were fighting for Strikeforce was that we didn't allow elbows on the ground. And for the actual fan at home watching the fight, Let's jujitsu guy do his moves as well as try to get back to the feet. kneeing someone in the face, they'll be out. I think knees to the ground, but also elbows. Yeah.

2:19:23 for the fans' sake, it's not a fun fight to watch It's just not a fun fight And it's like Yes, it does. obviously there are a lot But if he knees and he misses, the guy can get knocked out. you want to get your hips back, back into the action those like Kumite style and it was curved. Boss Rutens has an interesting thing. Yeah. wonder where this is at this looks like it's somewhere in la i don't know their their boss

2:22:25 It depends if you like having vaginas on your forehead. I mean, like for some of the guys, like I I said they're trying to supplement the income Dakota Meyer The rules are you can grab the head, clench, and dirty box. Yeah. Dan Henderson signed up for it. Yeah, yeah. Who else? Same thing. It's not attractive. your opportunity to make as much money as you possibly can i just for me i just knew i i felt

2:25:41 And then they have to make a desperate ploy. I think a lot of fighters attach themselves to the wrong spouse. man. yeah, i was like man at 40 years old what are you gonna do like what like what can you really get yourself It's almost like the organization should maybe have some sort of seminars for people like that because even in just a casual conversation you you can learn a lot from them

2:28:40 throughout the sport. if you want to be successful. It's not for everybody. DC is awesome at that. They have a guy for us as well. make it about them, in the cage, that they do well and then Sammy and I and I started working yeah so It's so much better than Skype. world too. He's probably in your bathroom So he does, So we just sync It's nice to have a producer

2:32:29 Yes. I had to go back and fix it. just turn and go, hey, Jamie, pull this up. And there was some shit I was trying to look up. how to set it all up I was like, you're like, Yeah, he's right outside Yeah, he's in Tennessee. His wife. He's been amazing. just grilling john in in the in the process of you know fighting this because they have john on It's just the two of us.

2:35:41 I enjoy being around people that have like a walking book He fought it a little bit, and then they got back on him, and he just had to, he deleted I was like, man. It's not a lot, but. Or maybe he gets even more popular yeah i mean look he's fucking good at it man colby's goddamn good at it let's be real I thought he did a podcast with Candace Owens.

2:37:34 Was it Tommy Lauren? Like what do you like about him Loves Trump That's kind of his shtick just chest out. If I was the man when they put that camera on Masvidal, it was like a coming out party for him. He made KJ look but he never turns down fights. He should have never Good fight. If I'm at home, I haven't seen to 55 again, as much weight it's not that hard.

2:40:06 Yeah, he said by the time he fights tonight, He looks thick. When he was a 55 pound champ, he weighed in with Wow. So that was hilarious. that to me is the fight the biggest fight i think that that blows everything away that's a big fight Yeah. tweeners. Why do we have a Some of those guys, like Usman, could use a little bit of that. Lima's enormous, dude.

2:42:51 And no fat. From what I understand, they're not going to do the MVP rematch right away. We need another talented guy on there because now Yeah. Right. I saw him fight Alfie Davis. that that's my next dream fight let's see those guys fight mma yeah like you have raymond daniels and dropped the guy. I called the fight. I didn't even know be his third so like joe schilling has decided to abandon the kickboxing aspect and move on.

2:45:43 Oh, beautiful. Oh, sorry. I thought that was you. like gay guard came back to coker cyborgs coming back to coker i went back you know there's a lot but then you see him do the Lucha Livre, He's one of those guys that his athleticism is just overlooked all the time because of the way he looks. But with Kane, his fucking endurance was terrifying. Same thing.

2:48:20 that's insane for heavyweights. No. it though with um with uh like explosive guys right like connor sure doesn't It seems like in the five-round fights, he struggles a little bit. I'm a Connor Nut rider, man. this whole spiel oh if he fights on Alec Quinta Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was literally the last minute. never gets the credit you know if he stands with him,

2:51:12 fear your takedown that much, and that's in all the years And he, most guys will just throw blindly. Can you believe that? Yeah And a clothing line called Knox Thank you so much, Joe.