Joe Rogan Experience #10087 — Kamaru Usman Transcript

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0:00 Three, two, one, champ! Yes, yes. And there's a lot of things they don't tell you. the anderson silva yeah the george saint pierre those guys it is a relief because you know and No, because fans are on it. George St. Pierre for decades have done. No, it's like you You can't fix them. Or you're backstage before your fight, A super wise man. It's big for me right now it's very very big for me because i uh i'm a creature of uh of a routine i love having a routine

3:38 Before I do my lunges back and forth twice. hand, get one or two paper towels, throw it away, go back out. Right. because sometimes you don't have enough time to do it. can't get my whole routine in how much time do you need? like say if you're in the locker room and I work out in that morning. going two days in camp i try to keep my weight around 192 191 because that's where i feel strong

6:32 I've got a back and I, you know, I do a couple of, you know, freaking curls and my arms just swell up. Is this from calipers or from a dunk? So you're just cutting 15 pounds of water. time to say hey you know let's let's really test your body, look at all this and that. I mean, smart, brilliant guy. body parts work so like this is what we need to do to get you tip-top state shape and then when cory came in was after i had that injury because i had a micro fracture surgery and then i had to

9:44 Does it work at all? No, it didn't work. I think it actually set me back a big amount. I guess let it bleed in and create, you know, the cartilage, you know, and, um, Yeah. No, Yeah. And I was like, before we do this, let's just see what happens. I still feel that pain of kicking every day. adjusting me to we're taught to do for strength. But he really came in and helped kind of shape the way that I went about it.

12:18 Like the one that hit you and it's like, oh man, that guy's strong. That's the thing. But in here, there's that bump in between, so they don't come out as much. I need this thing off my hand. And that bump is still there for some reason. So it was one of those things where you hit with the thumb instead of the knuckle? so your hand's kind of in there

14:58 I'm like oh shit the you can't lose to him so now i'm going through all this in my mind though i can't be that guy i You know, fight's a fight. And then I get in there in the first round. He's fighting me. Yeah. I'm going to dominate that round. I'm going to make sure I won. So in my head, I know I won. I don't like to leave any doubt that I won that round. I'm going to dominate that round.

17:11 I was asking. hold of him dragged him down tried to make it a you know a state you know try to stall him out I knew other guys that I'm good friends with that wrestled with him. Everyone has fans that are going to talk shit to you. time we saw you in like a very close fight yeah i mean uh and attest to him too like he's a tough guy I do. That right hand he's got.

20:51 fighter but he gets the least amount of attention out of those guys for whatever weird reason it's Masvidal just cracked him. Whatever that guy, It's kind of crazy, too, because when you're in a foreign country and you commit assault, They got him out of there. Yeah. Like how did Masvidal get away with it? Yeah. Exactly. and i'm i i look at i want them to say something they do an interview that pops up my google alerts

23:40 He would win some, lose some, win some, lose some. Was he? He was 300 pounds before he went and did that. Yeah, somewhere around there. No, when I fought Damian Meyer. You win that fight, does what Ben Askren does we wouldn't be having this conversation right now so he goes that's a Where has he been? oh yeah and you know he was always that guy looking like the knockoff of Scarface.

26:24 oh, these guys are being gimmicked. You want to wear the robe. They didn't need a BMF belt for this last fight with Conor and Cowboy. No, they didn't. But, you know, if, I mean, and it worked. Did they really need a belt though? Did they need a belt? No, they didn't, you know, you know, Purpleish color. That's more, you go, It's another level. No, that's not copper.

28:11 Is it gold? Is it? You did a great job. What would you do with it? But that means nothing When they showed the video of him But he had a lot of hype to where people were saying, man, this guy's going to beat Woodley. You're crazy. Oh, yeah. Did he drop him? makes you sane as a champion, You know, there's certain odds where I'm like, you guys, who's making these odds?

31:14 He hasn't fought number six. Like, what? Yeah Tough fighter There's a couple guys I see all these guys, which is why I can't afford to take five months off to let my knee feel this some type of way. I believe that was his first camp where he didn't have a job. I'm good. but it's also like you got to have good food right you got to have you got to be able to afford

33:53 comes up manager and gym boom off the top then taxes gone taxes you know boom off the top yeah My car, you know, they've been letting me, you know, kind of pile up that car payment for a while now. So I need to pay that and the insurance, everything that's backed up. They used to give locker room bonuses, right? Because you see now, he'll just send a couple of guys extra.

35:25 It's interesting because a boxing match, some of the people would say, well, that's what boxers get. oh ufc a three round ufc fight can be fucking chaos oh yeah oh you're only making 10 grand And, you know, potentially should be, you know, still feels like he should be in the NFL. you know we're a family to where we like we're very very close family but imagine boys that

38:09 2 255 260 i mean he's a freak my brother's diesel big big dude and if it's um when he gets that I think he's going to be a humongous star in the sport. Oh my God. Every video would be over He's a big fella. nfl wants a newer fresher younger guy that they can get for cheaper right and you know and so Lituation. that's the, he's, But then when I found out that he was kind of really serious about it, I'm like, okay, let's lay the plan out for you because I want you to get there faster than I did.

41:46 Oh, okay. But I'm in the process to where I'm going to start getting him to Florida more and more now. Because he's so talented. He's so athletic. And I would hate to do that. Yeah. Because he's so talented. Yes, very, very fine line because you have to be tested. Yeah, it's got to be strange seeing your brother just getting the ball rolling And then you get there and then you get beat up.

44:20 got some good experience and let's let's give you some seasoning. The UFC is like, do you want this fight? You know, there's long guys that are journeymen that have a lot of losses, is a fight yes or no which i have gotten a call hey you're gonna go to brazil you're gonna fight Like I, tired you know those things that gsp uses where he has like these yeah i see them i see puts on

46:12 You want that fight? All day. He's one of those guys that's not just going to stop training. we want to test ourselves this is not a matter of disrespect and i want to beat this guy's ass no But we want to test ourselves against the best to ever do it. It's a fucking... And you can't take anything away from Conor, man. And Conor is that guy. march forward i'm gonna hit this guy i'm gonna beat on him i'm gonna take him down i'm going to march forward. I'm going to hit this guy. I'm going to beat on him.

49:14 I mean, weight yeah i look real african don't i you look very thin well i mean you see how joe said that And he's like, that's the perfect body for cutting weight. I'm like, what? And we're in the back, and I'm looking at Luke's shin. It could have been because I think it was at that same leg. No homo, but he's a good looking dude. Yeah, and then kicking you in the head at the same time you wake up.

51:48 he's done weird guys on the couch I think he can still compete. The fact there's a 20-pound gap like that, that's 20 steaks. They have weird gaps. I don't because I'm not that much of a fan. I'm like, oh, man, this is going to die out. Well, I felt like when they went to ESPN, I'm jesus this is perfect it's gonna be bigger i thought it was an amazing move

54:14 Either you're watching a game or you're watching a fight. I just put the headphones on and watch it on my phone. You mean in terms of the amount of money that you can make? Boom, right there. Screw it. You can just get everything. You've got Apple TV. Disney Plus and then HBO's got, what is HBO's called? it is interesting it's it's gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out i was really shocked

57:22 boxing then they're going to slowly pull out or not with the sport. Roy Jones Jr. Yeah. Did you get hot boxed? I was like, what? Nobody cared. Like, everybody wanted to watch it. because towards the end of Tyson's career, it didn't win all the time. I sat next to Mike. and he gave us some what did he say? I'm not that good anymore. so many things, so many different sounds that you're hearing.

1:01:42 man i suck like i'm not good anymore. but do you have it in your head that like somewhere around like six weeks in, i want then six weeks your body's starting to be like oh man bro we've been training for a while I'm not good. gonna lose you're gonna get knocked out in front of thousands of people bro and then it's like after And in a special way, in his voice, he's like, there were certain times where, you know,

1:04:31 And so that was just like, man, he's so right. is those guys who are gym killers. Because I've seen guys that they know, like these guys put on clinics inside the practice room. They just find a way to lose to where you're just like how is that You're all nervous. takes a champion's mentality to be able to hone all that control and still go out there and do your job.

1:06:42 They're going to fuck with me. Well, I'll tell you what, man. There was no emotions. Like, obviously, I understand people want to be entertaining. as far as my father, say can and will be used against you inside that octagon what was he saying to you he was talking these fights you you got to be afraid but i make friends with it i'm okay with being afraid i'm not

1:09:53 I know how worried he is. Because you could fuck yourself in your mind that this guy's not even scared. I have no choice. is one of the very best welterweight title fights ever. I'm watching. And boom, it looks away. don't really feel it and so at that that moment, I was kind of clipping him. The way I hit mitts with my coaches, Henry Hoot and all these, it's all the same.

1:12:44 this then touch you with that i know how to do that too but i carry the power all the way throughout so by the fifth round when i hit him with the i think um i hit him with the body and i hit a punch that point i was just in you get to a certain zone to where you see him coming, and he's just like, punches are going by. Boom, that second right hand. I didn't even hear them. Boom, that second right hand.

1:14:01 You know, like it might have been an early stoppage. I was wondering if they knew that his jaw was broken. out completely or this and that you know but it's a referee's not doing his job of protecting you Meldrick Taylor was winning the fight, but Chavez just kept the pressure on him, kept but you could tell Meldrick Taylor was out of it, Yeah, there's something people don't really see.

1:16:27 Less good than you were before but you're so much better that you still have enough leeway It changes that spirit in some shape form things in perspective. Because you go out there and you battle this hard match and you lose to this guy. I win and I move on. with Damian Maia Were you like, But didn't you think that that was a weird way to separate you?

1:19:09 yeah how good this guy is and yeah i could have taken him down whenever i wanted and tried to His jiu-jitsu is just so high level. which I worked a lot on my defense down there. Yeah, he did a good job of not getting submitted. to the point where now i don't have to call guys out i'm not trying to pick fights oh no i want where they said, hey, when do you think you'll be ready?

1:21:30 I'm fishing here. And I have no problem with that. This is what I think of this belt. sense i guess because then someone's holding on to it yeah yeah it makes funk all over it and shit I hear a lot of guys in the shower with it It's so nice. How crazy is that? cried i every time i see that you know i always said i'm not gonna be that guy because you know

1:24:22 who is that guy? Man, that's an intense moment. And it was right after I fought the finale, Ultimate Fighter. I took her straight out of bed. i can i'm like man my career's just starting and I can't even walk upstairs. you do that? It takes pressure off my knees. He's like, oh man, you're a herd. Because obviously your mind is strong enough that you can fight even though you're in pain. Not being able to hold up because obviously your mind is strong

1:27:37 desire starts to kind of do a no doubt I'm okay well when you see a guy like Really? Really? And all these guys right now, like everybody has their time. People kick me all the time. Kobe kicked me a few times. I don't give a shit. to give everything in there just because of my knees you can know it's my knees people kick me all the time think you know obviously with

1:29:52 trying to do i knew that's what especially him he was trying to do but i wasn't going to play to wrestle with you more you know there was a possibility of him trying to wrestle but and it was just like, no, not today. mano a mano let's go you know there's not gonna be wrestling tonight so let's do it man it could backlash that he took oh yeah it was was i don't know if you saw some of the shit that was online

1:32:30 You want to talk crazy shit, then they're going to. Yeah. I mean, who do they? the division but i don't think so a lot of guys in division can kick his ass right you know so Was that Worley Alves? I will not allow myself to lose to him. He fought a very good fight. I'm like, this motherfucker, he's touching me right now. I mean, it's just, And it didn't hurt when a freaking i mean a surplus of like celebrities

1:36:28 i picked up the book and um you know initially was like okay uh because this guy tried to troll me It's the wrong red hat, but you're wearing a red hat. So I look forward to meeting them well you know we had talked about your dad and your dad being in jail. And of all people, man, Kim Kardashian has had, that's that's a worthy cause it's an amazing cause i stopped making fun of her yeah i was

1:39:24 Life is, this is no accident, Joe. he's gonna be released soon that's incredible and it's like that's incredible you should bring these are the definitions of that whether it's winning the novelle peace prize like can you imagine as a parent watching your child So I can't wait for him to be at the next one. for the first time if i could choose if you could choose would it be red panties night oh man that's

1:43:03 right under George's record for most consecutive wins in the welterweight division. Yeah. That's have kind of been hinting You know, holding two belts. man. i've ever seen just fluid and getting into the analyst work too way he does it in the way he you know throws this little that little question mark kick and the i'm i'm a fan of these guys and israel is one of those guys that's special and this ain't francis

1:45:34 Yeah. Throw that punch. Or a deadly uppercut. The only one he didn't starch was Tyson Fury and that other dude, Stiverne. I mean, he basically just swung on him. It was just like. It's beautiful. Just up. Stunned Deontay It is I wasn't sad for him. It's like, Like, the big payday has got to come. But there's also something about, like, you shouldn't have even been in boxing in the first place but he grew up rich how do you mean

1:50:41 see our kids do what we did and do it better and so we can Have you ever thought about a boxing match? not really working out because i've been hurt a few times and it's hurting my motivation to want that I just spent almost 10 years perfecting and learning? Would I take it? Would you take it? To be able to slip punches, move and throw punches and block punches.

1:53:38 Well, a fight like that would be Canelo, right? I would give it my all. Because I think like In there to spar with me To get ready He knows what he's doing there. Yeah, six months. Absolutely. I mean, you see his kids are wrestlers. That's the thing I was going to say. He's just as good. Oh, yeah. I just don't know if he's famous enough to entice, you know, like.

1:56:55 He might get there yeah, I think he is well enough could get there I mean they did they posted his earnings the other day on one of the pay-per-views that we just did and they were saying that he's $250 million? money yeah that's that's that's all i care about when you say you do other things like what do you You know, she came home and she said this and that and all this.

1:58:54 And then she threw this at me. But do you know how funny it is that you want to be a marriage counselor? helping shape and mold well i want to leave this when i leave this world i want to leave it better mindset and the right discipline almost anything is possible yes absolutely anything is possible I'm like, why? I don't know how to do it. I'm not good. I can't play. I don't know how to do. And she's like, no, I can't. I'm not good.

2:01:57 If you put your mind to it, baby, you can do anything. they're not going to improve. so I won't do it. I can't be good enough at that, so I won't do it. And then I see the name, I read the name, and I hear it. And then On mat one and just whips the shit Rolling kids up. and be like the 20 year old kid M&M's afterwards what he's like, what? He's going to play video games.

2:05:06 Look at him. I remember having that chest He's a really good fighter. She's like, daddy, do you know there's an M&M's store in New York? I was like, okay, he's going to get M&M's or something. My daughter just told me the other day, she's like, daddy, do you know there's an M&M's Is that necessary? But M&M's store? Peanut ones are the shit. Yeah. to go do all the athletes laundry and hang them up for them to have tomorrow before they all go

2:07:49 think is in a bag of peanut m&ms gotta be a few grams a bag like a good size one of the nice bags Because the whole bag, a serving size is the whole bag, right? Yeah. and he's like there's a lot of is it Manscaped It's just like, yeah, these are just for your balls. So they just, I mean, they just put it out there now. Of all the candy, I bet chocolate is...

2:10:11 But, like, that really does. Remember that? Yeah. People talk about it. you don't look 52 keep it going I can still do this. There's a lot fucked up in there. And so many guys have to get their discs fused. Yeah. I'm like, what does the champ call? He got fights. What are you calling me for? So I pick up from D.C. I'm like, what is it, champ? the head physical therapist.

2:13:00 But he's like, yeah, man, I don't think I'm going to. And I sneeze. I'm like I just sneezed not too long before that That's the thing with me. because I could barely get in the car at this point. and something went pop. no reason and now i i see a car because i got some you know um who was it that uh errol spence or he's just like, I don't believe in that.

2:16:46 i'm not denying that some people do get pain relief from chiropractors and most chiropractors How do you say her name? And I was like, this just is not getting any better. My hands were going numb. They don't go to medical school. You're like, wait a minute. No, no, no. at really kind of because i'll go on and my neck will be tight and then pop pop pop here and there

2:19:21 He works with a lot of football players as well. So, you know, that's what I mean. I did, too. One of the best boxers in the world is dead. And it doesn't look like anything's wrong. Someone's watching. Yeah, here it is. boxers have gone through similar situation you know how many box like what's uh what's his name And then slowly have to build it back up to the, you know, I don't know.

2:22:46 Diego Corrales died I mean, I mean... Mikey Garcia, He shot him down. I would love to. an amateur because i met him while he was an amateur oh really i was living at the olympic Earl Spence has been that same guy the whole time. That's him. are two different people yeah and then knowing him now, man, it's like, that guy was that guy. You're always going to feel that way.

2:26:11 you never will right you just you never will it's just what makes a guy like that special best football player, and you have the best It's the pinnacle of sports is the elite fighter. Yeah. It's the pinnacle of sports. And when he did, I remember I saw, maybe I'd seen some clips or something like that of him sending some Like, that is crazy. I know.

2:28:23 and we come out. We're like right there. You know. And then he gets, like, halfway down the street, And of course, Mike is like, such a nice guy. But I'm like, Mike hasn't fought in how long? It's so interesting that now he's in the weed business. Some guys abuse it, but certain guys use it as medicine. Oh, yeah. You have? I didn't know how to inhale it.

2:31:31 And I had to do, I did the Ultimate Fighter Season 14. Smart guy. I already tried it. It's like a just like a get some water, I'm like, three steps before I get to the I walk in. I'm like, okay, get some water. I woke up just like that. But it was a fun time. like years ago, this doesn't affect me guys, Like, weed doesn't affect me, guys. Hard. This is not going to do nothing for it.

2:35:07 He was leaving football. you'll be fine. And I immediately, I'm one of those guys, Something is wrong. And then now I'm like, okay, no, I got to be cool. I was like, yeah, I can't. smoking pot and i cough i go oh no yeah what have i done if i open up the door it gets inside yeah That's it. I think a couple years ago. he didn't peer pressure me like he knows how to do it

2:38:03 I don't think he curses at all. Really a funny guy if you look him up very funny guy and um so we're at the show and before Oh my gosh, it's a good idea so i take it So we get in. We're watching him. I think I'm comedians would go Rashad Where would you have gone? I'm like, I got to get out of here. Relax. You're high, bro. It's just not for me. I've had those experiences a hundred times, at least.

2:41:34 I like it. maybe I said or something I did. Eddie Bravo told me this once, and it really made a lot of sense. Like very seldom is everything okay. Isn't that funny? you see people like that's what social media is all about right social media projects this image The last time I was here, the last time I was here, after that, it just got worse. What are you, a saint?

2:44:39 Because sometimes I go. I am left alone. living they just get a lot of people do that no a lot of people do that yeah Is Ali still your manager? You definitely got hacked? So we're preparing to go. So I'm not really looking at my phone. You know, used to work for the ufc he's like I need to see your phone because I can't even see what they were tweeting.

2:48:00 know you're effing n word or this and that like like going in like that oh Jesus Christ and puts it out that was right there And by the time they called and got the Twitter shut down, to where i couldn't do anything but smile like i i just does anybody ever post for you yeah they No. And from what I'm learning now is hackers can easily hack you from an IP.

2:50:36 parts of the web you can if you have a vpn yeah because this this was what and obviously something and it was unfair to to my manager for people to actually say that because you know automatically Even though as much as I want to beat him up, if Conor wants to fight, we can fight. I'll say, you know, eff for here and there. I would never say that He hates Connor

2:52:05 Of course not. I would think so, but I'm sure something like that is going to be expensive. That's true. Turns out it's Dana White. yeah, what are you talking about? I got hacked. I understand. and having that hanging around The belt's going to move. we're even talking about Conor, 45 55 and 70 that would be arguably would be one of the biggest fights

2:54:16 He's in this position to ask that. Yeah, I see some people don't care for that. yes I changed his I fucking love that you know like And this is how you're going to do it. is taking care of his management team, They've done a little bit of a good job, Yeah, but were those the hardest fights at that time? Yes, yes. But what happens if that knee not landed?

2:56:44 I get it, rightfully so. I'm that type of guy. is that yeah yeah that kid masvidal yes why does he call you owl what is owl hunting what is owl about because I say who because who is this guy who what are you talking about They're begging for a counter fight. Of course I want to fight Conor. He goes back down to making 50 and 50 or whatever he was making before.

2:59:00 oh, they need to give him a title shot, need to give him a title shot, Him and I both know. you out. He's going to do whatever I'll fight anybody. Yeah. March is taken. of those matchups, honestly. They're doing everything Masvidal, I'm at 100. Obviously, the Masvidal being in the welterweight, People will frown upon it, but at the same time, You know,

3:02:12 to try to be great? appreciate you, brother. You got it all back.