Joe Rogan Experience #10101 — Kevin Holland & Travis Lutter Transcript

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0:00 Okay, we're rolling. Thanks for doing this. opinion is if i'm going to teach jiu-jitsu i i have to stay doing the art i think that um when people just teach and they don't Did you notice a difference in improvement of your skills when you start teaching? essentially better yeah i could do this position before but now it's like i've answered so many

3:00 really keep up with that so i was always more fascinated with the kung fu, sansu aspect of it. and other kinds of kung fu? do you ever see lorenz larkin use it he did it to me dude yeah he sends it to the leg and then because it's not really telegraphed. And it wasn't around for a long time. come with the push kick instead but you know a bleak kick straight up to the body and lorenz

5:35 Yeah, he's a super underrated guy. Never. And like, Kevin, look what we got here. There's super high-level guys. You know, the person that gives them the biggest argument, I guess, is, say, Michael Chandler coming over doing what he did, you know? I mean, that's, yeah. The person that gives them the biggest argument, I guess you'd say Michael Chandler,

7:02 There's people on the streets that can do fantastic things that never make it to the greatest spot ever know what I mean? There's people on the streets that can do fantastic things doing things that I could have did, you know, to any local level guy. But I couldn't do that in the ufc i guess you could say like you said higher level Pepsi's always trying to play catch-up.

8:35 person in bellator like as far as fan wise and everything like that how many followers do they Yeah, he's still the heavyweight champion. He's been around a long time. You know, one of the things I was going to say, No back problems, no nothing. Yeah, it was it, 1999? And then in 2000, So that was the first match of the tournament Yeah, you didn't lose any points that year.

10:56 Yeah, there's a lot of wacky rules. like submission only right it's boring until he catches them because his idea is like listen all That'd be a good style. So it's like all the Machados. ended up winning on points. Uh, and then, and then he fought me in the next round, you know, Amount was worth four. they'd switch and then jeff would get in, you know, start in his guard,

14:09 Just do no time limit. that that was a good set of rules for me i liked it um how do you feel about the ebi rules i don't love the ebi rules interesting to see like situations where maybe the person in a regular match never would get to your back. So, Kevin, how long have you been training with Travis? I was really a big fan of Kevin Ross. And then I cried

16:18 what's wrong? Then there were some blue belts tapping me out, so then I cried again. I started tapping people out, and I was like, oh, this is shit. and you'd do stuff to him once, and then you couldn't do it to him again. really really good kevin's different you know it's like this is a different animal wow know, it's like, this is a different animal. Wow. It's like, when I say that, you know, Kevin's, you know, it's like, Kevin's so much different,

17:58 How's that feel? i'm a little bit different you know because it's like you know what he can do is just totally GSP's mid-pack. It's like he was fast Juilliard. So like a GSP, I've never saw anybody train like him. But we'd get there, and almost at least five days a week, GSP is already there. You know, it's like just crazy, crazy, crazy. You know, I've done striking with them.

20:48 sucks you know it's like if the workout's hard i don't want to do it you know if it's something having fun in there it's very obvious so like you're having fun with this mindset no i don't really care. It's like the whole thing is Kevin's going to say that he's not going to care, you could be that good and not work out hard and he you know it's like kevin's in there you know

23:14 Yeah. We've got to cut down on the blunts, but other than that, we're good. better at it for sure kevin has never shown what he can do when he's in the octagon it's like you but it's like when it's starting to kick in, the fight i know brunson's going to be scared brunson's going to take the fight oh for sure fight again a couple days ago because i knew that i was going to see you again i wanted to watch it

25:58 It's like those hammer fists when you're on your back, they hurt. that so sent him when i did my research on this when i was just thinking about it and i was Pow! So it's kind of like capoeira. I was like, whoa, this is generating a lot of power from that position. Is that Egan or Ensign? And Randy just wanted to stay above him. Well, how can you say that when Ensign won the one time they fought?

28:46 wrestlers going to take you down and ground and pound you and ensign caught him in an armbar and And I don't think that that's the actual real issue with the IBJJF is that he just didn't do his paperwork a long time ago. Coral's that black and red? Yeah. The whole ranking thing is weird, right? was the the you know but you know you'd be, you achieve the rank of black belt, you're the expert.

31:12 He's doing that to honor his dad and stuff like that. If I don't train jiu-jitsu, that skill's going to go away. That's legit. I love the gi. from uh from kung fu yeah you know so it's like it's like he we uh we do the warm-up he's all I'm really, really fond of combat pinon. i still practice it uh sdm1 self-defense forms left and right the traditional one that for the

34:28 I want to teach it to my little brother, but he's 14 years old, and I still don't think he's patient enough to learn it so you know it's a good one though i really love 10 point block system so you said you you train with uh shug is your strength and conditioning guy but he's also works with your It's just holy shit. and I remember it was like right before he knocked him out.

35:25 I don't know. It's just, you know, I don't know if Derek could do it against Stipe either. absorb some of the bigger shots that francis throws yeah and he went with them and he rolled and then they have to go in there and do surgery, His eye has had so many surgeries on it that it looks weird. This is the end. not be I don't like needles so terrible yeah not fun but if it fixes your eye

38:21 at that he's pulling it out so that thing sits over his eye yeah joe without a driver's license you know from what i've read um you so like you know he drove for years without without a driver's license and bounce off of it you get shit over your windshield last week like there's no real record no we got lucky i was so mad it's like the little hood apartment that i used to stay in yeah never lost power my

40:36 They were from Honduras, and they were living in a trailer, kevin had to fight so it's like we were doing you know uh some training on the down low and stuff I'm not going to shut down in California legally Chin strap your mask in case the people come in. you have some sort of pre-existing... They're not healthy. also going to make you more susceptible to the disease which is going to make you transmit to

43:02 You know, I think one of the biggest things that they found that, you know, helps to prevent, you know, COVID. So it's like. Kevin's just a different animal. Yeah, I take that all day, every day. good too probably go back to icon meals you know oh that's a good move yeah my grandparents live what do you weigh? Jesus Christ that's crazy you can't cut so much weight in California right 10% your body weight

45:46 It's like he's stronger. That's just such a big advantage to be long. and then I was like, yeah, does everybody forget? i got these two kids the aunt taveras guy he stays in houston the one that i fought you know it's like the hardcore guys know you know it's like i know who what kevin did to him yeah Yes. Yeah. He shoulder checked Kevin in the back.

48:20 angry that this happened you know it's like he does not you know kevin just and he yelled something back. I don't think he'll come back to 85. Right, but he's not going to go up to heavyweight. He's a talented guy. He does fantastic work. See if you can find that. you have no idea what he has but is he just got his purple belt i think from atos right yeah from

50:56 Let's just... Boom. Boom. Boom. It's like UFC making him wait this long is driving him crazy. have to be for the belt you know it's like uh but i mean when you look at the rankings like far it's just so far away so you really want to fight like almost every month yeah every other for three rounds. on, you know, and now he was training, Some of the times he wasn't taking a week off.

54:02 It was Jack or Manson. I'm getting ready for this fight. it but if that's what it takes to catch a fight i'll catch a fight if i have to go up to 205 and two weeks yeah yeah long as I'm not long as long as I'm not running around going much intake too much peanut butter in your body it fucks up your ingestive system your yeah your And so it's like I'm just constantly eating peanut butter,

56:08 But what form are you having peanut butter in? What else? I mean, I wouldn't just go. So I can just take a spoon and just... Because I switched it. It's the peanut butter, Joe. Is that legitimately what he has at breakfast? Is that Icon? I don't remember, but I know they do it with fighters. Those things. so that's the UFC's you don't like them Yeah, it's like, I'm like, I eat that and I don't even have to cut weight.

59:06 I already poop a lot. Well, it's good, though, that you don't have to cut weight if you're taking that stuff. And then he rehydrates after. Yeah, but I mean, what about electrolytes? It's pretty good. Nothing tastes good. fried pickles oh oh it's in vegas yeah oh okay what has it been like this whole training and Like the Usman Gilbert Burns fight last weekend.

1:01:45 then you're oh really so it's like we're all fans like a screening room? Oh yeah. It's like, got tested everyone's tested that's what doesn't make sense so it's like why do i gotta wear a mask They used to have the green room. No. That was terrible. What did they for in China. That wasn't food in China. No? No. Oh, my God, dude. the ufc is putting it on and they're apologizing listen this is as good as we could get what was

1:04:10 Yeah. I want my ketchup. know it's like uh you know in this third fourth generation communism they had good breakfast I was like, what do I do? I don't get it. It's just a virus. It's more loose now than it's ever been before, December, yeah. I hope it is better. everybody was like, you're going to kill everybody. Year of competition you're gonna lose if you're in California

1:07:34 Never looked the same. It's like when he was beating up Floyd Patterson or who's that other guy that wouldn't call It just didn't look the same. like this this another very very special athlete you know it's like what the fuck you know how does If they just had that rapid antigen test at the desk, you you have to wait 15 minutes before you can train what's that cost

1:09:11 Come train. If you've got a family that you've got to protect and stuff like that, don't come in. Because if it was, they would not have ever blocked outdoor dining. and they told her she has to movie companies, they spend a lot of money and they influence politicians. And she was barely hanging on. But fuck those people. are still open. Pharrell, carne asada fries.

1:11:07 Yeah. You did the vegan thing for a little while, didn't you? Oh. Like wanting to watch. No. It's a long fucking time, man. 67. My Bel Air is a 67. And I turn around. got i got uh this brakes all the way around i have uh i beefed up the motor it's originally You know and it's like I got a 75 Dodge Plymouth at the house too especially in the sport like the more attention, the more conflict,

1:14:20 You can hear everything. of fighter is here kevin will fight here okay and it just keeps going up and up and up and up You know, he needs to have a little fear, a little danger. So it's like if you're not coming at me and giving me a real reason to fight, about none of that it's about going out there and having a great time you know this is a party you know and march 20th i get to be the life of the party that's the

1:16:35 Then you showed, regardless whether you talk too much, you can fight your fucking ass off. That's not your job. Why do referees say that? It's like, I like it that Kevin fought. Khabib yeah, oh yeah, yeah, let's talk now mauled everybody they put in front of him, Could be better. Goes up to 170? Do it. But he's not the greatest boxer of all time Not just great defense

1:19:53 He did some smart shit. It's kind of weird. 90 plus victories before his and then Robinson beat the shit out of him in the second fight. jake lamotta knocked him out knocked him out i don't remember that and then and then in the Yeah just getting pounded on the ropes It was 40, 44. How come we can't get that many fights in MMA? Jake LaMotta, so he beat him at 36-0, win, win, win, win, win. Jake LaManna.

1:22:37 And then he beat everybody else up into a draw with Jose Barrosa. I think he's the GOAT. It's a different era. You know whether like I think the same thing you can say for Fedor when he was was in his prime when he was running guys that he fought in his era but there's it's a different era with tyson it's a different era He was a murderer back then.

1:24:23 You just couldn't get hit by him. Yeah. won the olympic gold medal was an alternate going into the olympics and uh and the alternate you know i forget what There's just not that many guys George Foreman won the gold medal in the olympics okay uh george foreman george foreman He fought just 20 times as an amateur before traveling to Mexico City for the 1968 Olympic Games.

1:26:53 He believed that he was invincible. Yeah, you just don't know. you gotta think about how his feet were then no one had been around before him there was a heavyweight that moved like that. Was it? George George starts with an H, if I remember right. and it halted the action of the fight for about five minutes. Yeah, Henry, Henry. And it's like, and then he went out there,

1:29:15 He'd just get bumped. His chin was incredible. I had my feet up, and in the 12th round, I jumped up. Then outboxes him. He wins the rest of the fight. Then outboxes him. It was like, and he rolls him over and Kimuras him. he fought Cro Cop Backing him up, Left leg hospital, right leg death. No it's like fucking assassin left leg hospital right leg He's a big kicker.

1:31:24 Okay. Got him in that toehold. Boom. Woo. Left hook is the left hook, man, no matter who the fuck you are. He's got Suge that he's working with. The guy just wouldn't stop drinking and doing his own fucking thing. He's tough, man. Just dominated every second of that fight. Mentally tough. is way above He gets in wars and then he tucks it and then I was talking

1:33:58 That's what Tony said? it's tough you know mentally super tough eddie bravo trained with him he went to uh when they Mentally tough. That's wild. because Tony's dangerous You know, he's tough. How do you think Yeah, I think, you know, Khabib's the go to that division. you go back in his career and you go oh well this guy's not the greatest and then you see him in

1:35:51 His jiu-jitsu looks really good. I think that's it. Right. I don't have the answer, but I think the time has come and went. That low calf kick is a beast. Let's think about his last few fights. And then you lose to Khabib. and it's time to show you guys It's hard to grapple. so, fucking do what the fucking gym tells you to do well he was still he was pretty fucking rich when

1:39:09 Right? Right. Yeah, I thought Max looked a little bit off when he fought Dustin. Oh, Dustin's very, very good. Because Conor did have moments in that fight. Weird things happen. to like switch back and forth he doesn't like to have left leg forward it's not that's not a common You know, he's probably a really, really great fighter from that one stance.

1:41:40 didn't take him down and smashed him which we all thought he was gonna do he knocked him out one Touched him to the body with the right hand and left hooked him. Let him make his money. He took him in a deep water for sure. Because Justin Gaethje just got... He fucking ran the whole time. Nobody throws jabs. Throw the damn jab. Throw the damn hook. Shit. Throw the damn jab.

1:43:13 I was like, That's a good fight. then he can fight for the title right Poirier's already knocked that man out. Yeah, but Dana won't let him. Think about it. smashes connor and the way he taps out gaethje to go from there to just saying that's it yes and Poirier three in a row I would like to see the double champ status. you know it's like now there's no question you don't ask if john jones is better than khabib

1:45:52 I'm like... Right? So you don't like the fact that he doesn't claim Arlington? this shit okay there's a top of the mountain everybody thinks they're at the top of the and out-wrestle the best wrestler. He couldn't go out there and do now he's the UFC No, I feel it, as good as it gets the best ever what weight does Name a 25 boxer. That's not a knock against him.

1:49:20 to get that taken there's a couple decisions that i felt like i didn't lose but it's still there I bet you Khabib's a fucking different type of athlete, too. whether it's training with Luke Rockhold, But, okay, but, you know, it's like as far as, like, Well, and I really believe that he's, you know, pounds of body weight but he's got the frame to carry it oh yeah 100 like you know he's like oh

1:51:08 I know. Yeah, they're definitely looking bigger. yeah he looks way it's like there's I think his mind was so strong that his body just couldn't keep up with his brain. The cardio that he had. Push, push, push, push, push. they can't believe they are and like kicks hurt him you Dude, what do you think these kids are going to be like in 10 years? The one boxing?

1:53:42 I don't know. Come on, son. They're four. That's a crazy technique, though, right? And we go up to the Great Wall. picture and it's like, you know, I'll take the picture for you. He doesn't speak hardly any He saw what we were wearing. You know, he said he's pouring, And, you know, it's like, they were excited. they were very happy wow fucking talented crazy

1:57:15 yeah yeah honestly yeah i can i noticed the difference you know i mean i retained i think A, the peanut butter. he's got a and then he built you know I'm a First of all, nothing's open. The fucking streets, I haven't been. have a pretty bad meniscus tear that i've been getting stem cell shots into and it feels pretty I have to train there. What's the name of...

1:59:49 Bruce Conti is a friend of ours I thought you meant Yeah, he gave me a bottle of it. I haven't tried it, though. He gets so red. I had no idea. So sharp. He would do this like he was going to do a 360. The buffer 180 to the buffer 360. So I'm like, man, I'm telling you. Look, I'm wearing a tap-out shirt it was so I'm like man I'm telling Yeah. i was sideways yeah oh and instead of like being like leg like this my leg was sideways my friend

2:03:10 You never got it fixed? It's the only thing that was, when I'd throw my right hand, My right knee. Wow. So it doesn't bother you at Yeah? Like this. That's it? Which knee? Your right knee? My right knee. I don't know. Yeah, he blew his shit out. Oh wow, wow he blew his I had a surgery to clean it out, but I told them, don't fix it. Yeah, his would come out.

2:05:00 But my worry would be that you're chewing your meniscus up because of the laxity. I lift weights some you know at such a high level It's annoying. Yeah, I've tried some stuff. It wasn't very long ago. Just like three weeks they told me I had to wait. it's not jiu-jitsu, It's just hard not to, They never do it right. rolled with you He said, his jiu-jitsu is ridiculous.

2:07:40 Amazing legend. miss fighting you know i miss fighting i miss fighting in mma more than you miss jujitsu Well, especially when you get a talent like Kevin. Yeah, I'm super lucky, super blessed, you know what I mean? You can't do any better, you know? Yeah, but it's – okay, like in Brazil. Some of these guys, it's like the Atos. training there. Where does he train at all?

2:11:11 getting better and better and better and then you reach this elite level like i don't know who's you have to talk to kevin in a different way than you talk to other people it's like i'm how much did you guys have to adapt? I was doing leg locks a lot. Caprito is long. And so I just went to straight defense. a lot of people doing leg locks from then till lister and now you have gordon ryan doing them

2:14:39 you know the best ever no you know it's like you have guys like john jock who submitted his way through adcc uh you 26, dominating. Okay. other guys, but it's like he won a lot of decisions or maybe it was a year off. I was there when he lost right before he put on all the weight. weights for a long time it's like i can't do that yeah there's probably some mexican supplements

2:17:36 it's like we have our guys in the gym that are good at leg locks and then and then you know biggest It's like if you're training and you're not getting tapped, It's like I've rolled with him plenty. it's like to get smushed no you know no you know like when he went out there with jock ray he wasn't That was a cementing moment for you. But like I said, the last one doesn't happen that often.

2:19:47 And Shabazian, that was an interesting situation, right? He hits hard. You seen the Jenga? We're going to find out, you know. But me and Derek Brunson Constantly And he's fucking just there's a few of that was what he opened with? Yeah I see him at the PI I was like never I got dildos in the car. and then you're breaking down your immune system of all the inflammation issues that you have

2:22:33 Finally, Bilal steps up right after winning. And the thing about it is You're just choosing they're fighters Do you think that's true? For Kevin, all that stuff kind of, he's not necessarily, Yeah. I'm like, Knocked him out with one punch. You know, nothing wrong with it. But it's like if you go to 70 because this fight makes sense for you, smart move.

2:24:50 And I know I smacked him a couple these killers and take these type of headshots and think that you're going to be okay if chamaya punched on him, subbed on him. Smart, like after seeing neil magny being done the way he got done against you know michael kiesta i think Don't claim to have the heart if you ain't got it. It's a bummer that we don't get it.

2:26:50 I'm just sad because I really wanted to see the guy fight again. He's undefeated. they he said something to kevin pissed kevin off then kevin's you know angry but the boss the boss I asked Yoel Romero. Is that crazy? After that last loss, was his last fight at UFC. You know, it's like he's whitaker said that too yeah it was like it was like you know he said the difference in between the first and the second

2:29:13 Yeah. He goes, the tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person's. They might have been, you know, doing some wild experiments and engineering. you know 200 pounds but he's actually 270 pounds it's just proportional yeah it's like it moves of corella it's the scariest There he is. because other guys couldn't pick them out when, you know,

2:31:11 In international competition, he's 800 wins. And if they break the grip, and then he went to here. You know, it's like, and that's his last match that he ever did. It's like 270 pounds. It's hard to pick a child up like that. He does this Because he's done it to guys Oh, for sure. No, there's power. of them that are so ridiculous Yeah, that's it. and he'd still

2:33:33 this isn't yeah I mean Oh my god it wasn't real and he literally he could have nothing left in his life and they'll give you his shirt oh he's a great guy yeah and Because Maury Smith beat him in his prime and He was so big. You've never seen any of these? Yes. Yeah. of shit. Things got weird. He was a chef in Hawaii. You know Charles Rosa Hawaii I think he was a chef in Hawaii

2:37:12 He's a nice guy He like 189. Is that Coleman? It doesn't look like his face. fought brock lesnar oh my god that's a big guy that's a great argument for supplements. Dude, it's like... He looked amazing. You kind of want to see what a guy can do. I mean, he was a monster when he was a heavyweight. see all that and that ufc belt elusive yeah eluded him remember when he used to carry that hammer

2:39:20 Right. You know, it's like they're not going to let you fly like that. You got to carry it Forever. So much more. in south dakota there was no no place to to learn so it's like uh we bought the henzo gracie Yeah. Yeah. Wow. and henzo would show you how to do a triangle it's it's interesting yeah it's you know dealing of yeah no you're 100% right you know it's like uh but there but then there was at the same time

2:43:31 But there's more things happening than just them. the no time limit stuff and he didn't like that. And, you know, it's interesting. movie set you know on the tv series walk Walker, Texas Ranger. Walker, Texas Ranger. I've met him a couple times, but I've never got a chance to roll with him. This is his plan to win was he's going to put his hands around your hips,

2:46:11 do some of the things that i got to do and stuff like that i started out at uh hickson's on pico Yeah. know it's a thumb yeah it's like and it's just amazing that thing is a weapon too it's like And that's why when he went, Yeah. Do you have guys on your hit list? What do you mean? I just want to fight, you know, and I want to fight all those guys that are supposedly really really good so i can find out how good i am you know it's like and

2:49:32 so fighting past 34 might fuck that up. It's like Kevin's not as good as he could be yet. more disciplined with your diet more disciplined it's happening naturally without you know me but would you be slightly better if you did something different complain it's becoming a new lifestyle but you haven't lost the joy that's the thing no it's just won't rush it I won't make it happen you know it's like it will happen i just won't rush it i

2:52:45 That helps. Cause it helps him relax. I really think it's like, Cause I tried to get him, a medical thing where it's like Kevin It's really bad. Like open mats. He like one hit, two hits. That was bad. It's like, we need to switch away from this. I'll just have, I'll just have sugar roll me a couple. tissue up and loosens your muscles yeah yeah she's cha-cha-cha-cha you know gets the action and we're good to go getting getting kevin to do that stuff is difficult maybe when he gets a little

2:55:49 now you see now he's now he's using it some not very much yeah a little bit yeah yeah i didn't Baby steps with Kevin. career thanks bro I'm appreciative I'm super happy to be here this is cool yeah I could tell you are