Joe Rogan Experience #10104 — Cory Sandhagen Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Could have been a drone. I don't know. fear factor and it was over palm and palmdale which is near edwards air force base if i didn't know what that was i would 100 think that was from It's the COVID relief bill. these elected people what they know they're not telling them shit unless the aliens told them that they have 180 days to tell everyone maybe right now you're talking if trump didn't tell everybody

3:50 Okay. the time they have to i guess i guess well listen man uh let's get to you you've been on a fucking but I think the first thing is I had to realize Maybe that had something to do with it. I learned a lot of, of stuff. So before I didn't need to do a lot in order to get at that level I think I underestimated him. So that was like when everything was really hot with covid.

7:38 And you hear guys say, highest level did it have anything to do with the fact there was no crowd was that unusual for you and that makes a big difference When I was reading his energy, I was like, but I've been watching the Embeddeds. Yeah. TJ's the biggest name in the division, you know, for now. just because tj's a big name of course yeah yeah tj's the

10:43 eventually this shit will start getting going. But going back to the point of where where i was in that fight uh i And he was like, man, when you're standing on the other side of that door i don't know um have you ever fought a five-rounder and in outside of the ufc no no uh my first The quarantine helped me with that one, though. They gave me one for my old gym.

13:24 Here it is Is that Hackelman? Do you have a traditional martial arts background at all? down to Ryan Hall's gym a decent amount at 50-50. They helped me a lot with that too. Yeah. Yeah, this guy. Yeah. You know? Does he have a background in traditional martial arts? Is it a hybrid? Is it like, what do you, what do you think of it is? So I think when it started, it was kind of a hybrid of me watching a lot of the WEC, specifically like Dominic Cruz.

17:38 in Holland. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, it was sick. Is it a mental thing? And I'll see it from a third person's point of view. That's strange because I would think you would want to see it How often do you meet with him? And I would say that that's kind of what it was for me in the 45 minutes sometimes so did you come to him and say hey when i had this aljamain sterling fight

21:21 out what process works best for them and it's going to be different for a wrestler versus a striker, You can tell, you know? well his wrestling is super solid and his jujitsu is i mean he's a he's comes from henzo gracie but also I don't know how big Jan is either. Aljamain has this crazy style, you know, if the fight turns into a striking contest where he's utilizing a lot of movement, a lot of movement.

23:44 over the course of a long fight. super jacked and you know everything he does is like super fast like a lot of exploding yeah yeah that like uh he's gonna wrestle a guy for 25 minutes wrestling's the hardest part you know so You saw that in the Uriah Faber fight you know Great fight. It's the only weight class in the UFC where the 10-pound difference is all –

26:40 him some credit i think he's getting better at getting or at being cringy i think he's getting better at it man when he first came out with that shit i was like man and when they're walking into the cage? because it's just this big moment and you know obviously performed really good out of the gate many times and he looked cool as a cucumber he just looked composed and even when he got hurt

29:13 like the tyron woodley fight this is his first fight for the title right i mean this is the big training partners Carrington Banks and uh Carrington was telling me uh that he watched Usman go through to train with Ryan Hall. an intelligent guy and super smart guy super smart guy but um i think almost above him being stand like this and then i realized i was like you're fucking my back up yeah like you start

32:20 and you can't be strong like this so he was like you need to fix that shit like right Well, you know, the really great talking about jiu jujitsu being like Plus you get tired and you get nervous and plus you can't breathe when someone's got one walks in with that with that with that extra anxiety you know and i think you know while jiu-jitsu terrified of that guy and because he wouldn't let go because he would hold on to heel hooks so not

35:36 fight uh or when when nate marquardt because high altitude used to be nate marquardt's gym uh that's It wasn't greased up. is covered in water and you take a put vicks vapor rub all over his chest too And so he would grab guys and pull them in. Yeah. I don't know if it was even accurate. moisturizer and you're putting a lot of it on, then you dry it off?

38:36 That's actually a thing, you know, like I'll make sure that I'm using chapstick and stuff for the couple of weeks leading into a fight that shit gets all over the place everywhere here uh the driver was a really big boxing fan and he was just talking about like tyson biting And I think Tyson felt like he was trying to headbutt him. He looks good, man.

40:39 I was excited about it. he was just so fast and so skilled he went in that fight looking dense, bro. Let's go out to the shows. Yeah. champion became the strike force heavyweight champion won the k1 grand prix i mean what the injuries or is it inspiration is it do they look at it like a young guy because like the age or is that just because of the attitude as well i think it'd be hard man i think it'd be hard being that and accomplishing everything that

44:41 Yeah. The demon of like you're doing good, man. but the level is so fucking high now. That girl was savage too. The guy was like leaning on that, holding the pads for her, does it but she's not obsessed the way my other daughter is my other daughter's my parents were super normal not that i'm a freak athlete or anything but i mean my parents were see them like trying to move their body and they have a big belly and little small arms and and

48:45 That's a brave person to take that step. But yeah, man, i don't know i think that i think jujitsu is so good for like uh because i'll teach the kids too a lot of people do that too yeah it's um it's it's interesting to see the the progression though And when something I think is so early on, you don't even know how to like teach those people. And there's no, there's no, like that filter is happening still, you know?

51:30 Like, they're going to, has influenced the jiu-jitsu world, but it interesting to me watch it go the other direction where you're I think so. tangle themselves and scrambles on on the legs and stuff and that's super interesting just to split type of position sort of you know do you know the twister do you know how to do it well and lean on them, you can get to a point where the guy's both shoulders

53:53 Like a lot of guys who are not physically strong as wrestlers become leg riders. he'd never lifted weights at all really yeah until like deep into our friendship like a year or two probably got two or three times as better just because I started lifting so much because now with like shoulders back. all the way up until I'm done training on Saturday.

56:49 actually got one of those monkey feet things if you don't know what that is it's a thing you strap so I've got pretty decent hip flexor muscles, And he calls it knee over toes guy because traditionally, if you talk to someone, he's definitely got that um monkey foot thing in there somewhere jamie cv i found he's doing he's got in the middle there jamie with the yeah that one with the arrow so that's showing like the

59:50 she got a bunch of stem cells and shit shot in there but she's now doing a lot of this guy's and get all the way down and like he does a lot of stuff on slant boards if you go to that one that the video that we're zurcher uh squat grip like where you put it in the crux of your elbow with weights seen it on his page, but the video might not be up And you just flex the foot up and down.

1:02:43 on to like a chin-up bar like this and then he threw a kick forward he threw a combination forward and i was like oh this guy's not hitting So two wicked KOs in a row like that over two top guys. But, yeah, man, I'm super happy with it, man. Yep, yep. that I can replicate that headspace regardless of the situation yeah you, you said something after the fight when you were talking to,

1:06:23 You go there. Everyone that I go into a fight now with i'm really trying to hurt it is. And that's one of the main things that I took from that loss is that like, we're not playing soccer. Like don't walk into that fight, not ready to go. It's also a lesson, right? It's You can't sleep you get up to take a piss and you can't stop thinking about it like fuck

1:09:21 the shitty conversations you have to have with people oh my god like the shitty looks you get what do you think went wrong yeah hey man uh you'll get is worse than physical pain. And I remember after the first time I lost, I had like my own existential doing uh I remember having the very lucid thought of like when I was having those feelings of like

1:11:30 Did you have like an aha moment? You're so nice. and stuff like that uh you know I feel like I found my spirit and I feel There's, you know, it's just me and this and it's just here. There's a lot of voices happening in my head and uh and when you just kind of sit and you listen you they're just trying to, they're surviving. and you can look into a valley

1:14:50 because you're the center of your own mind and your own ego and there's nothing other than like The way art makes you feel is like I love art. capture that is like yeah so beautiful too yeah yeah yeah it's you know someone's trying to you uh i think like 28 or 29 of them i haven't done like the scary ass ones I've like do them most of the time when I'm hiking and

1:17:29 Just how often do we have to sit and not think of anything or watch anything or any of that? new york and he was like dude the city is a ghost town yeah we just had a guy here yesterday hamilton like birds chirping and shit and do you uh are you kind of like out of the city like on some land yeah yeah see i'm trying to get some land in colorado well ultimately i want to get a ranch

1:19:57 Does he drive it himself? He comes here all the time with his fucking helicopter. he's got he knows how to do it i mean he's got a license but because of the fact that he has this ones we could park in a small area yeah if we get like some really super genius dude who's really Yeah, and that way it's all contained. That's the shit. I need that now.

1:22:01 Mm-hmm. And it's really weird. ass buildings, have It's a car that turns into a plane. You can get a car or a plane. How do you say it? The guy who created it apparently is blown away. Oh. I thought Elon got it worth like a dollar a coin now, right? Not quite. No, not quite? Maybe about five cents. Oh. Honestly, I have no idea. the developers all are like,

1:24:36 Yeah. you can break it into pieces called Satoshis, I am not a financial advisor. Because he created this online marketplace where you could buy any drug you wanted. when he was arrested years and years ago. They're decriminalized. Yes. So they're starting to do studies with psilocybin Yeah, I'm not sure what the protocol is. Yeah, a million different things.

1:28:23 You know, over in, too, where it's just like, you've been doing doing it for so long you did kind of everything that there is to do in the sport like Is that what he's getting? Now think about it. No, I want some, though. Fucking damn good, son. Is some damn good is it well here bro i got you covered son have yourself a bottle of It could have been anybody's fight at any moment, kind of a fight,

1:30:41 knocked out Justin Gaethje. You look at the guys he's... to make 145. I remember, Got to get your ass out of the way of it. Jimmy Rivera and him. And if you see, when he checked it, he didn't just lift his leg out. only watched the third round I forget what I was doing for one or two yeah that's what I heard um check it it's fucking nonsense he's getting pissed so but it's that that's how you check it you've

1:33:36 Maybe that's why he charged at him though too. So he's got that heavy front leg. in in training uh like people throwing them on me or throwing them uh well i guess both um like the century bob everyone's gonna go strapped in in one of those suits when you saw that fight but who was who was it that made those like really really popular benson henderson was the first guy

1:36:16 their professional career and they're doing something the same, you're like, eh, maybe I think that there's just as much. seriously you know because if you let guys like a francis and gano type character thing about the ufc's espn deal yeah they've been crushing it man yeah dana white's been crushing it Cruz and Casey. Oh, yeah. Look, they're all ranked guys.

1:38:38 Yeah, he said he might be 193. Yeah, he's so good. I mean, we'll find out if he's right. If he's coming from the Palo Costa fight, it's not that long ago. Oh, every 10. Oh, you're talking about in the heavy ones. like welterweight in boxing is 147 welterweight in the ufc is 170 that's a fucking giant difference He hits so fucking hard. Like, this huge black and red bruise on his ribcage.

1:41:29 He really is. like what do you do differently than you would do it for a 185-pound fighter? and Rockhold's laying his back like, what the fuck? Those guys are big, man. You know, like you think like if it's a circle, five feet less, there's a lot less room for, There's no crowd. That's really surprising. There's moments when you're there, you know.

1:43:51 to heavyweight too yes and you know he's talking about fighting john jones but he said uh recently When is that? Oh! Happens right after stuff about stipe same thing with the first fight in the first fight people felt the same way you got to get away from him and then also in ghana is going to get away from stipe taking him down John. Because if he wins

1:46:45 You know, it's too much. nuked Cyborg and then everybody's like Jesus and then every fight since then has been you know like she's had some Yeah, because she's a fucking tank. I bet it is. That's Drew Dober. Come on, son. How tall is she? will ever come She's gotten people to fight in both bantamweight and in Cody's back in it after KOing a Sun Tzu.

1:49:57 good trilogy you know what a cool trilogy when when was last time we had like a cool trilogy in I mean, listen. Charles Oliveira has looked sensational. That makes sense. He wants him to fight again for the title. because I'm sure that he has like a ton of lessons, you know, to teach people. That's all that I want to do. these guys are probably fantasizing about like hurting their opponents.

1:52:26 then stepping into the ring the transformation that his mind makes i saw a video of it where So talking on here about that? So your mom and your girlfriend sat you down, like just saying weird shit like that it's like my mom and girlfriend were like please for god's while it's a fight for your life? And I think that you don't really get to prepare for that

1:54:59 like that and be like that guy's an asshole you know but now i get it like now i get it like uh set of cultural rules yeah you know like here it is play this oh yeah yeah i've seen this Oh, man, I want to hear it. goosebumps man i totally think that that's what he thinks too i mean yeah man when i walk into No, from the beginning. I feel my knuckle piercing against the tight leather gloves on the Everlast boxing gloves.

1:57:13 but I always stayed afraid of him. Then once I see a chink in his arm, boom, one of his eyes may move, He'll fight hard for the first two or three rounds, and I know he's not able to take my punches. That's how you learn how to be intense, man. and you realize how much he studied those people. in your brain you know so like the first 30 40 minutes of my day when I'm in training camp and outside,

1:59:43 What are you reading? way past technical part. That extends into the level of intensity that you're bringing in when And this is something that you're programming your mind to think like. Around like four or five weeks out, it's pretty intense. And it's like, it's literally just me laying in bed. and talking with my sports psychologist and all of that.

2:03:02 hands on someone to put it nicely and laying in bed and not thinking about anything else And they're going to come out 10 minutes before the fight, 15 minutes before the fight. And you're not going It wants to make your life feel really small. changes, blah, blah, blah. And then I started writing in my journal. what bitch we're happening 10 15 minutes before the fight you're feeling small and like i don't

2:06:40 can be crippled just by the anxiety of it yeah it's easier to be small than it is to be big yes i used to name my egos yeah i used to name them because i would watch them and they'd Charlie wanted to go out all the time, identifying that it's me that's thinking this is just some stupid person oh interesting it helped I'm not big on all of that stuff, but, uh, I want to set myself or I want to set myself up and my fam, my future family up

2:08:45 The good thoughts. strike but me telling myself that is a good thought for me like you know it maybe makes me a little Like, I knock Frankie out. I think. do grapple with reality like it's working yeah you know it's clearly working in two big fights in a That's the problem, right? You'll get fucked up in this sport if you get too comfortable. I think it's probably in almost anything that's difficult.

2:11:19 So it's really hard for me to just pause and be like, all right, cool. Would you be willing to fight one more time for the title? is probably Garbrandt and probably TJ. I've been two since I beat Marlon. Pedro Munoz. Rob Font is good. that yeah i don't know why it wasn't really him in february because he was off of his suspension He's very good. gonna be the man looks like the man you know it's chiseled guys built like a greek god yeah we were

2:15:02 but I wouldn't answer that question with that much confidence if I was him. care to be too confident I think I care to be really good and uh and and that's what I care Dude, I used to be a huge fan of all those WEC guys. So I went out in 2014 when I was still an amateur. at the uh at the little train station or however I got yeah it's uh to me it's a bummer that Glory never really caught on.

2:17:59 like, you know, like the UFC is. Yep. Yeah. Oh, sick. was wrong with his hip and you're like oh my god it was like torn labrum torn this torn that Lead cards announced for all one on TNT event. So's on on tnt yeah starting in april they're How do they both have belts? Even just achievements-wise, They're just like I'm gonna do this shit in this fight against like some of the best guys in the world

2:21:36 too much no i don't think he does yeah you said it's not gonna be much of a problem that's that's yeah you know what i'm saying like a little leathery well it just looks like his everything But, you know, I mean, he said he couldn't get out of bed, He's one of those guys, and that's why I asked you earlier about, like like do you try to read people's demeanors when they walk into the cage he's one

2:23:42 interesting that the the mind like there's no there's no gonna suck a little bit you know for nine weeks and then that last week i try to taper and even and then cutting that last 13 that week and are you depleting are you doing that water load thing is going in me so I have it to lose. Do you have a weight cutting coach? So I used to work with I'll probably weigh this tomorrow just depending on how hungry

2:27:14 cuts that we're actually feeling good when we walk into the cage. That is very nice that the UFC but I'm blanking on it now. So it's that and shake one. Shake two is something a little bit a really knowledgeable and easy guy to work with and he'll you know like he really tells you exactly you have world-class coaches and people that understand scientific stuff because there's probably just not as much money as like the NFL and the NBA and

2:30:32 i i don't ever feel like i'm dehydrated when i walk into the cage you know like i'm usually as much as i hate to say it like some i mean it's already happened but some guys you know they have I'm pretty sure. maybe, you know, I'm not sure but I it's one thing that they've been doing this way for so long They're about to fight. Just throwing some ideas around.

2:33:04 Oftentimes. Yeah. Yep. they do hydration tests with high school wrestling and college wrestling they you can be done it's all sorts of different weight classes. And I think that we're starting to see that now where it's like, no, Yeah. Yeah. That was true? He said he had leg cramps, and he couldn't sleep, and he had a glass of wine, and that didn't do it.

2:36:27 you have one idea of who paulo costa is his whole career just smashing people walks down yoel romero oh, I wasn't expecting that to happen. Yeah. He's going to, you know, it's going to be a blood and guts battle. Do you? People swear by a lot of wacky shit. That's his first time doing it. the idea so i go to a place called rock solid physical therapy and it's this place where uh

2:38:50 overcompensate and that's why it's really sore and like that's been like a i've been going to Yeah. Every time I've hurt my knees, it's been because my glutes and my hips are really tight because it's just tired from compensating. like in terms of how much strength and conditioning work, is just being whiny. But like with with my set of coaches, because we've been around for so long and, you know, a lot of them I would consider like my best friends.

2:41:57 has kind of helped me with that a lot too I'm dead tired I'll still go in I'll just do less maybe I'll drill or I'll do something different night and that i get like moderate sleep and it was that every single night uh with the exception said he stopped wearing a whoop strap for the same reason he said because he'd wake up and say oh you Yeah. It depends on how much coffee I drink.

2:44:41 so many variables with the human body you know whether or not you're getting massages whether or not you're doing ice baths whether or not you're doing sauna there's so many o'clock so we do that so uh monday is wrestling tuesday sparring wednesday is drilling with I think it's going to make you feel a little bit better. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

2:46:49 that i run myself so it's like okay how's everyone feeling if everyone looks like you know they just through more of a strength building stuff because that's more important for my body type. And then I have like a small guy group. Monday and Tuesday, I think think are the only two days actually learning and getting better and drilling just from being tired from the trail

2:49:48 it's a little bit bigger than that so i can actually sit in the whole thing but Yeah, I'm a big believer in the dry sauna. Oh, okay. I fucking love it, man. Because I had one in my house in California. Okay. How many days a week would you recommend to do it? And what? rocks. and the last five minutes can really fucking suck. We all do. Yeah. or something i don't remember it's probably days eight plus hour plank oh there it is at 62

2:55:15 Guy's an animal. just gets your body accustomed to just doing something is i would wake up every saturday morning and i would go do a trail run uh by by red rocks in go through life they just don't have that at all so that the moment adversity rears its ugly head Yeah, stuff like that. You're putting your ego on the line. You know, it's a crazy way to live your life.

2:58:15 The life is worth it. you thank you all right bye everybody