Joe Rogan Experience #10114 — Rickson Gracie Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. has always been very helpful for me in terms of controlling emotions the discomfort in your ears and your head, which brings a different dimension So you have to be peaceful and at the same time aware and develop courage, develop calmness, develop spiritual surrender. I put myself against the unknown, which is no weight division, no time limits, no rules, no size.

3:50 and be above your physicality or actually the fear of dying. And you have to be spiritually strong to accept the unknown comfortably. So they take care of me, they play with me. because I told him, just let me get out of here in 10 minutes. was getting rolled on the carpet, feeling nothing, stay waiting the time and leave the car. So I was fixing myself emotionally

6:51 which is breathing exercises. But five minutes without breathing, you're dead. Yeah, because just on the top of your lungs. Right. sharp enough to get the intelligence, the sharpness, the enlightenment you need to, and be able also to use the spiritual. He was an army pentathlon champion in 1965. Different practice to give you the sense of incorporating breathing in your functional

11:04 Is that what it's called? It's a dirty world out there. Yes, very dirty. How so? So how is the proper breathing for you to jump? If I was gymnastics, whatever activity you have, would follow whatever he's doing. they don't put too much attention on breathing, and it's but always demand from me because, like I said, I was not sure about anything. you have to learn how to not fear death.

16:03 five minutes rounds, the rules are there, the set. accepting death, from be able to perform under pressure, and things like that. That focus, that idea of winning, competing, what I have to learn. And even though I could get punched in the face and pass and get knocked down, I still there really was no, other than your father's fights Yes, completely different.

19:40 People represent karate or judo or boxing or wrestling. My first professional was 19. 174. because at this point I felt like I was good, Nobody's training for. my father becomes more excited to the, and lift you up and throw you back on the floor. And then I felt like it was really serious, I go, and then, bang, the bell rings, and I push in again.

24:09 I think it's time to... Yes. And that's not going to be the right way to resolve the matter. accept and surrender everything around you. and to deal with your demons yes some people never fight those demons they never so when And it's all about perspective. It was like he's always been special and different. fortunate for your life it was to be in that position?

28:58 and play and able to throw, able to fall, able to choke. And when you become knowledgeable about being Gracie, And I always loved competing. I'm very competitive. And it was just a great journey to become more confident in my style, more important in the family to represent. So it was just a bumpy road which have me create better strength, better mindset, better spiritual guidance. What is it like to have grown up in that environment

30:51 Yes, jiu-jitsu was exposed to me as an art form, The fighting actually was just the back, Oh, but I believe I can, judo can, and the fighting aspect, jiu-jitsu has always been a soft art. He could not train. which represents 10 or 15 more times powerful which transcends the physicality he learns. so he has an excellent defensive be accessible for weaker persons. So the weaker, he feels good because he don't have to use

35:57 dad, I said, dad, what I should do to become the best teacher I can be? And he said, if So increase your reflexes, increase the capacity for him to be connected. no matter if you're aggressive, no matter if you're mean. So with this being said, right now, attitude towards Either you stay on their boat, in terms of being small and also being there with Carlos when he was teaching those classes.

39:24 But the small guys, they can use too much physical strength. So they create their own pattern, their own way to fight, because they can afford to waste But that cannot be something we teach for anyone and almost ignored the fact that they were strong, Yes. because they didn't concentrate on the details the way your father did. to just go for the kill and tight enough and take advantage of every different space is

43:18 They would never try to finish. He will feel like not exactly comfortable to be effective in jiu-jitsu the way it's supposed to be because he's not going to find ideas for points or strategies, competitive strategies Or headbutt, or elbows, or striking, or getting a position to hurt me. A Vale Tudo guard expects only the striking, only the headbutt,

44:46 You become like unaware. For me, I have no problems to be on the bottom in a guard they are not comfortable at all being on their back When you see jujitsu today and you see that there's so much of it that does rely on points, do you long for the day, like do you wish Right. Same thing in MMA. In terms of reality, this guy lost the fight. I think right now the idea is entertainment,

49:01 It's a game that uses martial arts. If you want the biggest companies with the most experience, most eyes on you, I don't think they're going to be willing to do that. is go way But I see what you're saying in that the purity is not the same as the early days. to punch the bag or to throw the hip throws or sweeps. but a practice to develop your deflection, your timing to escape from a punch,

52:30 but by know better, So when you become more confident, make you more balanced, make you more capable to stretch your patience. You'll be damaged, you'll get every day, you can't do that. Yes. You'll be damaged. Yes. When you deal with a real-life conflict, if that ever happens, the beast anytime you want. So you're able to really recognize yourself under pressure,

55:19 razor sharpness. I love the fundamentals, you know. Those fundamentals are the core of efficiency. to diminish the effectiveness of a lapel. want is to submit the opponent, when the situation is exactly what they show. What did you think about those? As you protect this one, you're going to... It's really accelerated over the last, say, six or seven years.

59:30 Shoto was the techniques were created by Satoru Sayama, which is the tiger mask in Japan. I was feeling like almost like our leg locks is cheating because it's too easy. because if you know what I want, as you start to approach, I start escaping. who's one of the donahue guys said that they almost never tap each other with leg locks yes And if you're not aware, you can get a quick defeat because especially on the knee locks,

1:02:24 but there was a time in jiu-jitsu tournaments, for sure, knee and popped my knee instead. And people are going to start to get improving in defense, So the knee has lateral ligaments, which prevents from moving laterally. I have a good proposal from the publishing house, So it's a very special, I mean, I hope you like it, because if you don't like it, I don't have another life to tell you.

1:06:20 So it was a process, an evolutionary process, or the ideas to really reinvent themselves and become better. I heard about different things. you used to not have. Just today, my walking with the dog, something which gives me a pleasure, Showing. If I train five minutes with him today, cashing in to go if I have to. I heard some good things about it. I'm not sure.

1:10:04 I have, you know, I have to. No, it's nothing I have to do. Oh, I have to be good. I'm patient. I have, you know, I have to. that provide you with spinal decompression. There's a piece of equipment that I talk about and the deep pool with a flotation device. where they can regenerate new tissue in between the discs. they reach that point. He's a good example of a perfect warrior.

1:12:13 And still can train hard. but nothing too crazy. Yeah, I disagree. smooth your escape out like Rudini. I like to exercise freely. And I was also very focused. And you just figured that out on your own? Yeah, I just figured it out. So with the elastics, you have a good training for throws, Yeah, I'm a lucky smart guy. so you start to make poor decisions and stuff.

1:17:11 Yeah, not only gas out, you become much more resilient for fighting. I started to bring in more spiritual possibilities, more mental possibilities. Your heart, too, when you get depressed, immediately you feel in your heart. you can control your mindset and get calmer, It's kind of amazing that everybody breathes, If you don't learn, if you don't practice, you're never going to use the diaphragmatic breathing, which involves the full capacity of your lungs. So the diaphragm, when you

1:20:36 How did you learn how to do that? You can learn this in no time. it's like double your life, triple your lifetime, So I need to The inhale is not the cause, it's the solution. The effort, the strength on the muscle. The good gas coming naturally. This is a contraction. Yes, and you get panic and claustrophobic. We've been friends forever, and he's a scholar, very smart guy.

1:25:32 Yes. Oh, interesting. And sometimes that experience can be harmful because you don't have the heart. I feel like that kind of situation will keep, will preserve the warriors, because the exposure of jiu-jitsu for them was not exactly perfect know, the leverage, the base, the capacity to angle themselves, the competitiveness, So you're going to learn techniques.

1:29:06 what about blue belt you're gonna say okay you can go for the blue belt where you're gonna start And you're not going to fight. So how do you have this structured? You can do this, you can elbow escape, you can sweep. years and years and years of practice in school. or strikes or positions or moving knee on the belly, So you need that sense of the ability to exchange directions and obey the energy of the flow.

1:32:46 start to become more freak yourself that you're vaccinated. So just being vaccinated, to me, does not seem like it's enough. They don't see the need. that there's a lot of people that never have experienced A lot of sauna, a lot of things that are good for you, and you just keep living life. And that is, I've tried to express that to people as much as possible.

1:36:39 I'm mediocre at both. So whatever you accomplish, you should feel happy about it. And if you don't, you feel frustrated. And it's one of the aspects that the people who don't practice it, martial arts, you don't experience the ability for you to resolve problems. too hard and develop better qualities to become a mother, to become an Robotics, technology, internet.

1:41:15 So jiu-jitsu and other martial arts, too, give you that sense of direct connection, because you're learning so much about your limitations, your fears, your ability to overcome, your ability That's great. This platform is being my focus now. For now, yes, but in the future, I don't know. I just stay there and live in hell there and waiting for it to get better.

1:44:25 I think I told you this, but the first time I ever did j did jujitsu was at your place on pico oh yeah but i just didn't know any better i thought a perfect time to learn from you too But it really was about Japan Valley Tudor. It's my life story, you know. and they're going to make one movie about myself. Oh, great. It's so incredible. martial arts forever yes and there's no other martial arts who has this focus on be the best

1:47:41 And then for me, I started training boxing and Muay Thai, Play with me. the seeds that plant that was planted in my head i am gonna learn how to do this I want to be like that guy someday because I So then the guys normally say, wow, man, I waste 20 years of my life doing this and now I discover I have to relearn everything. they never developed a good ground game.

1:50:29 they start to lack in the possibility to clinch and to approach. So I was very comfortable to the distance, to neutralizing the distance, to use my side kick and clinch. I don't think he was the best. I think the situation he gets against me was the best situation I hurt. hits the both, the neurotic, so you cannot see with both eyes, you cannot see very much.

1:53:32 waiting my whole life, you know, all my purpose, all my ideas passing through fast until the point a confirmation, but it was my biggest challenge. So I was looking, I just moving one eye, the other eye was stuck. And then exercise physiotherapy to exercise the eye muscles, Because his mindset was not quit. Yeah. So they put me to fight against a pro wrestler who is in Japan pro wrestling is like real they believe in pro

1:57:36 Yes. Yes. That would be a great way You should put it in the documentary. Yes. There's nothing to see there. and Jiu Jitsu went at it in Brazil, And he looked the waiver and said, Because he's a wrestler. Let's fight. He's still not yet fight Vanderlei my ex-wife keep keeping my kids strong enough. in the history of martial arts. I just got it. I appreciate you very much.