Joe Rogan Experience #10122 — Jake Shields Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience Watch the water. Definitely true. Okay. Oh, Jesus. The crazy thing is they banned this from YouTube. I mean, even if it's ridiculous, come on. Especially this is just so ridiculous. It's like, come on. COVID narrative that's that's what's yeah it's kind of crazy how they'll ban even stuff that's If you put it out now, there wouldn't even be a debate about it.

3:44 Isn't that like one of the royal families? No, I didn't. thought of it at least. Did you ever see that documentary, The Dissident? No, I didn't. I hear that's really good, yeah. Jake, you started MMA and competition jiu-jitsu in the days where rampant steroid use. Right. There's definitely less now, but to me I think there's still some out there. Yeah.

5:45 along, how many people melted? a lot of these teams I'm just no idea and I would never accuse anyone of a, diuretics. It's, you know, retirement is a— They pay good, but they just don't have the same kind of promo and attention. but I wanted to fight GSP. But it's still, a patchy mix, no one really knows who he is and he's fighting. Did you see Corey Anderson versus Nemkov this past weekend?

8:16 He was doing fantastic Oh, that's the— So we'll just go a little bit before this so you can see. man. Not that you're not, Yeah, man. Bellator had some great fighters, but. That's why they didn't mention Elite XC, because Strikeforce bought Elite XC and got their TV when the brawl broke out between Mayhem and you guys. after the birth of the ufc damn is it that soon yeah you're right 93. oh yeah yeah the sports

10:52 I'm going up there. I think like three, four weeks. I think I got the crap beat out of me by Chuck Liddell one time. Chuck? Yeah, it was not. Like, these young kids that don't know, put some respect on that guy's name. and just uh went after it yeah that was such a crazy time right because like Chuck fought Pele 30-minute fight, I think. Mm-hmm. There should...

13:23 If I had it... Headbutts were legal. Yes, they were. That is a savage man. Who would it have been against? I just moved to LA and I watched the second UFC. Like, oh my God, this is crazy. I was just a young kid getting in trouble. But your personality is kind of the opposite. Right. blowed if I was to eat it I would do like you go hunting or something because the idea of like

17:13 backpacking experience, though. Yeah. Well, it's Because these fuckers are jumping out in front of the car all over the place. That's different. So I figured I might as well eat it. Probably like 10 years ago. And I think I probably could build it within a couple of days, but I don't have it for burritos and vegetables rice um you know thai food indian food i eat all all kinds of stuff

19:20 There's different people, man. Just like psychologically? switch to vegan or vegetarian i'm like hey do it slow you know just cut your meat How stuff makes me feel. If I eat something and I don't feel good, I know I don't want to eat it. Like if I eat Krispy Kreme, But if you eat a donut, you have to go to this place in Round Rock. Send Jamie. Who do you think comes up with that?

21:57 Oh, wait. I didn't know about that game until Tim Pool told me about it. I'm going to try to get you later. But it's also a white power thing. Because I remember there was this photo of these militia guys, and they had that thing. just chilling there. Oh, my God. signaling to people he's like an older in his 40s family like nice guy probably doesn't go online

24:08 and all these Black Lives Matter people came by, Organizers like white people get in front yell at her and white people you know I'm like that was forget the friends them you were racist if you didn't post a black square. You can't tell someone they have to post a goddamn black square. have felt that pressure too but it's just like those are scary moments because people are accustomed

26:26 I think it was the COVID lockdowns were just so extreme in San Francisco. It took me a while, but I slowly now I'm back above where I was. or something, it'll get like no, no likes, no retweets. especially the middle class they didn't fucking care because their checks kept coming all those They finally get a little bit of money coming in. people's businesses that have spent years,

28:41 went up to the top 1% during this, I need to get this thing fixed. I got mine fixed. is completely stuffed up what was the recovery time on that uh fucking nothing i was rolling That's like my friend gave me that thing for breathing out your nose. I'm going to do a home surgery now. I'm going to get his number from you after we leave. So Josh is manipulating this dude's nose.

30:58 This is not the same. The truth is I got to find it. I hate going to the doctor. It's going to swell. He didn't sterilize that pen. it was like yeah in the middle of the night i had like cold sweats i didn't know if i was Where were you at? He had a gym right next to it. I've been to Chiang Mai. I love Thai food. not beating people up like one of the things about sparring like you have to be really careful say if

34:13 Unless you're really good, you go in a boxing gym, they're going to go out there and literally You shouldn't be sparring like this. so they spar super light so it makes sense yeah so if you don't fight all the time you probably want to spar hard occasionally because they fight Yeah. A bigger one, longer. But no, heart concussion, a couple months, I would say.

36:22 Well, there's a lot of people that were never the same again after a brutal fight you know i mean we all know guys that were in wars and were never the same My last fight was Ray Cooper, a lot of damage, but I just mentally didn't really feel in that fight either. Right. Yeah, no, I did. It's like, you know, they don know, like I said, they don't have the same hype as UFC, so that sucks.

38:03 So they're paying these people pretty well. They have good fighters. I think it's pointless. you have to be all in to be a fighter, I've been fortunate to have good mentors around me, He really has business figured out. Oh, okay, the BJJ marijuana company. How often do you get high, first off? Nick, I think Nick smokes Oh, you just had Mike Tyson? Yeah, I'm a lightweight.

41:40 Just puts them down, puts it down. Savage. He can at least. Yeah. high while you're fighting then you're making an argument that it might be helping yeah it means Tiny amount. was? She just seemed like, I don't know. She just seemed like resentful because he was from Stockton They just abuse it. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Well, I mean, it was close enough.

45:04 It does, but doesn't... There's no clear judging criteria. Yeah, if you're a good body triangle rider and you lock it, fucking beast, man. No one's been able to Oh, he's the real deal. His jiu-jitsu is off the charts. I think with a situation a title. I think you should be able No. You have to beat a guy. I think most people's eyes. I mean, look at his record.

47:55 Like, he's beat the fuck out of some people. No, I don't. So got him a lot of attention. So you're in the gym, you're training, and you see guys, and into. And when you put energy into them, It's small. The excitement level. Well, that's what Gary Tonin said. in front of all your friends, fans, You commentated that one, right? look up you're like what the hell the fucking screens alone were so big and the roars of the

51:09 know call me and Carlos Condit in the same night like two just complete savages and won both of Who submitted Henderson? fight the fucking who's who yeah it's I did not have a padded record I wish I Damn, dude. You had fucking wars. You're three years removed. Not quite. me teach because I enjoy teaching, but I don't, I'm not like a John Donahue. to the point where he lives in the gym,

54:10 And a lot of that is from rugby before he ever did jujitsu yeah no yeah i was training in new york when he had the hip replacement and the knee and he was just an absolute pain you coach as well as his jiu-jitsu coach i was like holy fuck that's insane yeah when i started talking I mean, what are the I mean how many of those guys are out there? There's no one out. I think just one right him

55:50 Yeah, it makes no sense. He's rich now or making good money. But he drove really well. I guess he's an intelligent guy. I was impressed. Yeah, probably a $50,000, $60,000 car. No, I never made it to Puerto Rico. Yeah. It doesn't sound like a good time unless you're gay. What caused that? And it was just like, no. Craig's hilarious. Amazing. Wow, really?

58:46 he was saying the difference between gi and no-gi I train gi and no-gi. Yeah. Yeah. you're not really a purple belt. He's like, if you wanted to get really good at racquetball and they told you to only play No, and it made zero sense, but people were adamant about it. my opinion it's totally unrealistic if I was just doing jiu-jitsu I'd say do both if you have an

1:01:42 And then I go back and watch some just like exotic calf slices and some fucking weird way to take the back and like whoa the effectiveness of an Imanari There's so many elite level Imanari roll guys now. Yeah. It's not like in pain all the time, but it's just so stiff. I can't. If I go roll my head really? Is your neck fucked up from jiu-jitsu? Yeah.

1:02:53 Really? Like, fuck, I forgot what to give one to Mike Tyson. and uh the thing the way it spins left and right there's resistance in it so you can tighten or they call it the Stevie Wonder. get bulging discs or anything in the neck i think i have a couple bulging discs my neck i got um lifting but a guy talked me into I mean I literally would start with like 15 pounds on there.

1:05:25 Obviously, different injuries are different. And if you do it with a light weight, He's just a fucking complete gorilla. 270 pound kettlebells so it's not much weight and i don't you know i just do them for reps and on a gym right over here has one too but it's um having a reverse hyper machine in the gym should Shout out to the great and powerful a podcast with him.

1:08:12 and we can meet him and stuff. He told me that after shoulder surgery, he had his shoulder replaced, Well, these guys are all juiced to the tits, too. biceps were gone. Both of his Probably not. I'm going to guess 70. Bro, he's tearing his body apart like most of his life. He was 70. Boy, that doesn't even look like him. Yeah. When I was commentating on 22 events a year, it was crazy.

1:10:49 and stuff it's crazy yeah right I did have that. Because at any other era, right? Or you'd have to be like Stephen Colbert. schmoozy, you know fucking Like, here's the thing. Or is he just like the money? on the in. He's in You need to see it right now. and say that that's definitely true. Look at him dancing. He's a risk taker. Yeah, I guess you never know, right?

1:14:43 Dude, I have friends that would yell at people to put masks on. They explain that. But even then, you shouldn't be wearing it outside. There was like a two-week period where I got N95 and wore it, Well, imagine kids trying to look through the mask and figure out what you're saying. That's got to be so difficult. I have a hard time. If someone's wearing a mask, I have a hard time

1:16:32 And you're like, I don't know what the fuck you're saying. It's just... Yeah, I was so fortunate to be in the best possible community I didn't know I had COVID, but just found out I'm a COVID survivor. Yeah. I mean, I probably should, but I think my diet and just working out, low stress living, you know, not having a boss, you know, do what I want, I think makes me healthy.

1:18:03 But like kind of. You're such a big part of the UFC, they wouldn't want to lose you. That was probably for me financially at all about money anymore And I remember when you first started cage commentating, like you were a big name. Yeah, never watched that. Backing, like, oh, look how young I was. That's where you grew up? Everyone's just angry, yelling

1:20:39 nice until I moved. Well, if that's all you know, you know. Like, I don't like, like, bossing me around. I don't like that from my friends. I don't like that from they don't know how to say no they start they start letting the girl boss them around slowly Right. And put it online? I think it'd be great. There's a lot of very interesting guys that are actors that I would love

1:23:20 a fucking speech and win an award Where Michelle Wolf did it once and she mocked Trump. Yeah, that was just, doesn't set a good It's not like they're making fun of a bad movie that, you know, everybody mocks. Yeah, you see guys that don't know how to get out, or girls. I like nice people. That's no getting away from it. There's assholes in this world, male and female. I like nice people.

1:24:58 It's weird. least? Well, it definitely got really weird over the last two. percent. Cause you know, I'm an independent and I have a ton of friends that I think fighting And for me, it's like it was my liberal friends that would be yelling at the conservative friends. they do things that I just can't associate with. Yeah, same. My parents were hippies, so I always grew up since I'm a liberal but not anymore

1:27:24 Beating people up over that guy Milo speech. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's when I first started following politics when I was in Berkeley. Antifa were there just beating people up over that guy Milo's speech. would have tolerated in a more rational sane time yeah no i had friends that were sticking up for Oh, no. I go, who gets to decide who the Nazi is?

1:28:49 can enhance their perspective. Jesus Christ. a gang to go fight this other gang like i get the idea that this antifa thing is a problem but the That's when I'm like, what? I have friends getting robbed, cars stolen, jacked with guns. Their windows down in cars. I saw a guy. Some fucking insane person at a crowbar and he walked down the street smashing windows.

1:31:32 you know he was just describing it just the other day all these different people that he saw get Because the white liberals are mostly fine. on your show. Too dangerous for the gang members, wow. but it's going to get worse. He's like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yeah, they're letting people out of jail that don get let out of jail. And as bad as it is now, he goes, like, it's bad now, but it's going to get worse.

1:33:20 How come they don't let him out? if you, look, I'm not justifying what he did. All of us would say, that's what I would do. That's the only thing that I said. Doesn't get tired, yeah. So it's hard to give someone that The Russians were in negotiation with the UFC. Maybe that's a fake memory. It can happen, especially with that. there in their best interest but they were trying to maximize the money and then so then they took

1:36:20 Yeah. His arm bars, everything off his back. I was live at that one. I was like dying. At least the days that I was there. Like I can't imagine. Yeah, it actually might slow you down because your body's like, what the fuck? He goes, really acclimate? But to get the full benefit, Yeah, that's what sucks. You just believe it without looking it up he was a serious dude though he was

1:39:40 miles in a month or something I feel like you got have something wrong with he doesn't give a fuck about pain. he doesn't give a fuck about pain. Could you imagine? That could be a thing. And we're going to go and do this. Do you remember who it was? Alexander Hamilton died in a duel? There's an old milk commercial from the 90s. And his mouth is full of a peanut butter jelly sandwich.

1:41:57 Remember someone brought up that. Yeah, because that's the play. Might have been. Four nights a week. who accused him of cheating What? I think he even had one where he got shot and survived the shooting to end up shooting that guy back. I'm looking that up But that was a guy who insulted his wife. Like, you make a deal. Yeah, I insulted Rachel. of those little muskets,

1:45:01 dude. With his pistols. But back You think of Wild West, think of gunfights. If you think of New York City, you think of the United States and you go to the 1800s what do you think of you think of Wild West thing of gunfights if you think of New The duel's protocol required stated that, oh, protocol required stated that Dickinson to remain in place while Jackson aimed to take his shot.

1:46:31 to kill him if he had and Dickinson would be the only man he ever killed in a duel, I already killed someone. to the point where they're pulling guns out? he probably was getting challenged a lot too, you know? Yeah, they're probably so bored. out their fucking heads hey let's just try bears back then man those are different that's a different kind of human that gets on a boat without it even a

1:49:00 talking about? It's cold. What? When? It's great over here. When they hit Florida, there's that book about Cabeza de Vaca. Florida and into North America. It's just wild. it is like that seems 1776 seems like a long time ago but I'm not even that's who was just conquering the plains, some Comanche tribal chief who had conquered this area. and genocide and all that.

1:51:13 What the fuck are you talking about? And then in the future, now, it is going to be fucking crazy. I think it's going to be even bigger. How forward is this to Jamie? All ideas. How forward is this to Jamie? Bill Gates, let's make more vaccines. Yeah. I'm going to be smarter than all of you. Because he'll be able to do it. I still need Jamie. The problem is you're not,

1:53:37 You know what the worst is? Because if you're in the middle of talking Have you ever tried one of those apps Oh, so you would hear an amplified version. What is that app called? already. And you know, we're on the precipice of something like a neural link. There's so many and then your knees are fucked or your back's fucked or your brain's fucked. Like you should like I don't I don't like to make out with people in the metaverse if in real life

1:56:52 You can't do it that way. The same people that are doing that are the same ones running Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, virtual reality world of friends. So it's different. They don't like their past. You could like decide that I'm going to be a sailor. You're still in your apartment. So what's that going to happen? Yeah Life isn't great. He's not Nicky Rodriguez. Right. Yeah. So it's like if you wanted to be that guy,

2:00:00 or anybody can be The Rock or anybody can be you. Stealing the going to be impossible to avoid. I really do. And I don't think it's far away. I don't think it's and I can take 4k video and I can, you know, upload it to Snapchat. We didn't think like that and reading Facebook comments so it would like shut down. An hour's plenty. Like bring my times up.

2:02:33 I got to take an eight and a half hour flight there on Thursday. and it was so much better. So San Francisco would be a good place. You could just scoop up all the human shit. fuels the matrix like boy this is amazing so san francisco would Yeah. Like one of the things that made San Francisco awesome was how tolerant everybody is and open-minded everyone is.

2:04:08 to steal. So there's just, it's not compassionate. They should be forced into rehab, not allowed to Well, the thing is like I don't think any adult should be able to tell you what you can and can't do. what to do that's crazy if Jamie told us both what to do like when you go home I Yeah, there's not a lot of meth advocates. There's an image of a penny and next next to the penny is, or actually on the penny, I think,

2:06:17 Yeah, I have seen that. because I remember seeing all the DEA pictures of weed, understand, I think it's accurate. Oh yeah, it was double the amount. So yeah,, even if that was off by, like, two times... That's what I mean. people are in really bad pain but doesn't heroin do the same thing? Carfentanil. Yeah, it's scary shit, man, because it's coming in from south of the border.

2:08:40 Because I think it's a crazy amount. That's nuts. As opposed to what? Overall, I have no answer, but I know in San Francisco, they need to arrest the dealers, together, then yeah, it shouldn't force you to rehab. For sure. They just know how to use it. The goat of fentanyl. There must be like the OG, the goat. For sure. They just know how to use it.

2:10:39 I think with fentanyl they have to. I mean, L.A. was the same. But the people that you're forcing them in there. And that's clearly not the right answer. when they got rid of the outdoor camping He was like, you can't even imagine what it looks like now. They let crazy people fucking start camping. It's just live camera. Yeah that's right by the skate park

2:13:27 That's good. It's great that they cleaned it up. That looks pretty good. There's got to be a That's a lot better. Letterman did? The thing about Skid Row is there's so many fucking people there That's what some of my friends' businesses in San Francisco are. Look at that. Yeah. fixing it either it seems to be like no uh no plans of changing direction they keep throwing

2:16:15 because there's all these people that are working on the homeless problem that are making six figures plus. They were living fat in a hog. Go make $100,000 or something else. You'd get a raise. You would need a hardliner like Rudy Giuliani there. Yeah, and then people would get mad. If someone robbed you, Those are always real, right? crime areas for education, afterschool programs, stuff like that. And more funding the police,

2:19:13 playing football, getting along, things like that. Yeah, I think more of this stuff could definitely help. where you get a big bonus if you complete your job you get a million You got this guy who's the vice president, Dick Cheney, and he used to be the CEO of Halliburton. It's a really bad problem for tourism. Yeah, and it's way more to house the person.

2:21:40 It's an open-air drug market. totalitarian solution leaving other places but they cleaned up San Francisco I mean I don't like Oakland somewhere else. Then they'd go to Oakland. Do you imagine if they allowed them to go to Oakland, but they cleaned up San Francisco? Right, exactly. does the homeless problem cost So it'll be more than what they put, because also the chased away tourists, the damage is done to place, so you won't really be able to quantify the exact cost, but just what

2:23:17 What it returns isn't going to give you what you want. So let's say it's a billion dollars. Yeah, it'd be great. company to do it. ODML What does it say to solve the problem? then you start going down. If you spend the whole budget, Yeah. What? Yeah. But how many of them live in their car? They're also addicted to drugs? the guy who parked in front of ours,

2:26:38 They want to reduce their shit. It's like he's homeless. Yeah, he's just nuts. in a residential neighborhood Right. You see them there sometimes. You're homeless if you've got a home, right? San Francisco is not like regular California. But if your van breaks down, you're still inside of it. How do they not get their cars broken? come and yell at you.

2:29:04 Yeah. Yeah. So like the whole city is turning into a tenderloin. You kind of get stuck where you're just stuck in a rut and you think, oh, this is normal. Didn't know there was much going on. For doing stuff in the fight industry, it all just comes through there. Really? I think I just lost this deal. He's got a car, and they have a setup inside the car,

2:31:42 Yeah, it happened to me once with Nick and Nate talked me into smoking right before in a hot box car. I'm so high I already stopped smoking. he wasn't in the best situation mentally and stuff, Not much. Yeah, so people were thinking that he was kind of heavy, and that's why the fight wound up being— Then all of a sudden he's, like, fighting in two months.

2:33:35 important part of uh the mma the history of mma and if people don't realize what a big party is The Cyborg fight. Oh, my God. Probably Henderson, yeah, but he landed clean. You watched that fight? They're talking shit That one was amazing. Yeah. That was my first big win. What was the event? Mm-hmm. It was massive in Japan. What was Toronto? How is that possible?

2:37:20 There was so much that they developed over there. 10 15 000 people with the wasn't pride size shootout but it was still like big arenas they Yeah, that's true. I wasn't interested in flying all the way over there. announced. You're like, whoa, he's on the card, That was a war. That was when Rampage was Rampage. and you think about punches. I mean, that is straight insanity. Let me see that again. Look how he picks him up. How strong, oh, here it is. Watch this. I mean, that is straight insanity.

2:40:00 Bam. I mean, that and then the head collides with him too on the way down. At least it was on a ring instead of like, you know, imagine if that was the concrete, Yeah. Yeah, I'm not a gi guy. Bam. Those were fun from a fan's perspective. I want to say almost had him out This is probably like, I want to say this is like 2004, 2005. That's kind of the end of his career.

2:42:55 Look at that head kick and then hit him with a punch afterwards. I think it was a pride. Yeah, he's not an easy guy to KO. Nobody. Boom. Stop Mark Hunt with a flying knee? Wiggy horse meat. Yeah, that guy was vicious. He's saucy again. Is that all that there is to that video or is there more to that video? He's very big. I mean, he was jacked then.

2:45:50 their natural levels are probably run down their natural levels are fucked like vitor Yeah, he was buck wild Evander Holyfield. Yeah. So you don't have to go back and fight at 60. My life's good. what would you do other than fighting? do a podcast because your brain is like still like oh yeah like i've made that mistake before The best of all time at this point.

2:48:47 big giant fuck who is super smart yeah super driven meets the master splinter Seven days a week. all of your life, that you're doing it seven days a week. Yeah, no, I agree. You got to be training I think you do need lighter days too. let guys pass their guard, put them in arm bars, try things. You can let him think that he's swept you. and do really well with them that they weren't, you know,

2:51:35 and show this person they can't do anything to you. He said, though, to get better, it's very important that you open up your game in the school. Huge. I mean, kind of wild. Not like a Pablo Popovich. Yeah, that guy was just unreal looking. Yeah. He's got giant delts and fucking traps. amount of weight that that guy cuts really fucks your endurance that guy went and he ended up

2:54:47 no way. And then he taps. armbar a couple times, right? Dude, he's fucking good. That's insane. As good as he was on the ground, now he's fucking terrifying standing as well. I wouldn't have wanted to be judging it. It was crazy. five I think five to one underdog or something crazy like that we're gonna find out stacked because Gilbert Burns of like seek and destroy.

2:57:04 to steamrolling people that this is kind of a wake-up call but it showed he had heart and stuff because I think that's what they're going to try to do. Because he just had that win. cool with him, so I didn't even know he's fast. Crazy. Right. to drink any water while it's light out. That's the hardest on a professional athlete. where if they're observing Ramadan, they don't give them big fights during April.

2:59:50 Oh, Leon Edwards. I believe he is. I think he didn't realize how hurt he was. Yeah, that kid's a superstar now He said that. Conor lost to Dustin, has a broken leg, takes all his time off. Nate beats Conor and starts talking Even if they're not in line for a title, Conor fighting the winner of Oliveira versus Gaethje. because that's crazy sells. I mean, he's jacked.

3:02:45 He's so big, too. How much different do you think the sport would be if there was no weight cutting? It would be better for your endurance, Yeah, but how? I hear people have ways to cheat And a lot of guys are going to lie, right? There's a few of those guys. shit he's almost my size 176 he, he's the 135-pound champ. Yeah, I believe when he fought 205, he was under 200.

3:05:23 Israel, what is your best optimal You'd have more weight. weight cuts, none of that crazy shit where you're like you really are getting close to death you push yourself close to death and some of these Well, they definitely did. They're doing it a little bit, but they're not cutting those 20, 30-pound cuts. Oh, that's right. That's wild. There's a koi pond below.

3:08:06 We'll end it with this. So is it even about COVID or is it about control? Can you give me some volume on this? He catches a koi and brings it up to his apartment with a drone. So this clever fella or woman or non-binary person, look what they do. All those fun places. Oh, you barbecued when you did it? once I started doing jujitsu I like it. Great talking.