Joe Rogan Experience #10127 — Mikey Musumeci Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah, you saved the day with Kanye again Yeah you saved a day with Kanye So you've had COVID how many times? Yeah, I run six miles every morning and I could barely walk a mile when I had it. up so did you take any medication while you had it were you on anything no just just your immune Yeah. least during that time. because I wanted to train and see

3:21 and what he stands for with martial arts. is right there also so second I could bella job as Indonesia how good well so Really? I've never even heard of someone like learning from Google Translate. No, I just over time, I just kept learning it more and more and more. Yeah. Yeah. So now you talk to the refs in Portuguese. That's very impressive. Yeah.

6:58 It's weird. Do you learn Indonesian from just the same way you learn Portuguese from just like Google Translate? Yep. So did they get an apartment for you or something? You know, because what one championship is doing, now they're getting into jiu-jitsu, which is so interesting. all over with kickboxing, Well, it's also interesting, right? And to have the elite strikers, and then guys like you,

9:57 they've really separated themselves from all these other organizations as well. the week of the tournament i was just doing it over and over and over and then when i went into Yeah, sometimes I'll end up drilling all day. It's really intelligent. So every reaction they give, you have to have an answer. So it's their partner's reaction right so every reaction they give you

13:01 that maybe you got stuck in or a position where you, someone defended and you feel like there's a position that maybe you got stuck in or a position where someone defended and you feel like there's a way to get through that. how to stop it you know and just mechanically like um reverse engineering it. Yeah. So you back engineer the move. Using your neck instead of your armpit.

14:31 to a heel hook. I'll be training, and then I'll subconsciously do something, a movement, and then I'll be like, what just happened? when i first started doing commentary for the ufc one of the biggest challenges was So they would go, oh, I see. And they'll do Muay Thai, right? Even if you're just sparring light, you're still getting touched. And I'm in Evolve right now, which like the best Muay Thai program in the world

16:58 is it possible to take minimal Marcelo Cohen. This is really interesting. I'm always baiting my partner to give me certain reactions so I can do the move, you know? Like Stylebender. Learning, I mean, just learning a new martial just in turn in terms of just learning new moves it's just great for like understanding Now there's professional jiu-jitsu, and it's getting so much exposure that you could be a professional athlete just doing jiu-jitsu.

19:16 Yeah. Oh, so much more fun. Is she enjoying it? I'll never be able to get her back for the amount of time she's tapped me. Yeah, but it's her passion. She does Like that is crazy that your legs. Yeah, I think because I've been training jiu-jitsu 21 years, my body could just bend in certain ways that, like, it's so natural for my body. So your body has developed and matured while learning jiu-jitsu.

22:36 so i'm recovering from that now do they speak english there yeah singapore they speak english back and forth but why do like why there just because it's new and unique and So I get to spend time with him and learn from him and just experience a new culture. like they get out of work and they train for fun so you haven't been going to a formal school

24:46 with mostly hobbyists wow what i would imagine there's some sort of negative to that in that Yeah, and I control all the different variables and I just add different things in. When did you start doing it that way? And then I moved to Florida. my sister in my garage and then I would go to high school and then right after school I would go train again

27:36 Yeah. donahue or something like that um so i definitely get support from people you know um like heath So do you think it's that because you've been doing jiu-jitsu since you're four years old, and obsess about all the things on my own, you know. So what's interesting about running and airdyne, what I've noticed is the first 10 to 15 minutes, you have that voice in your head.

30:37 about competition or are you just trying to breathe and keep moving? So I think the biggest like as if I was competing. so strong and I didn't want And you but you've gone up as high as like, what, 155? Yeah, totally. and I could keep studying and learning Jiu-Jitsu. people you're training with if they're there like to hurt you or are they there to like

33:41 Well, I've always found that people that are smaller like yourself generally tend to be the most technical because they have to be. they're not strong, right? I always say and they'll throw punches the right way, hard for someone that's just learning jiu-jitsu A hundred percent. It's interesting because I've talked to both Boucher and Gordon, who are like two of the

36:09 Yeah. They're very exciting. It's um, it's amazing the just the depth of it. Always something new. growing because it's infinite possibilities yeah no i think so too where what do you see for that's my goal with jujitsu you know and when train, you know. when i see someone message me like that they're training jiu-jitsu because of me or that i've you can't eat cookies or brownies.

41:23 So it was a lot of sacrifice, you know, I think so. different continent now so who knows do you have any if you had any injuries that are you know Just training with basically hobbyists. they give you more better and better training. That's literally my training. Then there's always a what if. another thing that's really unusual about you It just naturally happens.

45:03 Nothing crazy, but I've done crazy cuts also. every night. I have a pizza oven in my house and I roll out the dough, make everything. And then Right. Day of competition, I'll change my diet, and I'll eat a piece of bread and, like, a little honey. Chicken or meat or anything like that? Like I feel like most energy, like cleaner. Yeah, a lot of people have said, oh, that's so catabolic, right?

49:03 I'm happy. body just burns all the fat on it right so you're basically eating for like one hour i guess yeah Interesting. Or was this something that you'd seen other friends do? I would just drink caffeine. My grandma taught me how to make pizza. pizza dough from like whole foods or like trader joe's and i'll start with that though but then i'm really particular with the cheeses and like i go to like three different supermarkets for like

52:13 Oh, my God. Nothing? But right now, just light air training. It's called Cavita for olive oil. it, you don't feel as bloated. In America, I think. skinny eating like that does this company sell pizza dough as well no they don't i'm getting my But yeah, it's just regular pizza real benefit to intermittent fasting and there's definitely some real benefit to

55:37 That's mostly how I do it. ribeye that's dried but it's not like beef jerky it's got like Yeah. So it definitely helps. I just feel like it's way faster and more impact, like the intensity of it. So it's 40% decrease in heart attacks, strokes, cancer, everything across the board, everything. It's not tolerable. Like long cardio, like base level, like, you know, structure cardio is like very important to have like this very strong base of cardio where, you know, you always are going to recover quicker.

59:48 Yeah. Wow. Well, it's just you have the ability to just suffer. Yeah. have a float tank. Have you ever done that? You should climb in it. So it just doesn't feel like you're connected to gravity. Yeah. What are you at right now? So I don't know to stop training. active recovery of like jogging i remember reading something that if you run at like 130 and you keep your heart rate at 130, it restores your nervous system.

1:04:32 That kind of makes sense, right? Yeah, that's what I've noticed. Like that always makes me able to train more. like, uh, my friend Bert did, uh, put a heart rate monitor on himself, uh, in the sauna is when I'm in there, like my friend Bert did put a heart rate monitor on you're cooking your throat. I was over-exhausting myself. in IBGTF, you have to fight right

1:06:49 with using no energy Like I won worlds or you have to weigh in right before competition. And I weighed in if you would tap or blackout quicker like if you got caught a triangle or i made weight like with zero problem like i was, pasta, and acai like two days before making 125. Consume as many calories as you want during that time. sort of analyze what's going on with your body while this is happening.

1:10:04 like always cortisol affected me with losing weight, um, from not being It makes it harder to lose weight. Always cortisol affected I think it's also like a great example of how much people vary in their nutritional needs. to eat anything except pasta. so is it because i ate that for so many years as I really don't. I don't, and this is what he does, so I'll do that.

1:12:32 What have you done? them. Have you done them under nutritionist supervision? Yes. And this was like while Come on. They kicked you out? pasta bowls has someone ever had? your max has been, Yeah. That's probably what's really crazy, right? You're walking in there 135 Yeah. Yeah. Big fat guy goes It's the best. it's fantastic it's one of the best ways to eat yeah it really is no limits the best but some

1:15:36 everyone rather has to pay the same amount. So for performance it doesn't help you. I'll have a little more meat or seafood. Do you throw seafood on the pasta or seafood on the pizza? I eat regular pizza, but I also But it's got cheese and tomato sauce like normal, right? That's my favorite pizza. Try it sometime Right The other day very repeatable yeah and when do you find a difference if you go to a restaurant do you feel

1:18:54 100% because if you're suffering, you can't sustain it. other techniques that you go to techniques. That sort of systematic way of analyzing things and then being able to express that to other people, that seems to be very important to you. how did you figure that out but it's just because i understand how the body works and manipulating Do you feel that this is one of the things that I felt from martial arts myself,

1:21:26 And I was like, what the fuck is going on? He's like, dude, it's teaching. Teaching just you got so much better what the fuck happened he's like dude it's teaching teaching just got me so much better everything just got sharper Also, like not holding on when he's about to get reversed I actually got stronger in training So do you feel, though, that all of your muscles that you use in jiu-jitsu,

1:23:23 Oh, I'll try it. Caffeine for me helps me focus more. This has green tea extract in it, yeah. Because you like guarana. It also gives you a little jazz. so the guarana is what makes it sweet? It's so good. It doesn't matter. And you've been doing it this way for how long? It's working. Enjoyment's so important for me. Yeah. Yeah. If I was not enjoying my food, I'm miserable. And

1:27:10 So we have to enjoy what we're doing. love it because I hate it so really I love pushing myself to do things that make me uncomfortable Yeah, so if you have a match like that out to do oh totally i'll then do the other moves I was getting nervous. based on the position or just in general, based on the position that he was doing footlock. His fulcrum was so small and I was able to-

1:30:14 So that's one of my best moves. It was such an honor to fight with you. fucked his leg up with a heel hook. It's wild. Props to Imanari. popular. So I know that So he goes one round with a Muay Thai and then one round MMA rules, takes him down, strangles him. where you have one round MMA, one round full Muay Thai rules, one round back to MMA. So by September 30th, you're going to be good to go with your appendix issue and all that jazz?

1:34:15 So you ran 10 miles? His name is. How many weight classes for jiu-jitsu? They're so talented and so young. Yeah. And that's what's going to make people that don't know what Jiu-Jitsu is, like Muay Thai, kickboxing, able to appreciate Jiu-Jitsu. The fact that they did that. making it exciting. Right. I remember when my match with Iman minari like muay thai people kickboxing people that don't

1:37:24 and points involved for just positions. is not that high in those formats. Where you're going to see, like, larger crowds and then integrate it into, like, MMA cards like this? Like I started training in 96 and there was tournaments as like a professional Like it's kind of crazy. Yeah's so crazy you know and um all my old jujitsu friends all had to go to mma back in the day because there was no money in jujitsu so they had to go to mma

1:40:05 people avoid yeah like if you pull guard guys will get on top of you yeah and then if you are to see guys who have this one position down to just such a science. Right. So I feel like if I take someone down, I have to do one extra step. They're like, oh, if there were punches thrown. combat jiu-jitsu yeah and you see that from from eddie bravo's uh invention like what happens with

1:42:39 And as you're struggling, Like, oh, if I'm holding you, boom. You were telling me about this. This is nuts. Like tell me the story about your COVID experience there. So I go hiking in Gold Strike. friend that had covet in my garage we both had it so we just stayed together and just trained We got over that time, you know. I wonder if you guys had But you were saying that that area is very unusual.

1:46:07 the fresh air but after that hike i felt so much better so maybe it was coincidence but maybe That was Huberman said that alpha-lipoic acid has some positive benefits. Yeah. healthy that wound up getting COVID really bad, they tried to keep working out. Like Hamzat. Hamzat Shumayev. Spitting up blood. a lot higher i guess as athletes yeah so we think okay we're okay we're just under the weather let's

1:49:02 So for more than a month he had covid and he You're probably beaten up. And had you been training that whole time up until that point? Right now, at this time in my life, it is, you know, it's my passion, lives there yeah so um I would climb a lot for fun hiking climbing physical things um I love Parker and he explained some of the feelings with competing to me when I was a kid. Was he a sports

1:52:00 Yeah. don't have to be like a tough guy like a big tough guy yeah I always like I show people that you don't have to be like a tough guy, like a big tough guy. He's so technical and so smart. and that when you see a guy like yourself that is at this very, very high level I love it because I get to sit down there and watch people like yourself just be physically really strong by lifting a lot of weights. And then they use that. Another person

1:55:23 noticed all of them train a little differently yeah none of them exactly the same so that shows you how everyone is individual in Isn't it crazy that that's when he reached his peak? and you won't really be able to practice any offense. And making the room, everyone improve in the room. And I rolled with this guy who was my size who just manhandled me.

1:57:42 up call you got to feel his level yes Yes, I got to feel his level. technique so much of it is timing and movement and so much of it is if you're if you have a really Do you think you're going to keep doing this, like, another 10 years? Well, at any point I could go to law school. That's boring. They feel comforted. There's people training like 80 years old.

2:00:23 He started when he was 58 years old. He's working his way there. So it's exciting when people, like, they do it later in life, You really do. It's cool. with one championship for what he's doing to jiu-jitsu and um that's why i'm in singapore M-I-K-E-Y and then M-U-S-U-M-E-C-I. And so the Who's number one matches That September There's just so many

2:02:50 It was an honor to be on your show, sir. Bye.