Joe Rogan Experience #10128 — Kamaru Usman Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience That's, like, negligent. Well, I don't know because I'm not them. then, you know, yeah some fighters you could just you could see back in the day like hey this is not normal right last year i saw you you didn't look like that right and yeah so i think yeah back in the day The fact that they didn't think that through Oh, it's probably more plates, more dates.

3:25 about it and and making up this whole theory and it kind of it kind of hurt my feelings a little So I'm like, fuck, that's not a regular. You know I have this right here. I don't know what they are I try to scratch them and they bleed. I got a body now. So he burns them and then he goes hey I go to school and back to the school don't do anything, they're going to fall off on their own.

6:52 So then this fucking guy who I'm like, There's a lot of guys like me just walking around. Everybody did not get the same deck of cards. Everything. No, I think the first Covington fight was probably the sweetest. that i actually made it in here so i think um that Covent and Fire was probably the first one was probably the sweetest. He goes after past relationships.

10:07 like, Can't be good. All negative too. When you talk so much shit and you're so mean and nasty and then you lose, people get so happy. Khabib went from like maybe two to three million followers to like 12 overnight when he was on top of him Michael Johnson, he did that too. think it was stephen a smith was talking about one like accidental loss I forget how he put it to Michael Johnson.

12:25 second there. And maybe the only guy to ever do it. The weird thing about Michael Johnson is he It might not be all the things that he should be training but my gloves to train he loves a spar and so I just I And, you know, I'm trying to fake it. He starts slow. Now we're three minutes in. And we're still going. That was the only time I've ever been sat down.

15:41 Rashad was a man. Rashad was traveling, doing shows, commentating, He was gone for like three weeks I cannot wrestle him. but I had the hardest time waking Rashad up in the morning. and so i would drive us to the gym you know i'm a little bro i take care of the house when he's So I'm smiling. This is when he was at 205. hit his hands and you know he's moving with me move with me

18:50 I know I could always get him there. And I'm just like, fuck. He drove. This day we didn't get lunch. professional loss as well as when i got submitted i didn't have the knowledge because i wasn't doing you're this you're that to where i didn't get into it for all of that i was never i was never Now you're on defense. I don't care. As long as you worry about that next fight

23:04 Like, it's hard to argue that situation because And so to say, oh yeah, that guy's the GOAT, If you go back and watch basketball in 1993, it's pretty similar to basketball today. And now you have a whole roster filled with people like that. There's so much knowledge that's accumulated in the minds of the athletes now, look at Gilbert and you look at Colby and you look at Masvidal, you look at all these guys that you've paced,

26:18 I saw that wild that yeah and some of the questions you'd ask, too, was wild. I'm like, damn. That's what it was like. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. and bang with you the whole time until he does knock you out and i watch these guys try i'm like I'm like, what the f? It's funny to me. The average person. Holy shit. you know,

30:42 you see their stuff. Create go out of their way to create a whole page with because when I was knocked out Like you got knocked out, you got this, you got, It made you laugh? i was dreading talking about this but uh not in a bad way, but it's funny to me. Well, my not-so-good knee, but both of them aren't the greatest. So we get done, and he takes it back, and I'm just chilling

34:36 have him in a spot to where i'm just like i never think okay yeah i've got the fight one let me just Like even in the Masvidal fight, like everyone, oh, the knockout just happened. we're moving and I'm trying to set him up and I'm trying to get his feet moving. set up all right which I really didn't I shake left I shake right and I'm sitting in the ambulance

36:35 I talked to Trevor. Which was it was I about, and I was laughing hysterically in the hospital I'm like, I answer, I'm five, you know, that one fucked with me. I couldn't defend myself But in my head, I said, shit, I don't know what I'm doing down there if I go down there anyways. Yeah, of course. And there's a video. you know and he put me out. he didn't rock me to where I sat down and I was, you know, buzzed. He just stung you and you had to catch yourself.

40:35 That's the thing I love. getting that prepared for battle. It was a great it was a great one and the instructions and I and I tried that based on the instructions that I got from Trevor them like lose some of their their focus like they kind of get taken out of their game because things You start to, you know, the anxiety starts to build you know and

43:29 this mindset is this something that have you managed this is this have you written things You know, that feels great to me. you should be more upset. Oh, you're not disappointed. You're not hurt. No. And For me, I'm not one of those, oh, you kind of execute. So that that I would say maybe might be a little irritation Everything. When I was in a hospital

46:56 he set me up good that shit was beautiful And she cried. And then when my daughter was crying, Fuck no No. or I don't want to do that this week. That's why she can watch my fights. No. My daughter wants to be sweet. to this mental state that I want to be in to go to war. And I don't want to make her feel weird for being affectionate. So the fight is over

51:58 I get home and I'm home for like two, three days But now with this fight, the way it ended, Because very rarely do I have a break. hours just i watched the fight like three times in a row over and over and over and then Leon gave me a 20-minute nap and I was back. few weeks just a few weeks yeah but you know i'm already you know thinking about what i can do

54:53 But you don't see it when you're fighting. Are they getting worse? about 45 minutes to warm up and i try to be religiously diligent in that, in knowing that I have to get that in. It wasn't, but that's because it wasn't part of the culture. Yeah. when you'd be able to compete again? there yeah no i think um for me personally, everyone's like, is he ever going to be the same again?

57:51 Like right now, I wanted to train last week. anyways, is I don't, I try not to take punishment to take punishment you know i i try to use my brain Well, that's where the money is, too. representing the work that I put in. All these things that I sacrificed. to eat you know i in my i'm living in my head and i'm going through this experience and maybe that

1:00:55 know I'm sure he's having a blast you know now seeing where we all are in life Yeah, it's perfect. I mean, it's going to be epic because it was such a shocking result. i'm gonna take that trip this is i mean it's it just lines up like i've i've that's the thing is Then head now to be a part of potentially headlining a stadium show in England which is, big shout-out to Salt Lake City.

1:03:54 I live in Colorado. Yeah, it was intimate. And not the result I wanted, but. Well, you got a great attitude about it, I'll tell you that, yeah. I'm hoping they enjoyed the show. And not the result I wanted, but... to where i wasn't even i didn't even think about the guys anymore you know they were it was always for it, you know, and it's and then regular life when it ends is really hard for people to adjust.

1:06:50 Some people find something cool to do, and they find a crazy hobby that they really enjoy, and day out with incremental improvements and and then you have these moments and then boom you land to kind of branch out and learn different ways and get into which that I've been screwed over a couple of times. I've been, you know, I've been God a few times, Joe.

1:10:01 know me and Rashad I meet with some advisors and i'm thinking about That's part of the problem. What did she do? I lost everything I wanted to reach out to you and blah blah blah Oh, which leads me to the next one. And the friend's like, hey, he has this restaurant that already has like five six locations in canada doing well blah blah blah and and i just happened to go to canada maybe

1:13:10 fucking listen to it and and he he he's like okay i'm coming down i want to basically do the same and sold it someone to like three or four I don't like these people down here in South Florida. They put your scammers, you know Yeah, oh, he's but who knows how many people he's done that to I mean he's cuz he's got And then now he's saying he didn't get money from us.

1:16:00 I don't know can you sue him yeah we're i think we're we're in the process of of trying to do that but it's a rare opportunity to rebuild to work myself up and show her that look it's not the end of the Was this post-Poirier fight when he broke his leg Maybe that guy Bro you got a flat tire Yeah It's a unique place. and South Florida, sale you know whether it's it's whether it's physical mental emotional financial They're almost talking to you like salespeople. Yeah. Everything is a sale.

1:20:07 and just everything you're like huh? I got some Bitcoin. It's ridiculous to me. And I'm like, what? I guess the idea is Get in early and then if it is very Watts of virtual reality. Like, what does it even mean? Yeah, what is, like... If it's a virtual real estate, It's weird the things that we as humans put value on. They were like $1,100. So I buy it, and he buys it, and I give it to her.

1:23:43 And I'm like, you don't want to wear them to school because you don't want to mess them up. And instantly I caught myself. I'm like, Iir, did you wear your shoes to school? And I instantly, I caught myself. And I'm like i'm like okay I don't think waiting to be picked up. to another girl little girl and she goes um my friend i forget her name my friend loves my shoes

1:25:38 and she doesn't care what those shoes are. and eddie alvarez we talked about had a conversation about this and i was just like wow so crazy how I can't. but I'm fucking 35. And you're going to be exhausted, and so you should act your age. So if you get to some people and they're like 70 years old and like act your age like why should he yeah? do you have a bed here you don't have a bed here no i'd probably sleep here if i did yeah i would

1:29:13 If you're an athlete, if you're a person who works out all the time, sauna and a cold plunge. has so much more resilience. what is wrong everything feels weird i i that's exactly how i felt and i did it was one i would just build what I was talking about, a lot earlier in camp. At Rose and Pat, we did that one. are the real ones though that's where you get the real work so like some people brag about the the

1:31:37 but it's moving. And I go in hands too. Yeah, I got to get out quick. more that's where i start pushing the limits of what i can do and and yeah trevor's trevor's been watch me train, then he'll I'm like, okay, let me just hit it once. The fact that the UFC and him haven't come to some sort of an agreement doesn't make any sense to me. And he was like, man, his mind's always going, how can I create something that's better for your hands,

1:34:55 But then when someone else adopts it and starts using it, it's like, oh, yeah, It's the best anybody that I give it to like we had one at the old studio I mean, and his bag gloves and his sparring gloves, the Velcro ones. I wanted to start hitting the bag because I wanted to. And I was like, that's not normal. tendon right here that that folds the hand finger up and down split in two this way so when i have

1:37:57 You take it. I don't know if anything is 100%. is that they're very, very rarely 100%. the doctors say yeah i don't recommend you to fight something has definitely been wrong every did it limit my mobility maybe but who cares i'm the biggest thing for me is i'm That's painful. Yeah, I've tried that. And I think think when i fought when i didn't fight actually the most muscular i

1:42:05 I did 13 pounds in two hours. I was what are you doing to get 13 pounds off in two hours? Do some time in the sauna, come out, go back in, come out. You know, it's actually dying protocol that you follow rehydration oh yeah it's um and I've done it every Oh, yeah. time I get here it's it's it's my body just it's just an autopilot it knows Do you think it's ever possible to eliminate weight cutting?

1:46:05 it would be the best right and if someone came along and said i got an idea how about you pretend I think it makes me angry that we haven't come up with a solution. cutting before he fights is he no how big is he i know he's big he was over 220. what yeah over That's a four-day process. Yeah, Mutante. At one point, he got to 170. I was just like, holy God, that's right, he did. Jesus Christ, look at the abs on that motherfucker. Damn. At one point, he got to 170.

1:48:19 Yeah, 100%. I know. of this guy who's here, and then he teleports to here, and then he's kneeing you in the Hits him with the right hand. Look at the size difference. create more weight class opportunities for these people look at how he did this it's just his You're getting suplexed and arm barred on the way down. The timing on that is just pristine.

1:51:23 But it's still, the fights that he had in the UFC, I think they're... Because UFC Whatever. It was wild how you'd watch him move. power in his hand for a guy that size I'm like this guy could probably touch DJ and then I just Oh, yeah. Like, what did she, I mean, she wrote something apologizing about it, but, like, why did she fight like that? what she's thinking i mean she's she's such a she's so talented i mean she can do anything

1:54:52 I mean, if it ends now, it sucks that it ends on that fight. But I think they already announced that Carla's fighting. The second fight was a very good fight. fast so fast i love we forget that yoana went on a run when she was just defending defending Those weight classes are getting deeper and deeper. Did you see those two little girls? It was that wild one

1:58:06 But when you're just dominating, people don't want to watch that. Why does Israel get flagged? huge 185 fought Wonderboy, that he fought him wrong. If you want to fight the right way, you fight the way Tyron did, Just keep it that way. It's just the casuals man. It's the people that don't understand the actual Absolutely. And sometimes it's exciting, like the Polo Costa fight.

2:00:29 don't open yourself up just because the other guy's not doing anything or turn into a brawl bro, you're the fucking champion. But the dark Kermit, the gangster in me was like, people would be surprised you say you like Covington. After all those. and what he brings to the table, He created that kind of character He was always doing that to guys. Yeah, he came to the comedy store one night.

2:03:31 crazy shit yeah and that's what he did for me though the the difference is is i mean he's a I mean, look, Sugar Sean O'Malley is a wild guy to watch fight. Puts all this content online. That guy's a fucking killer, and nobody's talking about him. Sean Brady. Jeff Neal's back. That was big, man. Vicente's like a brother to me too i and it's watching that was just that one was really tough

2:06:13 and it seemed like he kind of lost his focus. he called someone out right that fight for the title. and dc got into it they were going back and forth because i think dc i think he called for the But now that, you know, you are the champion, he wants another crack at the bell. You can't really say shit to that. And Masvidal is one of those guys that's so close.

2:08:40 There it is. I was the first one to get the new one. Yeah, that's exactly how I felt. What is this new thing exactly how i felt but now i look at the new They're all rubies. And sometimes two guys I like. Khabib and Michael Johnson well that was a tough one Okay. he makes it easy it makes it easier for khabib to say no first of all i don't think he gets down to 155 ever again really no he's so big right now he's big he's a light heavyweight no way in hell

2:11:37 You know, you hold it down for so long. he had a health scare like something health scare and it's it's he has good days and bad days what So I'm praying for him, and I hope he gets better. Did you see the tooth fly? And his big ass would wear 14-ounce gloves, too, at sparring. he knocked out gustafsson yep oh my god yeah in sweden in sweden which you know we love to do that

2:14:16 It's almost like a new thing now for me to get excited about. I really do. I would think there's more West Africans than there are that he should have been getting. He should have had a parade. Yeah, I would have thought he had a parade. But, you know, to do something that he's, to do what he's done, what he just did, to come from where he's come from and stay in England.

2:16:24 You know, I would, that's kudos to him. And what he stands for, you know, that victory because he's, now he's intertwined with the inner city and helping kids and, you know, stay out of the gang life and things of that nature. That's a great attitude. Like, what is, there's no logical other fight for you. I think they just try to make the most amount of money.

2:18:00 For the title. I'm going over there, bitches. Let's go. I know Dana said we're looking at all options here. Yeah. I think he did. Bisping versus Henderson, too, I think he won the title yeah Bro, that was prime time. Bro. Yeah, the shuffle and moving back and forth. Yeah. He was another guy. See? That was prime, Anderson. And then quite a few people have done it since then.

2:22:02 Those close-ups of him and Frankie while the foot is on the face. You know, fucking miserable people all fucked up. Yeah. Funny haters. Oh, it's happening. they're really good scary good well I think with MMA's the highs are so high It's because you can't even respond to it. Yeah Yeah I'm waiting for my moment. And I didn't even... they had the video of me just sleeping him.

2:26:12 How we set him up and he didn't even see it based on how I set him up. I'll be ready. I'm going to get it shot up. there no for sure stem cells for sure i'm gonna do stem cells again um definitely just try to How long do you think? Why did you want to go all the way to light heavyweight just because Israel's at 85? Yeah, Israel's at 85 they're not great they're not great. They're scary.

2:30:05 now so you win the world title I think Hamza and Nate Diaz It's a bizarre fight. Okay, you want that? Yeah, I... masvidal that now that fight i could get behind more than maybe even the nate fight masvidal Most people have said before the Leon fight that if it wasn't for you, he would be the champion of the world. But look at the pace that he put on.

2:32:43 It's like a genetic thing. You know, but the running is the ultimate cardio? Maybe when you're done fighting, they'll give you some new knees. And you said your mom did and my mom did. I did not know that. These new knees are wild. but I mean, I think also biologics are going to advance to a point Yeah. Yeah. It's like you handle you're a champion in victory just like you're a champion in defeat.

2:35:55 All right.