Joe Rogan Experience #10129 — Gordon Ryan & Mo Jassim Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! And for people who don't know what ADCCCC is Abu Dhabi Combat Club when was What's the matter? But was he recorded before? 100%. He just goes by the name of Ben. sort of like what the UFC did. i made a transition to nogi when what year did you make the transition so i started in 2011 so 2014 Yeah. And then they just, like, after the EBI with Gio, where he lost to Gio, he just, like, we didn't see him anymore after that.

4:17 I, like, can't lift my – I can't do, like, anything overhead. and then i just like end up sitting like this the whole class my fucking head's like leaning forward I think he's 40. That's really for the hardcore people that want to see. a submission but um you have to you have to be better at jiu-jitsu than the other guy there's no They try to win the round by sprinting in the last 30 seconds and really going hard or, you know, trying to figure out a way to manage your time.

7:25 I mean, they would be brutal. I think it just seemed long because it was so crazy. erickson there's a weird sound do you hear that what is that jamie what that? What is that, Jamie? What? That sound. What sound? Maybe it's just my headset. Jeez, that's my longest match. Yeah, how we're in 45 minutes. Yeah, how'd that end that he hooked him? It was also so chaotic.

9:26 I remember. That's what got me into jiu-jitsu. every you know everybody wanted to be like Bruce Lee, I was actually thinking about this recently. Right. He, like, threw all his body weight back. Yeah. Like, yeah, that just doesn't make any sense. So he took out three of the biggest guys That was the one year he protested. I remember. Like, just so he's got his cock out and be like,

13:37 Like, that's like a goon move. every ADCC. Yeah, that was wild because I was there with Eddie when Eddie was competing, when Eddie beat Hoyler. And then it's like Shallon just got put to sleep, But there's an article, some people believe it's Marcelo. wins. He's got and then he's just been doing super fights since 2013. could elevate him and he's really small hands. So he's like, once he takes your back, there's,

16:17 I'm like, what are you doing? Like, I think, like, All he does is eat pasta and pizza. You get results in doing those incredibly Yeah. So Abu Dhabi, this is an enormous event, right? You had GSP, Diego Sanchez, Gilbert Melendez, Jake Shields. It was a big success. than we had in 2019 and we sold every single premium ticket in the first day. Yeah. I get into arguments about it all the time. I'm like, listen,

19:47 because he talks so much shit like you don't think that's a smart move the best He really loves it. It's part of the fun. You talk so much shit. But it's media. Yeah. The flip side to that, though, is it puts a tremendous amount of pressure. I think Hodger's best winning streak was 20 matches or something like that. I think it's 57 since 2018. There's levels to your commitment.

23:14 People ask me what makes Gordon so good. No. class and then he would teach like 3 4 5 6 7 8 p.m privates seven days a week and then like we get up Like, the people that can, like, sit down and do the work day in, day out, they lap everybody else. Most Black Belt ADCC world champions train three, four times a week. work. You know, come in, they train hard, they get a good sweat, they're sore, but the mental work is

26:16 So does John just analyze? And you don't really see a lot of it in ADCC because of the fact that no one even really knows it exists. just don't stop moving until you get to a score and it just completely changed Like, we're podcasting right now. a big smile on your face or when you write down on a piece of paper they're going to submit Wagner Rocha with a triangle and then you go and do it.

29:09 And I think he gets a lot of satisfaction from building athletes warmup, three techniques, and then you roll for 30 minutes. So me and John would actually hang out No one else does that. bowls, dishes, utensils. So he's got, like, some furniture. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, you want to hook up your TV and He's like, okay, I'll consider it. They're pretending to be this stoic master who's just selfless and dedicated to the advancement of their students.

32:08 Now this ADCC, how will people be able to watch it? A lot of people like to bash Flow, but, you know, I've been following the sport for 22 years, Is that what happened? Did you hear about that story? read in pretty good sources, he's in a nightclub. Some guy comes and removes a bottle off his table. That's a guy who's probably killed a few too many people.

34:23 Nothing. devastating for Felipe. And I'm like, no. limit match. We should also explain That's how the whole match came because he was competing against some guy who won the Brazilian trials. limit now. I'm like, I'll give you four to He's like, okay, fine, 10 to one. Like, fucking figure it out. because he's like i'm not gonna fight i'm not gonna fight and doors are about to open so flow

37:23 And I'm like, yep, he's done. Like just like traumatized. And then like two minutes later, okay, He's like, I for if you guys meet at ADCC. You select. The crazy thing is this. it's just insane. Someone will definitely Now they're making – the only thing they're making fun of now is my hairline. That's all they can make fun of? That's hilarious. Felipe three and oh, he won that match.

40:39 My issue with that whole thing, that whole Felipe Gordon match was, So then they did this, they had like this, I was not willing to change anything in the contract, from fucking Felipe's Instagram I'm like no I'm like that's where you fucking got your I'm like He's very good. This is not what happened. We were supposed to do a, you know, for ADCC 2022, we were supposed to do like a pre-match show together.

44:01 Yeah, but that sucks if you get bad information from someone's Instagram But Felipe is like notorious for doing shit like this. And there's so many people in the sport and there's so little money that everyone's just willing to fucking backstab one another for fucking $10. Wouldn't you say, hey, I mean, not everybody. I mean, it's not— It's like you must train seven days a week.

46:07 how to be successful like but you are different are like, eh. much and they just want to protect their that i was like i can't okay i'm like i'm like oh i'm already gonna be there for the weekend like It really pertains to you and your success. and they do this for like a couple years and they come back Insane amounts of numbers and reps. Yeah. So, like, they'll teach seminars just to survive,

49:13 When we started doing podcasts in 2009, I told all these comedians, listen to it and they're like yeah but I got to do stand up and there's not go get like a guy who like you give him advice you're like okay I'll do that and And you just got to go, okay, you could be better. You have a very limited window of your career. That's part of it too. Another thing that no one talks about to my success is that I have the financial freedom to just focus only on training.

52:04 So I don't have to do the seminars if I don't want to. Is it possible to travel and still get that training in? A lot of times guys travel, and they teach a seminar, They're probably going to try to injure you or go super hard. who could go on seminar tours, There's only so many seminars you can teach in a year. It's not like I have to be there to teach a seminar for 200 people.

54:37 Oh, yeah. left behind and the new generation's beating them. like very technical approach spreading, you know, So we have North America, South America, Brazil, Europe, and Asia. Well, the thing is it all comes down to technology. So you're really going to get someone in Brazil that's going to spend 20,000 reais, It's like if you took two islands and you put nerds on one

57:52 So ultimately technology is going to prevail. there's a new kid from Brazil. For me, I think he's going to be the second biggest superstar My mind was blown. And they're all behind Mika. So his dad is producing. And Brazil is a little weird. It's very rare where all of Brazil will come and support an athlete. too is all the Brazilians who are super successful all moved to America. So most of the Brazilian

1:00:06 That's really interesting. Lachlan Giles. but they have to learn that part of the game. Because I've seen the progression in the North American trials massively over the last four years. maybe even 10 years, more Brazilian champions than any other country per ADCC. But I think as the sport grows in popularity, Because the main hole, one of the big, the two major holes of the last decade in jiu-jitsu has been leg locks, which is now starting, the gap's

1:03:01 I'll be honest with you. So 2019, me and my team, realistically, you know, no one trains it it so i need to get the this dude is just going to make his opponent look like he's never trained before. like they don't they don't know what they're doing um but most guys are boring like you see It's like, oh. Let me show my friend who's never trained. from amateur to going a little bit more mainstream you have to be exciting you have to market

1:06:36 and there's this American kid, Colabate. Yeah, I agree with that. They have a very unique ability to hit dark strangles from anywhere. manage pacing better than anybody, better than almost anybody. So that's one thing. You can't make contact. exploit those holes, you can beat them. You've seen Craig exploited some of their holes in their Were you surprised by that? I was very

1:09:20 and uh then it just got too tight and he had a tap. And I was like, wow, that was not what I expected at all. I watch it and I'm just like, don't just mess around. time was on all the steroids yeah he was like literally so big he's the most Those are in the rules. Yeah, this is it. How bad was his knee after this? So he has a heel-hook grip, which means that David can't turn back

1:12:09 No, Avalon said he didn't tap. Oh, that seems like he tapped. Oh, we want to do it again? It's so sad. And, like, the weekend after, I had to go out and fight him. He's extremely flexible, too. a few guys figured out his game. And so he actually entered into leg lock positions, Is he? He's boxing people now. But now he's a super jacked heavyweight.

1:14:42 That's even grosser. It's weird because you really should. Yeah. I mean, some people's more than others, just in regular boxing. And in the Yeah. You know, it'll fuck you up. He throws punches like this, too. And then you have this swollen fucking mass He broke both his hands. but it's very weak in comparison to a kick. They're smart marketing. Nice combination, too. She hit this girl with

1:18:11 knuckle boxer flashes the crowd. easy to get up if you have a cage yeah someone presses you up against the cage Very nice. Yeah. Fresh bear scratches. Every hundred miles. So they're doing it Which is pretty crazy. surprised that no one has come up with a bare-knuckle MMA organization used to be We did jiu-jitsu together. And he was in town. I saw some video of him in a grappling tournament strangling some people.

1:21:16 the pads. Yeah, he's got a good social media Just hitting the ball? Yeah. I was so nauseous. taking oral antibiotics and it just wiped out everything in my stomach, like all the good bacteria, everything. country and they're just useless like they just oh we'll do an endoscopy i had one guy do a Like, I couldn't even, like, hold the the conversation I was so nauseous all the time um and then uh we were

1:24:41 And then like imagine you go to training and like now picture you have the worst hangover you've ever had. why you're emptying slowly and it's mimicking gastroparesis. So he did a bunch of tests that I can do shit. And then your immune system is trying to fix that. it's like a cycle where you just keep getting staff and keep fucking up your immune system

1:26:58 And for anybody who's never taken antibiotics and tried to work out, it just drains you. You have nothing. Do you use defense soap? But I'll try defense soap because like there was point where if I was on the mats and I didn't use Hibiclens, I was guaranteed to get staph. It's the only soap I use. So you don't get it like before. And they have wipes.

1:28:56 So. And it's just a combination of like over-the-counter stuff to help me. medicine. The first success I had was when you introduced me to Brigham with the ways to well. now their stuff makes me more hungry and I can actually eat food now. So everything's How much longer do you have to be on all this medication? It's just like overall stuff to like help promote digestion

1:32:06 Because I had stomach problems too. I go to this guy. I don't know what the exact name was, but I went to Mauritius, which is a very tropical island. And still dominating everybody. Lucas Barboza because i was so nauseous it's like a lot of stuff you see me do like isn't tactically correct but First is contingent upon John coaching. So, you know, John is a major part of this, so I won't do it at him.

1:34:48 now. It's like, no. My peak is going to mostly around isometric tension. And my entire game already isn't a movement-based sport. But in jiu-jitsu, it's a sport built mostly around isometric tension. diminish with the cardio but between 35 and 40 is when i'll cardio after 40 you start to diminish with the cardio but guys like you, people And amazing him

1:36:35 and almost ever in his life. Just so smart the way he went to you guys. So he's like a perfect fit. Right. So now this ADCC is going to blow everything out of the water. Yeah. Like last weekend, I think they had 5,000 or 6,000 competitors, Yeah. And then if I want to compete, then I'll do a match here and there. I've seen him with my own eyes. John Jock only has one hand.

1:39:51 Yeah. position and if i can get to half guard and i can feed a lapel and use a stronger crossface i can But at least you could trick them into competing with you for a little while. Got to train in the gi to be good at no gi. It's a fucking, there's a wall. I always thought that combat samba was so strange, So you think by the time you're 40, then you'll be done.

1:42:26 But I think that it is possible to bridge the gap into a spectator sport. you can't just be a competitor um like for most people um you know now if i'm competing i can be like i'm the first He's like, sauna, cold plunge, heat shock proteins. And I sat in it for like five minutes and I got out And I'm like, okay, so I'll try a real one, I guess. terrible um but then i felt really good after and And so now I do them like five times a week probably.

1:45:17 Yeah. And I couldn't warm up for the rest of the day. And one of the guys who's here filming uh for future kimonos one Like two and a half hours later, And he comes out. But you can go cold to hot? minutes. He's got it at 36. So when you get in the blue cube, you're like, Jesus, what the fuck is this? so I started like moving around and I was like oh I'm gonna sit still down

1:48:21 It's fucking hilarious. She's like, oh, oh, my fuck. She gets in. and she's on the floor in the blanket, shivering. i gave it to him in $100 bills too. Do you first thing in the morning or post-training? rough. 185? Yeah. which we barely fit in because we're all huge. I was doing 25 for a while, So I'll do like 20 minutes in the sauna, and then I'll do three minutes in the cold plunge,

1:52:09 My body is so shocked. out and gone. And so it's so fucking hot. Like you don't get a chance to like completely cool down. watch and I see, like, I'm only at the benefits for your immune system and you don't use it? I've never used it once. And my girlfriend just did, what, two minutes yesterday. So for taxes, you have to spend like 51% of your time there or something like that?

1:54:25 because they wouldn't let you train in New York. Like, the government's going to come in and tell you you're not allowed to train. Yeah, people, speech experts would have told you that. end of discussion. If you talk to virologists, they'll tell you, you cannot contain a respiratory Yeah. I got a ticket for not wearing a mask outdoors. I'm going to give you a ticket for not wearing something that doesn't even work.

1:56:49 the chances you get bacterial the entire organization down to Puerto Rico was just, I love that you did it, but it was I went to a shopping center. Island time, you know? So island time is real. It was just impossible. You know what I'm saying? help us and just was literally impossible to do any sort of business john was going to strangle gonna work here then i was like here i like did the i did the show with rogan i talked to him for

1:59:57 Where are they going to go? You have to It takes an hour to take my kids to Disneyland. You're not getting out of there. No, it becomes all these fucks. To Terry Black's I knew it was your truck you guys need anything? I eat it every single time There's just so much good shit to see Kill Tony tonight. but the only thing but we're recreating I'll definitely be stopping by all the time.

2:02:31 It's a great room. I was in the comedy store one time. And he finally stops the bit. LA's filled with these fucking virtue signaling douchebags. That's just crazy. Yeah, the dark humor just kills me every time. David Lucas is here. so every Tuesday Eddie Murphy's Delirious Like we made it If you just spend all your time complaining about shit, you feel like you're getting something done.

2:05:17 so that they have a target, Because then people watch and they go, what the fuck are you complaining about? You just get bigger. But those were silly people that worked there. When I grew up, if you didn't like something, No one's a loser. Meanwhile, you're ready to turn on the next person. These are not normal, healthy, I did it a long time ago. Yeah.

2:08:17 those people are taking, the amount of anxiety and mental illness those people have, it's not It just makes no sense. Because people are crazy. You have a real problem. And if you do do it, It's not a microaggression at the office. And that's what's great. Yeah, you couldn't rationalize it at all. And it was like, wow. martial arts experience oh my god it's like literally playing with a child yeah like you

2:11:21 I remember that. Sort of. if Hoyce was his champion but the at Abu Dhabi at 45, right? Gordon, you're the fucking man.