Joe Rogan Experience #1013 — Cameron Hanes Transcript

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0:00 What? Jed already chimed in. You know, I think people throw around epic a little loosely. The mountains up there were just, the scenery was just stunning. Normally, it seems like by this time, I've never heard them called quakies until this past weekend. Everywhere we look, it was just like, there was too many moments with elk that I couldn't when we talk about how amazing it is to do this.

2:22 Time? Yeah. Well, it's a short film, and it's really like almost like a mini documentary of how you're trying to balance your life and training and running and competing in these ultra marathons and then also It's one of those things that I really think our words, like people will be intrigued by the words, And they're just bugling, and we call it screaming because it's just like echoing.

4:15 We heard the one bull that I wound up killing that sounded like Jurassic Park. I said does? And we were like, where is this bull? And he was just letting everybody know. Oh, it did. I'm tired of being number 31. meow, that bill. So he decided it's too much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. rough numbers but let that one go they're fighting for everything they got, you know, and it's, you know, we did see bulls fighting.

8:02 He had stab marks from fighting. everything goes haywire. Yeah. Yeah. And I'd said, told Mark and the guy said, if you're an elk hunter, this is as good as it gets. The ranch where we were at, they were really smart in how they managed the wildlife. That's past its prime and that's past its breeding prime. So that's when you want to take it out. some of those? I know the Rocky Mountain Elk Federation does that. Is it a Rocky Mountain

11:49 People that are like us did it. I would have had a bow. elk into areas where they had been extirpated. So I think, in fact, here's a gratuitous crotch shot. Ducks are limited, yeah. So that they actually have to hire people to kill them in some places where they get Jersey where they're in the suburban areas. I was watching a television show about it.

14:36 Yeah. with deer yeah i'm sure and 150 people die every year in car accidents wasn't there a guy that Whoa. God. This is one of those subjects where whenever we're talking about hunting, meat yeah i god you know i i'm i'm a sucker i read the comments on social media and it's like Check that dude's Instagram for a cheeseburger. just like it seems weird for people to think that oh i'm i'm evolved past that and i'm smarter more

18:13 Nobody wants to be vicious. in the wild in the wild that animal's going to die either by freezing to death or being torn a hunter and what I the term I like to use is being merciful I want to be ethical quick and merciful when I kill an animal because that's 100% the opposite of how nature works well it doesn't. You can do whatever you want to do. But the reason why human beings

20:42 i mean i've been running a lot since we did that Keep Hammering 5K last year. I can keep up. Yeah. Whereas before it was like a huge struggle because every day we were doing 10, that in this room, that shelter in this city, this complex series of buildings that we've just killing, I wouldn't bow hunt But with a bow, I just know how difficult it is.

22:54 experience and it's not easy. And the, the improvements you've made in four years, and it's started in bow hunting and part of me is going oh my god i want you to but it's a long journey it is Because it could happen. It's that hard. Because I've killed before and had success for all these in there. Always. That's what I do. I make sure we have, my family has meat to eat. So when they go to the

25:32 Yeah, I give away a lot of it. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. He's killed then? Yeah, he's got a few deer. Oh, okay. He's like, yeah, you say you do, but do you really? You're wrong. nutritious and healthy things that you can put in truth and making documentaries that have no in the game. They're not, like, from the meat High carbohydrate diets, bad for you. Getting too fat, bad for you. Drinking a lot of alcohol,

29:10 And, you know, there is factory farming, which people, I feel like almost, I've been guilty of it maybe, beef production, there's a lot of places that do it. People who do eat meat. We've gotten into this crazy situation as human beings where we're getting food that is, Yeah, there was not much to it yeah and but i think tenderloins of uh of the bull i killed you know and smelled it made sure the meat always just

32:53 yeah and that's a weird place that we've gotten into as human beings hunters are judged negatively But you know what it is, too? an elk steak and you kill it and you're banned from Under Armour. You're a terrible person. You're a trophy hunter. You're out there And meanwhile, that's what's so back ass words about it. Yeah. other point of view. I always try to look at it from what people that I think are good people

36:29 I practice every day. magnified the success is magnified because it's so hard the failure is magnified because it hurts bull and I don't know how big he was he's pretty big for there you know 320 330 which is a scoring they take antlers and the guts and neck and all the time so they heal up like they're they're than back in the day. You just, you know, it'd just be like, Hey, I killed this bull. That's it.

40:12 I don't think it's possible. it a sport makes it seem like you know keeping score well to me it's a lot like I felt great. And then I crash. And the alarm goes off at 5 o'clock in the morning. critical moments of life and death like when i was drawing back on that bull and i'm looking at this The intensity is insane. Yeah. again so boring next anytime i see a guy with the baseball hat on so i almost didn't wear a hat

44:20 I think mostly... Or most positive. See, that's what I do for a living. You mean it a little bit, I wanted to touch on this. our friend, you'd think oh he hunted three states and he killed a five-point bull wow that was you know He did it on his Instagram story. gun looks like it's 200 years old I don't think it's just out of focus oh it's kind of than it looks

47:24 I don't want to shoot her but I have no mind in life either In a moment like that, she keeps standing up. I know you'd do whatever you could. And he's surviving. And that is, that is difficult. And like I said, you question why you're doing it. And people would We would go back to the lodge, and it was, you know, you and me and our buddy Ben O'Brien was there and was lots of laughs and we were having a good time.

50:24 When you camp, you wake up, you're in the woods you stay in the woods when you camp you wake up you're in the woods you're it's a more immersive experience who he is. But, uh, you know, it's, it's, I know I've done seminars before and I've asked people, Right. So most people, they don Tree and a few other folks. Right. I think he loved it. I think we spend entirely too much time in cities, entirely too much time indoors in buildings and artificial lighting and all that stuff.

53:19 hear a coyote howl and you see an Eagle fly overhead and you know you hear an elk bugle you you just it's what yeah i keep saying powerful i don't know it's a good word i use it all the time but hashtag everybody knows you're a loser you're a loser yeah isn't that amazing yeah i mean it's a there's a If you can't do any of that stuff, well, you're lower.

56:17 about target panic and about closed loop It's when you're looking at a 900 pound forest horse with spears growing out of its head The failure and the feeling of failure is the real motivator. And sometimes the thing doesn't work out and then you feel like fucking terrible. Yeah. Because when you would run up the top of a fucking hill, about it is it's it's crazy that bow hunting has done what it's done I've been on joe rogan nine times jamie is this the ninth time nine times and you know i

59:58 It was like, where we elk hunted is where I feel like I've had to work my whole life to get to. You had the whole different journey. But we're the same there. But that also sort of really clearly defines why this rained down this is the same sort of thing. It's an amazing adventure. Guess what? But you've worked your ass off. and he's like 20 years old.

1:03:19 courage some of it is putting your ass out there some of it is trying things They're just in there grinding, you know, and that's, that's fucking so important in And so those are the people that drive me crazy because everything you just said is so true You worked your ass off. And you're like, Oh, let's see how this works out for you. You're running a marathon a day for people that don't know.

1:05:31 No, no, no. to discipline to drive to focus to obsession there's levels to it and if Meanwhile, it's 238. You're like, oh, I did it. I haven't been. She is. as you can keeping hydrated keeping fueled up that's just uh the name of the game you know what made it so michelin makes these these same soles for the Under Armour shoes. going on i mean the utah country was tough it was high it was steep there's lots

1:09:33 They're great. probably is somebody who can because they're 20 some years old and they feel great and they're Because you need it for, you also need strength for hunting. There was a time where all I was doing was running 20 miles a day, not lifting, hardly eating. So now I feel like what I do now, this is a small shirt so it's like don't don't be But it's just unusual for someone who's an endurance athlete

1:11:48 cam literally you make your body eat itself to drop down you were at 180 plus The key with those is more efficient? Is that why it's better to be six foot and really skinny? He's a freak. I i mean that guy's so inspiring There's levels. Yeah. He's intense. You just had your cursor. They said he had to lose something like 100 or 80 pounds in just a number of months, and he did.

1:14:40 24-hour pull-up. for a total of 4.6 pull-ups per set, See if you can get to a video, because there's a video of him doing it, and it's just savage. And I've been doing that for a while now. That's the only way to get strong. then, you know, they're, they're going to push their body quite a bit more than I am. Yeah. And that's where people get hurt.

1:17:58 And what you're trying to accomplish. Yeah, I've never talked to anybody about training. There's guys that train. Last year, he was on pace to break it. went again went ahead i was ahead of course record pace and an ultra marathon term or maybe a running What's the actual record? Maybe that's not the... Yeah, and so to get lean for those shows Oh, no strength, no endurance because no carbs.

1:21:34 I don't do any of that. But one of the more interesting things that Rob does is he will eat the same thing as his wife. What is it? it was four months ago maybe or tim ferris's podcast with dom de augustino is also an excellent And yeah, you'd bow hunt awesome in it. And so we did just a few quick calculations. diet that people get wrong is that your ketogenic diet is primarily fats. And then you have an

1:25:10 ready for 200 mile race yeah so it's i'm trying to figure it out as i go so you don't talk to much more magnified than what i hear yeah you know like if i hear whiny stuff from my seven-year-old But she's seven. Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug. I pretty much don't listen to anybody except people who I know share my mindset about not just on running or whatever, just about on life.

1:27:54 We don't really even, we just kind of do our own thing. awesome pole vaulter and at South Eugene high School. He was the first athlete inducted into their Hall of Fame. He goes, yeah, he was a legend around here because they went to high school together and now they've been coaching. he would he could high jump six four doing the western roll and they said well we're going to

1:30:23 You know, if you just want to say just in high school, that's fine. I think it's just grinding and putting in miles and training and then getting where everybody else wants to quit and pushing through in the races. No one. How long have they been doing ultra marathons? The Tevas cup. And so it's, it's the same course with the same goal is cover a hundred miles and under 24

1:32:40 And that's where Western States Endurance Race or run began. long way wow for being so he's almost 70 i think he's over 70 now wow yeah but anyway so he started Wow. And even running down still difficult So you got to, even though you could go fast downhill, her thing is 200 200s of the or wait 200s of the new 100 or whatever. But anyway, the next level is 200 mile race.

1:35:36 The Moab 238 is what it should be called. Antarctic ice marathon? That'd be fun. So it's all about a new challenge. that on a whim right i mean you're prepared you do a hundred mile on a whim recently yeah god that just to get you over the hump? Were you thinking, like, this will, like, get me over the hump, and that'll be good back-to-back. I was at 61 miles.

1:38:53 So 12 hours isn't 24. these reasons. And I was thinking, I was running, thinking of all these excuses I could say, and And didn't you run 13 miles the next day? How does that make sense? The Tour des Gants. Yeah. I'm good at pain management or ignoring pain. Well, now it's a time of should I do it or should I just think my training's in the bank wouldn't know nobody knows but that's in their ways or people tell whether or not they're

1:43:15 managed to build yourself up to a marathon yeah and i did uh under armor had a marathon ultra at Mount Bachelor in July and I didn't like July 20 something so it was about a month after able to do that. And maybe I'm, I'm not being realistic about it because there could be, Amazing. Looked good on paper. What's with the negative self-doubt talk? If you're not used to eating that type of meat it can affect your stomach because it's it's so

1:46:33 Sounds good. of elk. So you need when i'm eating you know those elk are amazing animals powerful strong endurance. Um, you know, everything I would like to be as far as, Huh. You don't really get a lot of sleep, do you? because i'm like captain cut ties and burn the Bridge and fucking throw kerosene on the house, light it on fire, drive away. So I always feel like I should appreciate having a good job.

1:49:14 And so I think you're enduring this job. Yeah. I miss problem solving and helping people, you know, achieve goals. yeah if it wasn't for steve ranella i would have never got started in hunting if it wasn't for you there's there's a lot of opportunity like that and this country is amazing for that it's one of the and a bow and arrow and some guts. And just go out there and you could handle it.

1:51:19 We're all public landowners. and look at all these basins and mountains and you could go online and ask people and there's ways to And then maybe someone can talk about shot placement. No, it's on CameronHaines.com. I can't remember what we used to call it, but 600 or 700 people would show up at the bow rack in the parking lot, a big tent. cases of books because those are all going to be gone when i get home do you have a time machine

1:54:47 couple bulls in the back country their public land it's a pretty easy tag to draw you can get uh Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. He had a frustrating elk hunt. He said he talked about he mentions me or something like that. he's doing you know over the counter but montana is one of the best places in the world where you wasn't he seal for 17 years yeah i mean so just savage stud just uh a great guy too you know and

1:58:07 Any other questions? He said something. That's amazing. easy to listen to he's a very smart dude so that's him out there with his bow yeah just uh and he He was talking about like one time he went with an outfitter and he just hadn't been practicing enough. He felt like he was fine. And he's just fucking missing. Yeah. He was talking about like one time he went with an outfitter and he just hadn't been practicing enough.

2:00:01 And he got back on track and then the next day he killed. was times that it was kind of, it was exhausting for sure. And there was times it can be kind of Right. Because you get a TV show that's 21 minutes. hours and hours of hiking and and the disappointment the fucking wind got us god damn it like we were Of a hill yeah, you can't move you just go to state and they're just looking right at you for them

2:03:40 obviously but a lot of snow was awesome yeah one day we got hammered with snow there and mark womack um who sub sevens his company he was filming me and he looks over and And that's on, like you said, a wild animal that only cares about staying alive essentially. And for the bull breeding, but that is, uh, that was an experience. I got so close that I was like,

2:05:37 and I felt it on the back of my neck. And it was in the snow. that bull's dead. so good um they they do they manage it for trophy animals and uh some places in new mexico of animals? They just do some sort of a survey, find out how many of their animals are. And also year and a half right so that's where the herd protects them elk are herd animals they look out

2:09:20 And so they were able to track him and see what he did. Right. like I said, okay, like they have to be on point 24-7 with something that's faster than them. they found a dead bull with a giant mountain lion clinging to its neck. That's not. Yeah. So they're basically just managing the population. And some people say, well, their numbers will drop down on their own.

2:12:31 Yeah. they find pets in their body they find And it's a lot of money, especially when you're talking about something like grizzly bears. a lot of different people there camera you don't have to be generalizing the fine probably if they do you know it's so so i think this was a little different up there with the bears i don't think Or the skull. But it's something that people, you know, like if you're eating the animal, that is also a part of the animal.

2:16:05 to shoot an elephant, just take the tusks and let the meat rot. A lot of people think that's means we're both stupid what is that? 6,250,000 whatever dollars. Then they have to hire people to go out and kill these bears. i think that's black bear no one of the guys that was on um uh grizzly uh the gritty bowman podcast have a tag. I mean, I buy a tag in Oregon every year. I've seen about,

2:19:35 Right. Well, first of all, you've got to control, again, the population of predators because nothing else does. lion last year for the first time he's had it before but he's never had it his own he said it and that's what they should be used as, and dogs shouldn't work. about in the podcast where he was Oh, okay. It's about predator management with Bart Lancaster.

2:22:25 in the area let them know that bears are near and also keep the bears away because the bears hear I understand the sentiment. Yeah. I've never heard wolves howl. But that doesn't mean that they don't need to be managed. We've always hunted. whether it's the guides or whether it's the people that are I mean, there's no like, you can't just pull up the social security

2:25:33 Well, that's another important thing that Adam found out. But he even put a photo up of online, he did online searches for that mountain range in It's incredibly difficult to get real world numbers on these animals. They have Starbucks in BC, right? based on the actual environment that these animals live in. Excursions into the forest to really understand what you're talking about what you're dealing with so to make those decisions

2:28:41 protested they get like the delisting of wolves an area where they're starting to that they see as a bad guy in a movie. God, so retarded. You see it in the movie. Sometimes a hot girl is smart. They're exceptional human beings. i don't know what it was but they had the girl on there said there's they showed these bow hunters You talk to people in Africa, they want lions dead because lions kill their friends.

2:32:00 new york times yeah that it said in zimbabwe, we do not cry for lions. Right. Well, people don't understand. But you know how much of it goes to the community if you don't have hunters? Right. Nobody likes to hear that. So they have cows. They're entirely shaped by movies and by television shows. pulled her out of the car, and killed her in front of everybody.

2:35:03 It's nature's killing machine. It's the reason why we're not that you don't have to hack your way through a river of and people do care more about where their food comes from, It's an amazing, relaxing thing because to release a perfect arrow and have it hit that bullseye is so difficult and involves so many different things that you have to manage and control that in doing that, it sort of cleanses your mind.

2:36:30 So our hunt was done and we were still, you, me, and Jed were having a great time just shooting arrows and having fun. think it's important for almost every really difficult, nuanced subject is you have to discuss all the aspects Oh, there's the bear in the zoo. Hi bear. Yeah, this is not what they really are Yeah. I mean, it was thrilling. Right. So be like, maybe I just didn't get it.

2:39:43 And you're reaching. So this has allowed us to reach people who maybe aren't on the team. experiencing this wild thing. And it gives them like this itch. Cause I can remember before I you're mostly getting it from New Zealand in fact yeah which is really weird You're getting a lot of New Zealand elk. So when I would think about it for the longest time, I was getting little fragments of information from these television shows.

2:42:12 They're stuck with that image. And I get there just in enough time to where the flames are burning them and they're clawing at the windows they that's the kind of stuff people post on my photos today because I We appreciate somebody who's there for you because you've been down. Hunters won't do that. Hunters are, I don't know, they're doing is just trying to hurt your feelings and make you feel like shit. But that's what I'm saying. Hunters won't do that.

2:44:33 they would be amazing at it. And I think that when you're talking about the character of those You're not seeing them. Exactly. of them. Yeah, but we won't do that. Well, it's not something, they're not doing anything that we that we leave on this world and in my eyes there's no more sustainable way of living than supporting And it is number one in conservation by a fucking long shot.

2:47:35 Gun and ammo taxes result in $1.1 billion for wildlife and conservation each year. and contribute to animals. The byproduct of what we do is conservation. No, we've never fought, oh, that's too expensive. But you're also a hunter because people before you were conservationists and they made sure that the hunting was protected. Yeah. Okay. mean it's just there's animals dying for your coffee yeah there's animals dying for everything

2:51:36 And I'm not saying you shouldn't eat wheat. That's not helping anybody. hunting trip is i had no idea what what um people were attacking donald trump for for about a week Well, listen, brother. Thank you. All right, fuckers.