Joe Rogan Experience #10137 — Jorge Masvidal Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. a fucking pleasure always a pleasure to see you too man bro i've been a fan of yours since back in the day when i saw you fought a bow dog bow dog yeah so you fought eve edwards on bow dog yes i up into that stuff. you think you know it all that's it bro you fucked up you know so I've always had that mentality went right into my thumb and his thumb went right into my eye and i was throwing up immediately like

2:38 You kind of don't need the surgery. No, but I've torn like numerous ligaments and tendons on the hand, you know. But it's nothing that I can't work through. and I've talked to a lot of other athletes that did do like the meniscus since the stem so i got like a full range of motion back on my knees you know that's beautiful to those uh other countries whether it's panama or col Colombia, or they do it in Tijuana now, too, it's like they can do shit that you can't do in America.

5:19 I haven't done them because you know how you saw it is with us, but I've heard about the IV stem cells as well. They're a very strict diet for like, I had to, once to once i turned like 25 26 i had to have like proper notice like nine weeks notice to get And it was like a month before the fight, I'd be hurting people in sparring. was a strength level difference at me at 170 but i knew i could hurt those guys when i touch them

7:19 You know, when you're young, you get away with it, always. believe he ever weighed 185 yeah he's so fucking big it's a giant advantage but i wonder how long for me to give him a fucking left hook to the jaw Woo! And forever, the road has been my home, so I've always felt comfortable. know it's all going to be like like if i'm going to sparring but a little bit more added chips to

10:06 It'll sell a lot. you know and it might have been because he just took this fight too early i always think that Well, Leon was also super confident coming into that fight. And he knocked him out. How long after the Kamaru fight did you take off? fucking rip usman's fucking brains out you know nothing personal i just want to get back in there and then all of a sudden he's the dude that that knocks me out. And I had five rounds with him.

12:54 I always respect anybody who has two hands and two feet, I try to check hook him, but it's too late already. Oh, and I'm coming strong, man. And for me to think Usman's the one that knocked me out, that i'm there like right after my fight i'm gonna go he's gonna have a conference down and I think for me, I have, like, a lot of bad habits that I had from, like, growing up, you know,

15:10 And I beat everybody's ass in that room. something maybe was holding me back i've been able to get to like the next level so it's uh i just got to change my whole lifestyle not just before the fight but year round you know and those The coach is always going to check my name. laughing about this. That's what he does. Yeah. And since young, since I want to say like 17

17:35 Nowadays I get like my five cycles of an hour and a half at least minimum. Yeah, it's good that you're aware of that. of sleep what you need to sleep when you die i used to be like a common thing and everybody around and john was talking to dc at the press conference he was like i beat you when i was doing coke He's watching film every day, all day long.

19:53 like uh segments like tonight i saw somebody for like two hours and i'll just keep that in my brain because I want to focus on me and my strength as well. Whoa, you look good. You know, that's a question that I got the answer to. and then after that go with so-and-so and so-and-so, Oh, this guy could wrestle. just get the worst end of the of the sessions it's time for me to hang it up i don't need to go in a

22:28 And, I mean, it's going to happen to all of us, you know. A little bit different. Oh, my God. A lot of shit gets going. Yeah, no one expected that when they first saw him fight like Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Carlson Gracie The Americans are a lot harder than a lot of these other countries that they can't even get into, you know. Well, the worst shit is like you, you hear stuff from, like, Volkanovski.

24:57 They came on a Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday between 5.15 and, like, 6.30 in the morning to my fucking house. You get caught with something. there had been a while where they they were just coming in at a regular time like i'd get to the The fact that they did that to fighters to make sure they're not cheating, Make it 60. them before they get an IV.

27:43 figure out a way where fighters fight at their natural, to a lot of these guys. What's the heaviest you got? understand it i mean i know they do that with college wrestling i know they do hydration tests Kind of bitch-ass. I think he's super fucking talented. But it's mostly left hook. Very unusual. I mean. Oh, yeah. Do you think Wonderboy's mean? But once he gets in there, he's hyper competitive.

30:59 He's like, let's just stand up. he talked about that left leg getting compromised the calf kicks oh you know i mean pahira landed He'd throw like a left hook, pop. It's horrible. Yeah, and your leg is so much bigger so much more muscle you could you could take the hit Fucked. And you're always calling. It's big, but in, like, kickboxing and Muay Thai, it wasn't like a...

33:31 I'm trying to figure out why. guard you know I mean I love all combat sports there's no comparison. MMA is where it's at. Who's your favorite Thai fighter? tank but you know sancha is just light on his feet everything's shuffling and moving quick They might be, like, a little looser, And I've seen a dude to, like, great boxers, great kickboxers, great Thai guys.

35:52 the side and jumping round hacks kicks that dude in the face where he like did the taekwondo i mean And he's fighting guys way bigger than him all the time. It's really kind of amazing that none of the young guys are emulating him then got brought into MMA at that age with a great camp. the high kick and completely get behind you and then you see him flare guys and those are the

38:16 to butcher it but he's olympic gold medalist in boxing and he's like a three-time lumpini champion That guy smashed his ankle so bad they had to fuse his ankle, and like you can't blame him man am i gonna the next kick is gonna snap up so for somebody to at Stanford I think That same kind of break. that one amazing ko where he's fighting that tall white dude, and the guy catches him in the first round, drops him,

40:36 that's it, it's over. You know what? And look how composed Tyrone Stasier is. Is he? would love to get him on my promotion against some some of these big boxes that we've been talking Yeah, and it's Roy Jones Jr. Who you got in that one? I'm very interested in Jones versus Pettis. eubanks he was training alongside him like he's in pretty damn good shape better shape that i've

43:59 Oh, yeah. He's got the character, bro. Brad Pitt? I loved seeing him in the crowd the other night. Because his wife and his child were outside waiting for him. but donald likes to do shit that's scary as fuck that's what he likes to do and he It's like to be 20, 30, 100 feet under the water. Yeah. of other guys. Kind of like Conor Mayweather, those first like four rounds.

47:06 Floyd was like, oh, okay. One of the, not always in his career. Oh my god, he little that was was like his coming out party for the masses. I think it should be the first couple rounds somewhat competitive, then you look at how good canelo's head movement got after that fight when he realized it. maybe in my generation, He fucking just destroyed. And the way that he beat Cotto,

49:38 I just always wish that the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight Unfortunately for us, man. Like Shane Mosley, you know, when he got to Shane and stuff like that. he came back was that combination He was a treat to watch. I've seen some of the videos of him getting YouTubers and shit It's funny because you think, like, my hands are good. And you're like, oh, no.

51:39 just by submitting to your craft Sometimes I bust out this watch. But then on top of that, he continues to make money even after he's semi-retired. So he's got to keep that money flowing in. It's kind of fun to watch. Yeah, he's a character I was like, fuck bro, this guy's scary. But he's tiny. There's no reason why they just like doesn't drink, doesn't smoke.

54:39 out doing something that's everything and that's like Bernard Hopkins to same remember when he fought Tito Trinidad and everybody was counting him out and It was crazy. And I believe at that time, he was like, a lot of people were thinking he was done. Yeah. like I remember watching him when he was just a middleweight champion Yeah. you saw the difference

57:00 in my opinion, But he would throw a left hook instead of a jab that that guy was a fucking mutant bro yeah during his prime i think he's the greatest i think he's Because those reflexes are just out of this fucking world. But then I think Then Tarver caught him and knocked him out. then glenn johnson knocked him out after that and he was just never the same

59:14 That's like a perfect example. that he's still doing it. And the last thing to leave a man is his power. all this boxing experience but youth as we know is youth you know you can pull off anything with So it's, you know, it's interesting. 350 million followers. And, you know, you ever seen his left arm? That's James Toney. and Roy just no no no the Vinny Pazienza fight was a rout like Vinny had no business being in there with he never fought Vinny twice. He only fought Vinny once. He fucked Vinny up. The Vinny-Pazienza fight was a rout.

1:02:23 Boom. The constant mind games is also what takes him to the next level, I think. I never forgot. with the PFL? over Roy Jones, everybody's going to be calling his fucking name. and use the things that he's naturally gifted with, it was just like man he was on fire he was so fast Yeah, it was half all dos Anjos. Hafele just manhandled them He's moving to Texas.

1:05:55 Yeah, protect yourself at all times. has to be like one or two steps away and you could have it in your house you don't need like Yeah, I'm with the gun before they had that law here. I got a concealed carry permit now L.A. is a little scary, man. COVID and the governor. Exactly. know because the guys that the people that they'll be all right is like me and you because i could

1:08:30 that are real no cash bails it's crazy it's crazy there was some I forget I think it was California to get out of jail easy if something happens. I mean, these guys are shooting people and they're out of jail in a day. That's insane, bro. and you fucking let him go, bro? Because the evidence is pretty clear. him for paying a girl to stop talking about them having sex i thought that was a good deal

1:10:00 The one dude that's fighting for us, that's actually for the people, they want to crucify him? He was never an impressive guy. bro, how are you going to say this is not real? If that was Trump, if that was Trump and Donald Trump Jr. was doing street crack with hookers in vietnam and getting foot jobs you'd be like and getting That's what they say when a war from the other side happens.

1:11:58 Someone's getting rich. They don't. the state you're gonna raise them and if you kill them i'm gonna put you in jail for 20 years if you kill one of these cows they're gonna put tags on all of What's going on with the banks? You've been paying attention a little bit, right? Hey, I just want to send you a message. You're going to tell me that? He's like, no, of course I wouldn't. I'm like, no, you me a favor. Would you tell me if it wasn't good, though? You're going to tell me that?

1:14:18 It's scary because I think a lot of these banks, moron like me, but someone's only got legitimate And then how many billions of dollars did they give to, millions, not billions, did they give to Democratic Party? and he was donating money from the people that it put the money into that This is nothing but fraud. a corner store would use. just, there's nine of them living in a house and they're

1:17:07 They've got to make a movie on these fucking girls. and that's what people don't talk about. know that's what's wild there's people that knew money they understood money the whole thing, and they dumped shitloads of money into that exchange. It's, it doesn't even that? You know who Tim Dillon is? Yeah. that are fucking each other who are we to judge maybe she had like a golden snatch must have 10

1:19:54 i could get a real for 36 billion dollars you know the that i could get It's a fun time to be a comedian. She's talking to the kindergartners, of course. Because, you know, if Biden dies, which is very possible. I think he would have died he would have died This was different though. There's a lot of stairs. Oh, it's Biden. But someone, for sure. Like, don't do that.

1:23:24 His pupils, his eyes just don't seem like regular either when he's like talking and stuff it's turmoil it's it's a it's a time that could lead to america so like he always uh would tell me sorry about that. No worries. All my friends that have family that has come from a communist country, Shout out to Joey, bro. Nobody actually lived there. there kaepernick or any of these fucks advocating for socialism, communism, you know.

1:26:12 Get the fuck out of here with that, bro. and everybody lives in poverty. And that's just for them, you know. kong all this Small government. They don't understand that the people that do have money, You won't be able to. You will stand in line. Fuck yeah, we could be better. But I've been all over the world just as as i'm sure you travel the world 20 times over me and i truly feel in my heart this is the greatest country i'm i'm

1:29:51 You got naps incorporated into your day? remember bernard hopkins would talk about it a lot like where he would just do the basics for a very But it's not always like that. Grappling has never come to me like that. I'm just trying to focus on making this guillotine more efficient Are you monitoring your heart rate to make sure you're not overtraining?

1:32:32 And then, you know, a lot of times I'm just like, mind over matter. gonna find it and then i'm fighting just in case i wake up not feeling the best who gives a fuck i But combat sports is like this special weird fucking thing. it was constant running for me. then before i know it i did these five miles and those things led me to believe we're always gonna have

1:34:53 Whenever I'm around him, man, I'm like, he's an extraordinary human being. bone but at least now it's flat so he he doesn't like put all the weight on one side of his knee That's because the edema in his legs. dude that like he's like a dispensary for mental strength like you hear him talk and all of a sudden I'm the one that's competing. while to get there man to become like like a refined shout out to Dan Lambert

1:38:23 he's not he's not like your typical dude man he's a fucking But once that camp is up eight weeks out, those guys are throwing heaters to see where they're at, you know? Well, it's an incredible camp. Yurisov, too, the Bellator champion. No, no, no. You know, Douglas Lima. Douglas Lima. Ooh, that motherfucker's leg kicks are out of this world. there that are so good yeah they're so good and so fun to watch you know uh douglas lima

1:40:30 It would have paid for sure. they just let him go. It takes a lot of attrition literally hugging guys to death you know so my perspective was i'm fascinated to see who he can Let's just show Jorge has papers. Any chance they get. ways but i saw that in uh celebration on twitter i saw that he was very uh like you know witty and Literally short circuit.

1:43:32 Don't worry. Couldn't fucking, you know, keep it together. That was one of the greatest knockouts in the history of the sport without a doubt And then I counted his ass out. And one of the greatest ever. over again it's so it's so wild to see like it's like when connor knocked out jose aldo you ever on like dialed right in that touch of death he's got these big ass hands

1:46:53 I mean, crazy. I heard he would have the massive weight cuts, too, at 45. That motherfucker looks like he's on death's door. But at 1455 he's so was Yoel. Yoel Romero This dude was like this fucking Roy Jones Jr. type cloth. I remember he had just started, and, you know, so we'd always trade techniques. It was amazing. Literally. And I've landed the knee a couple times in Japan and hurt guys

1:50:31 And fucking his first UFC fight does it. You're done. It was a good fight. Forgive me if you've heard this, folks. And they go, no, no, no, you don't understand. Like he's just an athletic freak. with Izzy, I think. He hit Izzy in the first round is he kept like touching it because he truly is and at different weights. A hundred percent. He's trying to fucking outdo you.

1:53:17 I mean, that's how they make people the way they are. And he still looks fucking great. He's fighting in Bellator now, right? Boom! And the way that Weidman stuffs it, he knows if he does it again, and these elite, elite wrestlers coming in at an early age. He's so good already on the ground. Because that's a very studious guy too he obviously the wrestling is

1:55:26 Like, a guy fights on the pay-per-view, his first fight in the UFC. if you take it down you know and it's just like i was always fascinated by striking so i grew up I'll jump into American Top Team with the best guys that we have there. so efficient it's just a completely different kind of ability to to push and to drain people Now your snap, your electricity, everything slows down just a bit, man.

1:57:44 it's always been grapp like the matt he's range gsp it's always been Now you're fucking down. Where I need to always put in my time and effort, and I've always done that is wrestling and wrestling defensive you know well you've Just like I'm about to do to Leon's bitch ass, is right man for a long time I I didn't want to fight I had a lot of things outside of the ring

2:00:02 And eight months ago, I i mean you can see pictures man if I'm gonna sell xyz pay-per-views not on my guarantee, but I'm like, man, if I'm going to sell XYZ pay-per-views, fuck, bro, I want to get paid, you know? So it wasn't like a total loss, but it was already like, fuck, bro, did I do the wrong thing? well while i'm in colombia i get the call and say hey we're gonna have the first live event

2:02:35 the circle and maybe i shouldn't be and it's just getting like worse and um i always thank god man And now I feel like it's all been paying off, you know. Who knows, you know, Dana says a lot of things. He does say a lot of things I would imagine he would want to be there. not friends i was fucking his everything he's mental i was already in strike force i had

2:04:39 So he had, like, nowhere to fucking live. if it wasn't for jorge i wouldn't be here and this and that and then you know um i'm at 155 because my striking coach, this is when we cut ties, me and him, accessible at all times, he will drive fucking neck and my coach was like, don't it bro you you'll fight him and that way that's how you'll get him and this and that and then i would use that because me and you had a falling out it really

2:07:16 It worked, though. Just fucking go out there and beat dudes up and say what you got to say, so until we fight again nobody will get to see that better version of me but i promise you joe Especially if this— I want to fight guys that are a little bit more favorable for my style while I work on my wrestling. college wrestling there's a lot of little chinks and mistake my mind is not weak i i might get beat

2:10:38 tired they're good at putting themselves at bad spots and scoring and also um not to like fucking in like certain departments it's not to make an excuse it's the truth because a fight is a fight but there's other places that still consider one hand downed opponent. You see it in a lot of other places. He's more efficient there, yes. It's like, that's a, I mean, if we're looking at it as the art of fighting, and this is

2:12:42 That's like, don't do that because of the vulnerability. But there's other positions where like don't do that because of the vulnerability. It would even out the playing field a lot and overnight. Then he goes limp. I don't understand why it's not legal. Back of the head. It causes more action. because you realize you can't just lie flat on your back.

2:14:47 They would have to do something to get out of that position. legal, like the sidekick to the knee, I mean, the side many things. There's so many vulnerabilities. There's so many things that are legal, And then other guys, they wouldn't. second one really yeah yeah you know gilbert said something like referee called my attention That was the worst one I ever saw.

2:16:45 favorite performances. in love with Muay Thai. He came back with They would just fight. They take the back, the rear naked. and taped and and padded but your elbows aren't yeah your shins aren't your knees aren't crazy You know, because the kick is a fucking kick, man. guys get cut up left and right. four or five shows already. Yeah, we got some highlights

2:19:21 Yeah, so I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, take away this additional variable because there's a variable when your back is up against a cage and someone's pressed you here. yeah there's poles on your way there yeah freaking uh yeah where the advertisements are another Frank Shamrock like Chuck Norris Yeah That's Boss Rutten's thing I think he's a part of it

2:21:24 He's always a long time wrestlers you know yeah well boss came into mma at a time where there weren't strikers like him yet. He was the most elite striker at his fucking, ah, that Dutch kickboxing Badr Hari. There's a lot of good Thai guys as well. Woo, that motherfucker. Muay Thai I feel like is more marketable you get like elite Joe Schilling type strikers and have like Glory did.

2:24:02 I think it could be as big as pro boxing. to anybody and everybody. I mean, and you see these guys, and you see how 1FC is doing it. and you know when he was in glory when he was a glory champion i mean my god you just don't don't It's so accessible, so obvious to watch. Have some elite, elite fighters over here million-dollar paychecks That was a Michael Kropka

2:26:06 Yeah. all the time. It was like, fight the best. Like, I watched paint dry all fucking day when it came to that shit. You've seen all the tape. This is crazy with the Bob Sapp fights, right? Yeah. shit out of him on the ground i think he was already loopy by the time he got up but still kickboxing and kickboxing makes more sense to me it's like it fits in it's easy to watch but is it any more easy than kickboxing and kickboxing

2:29:12 why Muay Thai hasn't become more famous in America. another round's gonna be everything involved yeah i fucking lose my mind and hats off to mighty I think Mighty Mouse was running through everybody. Yes, bro. And what a nice guy. Like when I do a checklist, right? Never. Ray Borg does a different one, but that one's pretty fucking extraordinary, too.

2:31:36 Nope. But 35 gets a lot sehuda versus mighty mouse yes some of the better ones and the second fight you know it was close that featherweight division. Well, for us, because we were like hardcores, maybe like Cejudo versus Mighty Mouse. it to Mighty Mouse like the more olympic gold medalist in wrestling you're probably not fantastic striker you know yeah i don't i

2:33:00 hold on, then who knows, right? The power. Just smashing those legs. You got Chido Vera this weekend. Great calf kicks, too right right down the street too I was like, holy fucking shit. What's going on there? Yeah. eight takedown yeah never stopped and he's just going for them he's punching kicking punching competing as an elite fighter and now that he's you know at the top of the heap and he's in line

2:36:28 and he said he's never met a dude who's more meticulous about his training You got to rank Cejudo up there on MMA Mount Rushmore, bro. right yeah here i remember you know i i watch all the fighters like the latin fighters actually like Like, it's 12,000 fucking feet of nothing up there. good style i think for volkanovski the range the speed the kicks the wildness weird elbows you know creativity and he's long and he's like i've worked out

2:39:05 Yeah. He's such a good dude, too. When he fucked Calvin Cater, and he's talking shit the whole time. I wouldn't be surprised if that guy gets a title later on down the road, bro. The gas tank, Mike. Yair is the most dynamic kicker in the sport. When he beat Josh with a triangle off of his back, I was like, God damn. I've worked out with a lot of great grapplers

2:41:03 He's crazy long for the weight And the Volkanovski fight is wild and i'm the volkanovski That's what a fight is. because of the damage alone yeah like it's a fucking fight it's not it's not a grappling Yes. It's 100% stalling. So this would be two in MMA. And Pereira's like a fucking Terminator, bro. Gonna fuck you up, bro. Yeah, right out of the Amazon.

2:44:02 This is who I am. He brought his title to his indigenous reservation back to Brazil. To fight with a busted eardrum because he was bleeding out his fucking eardrum yeah so one of the worst Yeah. Like, you can't take that away. your legs it's gonna be interesting to see because you could see in the ground he's not efficient Yeah, and Whittaker could wrestle defensively, offensively.

2:46:26 Doesn't matter what discipline they're in. That's when the whole world came to find out. Yeah, and it was, like, kind of weird, you know. It's not to diss on those guys or anything. But, you know, like everybody, man, you want to say I'm the number one without question and doubt. wouldn't let anybody come over here and then the UFC oh He just would not stop.

2:48:32 When he knocked out Noguera. Crow Cop were trash maybe it was Saturday Yeah, some good times. Yeah. We've got to sell this. And see if that works Rest in peace Started going up paramount and then it just went away i mean i don't know what it is now i mean i think paramount That's what's amazing. No. how they can get that. She's from Chicago, not too far away, competing on the card as well.

2:52:40 brother thank you thank you very much god bless you god bless you too brother you're fucking let me say just one thing i love that you always speak up for this country and