Joe Rogan Experience #10142 — Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. This is fucking awesome. He had a bucket of like a thing to piss in. I lived in my first storefront academy in East Meadow, my hometown. What? Because I was going to fight BJ Penn at Mohegan Sun. This is where I stay. All in. So, I mean, I know what it's like to live in the car. Team Thomas got a lot of jobs these days. I don't think about money, but the way to not think about money is to make enough so you don't have to think about it.

2:47 Yeah. He actually fought because I remember you saying because we both thought he beat BJ even though you didn't get the decision. Absolutely. Yeah. Before that, the fight with Forrest Griffin No kidding. Goes into classes. but the world didn't know. Back in those days. for fighters. And I'm on that commission with the committee that the ABC commission has for fighters.

5:14 Yeah, he's alive. whether they get done with the sport. Oh, yeah. And Pat's face is like. there's like another one he was a He pulled off some wild shit. I won. Let's talk. I'm an espresso freak. Like, you look at, it's different when you look at the Pride guys, because they were And also there's no change in his physique when he beat Diego Sanchez,

8:58 He put that 1,000-yard stare in Edson Barbosa early in that fight. He does with bands you know we stretches himself with bands. He does like hardcore out of pools and shit. But it's such a good thing to get used to because they can't do dick. And you're getting punched in the face, and you're like try to block with that one little hand with MMA. It's so much worse

11:14 And I would never talk shit. And part of the reason why I had to pull out of the fight duck under and dude because I was training So I tried to stay in the, He goes, everybody thinks they have a herniated disc. Yeah, inversion tables. Oh my god When they call themselves It's fucking It's the origin of it. up with this idea he's gonna cure all illnesses

14:19 article pull up that article again because it's You may find relief from being manipulated. the knowledge and philosophy given me by Dr. Jim Atkinson, an intelligent spiritual being, And then the idea behind it, though, is that you could fix all these different problems that people have by adjusting them. It's like when I get deep tissue massage these motherfuckers

16:43 you're literally attaching something that actually works to something that's really crazy. That's the thing. man. I had a bulging disc in my fucking neck Does it hurt when I do that It's like, yeah, you got a bulging disc. It's your own blood. What is that? That he's gonna probably die in 10 years? That's obvious. He obviously loves it because he does not have to do it.

19:20 Wait, say it again now? He's going to get him down. That's the thing. He'll go shin to shin with you. who looked just as almost as bad. know your body's round and you're using your legs i mean he was pretty like he was like a board yeah He's the sneakiest calf kicker in the history of calf kicks. I don't want that shit. I thought he was just trying to kick my leg.

21:56 Prime very good when he knocked out Josh Thompson No, no, no, no, no. Masvidal KO'd him. Remember that one? Got me right. That dude was hilarious. I don't know I tell you I remember Beat the shit out of him, Dean Thomas. So now it's UFC 33 in Vegas right at the end of September. I thought Eve Edwards was a better striker than Shoney. That was the same card.

24:26 You were there? Yeah. i was the first fighter tonight that night against fabiano eha wow you know what's funny man and i So it got a lot of views. She's like, oh, you should like send them a shirt for that or something. and I got on the phone with you In 2001, it didn't exist. That's what it's like to call people. You know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a beautiful human being.

27:20 Because you don't go to New York for it anymore. and I always felt like I was winning so now I can be at my school Don't you think there's something missing when you don't doing a podcast with someone that I love hanging out with Jimmy in the room. But wait a minute, wait a minute. Jimmy does the serious radio. Get on a train. Oh, I didn't know it was every day.

29:42 How much has it changed? I used to be able to go on with old school headphones be on guard. It's fucking nasty, dude. but I didn't have to feel like I was so on edge. on the subway there. The guy was threatening people on a train. The people at home, when they put So I don't know what But this is what was weird. Yeah, fentanyl yeah, he might have been ready to die anyway

32:37 your life. The fact that is how long did he hold it on for? punching 60-something-year-old women Like, let me do that to you. But this is like the best case of it. right stop in someone who's been assaulting people the fact that the guy died That's the biggest thing. There's another thing. his right arm. Look, he's goofy with his hand. UFC palm on the head. It does work, but that's not like what a black say. That'll work, right? That's old school UFC palm on the head.

35:00 I get along with him very well. No, no. I'm not sure exactly where you are. I do but guys come on man. Fuck. That's also like That's not a V. And you'll be sleeping it under 10, fucking eight seconds. What the fuck am I doing? Anyway. Why do they want to go to sleep? look where the elbow placement his His feet are dangling. I bet you he told him to fucking drop him.

37:41 Dude, first of all. Why would people do that? That's why I don't choke nobody out like that. I was looking at him like Robocop where I saw the chin right there. and i mean it though i really do mean it I don't point to any of my fights with what likes with So he's putting glasses on her and shit. So you got gotta understand. See, what happened was, I'm with my wife and my kids.

39:59 Yeah. It was the day before I was going to go into the Hall of Fame. So sure enough, we're at the Red Rock Casino, back and he came back really hostile and he was like throwing shit at the fucking the waiters and turned right to me. And this is what I he goes so then he fucking put him down She's also the one with the big mouth. At the time, she was like nine.

42:49 you know, afterwards with that It's first of all it's nothing to brag about you all know this it's a drunk white belt Yes. Because this is one of the most horrific videos that any drunk douchebag should ever see. And this is crazy. I heard he got off okay. Bro, that's the last stop. Yeah. I think most fighters are that way. Yeah, he deserved it. Right.

45:40 I haven't been on Twitter in eight. Spread positivity Important message Maybe I'm too sensitive You get it out yeah fucking awesome Yeah, John's some people like to expand and that works for them. I Maybe some voiceover shit. He's awesome. talking about how, and I'm It's not a real strategy for your life. I don't know what the fuck to do with myself.

48:33 How you move. Let's go. With his hand on the gavel. I'm my own boss. In that Gracie documentary that I was just doing I was like there's a few You've been in the East since you're three years old. I remember when John Law was first dating him. when they would talk about, Yeah. because, to the K guard and Henzo goes I'm not exactly sure what they're saying sometimes.

51:47 Teaching you cuz they know the words and it's like but it's weird Why foot locks were okay though? Yeah, but he got locks. A knee bar, straight knee bar was okay. was sleeping on my futon when he had And Dean Lister was visiting, My computer starts spinning. and he's like a legit genius, wears rash guards everywhere, doesn't give a fuck about anything

53:43 And he's so fucking smart, man. Johnny, give me a day in the life. On a pillow. And then, you know, then you'd see him with a pillow over to the side. On a pillow. He was, we called him Hillbilly. He was from Virginia. He came John my TV because I've ever encountered. about killing people. No, no, we got him. Listen, do you know he's Gary Tonin's striking coach, too?

55:55 been a striker, to be a striking coach except for him. He's got an exciting, exciting... To come back from that and win. to be there. What is that? So I'm at the UFC. but I was there a stall the showers and stuff So I'm like, oh, no. I'm trying to stop my feet. But it's normal after a loss to be. The sink is over there. Yeah, it's hard to say. I was trying to stop my feet.

58:39 And you don't know what to say. until you kick someone else's ass. Dude, I want to see that in a cartoon. Yeah, right? I want dude What a scenario I want to see that What do you do for that They don't even Have you ever tried to do that? Did it get better? So then after that, I started doing gluten-free And I lost a bunch of weight. because I don't think I'm holding shit in.

1:01:00 I hate doing that. Oh my God. She goes, did you forget something last night? It's pretty bad, dude. All right, we're back to Mount. The way you're talking about the gluten and the pasta, He said that he what he does is the intimate fasting. So now he eats only between 1 and 9 He does long fasts. He's done Because of my stomach, I do eat less. I have a real problem.

1:04:05 I wouldn't be dialing there's great food out here and everything So yeah, I'll become a fatty in between. says something you ate Matt Serra fucking guys laughing And I think it just gets my metabolism going. I, you know, That's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was the best mistake he ever had. That's hilarious. Wow. We used to call the North-south choke the papa choke.

1:06:20 The north-south choke? He called it like a pec choke. That's what I was going to say. But I mean, he'd get in the best possible term. That's how it was. like they had one of them side open bars. He inspired me to go for broke, it was fucking the worst fight. Long ago, you know what it was, though? Mr. T was the referee. If you look, I I swear to God. Mr. T was the referee.

1:09:20 Oh my God. That's so weird. So yeah. It's a crapshoot if you exchange. it's like look at you jitsu yeah so then then then a sudden everything started coming back around. So that's when Longo's like, told you, cocksucker. Dude. Boom. like that was wild when i had to fight thank you first of all thanks when i had to fight carol I could run and I could box.

1:12:05 I got winded. in the beginning into Brooklyn to work I had him hurt. Got tired. manage your distance. during the circuit training, You're not going to try to get him down. but I knew that I had a very good chance of doing it Longo had guys feeding me the exact shit. it felt like a good day of sparring. The word was, before the rematch, Matt had hurt his back.

1:14:48 Yeah. So then my back was out. So this is the very injury you were talking about earlier. Right. so that's months there he's hanging by your necklace being able to fight I You weren't walking? I'm giving him a shout out because he gave me me back it got me back to being And he got me back, you know? It allows you to be awake and alert through labor.

1:17:21 Cleveland epidural steroid injections. 100%. Did it affect your movement with the epidural? It wasn't my fucking best camp, but I got there, Longo doesn't speak quietly. his red wine and shut the fuck up. so I didn't like that I stopped. It felt horrible. Oh yeah. And then beats Henry. Beats Henry and out-wrestles Henry. I think the tide has turned.

1:20:42 Sometimes they just get it all up and it's so Like the Devin Haney-Lomachenko fight. What fight was that? How did they do that? All I know is I'm backstage going He was using, I always had that attitude where I was going forward, so I felt like I won. He always break his balls about it. I go, wow, I guess it's great to be second place, cocksuckers.

1:23:08 I have to pay and everything? one yeah i was like no i don't want to do that i was like no i don't want to do that I think you think you're gonna feel that forever But my point is I don't give a fuck about any of them I don't like it either. I hate the win bonus. Yeah, they're not going to try to do something extra to get a win bonus to win. They're trying to win always. Like, it's not an incentive. It's just, in the

1:25:32 Not whether or not the judges get it right, wrong, it affects your money. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And I know they give people bonuses. and then at the end they were just going tooth and nail, Half his money and it's just a toss up. It's your fucking health. Yeah, for sure. You don't want to does. Listen, when you're in there, you're going to fight fucking hard. It's your fucking health at its best.

1:27:29 think yeah for sure like I'm not sure yeah like when these guys cut too much You're not a doctor? you're fighting tomorrow for your life worst I ever saw was Travis Luter Yeah, man. You think I want to eat raisins? I go, listen, I ain't no fucking brain surgeon here, but I don't think sugar, sugar, bro. I go, I don't know about that. Oh, yeah, as far as his students, yeah.

1:29:45 When he knocked out Buckley, that straight right. But then they made that crazy agreement to just have a kickboxing fight with Wonderboy. Even at 40 years old or however old he is now, Wonderboy is fucking terrified. I love the goddamn sidekick. It's total point karate style. does it correctly. That was after Vitor almost broke his arm in half, right?

1:31:32 And they went through the, he agreed to do the ultimate fighter because he really couldn't train. And then he sits down, So to this day, you know, Just one toe. Find that armbar. I feel like saying, dude, what the fuck? Look how tight this is. That's good he's not in that quick tap club. So he takes him down. I love it. And watch when he was on the ground initially was when it was the deepest so he takes him down

1:33:47 and there's a sidekick is so good man position again Speaking of TRT, I have a question. Well, here's the thing. Agreed. Right. Yeah, yeah. Remember the Louis Resto fight? He wrecked his fate, and then the kid wound up committing suicide. What are you talking about? he's just hitting him with bare knuckle. And what happened to this kid? lost his vision his vision was fucked up

1:36:47 the gloves and he felt the knuckle straight through the That's so evil. Some dirt bag. Before he passed away, he just hung out in the gyms. Yeah, I think so, too. You watch some of the Javante Davis sparring sessions. They jump them into the gym, basically. But it's so interesting to watch him in the beginning of fights where guys try to get God damn.

1:38:50 Oh my God. It is. That's what I never, I thought they'd fight like Pat Tank's from Baltimore. yeah who the fuck's in it That's hilarious. Oh, yeah? It's a fucking... I play with my brother-in-law, Edwin, and we fuck. He's another super talented Jiu-Jitsu guy. So it's Mike Fowler. Oh, yeah, you got to see. My wife comes up. Every time I'm playing, shes. Oh, we're nerds. We are. Oh, yeah.

1:41:42 Audio's all the favor. That's me in my living room. I'm flying. The fucking shadow boxing game. It's the future, man. So they're doing kicks now. And they started having this like taekwondo match. No way. Yeah Yeah, there it is. It's fun, man. Yeah, here it is. And the Halo For sure developing technique, it sounds like a It seems like you could take some things if you wanted to do

1:44:43 were throwing elbows. Yeah, you'd have to do it on your elbows and You're just doing this in the air. I'm talking to them. I put it in my carry-on, and it's so much fucking fun. So I was like, I can't do this. and I'm like I don't Imagine being that teacher. Back in the day, people would probably get the same kind of thrill doing it. He's the big favorite.

1:47:44 And he beat him three times not once yet I was there live the Wow. Yeah, he's underrated totally. Yeah. I'm telling you. 100%. 100%. Pantoja's fighting Brandon Moreno. That's Street. Yes. Yeah. Let me see the rest of that card, Jamie. Who else is on? Pantoja's fighting Brandon Moreno. And then Duplessis and him have a problem with each other. Yeah, the Battle of Africa.

1:50:31 If you can get past Whitaker, goddamn, Whitaker's good. Jalen Turner is coming into his own, right? I don't know. He'll wind up checking in the MMA. Robbie Lawler. That Della Maddalena guy is a motherfucker, dude. Oh, have you? I mean, Bilal's really coming into his own. No, he doesn't swear. If he wins, I'll give him an apology. Yeah. Mateus Gamrot. Oh, that's right. And he had him in trouble. He had him in trouble. Yes, he did. You know what I'm saying? Mateus Gamrot him a lot. Sure and sure. Yeah. Who did he lose to in his last fight? Mateus Gamrot.

1:53:10 That dude's game. He's an exciting motherfucker, Matty. Bro, he's no joke. i was a private investigator's assistant when i was 21 and uh really it was my friend dave lost of stuff. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that with fighting, too, though. And we were talking about that last night, never recover from it. One thing goes Like Kane Velasquez, his body just started failing on him.

1:56:23 He knocked out Yuri. Sometimes the world just seems backwards lately with a lot of things, you know? and for a guy with a wrestler base, his stand-up was legit. When he knocked out Minotauro, great missed opportunities. I think he beat him again. 230 round one. Cop danging you in the chin to his execution. That's pretty crazy. This was Fedor in his prime, man.

1:59:38 Because Fedor and his representatives met with the UFC at one point in time, and many points in time. I mean, is Munson still doing it? Oh, man. Well, I think that probably also led to his durability. That's how talented that guy was. Didn't matter a little bit either what he looked like. You're like, oh my God. He was doing good. The Logan's on the ground.

2:02:07 flying man what could have happened he fought back in the day when I was fighting and all Oski had a fucking straight sweater like his back and everything. No, no, no, no, no. I apologize. Or not. Dude, Sean Alvarez, they're just built different. They're stronger it was right where we start ufc chase i don't know let's see go up dave herman that's it it's

2:04:35 But when he let it all grow out, only one time I think he did it. Yeah. Holy shit, man. Yeah. Oh, if Sambo was easy, In 1FC, right? that combat Sambo style A competition direction. And it really depends on which kind of competitors That dude is always trying to close the show. Every fucking day and only eating once. saying that it's better for the thing about J jujitsu is

2:07:37 Where if I didn't have the defensive part of jiu-jitsu, the technique, not just the offensive part, with those claws? I saw that shit this morning I was with Bruce Buffer in Hawaii and he goes, I was asking, he's a little bit older, Bruce I got an infection once, some dudes pulling my hooks out. They gotta just take yeah, right? Do you use defense soap?

2:09:53 Supposedly healthy skin. Yeah, I mean, the only thing I have is I drink the kombucha. I thought that would cure any of my stomach trouble, but no. We killed it. and they just keep coming by with meat. The second, have you been here before she even finished her sentence? We turned that shit the Brazilian Steakhouses took a hit after fucking great but ever since then man uh i wonder if they took a hit with that.

2:11:57 Salad. I read that once. I mean, think about it. Survival food. hands. Moby was talking about it because, you know, Moby's a crazy vegan. And as long as there's no rooster, that's never going to be a chick. I think every one of those. If they catch a mouse, they will fuck that mouse up. Watch a cat is playing with this mouse It just steals it from him. Damn!

2:14:39 It was one of those type of... Yeah, eat the snake. There's videos of cows eating birds. Most of the time they do. You got to know how to prepare it. And if you get that scent on the That meat can't sour. Do you like the meat? Oh, I feel powerful when I have it. That noodle's not fucking so good for you. Listen, though. me so much. I think my Natural semaglutide makes you sick.

2:18:17 You also lose a lot of bone mass. So they're at a higher percentage of body fat even though their body was losing weight. Yeah. Everybody got a nutritionist. How much did you have to cut? And I hit the guy wide And people not looking at me good A football player from the Buccaneers, I think. It's a good advertisement. And I told him, I got to make 155 and I'm 160.

2:20:36 So he got me he got me Yeah, I was fucked up you said a lot like a lot of times that you see guys are throwing up like yeah I don't really like it. they make 170 like how the fuck i just had mike malott on my show the other day he's on you a few And I don't think heavyweight should be 265 like who's that oh yeah Picture in the suit on the right. I don't remember who won that fight.

2:23:15 Yeah, Holyfield. Most people thought that Evander should have won that fight. What about when Vitor went versus him and like, I mean, I like Vitor, you know, and Who would? But also, you know, it is a fight. It was sad to watch. Yeah. It was an amazing fight. He wants the eye to that? He wants the eye to that. The head kick. I'd be pissed too if i was michael bisping you know oh yeah

2:25:32 It was crazy. Right. Remember with Rockhold, Right. Yeah, Overeem's lost. Yeah. I can't reply. Find that. And then fight the world champion, Chris Weidman, who's natural and a fucking monster. Really? It still was a good fight Which is very dangerous Like, he ran out of gas in that fight. What about when he beat Vanderlei? How crazy was that? He looked like a lion.

2:29:00 I think Dolph Lundgren's in it too, yeah. Vitor cuts Randy Couture He cut his eyelid So that's the second fight. What year was that? That's the first fight. That's a cable vein down his arms. The guy was purple? He was so big. That's when Anderson got I used to see him around all the time Yeah that guy swole That was his guy. Good Lord. And I think Homeboy was like 60 in this picture. Yeah. Yeah.

2:30:59 Yeah. Let's go. Probably almost everybody. That's the dude. How did he die? He was only 36 Yeah crazy And plyometrics Plyometrics a lot, yeah. So instead of doing 100 push-ups straight, I do it that way. weight squats and push-ups it's like i have to do them anyway i do 100 every day anyway so that's a out and just relax and do breathing exercise so the next time I did it I did

2:34:50 I drove from my house to here with the windows rolled up, no AC on, and I was freezing. That's how cold I was. Next thing, I got to 20. Killed off the fucking cavemen feel good, All day long. I like it. Let me ask you, man, because I love, I start my day with a nice steam. So your body starts producing all these cytokines, all these anti-inflammatory heat shock proteins.

2:37:47 Four times a week, 20 minutes at a time. from cardiovascular disease and stroke. And it also, you just feel better. Air inside the sauna is very hot and dry. But the key is like you do it, it increases your cardio. to 147 and just stays there So in the morning, you should do the cold stuff, and then like in the afternoon, do the sauna. I mean it makes sense because if you do the cold after it kind of defeats the purpose of the workout

2:40:50 when he had that rematch with Hoyler Gracie, Yeah, yeah. If I just get some steroids, I'm good to go. Get your health done. They'll do an extensive blood panel on you and find out what your nutrient levels are. They're actually doing, where I was meeting with your buddy. Yeah. Yeah, I drink a shitload. I got one running around the house. So one time, so finally my wife's like, look.

2:43:01 And she's like, I got to. 100%. Don't you fucking settle. Yeah. Yeah. You think about some paths you could have went down. How many people do you know that got in street fights where somebody could have died? Hit his head. See, Matt, that's why I be keeping you out of trouble. Because when you hear about people getting knee replacements In Denver Wow.

2:46:12 but I'm like, yo, this is fucking great. No, I'm good. They go, no, that shit's cemented in there. that get knee replacements he's a jujitsu guy. He knew what I had to do. So I was already flexible. But uh what happened was they like no my other? Of the knee fuck up the knee, but So I got that thing drained several times. But I think Bisping is still-

2:49:35 He's good with the- 20% of it, in the front of it. I was getting ready. I just fucking, damn. because I was on meds and then I noticed I heard of a dude who got his quad detached from a leg kick. Fortunately, he was on a mat. I'm afraid I'll. But I could I don't like that shit But think about like Those guys that First of all Look at the guys who do the rings in the Olympics.

2:52:18 Balance and everything. Like, look at these guys. Look at that guy. Sexy. That's a ridiculous kind of power to do that cross. Russian Olympic rings guy All calisthenics. That's so hard. like, what you in the gym for? probably even more His name is Hannibal. I'm so impressed with people that could do that. I mean, it's like gymnastics. Ahsoka trailer.

2:54:52 He's a bigger Star Wars nerd Yeah. Very interesting. Hold on. what happened? he's like the most prominent investigative reporter in Las Vegas for UFOs. He's the guy You're not making any money from this. All of a sudden it's a gift i don't think it's headphones headphones my bad i thought it was like a Now it makes all the sense We decided And the club.

2:57:28 And he runs that show. Before it went on Netflix. He's just a fun guy to have around. Yeah. No, I think you're thinking of Eve Edwards did it. Where Nick the Tooth fucking walked off the show and we needed somebody. was there something crazy like he was a funny guy to the camera And he was the only one being like, stop! Of course. so I think he thought I was on the couch.

3:00:03 He was a brown belt. He's bald. like just dumbfounded. I go, dude, what the fuck was that? Let's grapple, let's grapple. And this is the first time I knew there was some kind of problem. He goes, not only is that going to be fucking shown, wait till you listen to my fucking commentary. He's a very likable guy. match with Dana or something at a concert.

3:02:24 What the fuck? I wasn wasn't there I heard about this were left the show But there was one name yo, Did you write your own material? Look at Dana, chubby Dana. It felt so good. That was so much fun. You got out as fast as you got in. Acting like they're seals. These are producers. Hey, again, that was Florida. Why? Listen, just because you can do something doesn't mean, just because you could pay for

3:05:15 Oh, really? to keep the headlines for a few days, because that's right when he got indicted. Yeah, that's true. Why would you admit that you have a top secret system? Look at that. It can't withstand that kind of depth, especially the new material It's horrible. Whatever we do. Oh my God. the impact because the impact like it because they said water without that

3:09:07 This is fucking awesome, though. Yeah. Dana was up there and he didn't do it. Ah, Yeah. Fucking give it to him, Dean! I go, Scott Coker would do it! That's hilarious. He rode a bull. That is so much more dangerous. Maybe that's why he didn't jump in the water. Oh my God, this is Dana? Look at when he lands. That's just dumb luck. It was one dude who was a bull rider and it wasn't a bull riding episode, but his shoulder

3:11:57 bucket list shit. I'm not doing that again. And it almost hit me, man. Nah, the last time wasn't nothing like that. You go to these small shows, you know, you guys show up, everybody's freaked out. Oh, really? You are so fucking good at this, man. Yeah, it's own podcast. I could be making money with my VR. You're so good at this, though. Yeah, it's like, you know.

3:13:51 It's called Ground Control, and it's groundcontrolbaltimore.com. you should be doing he does great with that though yeah well thank you very much someone's house to watch it for when he beat you know when he beat george