Joe Rogan Experience #10155 — Max Holloway Transcript

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0:00 Have you ever had to deal with jet lag for a fight? They're all like eight or nine o'clock a.m.. Whoa yeah, cuz we was fighting like around that time like early in the morning So they're saying whoever's main headline is fighting at 6 AM. He's like living in the UK. He was like, he watched our fight. Our fight just got done. Mine's in Justin. 3 a.m.. I'm probably gonna be screaming so please don't you know don't divorce me. So it's pretty awesome

2:45 if a fighter gets a loss or two, I'm like, listen, he's only 32, right? I've been calling out DC, but I'm a young guy. You know just because I've been harassing I mean like it is what it is. Everybody's like, oh, yeah. Look look at Max That was crazy supposed to get hit for that long right and then now you're doing a camp even if You know Marquez knocked out Manny Pacquiao Freddie Roach made him wait a year one year one year. That's crazy

6:19 And that really meant a lot. So we bring back sparring for this one, you need to protect your brain. Yeah, you you're not getting hit clean a lot one of the things that you do a lot is you you roll with shots Yeah, it's just like avoiding that one punch and then we start tuning him up then he dropped you he dropped posting and saying like, however many

9:03 it, he hit me right on the top of my dome. I was like, that was a good punch. And then when I rewatched it, he hit me like right on the top of my dome. That has to count. Dropping me or killing me and then I see the comments of him getting Boom! and actually was winning the rest of the way to look for him in it Yeah, despite the spirit of the man. You got damage no matter your spirit

11:45 And who knows where he could have been if he hadn't taken that fight and he left look. It's only eight weeks It's all right now, but they hurt bro. I saw the bus to talk about it my bro I can move I move it whatever is like stiff after the fight in there a lot of people always I always hear you talk Yeah, it wasn't really a problem. I know it hurts

13:57 Because some guys, like you've seen what happens with Paheta. Yeah. And I'm ten or something or eight and nine or something like that. Are you fucking crazy? tripping out and you know it's funny as soon as that as soon as that happened I I'm gonna grab that dude and drag him to the ground smart, bro. Yeah, I Yeah, and I was kicked him in the head. That was crazy. Yeah, those cartwheel kicks are ridiculous crazy crazy

17:16 I heard you talking about how his hip is so flexible that he can just kick he can't bro bro, like some of them, even his angles that he take on his kick Oh, he took out that guy it's horrible to watch because you're dealing with the clinch and you're thinking What do you think like if you had a planet out okay? That would be wild but even if whoever wins, but then I really like

20:18 options after this fight we the whole main goal with this fight was like just I don't know what he knows. I haven't pressed him. I'm sure DC knows something that guy only talks about stuff when he knows Yeah, it's either he knows something going on or he's just bullshitting. So it's either Biased towards wrestling yeah, yeah, he wants he's like there's been no takedowns in the BMF fights like I think that's what a BMF

22:32 And before this fight, everybody was shitting on the BMF, whatever, blah blah blah. You know like yeah that our fight a lot of people were saying could have been the main event of 300 But when you dropped him, the first time I ever stood up, I couldn't sit down. I was standing up. I was just like, I had to get up. Yeah. You know I say to this day, and I do it based on my reaction obviously this is personal

25:17 All these people were saying that it did. Yeah, he was down four rounds and John Anik just had the perfect call. He said that is not the cloth from which he is cut. And then boom! Yeah! And then boom! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah Impact all-time like complete polar shift of how people think about the BMF belt. They don't think about as a gimmick

26:40 fight like with Alex that fight don't get erased off until I have something You know, like to see everybody go crazy. And then I was like, oh, hell yeah. I just this is normal knockout. It has to be. And then you flex and walking around. Come Yeah, that was a there's a wild moment man going with Spain he just takes the time because you got to book something and

30:35 Allegiant Stadium for a big UFC 100% they could sell it. I mean every UFC sells out like that. They sell out so quick What a crazy night max what a crazy night and You know and they saw it was there three different angles and I reposted it but like people like yeah like you're getting I always get noticed but like these guys like Like after after if I was insane it was something stupid. I was like, oh wow. I didn't even know you could look that up

33:42 Yeah You know like 45 the BMF and put it put the BMF in the 55 against whoever had 55 and I'd be Yeah, nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. I was in there against It's really cool how you document pretty much everything. But the main thing that we want to focus on was speed like I knew I could I could condition and that's the way I fight you know I if you go look at it a lot of

36:51 So, you know at the end of day like, you know the number some of the numbers that these guys is putting out there had four weeks to train for them and I was like I mean put the picture of poor two weeks before a fight or even the week, right? yeah, look how, look how fat I was. Look that top right one that top right one right there look how fat I was yeah look at yeah

38:35 I was terrible and I was he kissed me nice. He keeps me clean, so it is what it is How much is the odds on betting on him dropping a ghillie? I'm trying to stay out of the way, but I'm also trying to ask questions, and I didn't pick up on it. Yeah, plus. I didn't I was like no way St. Anthony get staff. Yeah, so he's got staff on his forehead He's always got stuff like every other week, feels like.

41:19 Another thing is people mistakenly use antibacterial soap. That's the most crazy thing bro, right when people like I see people like we train and then we have a shower at the gym And it doesn't mess up because it's all natural What the fuck are you? What are you doing, man? We was planning. So I really thought they was gonna try and ask me So we was I was already training and then

45:04 And if somebody got a problem, then they can meet me somewhere, anywhere. It was like brother whoever we fight you're gonna outwork him some people saying oh this guy's really strong so I try to go with him I was like yeah he's no difference between me and you. I'm like what are you doing you beating yourself up for what this is fucking practice get better

47:26 That identity crisis because they're so known for one thing and that's gonna tell him like that's what I love doing other stuff Like a fucking cyborg or something? I'm like You're out of your fucking mind. You don't understand. Yeah, brother. So what you're talking about It's actually pretty easy, you know? You know, I mean go tell him he said it. I think it's easy for you

50:07 Oh, yeah, as I told I tell everybody I told uh I was like, Henning Baral, Henning Baral threw it. but I threw it real close, almost in clinch. That's why I asked. Yeah, and I told him like, bro, this is gonna be What's the drill? then push it did you ever practice we stand right next to the bag? Yeah? What a fucking fight man, I watched that fight at least ten times no bullshit at least awesome

53:22 kill in the bag bro Yeah, I was like like what I thought oh we went to like a traditional karate school and then he I'm doing this right kick. I do this right kick and then I just step over on my right hand against Gachie. So I was like brother Much more when he concentrated on himself and had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching We're fighting for freaking a lot of money like you better sign that damn contract

56:39 like you might bro, I feel I feel And then as soon as the lights come on, I start hearing my song, that's when it changes, he gonna do it is gonna do it and then we walked up to Hawaiian Hawaiian Superman Maui Hawaiian Superman, so I loved it And then that was what they did. He's the scariest motherfucker when he walks out cuz he stands there he walks out like this Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, the kid so he was at the press conference, bro

59:41 When I say when I say the best martial artists I've ever seen in terms of like the expression of martial arts I was like, I got the walkouts, here's Justin. So here's Mighty Mouse pretending to be so hoodo Yeah, yeah, yeah, I started to you know T-mobile. Yeah, and the fans are looking scared as hell in that hut in the forest. Does he really? Racket was me racket and heel and these month bro these big guys

1:02:36 And he's a real bro. He's a real nice guy like you ever talk story to him. Yeah, I've talked to him Like I kind of forgot about it until I watched it again. I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm almost out And one time he said let's get it on so I was okay you know I Yeah, I mean, how the hell did he get led into Wakanda? It's not very Wakanda mindset, you know

1:05:10 That left and I think Jamal saying I would have never let him that close to me Step in see it and then Alex chose the left Alex steps on his foot. Yeah, yeah steps on his friend I was crazy Wow and is a glancing blow glancing brother and it was like a was even a hook was like a uppercut and he just torques his whole body and whips across. How much did you spin back kick? Did you kick the right? I never kicked it with spinning back. He punched that the machine 191

1:07:40 I hate a paeda has never relaxed. So this time has gone on with this is a little we're doing it in slow motion When I was going with Justin was just be on all the time right like just fucking max that I was just in the back I'm myself mentally physically you need to be here every fucking second right every millisecond brother Millisecond where no one knows what's going on. Yeah, and when Paheta is still moving But better but better isn't look at Paheta. He's the millisecond

1:09:13 So you see the distance that Jamal's maintaining initially. Yeah, and you're in the danger zone yeah that's fucking Kenny Rogers or Kenny Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and Jamal didn't know. Yeah, this is a real moment. to be locked in there. How much times do we hear? But how much time do we see what sometimes it that's this not the case or it's just too early

1:12:12 Separate. momentarily even if you're gonna restart it you have to understand that the momentum is stopped things have changed and if one guy does this and But it seems like he had actually told them to stop and that's when Jamal Yeah, he says time and he puts his hand up I was like I told DC I go dude He's a man how the fuck was he ever making 185 is the big question and how much do you think that?

1:15:30 And the whole audience yells out ha with him. he landed that one good right hook in the first round, but what is crazy is that when I read when I read I see comments, I see people talking about our fight and Yeah, you have to deal with those people, but that is Yeah, it was perfect. It was perfect. And it was such a great moment on that night night because that night was magical

1:17:51 I'm like, bro, he's the guy. And to win both the bonuses is, bro. the perfect, bro, this is UFC 300, He's the ultimate troll bro. I love I love they know like them when they troll people and they you saw the video Be a factor, but to say this is going to happen that is folly. That's a stupid way to look at things It's a bet 2 million to win to win 12 million and he paid what and he paid?

1:21:16 It reminds me a lot of Roy Jones in his prime Yeah, oh, he fought Vinny pazienza didn't get a single punch Yeah, that guy is a businessman. These guys are businessmen Against your body. No problem. He's gonna be a problem for everybody. He's gonna be a problem speed is bananas Hey, he just keep trying my folks didn't prepare he's crazy he's mentally unstable yeah yeah

1:25:11 There's a post of him being like yeah, I still got the title. I'm like wow yeah, it's kind of crazy the thing Bellator Dominated in one FC comes over to America beats Robbie Lawler in a weird one remember that And it just goes right in and then he does the freaking three-pin Oh, they know already. I think it's 14. I asked them after. dangling and he's kicking in the air. Imagine that. I wish they had a full screen. He's

1:28:23 huge around tree is a brother do you know you owe him a lot of money you do have a lot of Clenching elbows he goes to Thailand and then he fights Eric Anders and he comes out looking like a Thai fighter. Me and DC were like, what happened? He was moving like a tie like his front leg. He's like tapping with the front leg Yeah, a lot of people say this is too soon, but I get it Jamal wants to get back in there

1:31:07 guess what you're doing next fight? And, you know, Khalil's had moments in his career Yeah, he's just in us and he just has no quit in him everything. And Khalil is also Southpaw, so Jamal standing Southpaw, you know, he He tried to truss kick a guy in his body while he's down. Yeah, well he's done that before. He's body kicked guys. I was like, you cannot body kick a down opponent to the head. You can body kick him to the body. You just can't kick kick on the girls like you cannot body kick a down opponent to the head you can body kick

1:33:56 the cage if there was no cage no place where you couldn't move and someone could They're gonna go all the way to the ground or they're gonna like fight you talented G Because you know, his knee's right there. remember they let him do that in Pride? But like if I can soccer kick you Like, come on, bro. That's the two faces on one side. And then you you said I think someone into his long time ago

1:36:50 unenviable role where he had to go to these places and Like, come on, bro. This is like like I'm going There's still a bunch of dumb rules like that, but I think the cage provides this problem You know the cage is there, brother. Right, right. That's true. Well people are always gonna try to game. I mean I see what you're saying, but you would see so much guy, but so much guys is gonna like

1:40:09 So many guys do that Well, you gotta think it's a fight or or or like even your rule Now imagine Paheta fights John Jones and they fight John Jones for the light heavyweight title at at should be that way like yeah why are we fighting rounds you know I think pride That'd be I mean you it's kind of cheap Like I just hold on to you for 30 seconds. limited techniques like you can't use a knee to a downed opponent you can't do

1:43:59 Horn blows fuck now you gotta start standing. I got to get known Yeah, yeah after getting yet. Oh, I mean we do they already kind of do that Under the current rules because you might start standing up in the second round and this dude says alright fuck this guy I think with the weight cutting would be fun without no weight cutting but then we see it used to be USADA.

1:46:35 should fight yeah unless you want to do something crazy to lose a lot of weight Like if we don't do it, if I don't do it, then I'll fight a one seven year, you know? Leon is a big boy too. Yeah, they're 200 pounds. I bet 100% bro. Yeah, but the thing is it was just Yeah Vegas don't give a shit and it was also in New York when they just started like they didn't they did that's what I say

1:49:09 I don't know what he was when they pulled him then he started drinking water and then he waited 178 Hamsat is who's he fighting next? If you can hit this guy and continue to hit him, fight against Usman, the only time he takes down Usman is when Usman wrestles him back. Crazy, I don't like those 10-day fights man. It's got it. It's shitty cuz no one's gonna talk about the 10 days

1:51:42 You know it's like people keep forgetting about that because they don't give a shit well they Well, that's just to think a 45er who's gonna come up and do that to the guy who does that to everybody in his weight class but they're doing it promocley when I was warming up What a shitty turn of events. Cause like, Ilya didn't want a Granite or a rematch.

1:53:38 This guy, this guy, brother? Like I didn't even read it. I what the yeah, did I make my wife mad? I had to make sure that wasn't her, you know? At least six months with no stuff and I'm like maybe you could no sparring But he's such a property property Yeah, he's so important. Yeah to risk him like that again after a head kick knockout to Markachev

1:56:15 Me and him head butted a couple times, it is, but not big ones, not career-changing ones, He fought he fought both at a perfect time The question is, how much time do you give yourself Yeah, he knows how to win and you know, he but you can't run a race with a bad suspension For head injury rise like I could sit earlier in our conversation with Justin like Justin is taking six months off of that

1:58:20 At the end of the day, I've been with this company for a real long time. I couldn't say because if that happened to me Yeah, part of me was like damn and absolutely toporia is a knockout striker. He has beautiful boxing beautiful You know, the Jai Herbert one was amazing. Yeah, that was that was one after the head kick For a guy like that. You gotta kind of know the mindset but not don't let him do something

2:01:30 Like, at the end of the day, I'll just be like, All this shit, you know, like I hate guys who do that Yeah, we wired different. You know, I mean like a BMF Justin is wired different You know we wired different I'm going to kill you brother He's like I know he gets dwarfed. It's crazy brother. He's the he's dwarfed. That's insane that he fought it then gets into the 185 pound division and has the same kind of punching power.

2:04:38 You know, but you know Cody Brunch is good and he gave him some troubles and yeah gave him some trouble standing up Yeah, that's what you supposed to do How about that Zhang Wei Li Yan Shao That's insane cuz I just saw I just saw a lot of like I didn't see that part Yeah, China to come from places where it's like you must get bred into being a fighter

2:07:34 Jeff Neil's 200 pounds that night. They say No, I choke you. It's a wild time for talent. There's so many guys brother and and you know, it is cool Yeah, she was out out, so if you watch the video And she's like what what's going on? She literally doesn't know where she's going to the death to the death to the death When somebody asked Dana, Dana was like, is like, oh, what about the BMF?

2:09:47 Harris is gonna try to challenge you What is this? All right other countries that like have to translate the BMF. They're like, what are they saying? Yeah I was like fuck is Bruce taking so long. They not just see the knockover that I want to say I want I'm waiting for the change Dana. Let us know Let us we be we be sitting we're waiting right now You might read half of it and just stop reading

2:12:51 You know have one thing that keeps you relevant and that would grant you a money fight the BMF belt You will have a worthy defeat against a champ. Wow, this is like Roman shit Like that guy kicks like nobody else in the sport brother if he if they're like jabs, but he can when you go in front of a crowd, Year you go back to the Frankie Edgar fight, right?

2:15:47 I was like this motherfucker so fast bro. He hit BJ Penn with a 360 roundhouse kick brother crazy. Yeah crazy, bro Why I knew it was coming and it hit me. I was like, no what is going on? Yeah, those kicks are coming from everywhere look at this mean that that left kick to the body and then that right hand behind it but they collided you know that was a crazy fight yeah crazy fight yeah I saw

2:18:17 Go watch some fights. Oh bro for sure. You know you know it's funny because like a lot of people they can they can whatever, and you guys hugged it out after, like you fought somebody at some Yeah, exactly. The first thing I'm doing I'm like I'm gonna kick you right in the baby maker. I'm gonna gouge your eyes You're practicing street techniques? The reality humbles you. No, reality Oh, yeah, I'm bulls you know, but you notice the most hilarious ones is when it does it like you see these guys troll

2:21:06 That's a rare person. There's a lot of things that had to fall into place to make a max Holloway like if I told you you had to you had to fight one of these guys you had to fight in any way he could find. Never was ripped never fucked everybody up fucked everybody up Any chaos That's insane, yeah. Crazy. giving you your due and I was just, I you know, I shout out to Dana Hunter.

2:25:20 I couldn't, I couldn't, bro. Open at like 260 and then I think so he closed at like 2 3 I might be wrong Backing because DC kept saying like this is a new skill like the way he's my friend, bro Even if you look normal, you're hurt. Yeah, I think about old people today like that's what's interesting about this Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight Yeah, look at that look. Oh my gosh. That's where you get the master. I'm a lot of power. Yeah, that's crazy

2:28:59 imagine he go in there and just that lips a guy bro what is going on he's Mm-hmm. He's looking on what if he trolling everybody? What if he knew bro? Yeah, but you can still kill someone with 69 if you're Mike Tyson fuck yeah fuck yeah What is it John love or he's one of Floyd boys? Guys, what did you think of Anthony Joshua and Francis and Gatto? Oh

2:31:44 You can hurt him. You can probably hurt him with a hand especially because nobody knew anything about right like the thing but Anthony Joshua looks so good he's so good bro it's just a difference Yeah. Boom, look, look. He didn't even see it. No. He did not even see it brother. He was already out here like he's Stupid fights for no reason it's Would love to box when I box in them. It's fun

2:35:25 I'm doing what I'm doing here, at 35, 36 maybe we squeeze out a little bit, but then I always, that's got my got a bunch of other stuff you know that I'm trying to try to get as soon as we go I can try and tack this like I would love to stream when I'm He started getting more in hand with his daughter's basketball. Like I'd be fucking, I would be distraught.

2:37:46 Thank you epic performance. It was amazing. I can't I can't wait to see you in there again. Thank you, buddy