Joe Rogan Experience #10157 — Craig Jones Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. It's fading in my old age. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that hearing? Yeah, just one of them. I thought it was cool until the inner ear started to swell I was always scared of the ears because it's just there's a design like it helps capture sound and bring that home with me. Yeah.

1:47 funding this thing that's one of those things you know your girl takes a trip like a lot of these are just kind of flying around around here you know So how's one even get a million dollars out of a bank? And I mean, that put the energy in him to get it. I mean we're running as a nonprofit Their event is in T-Mobile obviously ADCC is the biggest. Right. And this sells a lot of ticket sales, but

5:33 to the division winners so 10k is the winner of ADCC and we're gonna pay ten thousand and So for them, raising the money would just be losing more money. some of that should go back towards the athletes even if the ADCC is not making Like, it's not going to be that crazy if you choose the right venue. Obviously, I've never competed in front of that many people before.

7:51 Well we kind of, I mean yeah obviously athletes can't do both but in terms of for the fans, of a payment increase. ADCC and the Craig Jones Invitational and I'm going to announce today Nicky Rod's jumping across. I I can't say any names in particular, but a lot of the old legends Is this a one time thing? We don't want to just kill another organization and then I just disappear off into the sunset

10:50 I mean, basically he says, if, hey, we I mean, even no matter how rich you are the money we have. I mean, based on the investment and how much money we can raise for charity is really the off of actual competition. would be instructionals. But again, that's like, you can win the biggest tournaments in the world. It doesn't necessarily translate to seminars doesn't translate to

13:32 MMA guys you know like they got the big names so obviously UFC Fight Pass helped for an event like a tournament, you might face four guys. Right make so much more money particularly because of Gordon, He's just joking. And I'm like, no, believe me. No. I'll just be like, oh, that seems like enough lifting for today. Really? Yeah, that's it I mean, I love the technique and the strategy aspect of it, you know, like sometimes when

16:26 not for the match. Wow, that's a crazy approach. The biggest super fight in grappling history? You have been joking around about this forever. This is actually gonna happen a hundred percent gonna happen I'm happy she's doing it. That like oh, it took a long time. We've been talking about this for two and a half years Really? where I don't even know the rules.

19:24 So we'll have three judges use some sort of pre-existing point system knew because fans are tuning below what the fuck's happening and he won the round tonight Like Adesanya is fighting somebody and he's just dominating the fight. We all know that We all know that and the only thing that could fuck him is a bad judge some crazy. Yeah, and and we've seen that

21:23 drug test it and I'm not and I'll be on guys in the UFC because I know they're drug tested and I'm not, Guys might fall off the stage. Yeah, and the angled wall like all sudden he's fucked cuz you're just gonna go down like it's not like a wall away we want it to be detrimental to you well not having any referee interruption for that like so this is this this is the setup and this is in karate combat

23:38 But I mean anytime someone posts a hand on the ground And I saw, because of the angle, But then I saw him put water in his cup. I was like I've been misled here I never know what helps my performance or makes it worse. I was celebrating. Yeah. it was happening, like he called me, I mean I was jet-lacked at the time, I'd just gotten I knew it would be a very difficult challenge.

26:41 like six to eight weeks helping him prepare for that one. I'm like fuck you 145. This shouldn't be the case rugby. Yes some rugby energy And they said they're playing rugby because they live in a different country this is the number one, in my opinion, So this is a short amount of time, you know, and then everything kind of falls apart. and get KO'd I mean yeah it's crazy I don't know the if I've had a couple concussions from

29:56 where like, even with the fights when like, say, we'll take out him in the sub. more self belief. And you know it's it's so tricky because I'm just such a huge Vulk fan. I just I'm like, yeah, you make a good point. you are, but your technique is very, very good, obviously. I said man like if we're gonna take some time away because the con. I wanna get him a grappling match. I said to him, I said, man, like,

32:14 I would just love to see it in that setting He was in a fight like two three rounds get one look at a guillotine. It's crazy as your grips in there like you try and switch it from like, I guess like the front choke And so does he have a plan to come back? This is August 16th, 17th. Yes, not much much time, but I mean if he's in shape he's training Can you say names?

34:25 All the legends, they want to, so many people want to come out of retirement for Yeah. I think people are going to be shocked at how good Luke Rockhold is. Yeah. Like those skills won't translate. but I think if you're in a submission and the round ends we keep going get out of the submission Well, he had had some, if I had submitted him, I wouldn't even have a coach. I just posted an Instagram story.

36:52 I'm like, what's happening, bro? It was very awkward, but then broke the ice and I came into training the next week. Yeah, I lived in New York for, oh, I mean, man, my memory's hazy. You know, I'm going to exploit that story to the bitter end. Obviously Two Brothers split up was going to be some serious issues there. like hey I'm gonna this would be my last ADCC and then I just want to travel

39:05 I mean, obviously when you put on like, if you put on an event that pisses off every other promotion in the sport, competition. festival. Are you are you besides the Gabby Garcia thing, and I'm like, man, if we can put that together, like I'm going to try and save some space. But Wow. Yeah. That's insane. And when John Jock went over there, we were just so proud that he went over there.

42:01 would have really struggled because it's so hard for people to We have our own invitational. I appreciate what you're saying, but if ADC is not turning a profit, But man, like if they had even upped it to 20k, you know what I mean? become a star you know I know plenty of guys well not plenty of guys but I know a coach Volkonovsky and you've worked with MMA athletes before.

45:16 I remember when he went to the contender series shot but Jack is so good at mixing shots up to the body and to the head I mean he Who could we convince into this event? You know, like just as from a pure fan They have a tournament, the end of the tournament, If you say you're an IBGJF champion or an ADCC champion, How many guys are jumping ship? No, cuz I think they see it as well. I could get the money to show

48:28 And they're not even talking about themselves. But I think best case scenario is that ADCC Money is the shot. is predominantly English speaking people No, we don't talk. know some missing women but we had a tight bond. He's a unique character I mean he seems bro, we're taking a day off, you know? Did you talk to him about the philosophy So we, I mean, we talk all the time.

52:09 as that is a huge benefit. You put him in Hensel Gracie's in New York for 20 years when it was the hub of So I think there's all these factors that have made him who he is and why he's so successful. How much of a factor is this, the constant training, the training of 365 days a year? Like you just lose the steam, you lose the engine. And we should go up and down and like, I like it when you have an event,

54:41 should be entitled to some time off. My memory is probably fazy, pretty forgot some things, but yeah, obviously I'm not as lucky as others. I probably came up with a time period in my city that was more like an older time in the US where black belts were Yeah, what were you doing for a living back then? Weed I was like fucking me Russian stuff smoking weed. So like I was like thinking I'm gonna learn some techniques ended up smoking weed all the time

57:25 once said this to me like if your life is shit and you smoke weed it's gonna feel you know like car, having pre-workout, getting ready to go to war, you know? but they're so fascinated by that, Beers don't help me. I think that's useful. Were you just to take the edge off? Eddie Bravo's book, like the actual textbooks and then I started buying the instructionals like I had Kara Parisian

1:00:29 And then where'd you go for Purple Bell? So like I trained by myself a long time before I was able to join any big teams. Those are the techniques I wanted. They really weren't too many places in the world that would take no gee as seriously as those guys I remember I used to go, trips to Mexico to get some medicine. No, I mean the antibiotics. the amount of discipline it takes to train that much while you're on antibiotics.

1:03:20 Yeah I had bad stuff in my leg like even during the that Phillip Roe match I Yeah, anything. and they would just go home sweaty. that helped. Oh that probably helps a lot. A lot of sunshine down there too. Yeah that probably helps a lot. rate in the morning, make sure you're not over training. Really? We should find out, but I'm busy traveling all the time.

1:05:39 I've got to survive for this shit. And I was making jokes with him and he was just like not laughing at all Rastovic he's just like how can I fucking make Bruce buffers life difficult a yeah, bro You know, it just doesn't come out right. That was a guy that I He was so interesting because he was from Dagestan, but he fought like a you know like almost like a karate fighter

1:08:25 love traveling around finding these guys like these mysterious guys like I was in He was a pop star? Dancing montage singing Wow. That is amazing. Does he look at him? Is this him dancing? Oh yeah. First pitch with all these dudes behind him. Oh and one of the most difficult things a person can do. Yeah. and how they turtle and get up from there. I was like Derek Lewis inspired no you did do that right you did make a whole

1:11:42 Interesting. Yeah, cuz you don't think about it. Yeah. It's a much simpler game. It doesn't mean it's easier. There's just less things you Like when you see guys like Wonder Boy Yeah, it's funny when you're in the when you friends with a bunch of MMA fighters And before that Volkanovsky. because of how dangerous Yaya's guard is. a big contingent of Mexican MMA fighters

1:15:02 I was like, I think this guy's the. I think he's the next guy to emerge. It's not just that he's good, he's fucking scary. Fucking relax, bro. What are the guys that help you out the mountain those guys yeah the Sherpas yeah Just, but like remember when he lost to Frankie came back from that and just become a much And that is a fact of fighting too. Like sometimes a guy will clip you in the first round and

1:17:12 Fight was a fucking amazing fight still, even with that shattered nose. seconds when Max points to the floor a fight that he's winning four rounds to It's very difficult to get them to compete under those rules. Like they went to OT. Mm-hmm. And it was fucking close, you know, Right, when Nicky grabbed that foot. And I can just picture him just getting his foot broken,

1:19:43 Sometimes though, you get popped and it's so fast That was disgusting, yeah. That still haunts me. It's like now you committed to the bit, you know, like it was he saying Oh God. bone poking into the skin like if I'd kept going it would have probably like well here so Yeah, we start talking and I'm just like, what's happening right how strange and I was like you want to keep going all right?

1:22:28 I remember watching it with this look on my face. Honestly, I don't know. But he came back and competed against Mason Fowler. It was quick though. It was a quick break. Doesn't he still have a plate in there? The fibula, I cracked my fibula before. So we hit like a 50, 50 in version. And then he tries to get me. through that like it was like full power and Uriah checked it and you see

1:25:17 enthusiastic Joey Diaz. I said Joe Hogan Fight Foundation and I'm just like it's probably not good to start it with I was like you need more than that to beat me you pussy, you know, I am going to come out in a white tank top smoking be an added element of fun some fun the tournament serious I wish what I wanted to do was run an event where we drug

1:28:29 Yeah, I was reading about that. which are not going to affect him in Now that's very interesting. Who do you think takes it? That's a good question That was rough. That's a rough way to go. Well, you know Luke likes to talk shit and you talk shit to that guy Yeah, what his stack is not? I mean, I've told this story before for people that have heard it I'm sorry, but one of the things that happened to yo L when he got injured

1:31:35 Messing around a shitty convicts in it genetics from Australia You know just no good lifting program a are experts that you're actually healthier I actually like some people criticize me for saying I take steroids and jujitsu. get criticized for it, but it's like like the other option is they don't know what those motherfuckers is clean is crazy talk.

1:34:24 They don't really know what the fuck they're talking about either undetectable or they have a short lasting, like, which is probably why you saw it wakes I don't know if they did anything, but. I remember I was trying to get legal steroids in Australia They're not sleeping for a couple days. When a guy's done steroids this whole life his endocrine system is fucked up already

1:37:11 I don't know why they did that and I know that I think they were threatening to sue him if he used the Gracie name Don't say anything. Just say tag label us was it What does it say on the bottom? It's there. Is that the name? Yes. I know. And he's like, if we are competing, when your tab bit's over, if we're fighting, when I'm Does he really? Rolling Stone magazine whoa

1:40:01 Do you think he would be willing to me was He was such an elite grappler, the Gary Tonan match. What a fucking match that was. Holy shit, man. Craziest shit ever. That was You know what I mean? But he just left the grappling world. and like circled around on Instagram Well, he was one of the very best of the leg lock guys in the early, early days. He was scary. We all copied him. He was a scary grappler too. Well, he was one of the very best of the leg lock guys in the early days

1:41:32 To fix them up. Nikki Ryan does. Man, Nikki Ryan gets injured every three minutes. You know what I mean? Does he? He's made of Yeah, doesn't Nikki ever fucked up knee Nikki Ryan Nikki Ryan does man Nikki Ryan gets injured every three minutes He didn't even rehab the thing. I'm like, bro, do something. Yeah, he's wild. Well, isn't that the case just like with so many elite combat sports athletes

1:43:32 because of the lack of blood circulation. If like, if you still have like a great VO2 max, you're still very fit and you're super suffered a what's called a insufficiency fracture where you're I know how to do it We but the heavier you are like the more fucking momentum is coming down lots of knee injuries skiing Like I would do everything to preserve my goddamn knees knees but he loves snowboarding so much he's

1:47:21 a finger. I'm like, yikes. Like tattoo artists tattoo out of surgeons. It's like, maybe don't train. and went straight up. So I go back and end up getting the x-ray need anything. But I mean, I just, Resisted on you. Yeah, really? I've had doctors not give me antibiotics, and then it's gone and tell you it's not stuff Maybe they'll give you something just to calm you down.

1:49:43 Getting what you want. he used to be a pharmaceutical rep. Yeah, it's fucking creepy. Not only did they bullshit people And they tricked people. lighting, Oxycontin and Oxycodone. That guy, they found him. Except she's in jail somewhere. I think you would My business partner Seth below I'm like he's doing all the coordination and stuff It's just like the timing of it. It's like when to do it. If you'd asked me, I would

1:53:57 Right. will, you know, to back biggie with I'm going down in Vegas, I just find it foolish. Yeah, I guess if you driven. They should have done rap battles. Yeah. But I mean, I still love ADCC. I love the love the history you know and I think you can wash that away. The doors are open for anything. if people are interested in it, Wouldn't have done it. Wow. Boy, they're probably going fuck.

1:56:52 do you think you and Gordon would ever bury the hatchet? That's like Michael Jordan in his prime. Yeah, Anderson Silva was that. Yeah, but you know what Jiu-Jitsu guys are like. No, I love them. I'm part of it, but... attacking each other like I say worse things to my friends and I say to Gordon There's no benefit to that because then you don't get to enjoy the laughs when someone makes fun of you

1:59:41 and they get like actually upset as a comedian all the other comedians be like oh It's like he's provoking me. other than Eddie. Overcome, yeah. look over and I'm like fuck that guy was at another seminar I said the same thing I'm like he knows people that are doing the sport, you know, and like I keep them at a really affordable three hours and then out of there. Otherwise it's too much social interaction, you know?

2:03:02 It's like I'll be hungover, jet lagged, and it'll be like, I'll do like, sometimes one hour, That's one of the legendary Hickson stories, think it'll break your spine. Yeah. I do it to people from Mount. I give them Mount and and nothing's happening. crossed his leg from back and oh no and I fucking remind him of it to this day. I'll send it to you.

2:05:21 positions sometimes helps. Well also being hyper aware of when the guy lifts his leg up to try Maybe people believe so you let them tap you a couple times a couple more, you know Yeah, some of guys try to kill you necks are a bad one too man when you get a hurt neck That titanium articulating disc now, Like, I'm like, let's just. injuries I control the security footage in the cameraman though so you know that I make

2:08:16 I hope it Sorry. I was like fuck we fucked up will commit to it. All right, beautiful. All right, man. Well, good luck and