Joe Rogan Experience #10162 — Belal Muhammad Transcript

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0:00 Need more hot takes? Head to the FanDuel Sportsbook app. They've got more ways to bet, more ways That's the best part right now. Now I can just talk as much as possible. they've been different right like yeah the Sean Brady all I did was stand up I You were in his face from the very first second of the very first round you just tell me to back up when he looked at Leon and say you ready, you ready? I'm walking forward right away.

2:52 punching him in his mouth and taking him down whenever I see an opening. The Kobe fight I thought was gonna be different. So it ended up being like a kickboxing match for Leon Yeah. And if I backed up at all, my coach is yelling at me, look what you did here. You did this wrong. kicks and then move forward on each of them And if I backed up at all my coaches yelling at me look what you did here

4:54 You were constantly on him. striker in the UFC right now. He's a 55 Ignacio Balmundes. Like this kid is a monster. He just enough to see everything and have my reaction time. And I think that helps a lot with the way You know if you don't want to wait we can give you Usman I'm calling my manager every day and Ali's my manager and he's like, bro, trust me, Dana's

7:13 Like why didn't I get the fight at 300 if they were trying to get Leon to fight at 300? But I think they just wanted to have that shock factor with 300, where it's oh double champ status for Islam or Hamzah is obviously a huge star he comes I didn't see anybody who's like a real solid MMA fan Well, not only that, you have a disparate, are you commenting on shit all the time?

9:06 You know I'm saying it's like the people that are engaged in these attacks on specific fighters in particular Yeah, so I mean, how weird was it to have to do the fight at like five in the morning? Bananas I was like that is so but one person yawns and it's like addictive. because they gave us like some jet lag, So it like shocks your body So by the time we finished working out at night,

12:22 and stuff like that. So then we would finish everything, Yeah, the second one. Yeah. and that made them adjust. Dirt it was like the fourth round and I think I got the last take down and I was like Now look at you, like you did that Yeah. but I think whatever you were doing is to get tired in the cage. Outrageous right but not doing that the crazy new stuff that's coming out. We do heavy weights and

16:16 chest and like dumbbells, chest and everything on that day. I mean I do a lot of swimming for my for like cardio wise and then people make it fun of me a lot doing it so I still like go there and I think I'm gonna go a mile and then I'll Complete arsenal of MMA weapons. He could stand he could take eyes down. He could strangle you, he could arm bar you, he could do everything. He could submit you off his back. And Frank was just

18:48 end but he won the heavyweight title it's funny how you say that the headbutt days i was i did I didn't realize there's still people out here that have that mindset. There's not a chance in hell they had a fight fight, a real fight, like an MMA fight. hard as fuck to be uh... ryan garcia hard as fuck to be a giovante davis I was like, yeah, don't you guys have a sportscaster or somebody that's going to interview me?

21:20 Yeah. So many people, way more people get it now It was like being involved in that was bad for your career never gonna be football. We can't beat football. They don't have any fucking rules. same again. Darren Till, when he could make 170, and dude, he was dangerous. and then you go back to the gym, your confidence deflated. You look at, Everybody just thinks about that Jake Paul fight.

25:13 Especially guys like Woodley where he was he was one of the best to ever do it one of the best Wonder Boy never hurt Tyron. back then when he knocked out Lawler with one punch like holy shit Tyron could crack people Cause he brought in like Sage Northcutt best front leg sidekick in the business. And he also throws that round kick off the front leg over

27:19 How you doing? know 20 fights in I'm sure 30 fights in yeah and got and really gotten into MMA They know what to do with the body can't do it you're not at wrestling practice then you're not gonna be at sparring practice. was a bunch of those guys in the early days of the UFC just didn't quite pick Right. Yeah, and Mike Brown just mauled him just mauled him. That was Mike Brown in his prime who was a scary motherfucker

30:14 You don't want to get him motivated. Yeah, he's the boogeyman. I feel like there's some and got off the drugs and just became performance freaks. I live with Jared Gordon for three years together. He's like my best friend same situation Don't know why man. They're like not playing any fucking games. You know guys that have almost died because of his mind, his discipline, his drive, his determination, his skill set. I mean he

32:54 Yeah, it was just I was so intimidated I think you'd get a trade with Francis. that also, like Connor even, amazing power, where you're calling out John Jones, right? Gustafson he had almost no training camp. They said he barely showed up like you know I talked to Who's like, I'm gonna show you what the fuck is really up. Gone is like one of the most exciting guys on the feet. He's so athletic in that style.

35:56 kick yeah nobody nobody kicks like him and he hurt Bam Bam with that right he Gahn's this elite striker, incredible lateral movement, You know The only guys who's ever beaten him was You know there's nobody better with distance than John the best And I couldn't see out of my eye and I'm trying to blink it out and then the cut man Tate, cause I thought it was just a scratch cornea or something,

38:15 I read pay-per-view and everybody's like posting pictures I'm not doing absolutely nothing and I have to be like this How hard is it to sleep like that and I'm a back sleeper too. So I hate sleeping on my front on my stomach So I would like see like a little black dot inside of my eye and I'm still training. I'm like, because if he had known right away when he went in to check it that it was a detached retina

41:25 That guy's crazy. I fought in Abu Dhabi my first time there when Khabib fought Dustin Poirier and then know Yair is like one of those guys like yo you better stop thinking about Yeah, that's the best kind of sparring that sometimes it leaves openings for the eyes to like take him down and hold them Yeah, I we literally like do this in the gym where it's like, alright

44:15 It'll make you want to conserve your energy and stuff. Grappling strength where he would get a hold of guys and he'd be like what is happening here? He got to Kamaru's back. He got fucked because he had Kamaru's back and Kamaru's only loss up to that point was very naked choke in his first fight And he got fucked. You got a 30% chance of shaking him off. You're stuck. You got a good chance of holding off

46:37 and he's finally gotten a hold of this guy. because crowd's booing right now. exactly what position you were in at the end of the round. The fight starts standing so in that perceived that distance where the striker has his advantage Let's look at this again. now he's he's pretty deep Camaro does not want that. And he's closer to doing like a twister, a standing twister.

49:39 So the wizard is still holding that left arm in place. stops him Wow and this is the first round when they're still driving bro in He might not have fought his way out of that clinch. He's trying to get movement out of him. Yeah, you want him to make the mistake. Yeah, it's Maybe his confidence goes down a little bit. You know, that's why it's so incredible when

51:46 And to get all past that and get to the title. Started fiction this and now it just like made me the fighter I am today like you know BJ Penn is a good example that in my opinion I always put BJ in It was nuts, man. They never saw him fight. It's not possible. what does he weigh now? He's, Throwing me around and I'm just like getting murdered and my coach tells me hey

54:52 I made a promise to my mom. You know and GSP All right. Let me take a year off not do nothing Just a freak accident that could happen to anybody. forgot. They forgot. They only see Tony Ferguson now when he got knocked out by Chandler. They And they hold to it like Khabib or like Andre Ward. Andre Ward's another one, goes out on So here's a guy, Olympic gold medalist, two division world champion, speaks perfectly.

57:57 So now he can't say, yeah, he's got to say don't listen to that one. Why yes is a crazy story, but hemi canelo would be crazy whoo that would have been crazy And Canelo's like, give me $200 million. I don't think that power carries quite as much with those bigger guys. It's a little bit of a step big money fight. Like what is the big money funny? Canelo's the big money fight. You know,

1:00:19 Let's just do this for his paycheck and then move on I think when they get to a certain level and they realize they only have a few fights left, That's the John Jones effect with steve, right? Here's the thing about heavyweights. But my point is that like heavyweight fighters, I think because there's not as much movement, Francis knocks him out. 2021 dude

1:02:52 knew probably for the last year and a half, I'm just studying one guy for a year and a He was fucking scary as shit, dude Yeah. Huge mistake. If he's not the best, it's you and him for the best, and he knows how fucking dangerous Ilya is. So you're taking a fight on 10 days notice. what do you weigh brother? now on his feet which is a new addition over the last X amount of years. His stand up has

1:06:45 Cause he submits people, Like remember when we tapped out Drew Dover? It's so funny because Habib will get guys in there Like at some point. and I was like, Jesus, please tap Michael. It's never the same again. Yeah, no matter what they're gonna screw things in there and bolt things all your muscles have been cut You see that guy Mikey Musumechi fought in one FC

1:09:47 Oh, he's going that way with it. Oh my god. The dude never tapped the dude got his leg destroyed and never fucking tapped. He's Crazy demonstration, but that poor guy. I mean I gotta think his, what kind of When Eddie went to Abu Dhabi, But leg locks in jujitsu tournaments were booed. You got to choke people some people just they don't want to tap and they just go to sleep and that's okay

1:12:21 Oh my god, and nobody knew who Marcelo was that was what was crazy. The RutoLo brothers are so good, man. And these guys just went at it. I don't like that ring. It's fun. It's like something different. and I think it should be on a basketball court, That would be epic, no time limit. and extend the lever like a mitten, Yeah. Second thing I would do,

1:15:01 or whatever you're gonna do. and he's on top and he's got his hand on your bicep. That's stupid. Yeah started more Why? Because that's how it is in boxing, they come out of their corner, who fucking cares? You don't want to be held down, he's holding you down. that's real if you keep going into that fucking danger zone, they take a point away. If you get kicked in the nuts, take a point away. You get poked

1:17:21 and Wonderboy like to be able to catch those guys in a basketball court Wow hard channel Malley. Yeah great for them, too It's wild but that mentality is why that camp produces so many assassins. I was very impressed with Umar work right and that's fine if you're doing a podcast you just say it again So after Marab, I think he's gotta get that shot.

1:19:20 And I was like he's elite. Yeah, he's super elite. You know, I think about San Hagan one thing I think about is But he still beat him that guys had so many fucking injuries if you imagine TJ Henen Barao was the pound for pound considerate of number one fighter in the world when he and well thought out striking systems I've ever seen. like a lot of Muay Thai, a lot of Dutch kickboxing style,

1:21:41 and all these patterns that they would get guys to lead He looked like an Auschwitz concentration camp survivor. He's big. Yeah, it's cool. Because he was on EPO. Right. It's like that changed your whole career. If you're Cody. It does. It does change your whole career Don't fucking do that. So all his mass is down, all the muscle that's protecting his shoulders, which are, you know,

1:24:28 Because you started cutting at that young. So bad for you. Who knows what could do to this, the future of your life. Chef with me for like this last five weeks Bro, you're not going to train. Like get on the scale. So I won't look at it. Like nobody's got to eat disorder like Patty. Oh my God. And I thought that fight, to me, man, I felt he was landing the big shots.

1:27:57 yeah excuse me King King that's why I love that dude. Change his name to King. to shoot on him. Yeah over there Someone's gonna be a big name. Yeah, that's gonna be a big game. So he's thinking right now about Islam I would, but like for money-wise, Islam because Gamroth was supposed to be the backup and he just lost to Hooker. But Islam Dustin becomes the man.

1:31:04 Ripping shots before the end of the round. He's a bad motherfucker How how can you bounce back? How do you bounce? Can you bounce back and be the same guy after you got caught? Like my I don't have no scratches or anything. I didn't go through a 15 minute war so I'm like, let me get another fight Which is whoo. That's a bad fight. If you just got knocked out just a few months ago

1:33:20 Not a easy fight is funny cuz he was on your show and I'm like listen to him and he's like Yeah, right if you think has Racketsich fought since Yuri beat him up? No. Okay, so that kind of doesn't make sense a little bit. Yeah. He was a light heavyweight champion in the fucking world and a destroyer I'm like, so I went to my coach. I'm like, what kind of low-kick was he doing?

1:35:58 And he tapped it. Unbelievable, man. Oh, the desert. beats all these guys. I mean, he's beaten a lot of guys. You know, Rockage has had a long time off of the Prohaska fight, and Rockage looked real good in that fight but Rockets is fucking dangerous as shit man you know Rockets had a long time off of the Pahoska fight and Rockets look real good in that

1:37:35 He doesn't ever go shin to shin and even when he checks he doesn't go shin to shin. And he's feeling like he's like on every pay-per-view now. Stylistically, yes That's like his left hook I put to sleep like even after he beat Izzy he just walked away from him the referee stopped the fight When he comes out with the bow and arrow, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

1:40:19 And the music He makes a little hop step and then he goes right back to fighting and he catches him with the left hook And I guarantee you he won't relax now. And I think it opened up a lot of fighters' eyes too, right? You can never relax. Uppercut elbow, you're like, what was this? My god, his kicks are so nasty. Yeah, there's it's so interesting to see all these different ways to get elite

1:43:15 I didn't do martial arts since I was a kid, I was 23. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's way behind the curve I mean, I would always get in like street fights in like So it was always the best. So then I just like messaged him on Facebook and I was like, bro, you're a fighter. And he's like, yeah, I was like, what ever happened to you? like falling in love with it. And after my first amateur fight, I was after like two months, I was

1:45:46 It was like nothing good about my technique or anything, but it's funny cuz mark Coleman was a commentator for it I'll go back to school after I lose. and he won the million dollars in 30 seconds with a knockout. A boost is good. So even with me, when I was doing all this, It's just a zombie And I was like... Abuse see there's a low kick, his low kicks are nasty.

1:48:28 boom oh my god the distance he covered with that left hook and it's like a boost Yeah, he hopped in there. No, go back a little bit further, please. got to him and he just wasn't quick enough. They never gave him a shot. Oh, that's crazy always point to Bernard Hopkins. Everybody wrote Bernard Hopkins off which was fucking dangerous, man. Yeah, they were trying to kill him. Yeah, you can't do that. Yeah, you told me the whole story was hilarious

1:51:30 lost against him in the next fight that's how good Chad was. Chad was a Maybe he wants one more shot at it. Maybe his body can do one more fight. I don't know. He looks great on the mitts, but that doesn't mean that you know as much as I know. on the bag, I'm gonna see what you could do. you know, you've got a combination worked out, Can you spar? Would they bring in a world-class heavyweight? Can you do that?

1:54:00 I would want to see rounds, you know, I want to see rounds. Bro, he was so fast, so fast and always moving, always moving, As you had a smoke you're a 13 year old and you see that guy. What oh, yeah, I have you're like what the fuck Fuck all this. it was, there's some starstruck moments. We meet people like oh shit Wow, really? Do you know who sent it?

1:56:59 They weren't really interested no disrespect to any of those guys Remember a lot of times people wouldn't want to buy Mike Tyson pay-per-views because they knew the fights would be over so yeah Just a head moving an inside is just wild that I would recommend 100%. I don't know how you could do it if you're 58, It's just how much does he wanna do it?

1:59:14 I'm gonna feel bad if he gets knocked out. on his readiness. Reacting to Paul's taunting Tyson's need to postpone the fight because of That sound coming out of his voice would be like. took him in when he was 13 years old. He had this terrible childhood, no love, just in and out of trouble, terrible, bad situation, I mean, this guy's an all-time great and he's 13.

2:01:07 learning mental preparation he was learning how to put himself into a He's a very good boxer. like you said, he's a YouTuber. Mike Perry is the best at that shit. human pitbull. That's a 100% human pitbull. That guy has no quit him, no quit. length. But he decided to take a challenge and fight Mike Perry bare knuckle because McGregor like owner part of it now, too

2:04:34 In bare-knuckle boxing, those guys are getting grimy. There's a lot of dirty boxing in there. They stop a lot of shit. like you don't even want to throw is hard, right? Yeah, if you punch something like that on purpose to the eyeball like that's that's real point. It should be trained. Like even at our practices, if somebody's putting their shouldn't have felt like that. I'm like, bro, when you did poke him in the eye, but he's saying like I shouldn't have felt like that

2:07:09 the fight in that round. Imobov. Yeah. some good shots for sure. Jared's definitely getting hit, but he's firing back and the Even if you're moving away and covering up to be able to come back. time even when taking punches. Everybody's baffled by Drikus. Oh my god. Like what is going on? And then all of a sudden you see him still have a lot left in the tank.

2:10:28 He went right to the choke right to the choke and cinched it up Philosophy that the most important thing was your gas BJ hated it. Have you ever seen Marv Marinovich? He was telling me that it's really an elite fighter that's fighting in a world championship fight. Here's BJ training with the Marinovich's so it's all these plyometrics even with the arms

2:13:21 he's sort of admitting to being injured but not well they clash ends a bunch of And then me and my coach were in the back warming up. So then after the fight, we went, And like you said, it's so much random stuff that could happen to you. Because I like to spar in the back before the fight. Right before the fight, we just like clashed knee to knee. And it's, like you said, it's so much random stuff

2:14:38 like it's my third or fourth round. So they're big gloves on and like I get to the point where I hit me cuz I want to feel it That's why I make him wear a headgear. Too but yeah, there's not a lot of guys that just I know a lot of guys adrenaline right so like if I do those extra two rounds in the back it's not gonna affect me. And you're going into

2:17:10 to hype myself up, but, So I'll just get it through that. and I did this type of drilling beforehand. What did I eat today? Yeah, what's the stuff that makes you feel the best? practices with this way. But my mind said, I don't really care because I was just like, I know how to So I wake up at 5 a.m. and I can't eat or drink in the morning. So I wake up at

2:19:31 It feels good, honestly, because it makes you feel like mentally And you know, God's gonna give you the strength when I can't eat. I have my shakes have my protein that I'm getting it right way it gives me more leeway to be like, no, I want, I want to wait a little bit longer. Come on, you can beat him like I know you work out all the time and you start thinking yeah

2:22:06 like I ain't scared, I'll say yes to anything. oh, he's afraid, he doesn't wanna fight. So then I'm like, I do wanna fight, I'm not afraid of you. So then like started chirping on Twitter like oh, he's afraid he's want to fight So then I'm like I do want to fight. I'm not afraid of you You have to think about the overall big picture. And no one, don't fight injured.

2:23:38 that win right and then for me it's like when I lost my fight I was like all right I got to I know I should never took this fight in between rounds. think it's Shavkat because he is undefeated he is the guy that everybody Right after being Leon, everybody's comments, was his whole camp that one. I think who smiles are tougher fights in shop got if I'm being honest, but I do see

2:26:13 and the strategy that we bring to fighting. It's like I look at guys and I look at fights in a different way than a lot of these other fighters where some of these That was close. between two top of the Fuji and guys. It seems wrong to have that fight. I'm like that's a wild close fight between two top of the food Jane guys It seems wrong to have that fight three rounds, especially for number one contender status. Yeah, it

2:28:05 It's what happens if Islam decides to go to 170 And it's against our uke and who's the top of the food chain. Yeah, I got 155 pound division. Whoo it's Yeah. yeah, I mean I would put on muscle but like in general I've trained with a lot of 85ers and I feel like should be there hams that still there.'s still there that people aren't even really talking about anymore.

2:29:55 And then my coach put him on a scale, he's like 218. But he's so, he's young and he's huge. Just training with him, Yeah, people forget man. It's like even Gary different sports as well, you know, but his whole thing is plyometrics and foot strength and your He just loves sparring. It's these guys like but he doesn't get hit much the reason why he's so good at that first of all that style

2:33:05 Yeah, I was shocked at that fight, but that was a good example of how hard he is to hit There's some guys that they have a fight, Is he triumped? Is he has the best celebrations? Was I not as good as I thought I was? And you get dry humped. Yeah. When Izzy dry humped him. In the moment? Do you think we ever see the third one? leg I don't know what like what kind of coaching you have. Right. Because that

2:35:57 It's the only time it spars light Aspinall's a solid 255 and I think he's a black belt as well yeah yeah wicked on of the world. It's wild, man. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a blessing, right? Like just thinking Yeah. It's like, ugh. everybody wants to come see you now. So we're just chilling. streets in Manchester. And they said like, they said the streets got like shut

2:39:10 a lot of the gyms I was messing out there were like, staying up with us at 4 a.m. That's great. That's beautiful. told you so like I told you I could beat Leon. me to have like to be able to wear the title right and to like be able to carry For for me to stick with them and for us to do it together from the start So yeah, a lot of it just comes back down for my people in general.

2:42:05 in general if I get to They literally had smoke and everything. It was wild. Hopefully it's in the US so you can come and commentate it. Yeah, hopefully. All right, well congratulations.