Joe Rogan Experience #1021 — Russell Brand Transcript

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0:00 4, 3, 2, 1 where you're just gently touching your fingers together. yeah you know yeah otherwise You know, I'm here. I'm in the world. I'm Like, even if you're not there, it's going on. particularly if you question those systems and structures and think, things that makes me sad about our times is if you don't have economic and productive value His name is Heinmo. He lives in the, I believe it's the

3:42 It's very strange because we're attracted to these people, like to just go, okay, what do you do all day, man? we don't get in our everyday world so we're never like completely even whereas he is just At least that's what chimpanzees do. for days you know i think about this when people make these desperate attempts to connect through could be sort of suburban. It's a bit like swinging

6:25 because you wake up and you've got to do your job and you've got a screen in front of you and you're right I'm going to try and get an island and fuck this I'm not going to participate I think it's like, right, I'm going to try and get an island and fuck this. I'm not going to participate. I think it's like, right, what, you know, we are nature. bubbling up man i was in the airport traveling to here and i was in new york and like just the

8:04 just about management and not about giving people truth. it's almost inevitable we've created this incredible way where we can get food to people you know and what's the right attitude to take about this many of those benefit a particular aspect of the system a a particular class, a particular strata, a particular economic class. I mean, mostly. i don't think oh god this is such a mess what i think is is that we're trying to inhabit systems that are not designed for us to live within and i think that yeah people are

12:00 Again, I'm not poor no more. collaborative artistic imaginative beautiful people but we've created systems around the This is how we want them to run. And I think you should probably start a cult. So you could be the doom and gloom guy today. better society. I agree with that, mate. But I also think that what's important in the world I think that what Trump is, what Brexit is, is a big fuck you to the system.

15:53 new systems. Why is this happening? We're not all we don't have all have this disease, but some of us most certainly do Fuck you. it's all fight club right they're just looking to get punched in the face they're looking to go If everybody just isolates, it's all going on around you. I'm just going to ride this out. lifestyle of oh fuck it I've got a century

19:29 doing this university degree religion in global politics in fact this thing happened what happened things that mean something to me a big part of that was like right you know doing you know in And when I try to do the stuff back, it doesn't work, ross mate you'd love him on yours actually he was a diplomat in the foreign service around the time Anarchy means devolved power to the smallest possible groups,

22:02 cheese grater on the sole, that's the phenomena just talking about the economics, although Marx was we could. I think we could. We've got the stuff now. abandonment of capitalism. It's like, let's go this Soviet Union or China. Terrible, terrible beings that have ever lived ever there's a lot of negative about it a hundred I know there's loads of good things about capitalism.

24:18 in the 50s and the technological revolution will mean your work i have an hour a day you know like Some people say we want total sexual freedom. really the reason why they're doing it is they're trying to suppress their own urges and desires. You're in it. hang on a minute it is possible to be happy it is possible to be contented move that wants attention and wants people to love me and buy my book and take care of my interests but

27:18 desires. What interests them? What they would like to do for their career, for their life, for their craft. Because I heard someone say, we exist in dialectic, which means we exist in relationship and conversation but that together we can create supportive, compassionate, loving communities. I do do that. The serpent, the snake within, can become crowned. It can become royal.

30:01 And I only feel them retrospectively. A lot of people love it. Sure. What's the industrial component? because there was a moment where I had you inside control. it and what's interesting about it is that the more time you put into it the more you understand Brilliant. Well, MMA I always describe as high-level problem-solving because the consequences are not nearly as grave.

33:51 Yeah. No, I don't watch those. I mean, what you're seeing is these new approaches. possibilities and potential and there's so many different ways to approach it. So watching videos online is like watching a video of Alan Watts talking. and possibilities and about possibilities He didn't intend it to race against a la Ferrari solution out there. And these little pieces all fit together slowly but surely and create this mosaic of ideas and potential.

37:36 even things I've heard on this podcast. but now having less and less ground to stand on. ancient people knew something that we are struggling to understand. that 12-step you're not gonna fall back i've just read a fucking book about that that's a whole book You have to surrender. You don't need their advice or their sanctioning. I know that this is not all of it.

40:35 Is the concern that if you fell into it, by this system. at a time when people are struggling with ideologies at a time when people are struggling there's something you want to change and like that could be i'm a smackhead pretty obvious then or Of course it could. And again, as I've heard on one of my own podcasts, talk about love kindness togetherness but these are the dominant things in our lives that's what's

43:33 and you can change your patterns, you can make amends for your past, He was trying to discover what is truth, what is reality. That's not really discussed much in the 12-step program though is it because You hear this again and again from people choose between having a conscious program and an unconscious program if you're not working in a You know, I think it's really important that you said earlier about there's no political

46:05 Yes, that's right I think it's pretty clear what that system delivers. I live in mischief, I live in the madness open the conversation up for someone to say hold on a minute i think we've just left out love And he was, he sent me this text message of a conversation that he had with Dr. Rick Strassman. And that the tipping of the apple cart and the positive thing about having someone like Donald Trump.

49:37 chaos ego putting his name on buildings and and then we're realizing that both of these are beings. You know, all of that idea. and here's a personal theory that the reason that idolatry is bad like that it comes like you know This is a country of 70,000 villages. had flow, Malcolm X did prison What I think is that we can't have a popularity contest

52:51 So yeah, the apple cart's going over. A clearing in the forest. noah's flood is still happening we are the majority of the earth is still flooded in water these we like the Amazon Jeff Bezos guy, that that is going to corrupt people. First of all, that we have cause to celebrate in the current game they are literally capitalists are literally living in the moment

55:35 I've got a yacht. like these are quests biochemical drives as you have just described that compel us to move forward and to survive and power and prestige see the reason i think this system works outside of Do you also feel that like less concentrating on yourself and less being self-obsessed and as well as it being something that is developing your human potential.

59:25 I think that's very important. that are a similar beginner level there's moments of real intensity within it but afterwards a sense the adulation of others. campaign to save a housing estate a couple of years back like these women asked me to help And knowing that my role in this is to make sure that I don't slip into the egomania again because I would love to be a cult leader on some days.

1:01:55 And I never met anybody who doesn't vacillate at least a little bit. you would not rely on one person to be perfect you recognize everyone is fallible but together It's hard to find someone in traffic, though. if i tend towards that better 50.1 as opposed to the 49 then i'm becoming a progressive agent or a have a much better way of communicating based on the learning and growth if we survive,

1:04:25 you know i mean there's i mean and i was saying this about donald trump like someone was writing Not even to point him out, tendency in your life? Oh, absolutely. And you know, one of the things that's helped tremendously It's like if you you know You could kind of apply it to everything else if you spend right is that it's sort of an accelerated form of it it's like uh if you you

1:06:11 Get better at being loving. I think one of the most important things to realize is all the interactions that we have on your own way of approaching it wasn't a loving figure in my life as long as i hold on to that belief i'm trapped by it the minute i i'm already doing you know i mean in terms of like just sheer numbers of hours in the day airline travel you have input you have a very conscious that my thing at the

1:09:28 That's it. That's my responsibility. I have to figure it out. Yeah. and I found myself on TV shows where you're just breaking down? and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Five minutes later, tin cans are rolling down the aisle. Give them no room. See, if you take the actual jujitsu out of it, I'm brilliant at jujitsu. Yes. It's a bad motherfucker.

1:12:27 I heard never teach a man to fight who doesn't know how to that I did wrong in my political campaigning where I flawed and fell into my ego I do a good long bit about the God is in the house you know baby is meant i've been reborn to myself but a lot of it's about recognizing the limits because i or anything where you like really have to push think that's important part I think there's a freeing aspect in pushing

1:15:05 you you realize who you are you feel yourself for who you really are as opposed to like what needs to be decoded and i think you're right that in physical exercise is And that's where people get it wrong. They're not strong, but they're in there grinding. He was old. Yeah, that's pretty cool, isn't it? Because this is what this machine is designed to do.

1:18:18 because your job is to stand on the line or in that... to justify spending eight hours plus a day, consciousness and what you said if that one idea can change the world very quickly and that's why And he said, like, when you're talking like this, if you start saying hey why don't we not pay our mortgages hey everyone let's not pay tax That's a weird world that very few people exist in.

1:21:08 and art maybe you know you're still connected to the source but when it's like you know tech and And look at it now. Fucking hell. The British Empire was always about East India trade and all that kind of crap. You start to forget we were once warriors. Where is it? I get it. Keep talking. They didn't ask me, but I sort of thought, Is it important to you?

1:24:27 That's what it was. is because sometimes people say, look, you don't have to do this, Well, it's because somebody might be a pain in the ass to you, and you might just be giving in to it. It made me look at my own motivations. later show me videos of what went on and i think it was a stag do, and they were carrying on like idiots, You know, that's a small evolution in the way that I walk the path a small amendment down the line maybe i will ask again yeah actually joe could you sort

1:26:39 i like to find the story what am i meant to learn here what am i meant to do here what did i learn from being a rung of staring at social media the whole time or the rung of hatred of others or the rung of being caught in bad relationships and a crap job. and doing things wrong and fucking up and what can you learn from them? No one, no one. Yeah, that's right.

1:29:35 these wonderful experiences and encounters but within it this kind of ongoing seam of loneliness the fact that it's preventing me It takes a while to spot that. Well toxic, well toxic, exciting and brilliant, that it will ever fulfill me, It's a brilliant, brilliant thing. aren't people going you know you're an influential figure, you're unusual. Young males, for example, not knowing how to use their bodies.

1:32:26 by communicating in a way and you're driving your car, Right. And I do meet a lot of people in England that go, otherwise I get bored if I only talk to comedians or only talk to MMA fighters is he a great athlete is he a combination of all those things what does he mean for the sport of afterwards with the same guy, like the Nate Diaz fight. he's incredibly smart and uh very he's very innovative in his techniques and his approaches

1:36:28 Peacocking you say He can kind of strut John Cavanaugh is coach against the greatest boxer of all time. It was very brilliant on Mayweather's part. round on and just completely outclassed him. And yet, I feel, although he clearly lost, he performed admirably. And maybe for now, maybe someone else will come along in the next year or two that does it.

1:39:01 see in the UFC someday. That was like four years ago. Oh my god. At the most. sport athlete, not just of today. it seems like you're in Dublin. fight was being held, Mandalay Bay was packed bumper to bumper with Irishmen walking down Like Dennis Hopper said about Van Gogh, But it's obviously resonating in a very, very powerful way to have that kind of devotion.

1:41:05 I understand. again is to do with unconsciousness i don't think people go like a con like are aware of these kind You know, but there's also some flavour is being caught. a car or a coffee or whatever it is one of the key ingredient is make people feel not good enough kicked in, actually. Caffeine is a drug. Beautiful. And the deafening roar of the Irish in that arena when that happened, it was fucking insane.

1:45:01 Yes, this is true. these civil rights leaders we mentioned before malcolm x knew he was going to die for doing that maybe not ultimately, but at least seemingly, It energizes it all. taken to the arts because there's more sensitivity it's more cerebral and it's less embodied you The machine can handle it. to spread wealth throughout the Philippines and hands out money to people. And he's famously generous in that regard.

1:48:22 You're criticizing the money. dollars it is a part of the story he is sitting on a throne on a pile of gold. He does have a crown. He has a crown on his fucking neck. I understand that with know with money you can But ultimately, the dominant thing, the dominant puppet ear, the thing pulling the strings is the dollar. I mean, it's part of what he's done by by creating this in incredible

1:51:25 pioneers and then we go through the sort of the phase of yeah you're right it goes through the into that nas remains one of the best lyricists of all time remains brilliant all of his rap Is how like sort of cultural movements start off it seems by saying it's 540 for the two cans i may as well do the dmt now i'm almost there so like um what i'm saying is is that

1:54:19 making he is great nars is great like in theain, great, great, great, great, great. But ultimately, you great, me great. not as it has been in recent days by tragedy, death and blood, But there are people at the top of that chain that are siphoning a significant amount of money out of all of those little industries. And then you need people to organize the pay-per-view.

1:56:05 And then there's the guy who just threw it all away for money and never realized his full potential, which is equally sad. If you don't have John Cavanaugh, you don't have the straight blast gym, It's so fraught with peril to be the one that so much lies upon. And everybody goes fucking crazy. The money is a side effect of greatness. That shit on that son of a bitch. My point is...

1:58:12 Woo! But let me say this. As Conor McGregor pulling his dick out and taking a piss in a punch bowl. just money. It's more than just a system. when he was working as this guy. He figured out in the world when the pressure was at its highest I'm not freaked out about it now hold on but when you say about the way that systems are I think you spend a lot of time thinking about the elites and the 1% and the systems.

2:01:06 of greatness or the realization of god in inverted commas given this is the ancient I shouldn't say as intense as anything because there's not a word that I could say that's going to come out of my mouth that's going to do it justice. You're experiencing something Right, right. Fucking hell. no subject object there is only oneness now you yourself just said is about starts to feel like

2:03:14 believe in and yet when it comes to our systems for organizing this plane that we live on the Well, I think we will. And even the role of the shaman, I mean, that's an important point. of this conversation it's like like you said earlier there's the potential for good and the And there was a ton of people that were doing the same, a ton of people that were donating their time and their money,

2:05:51 That all these people were being completely altruistic. this incredible natural disaster trigger. But there's no one that pulled the trigger But that's only 50% of my point. Like, so this guy, like, so the shooter, like, of course, we all have individual culpability. if like if if i have an experience in here where I walk out feeling intimidated, all these things are rewarded because we do understand that those do enforce

2:09:03 And we've all experienced that. we're going to fuck up and fail all the time but that we're heading in that direction together instead of what we have which is a system that's about make as much fucking You've escaped it. I don't think they should even be working there. A lot of questions. back to it, there he is. It's beautiful. I sort of even agree with that.

2:11:33 individual can pull communities together it's sort of like it's not a binary choice i know the world's because there is all this energy, there's all this power and i think it's a shame that it gets siphoned Like a cultural system. educated i've luckily turned up at university lately i'm tripping on that fucking coffee man a clock there yeah but they're all

2:13:23 tune in what With a dream, You're out of order. Hold on a minute, I don't want to end on that. Yeah, you're good. Don hypocrisy? Can I do away? Go ahead. Hold on a minute. It's beautiful. Oh, yeah, yeah. i knew about his restaurant because uh friends with everlast and everlast goes to that sweet hurting my ears. Have you ever seen that they My point is that his music never went commercial.

2:15:45 he's sold out, but. You all right? Joe Rogan. It's good. in this constant cyclone of self-obsessive thought and the outside world seems somehow We're on this sort of riverbank. of new emerging models of masculinity, have sort of covered it better, Do you think so? The thing is, You know, Download your podcast.