Joe Rogan Experience #1022 — Eric Weinstein Transcript

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0:00 do do do do do do do Angelina Jolie and Yeah, I mean, I think it does speak to the idea that power really exists Yeah. Ah, the cuttlefish. This conversation about a giant cuttlefish. And you've got these tiny or smaller males who don't have a good strategy for keeping a lot of females underneath them. which might be called sneaker males. And we've now proven, I believe, that these sneaker males inseminate the females while the larger males are getting duped.

4:28 You know, definitely females favor a variety of strategies, I didn't know we would be starting out with Harvey Weinstein and giant cuttlefish. So cephalopods, including cuttlefish, octopods, squids. And they know every crazy thing that cephalopods have been proven to understand. that are effectively made out of the chromatophores. Well, not really.

7:30 Huh. Well, I mean, there's definitely a distinction. for people that are opposed to eating animal protein that mollusks, But I've heard it argued, and actually Sam Harris is the first one to bring it up, think if you ever look at humboldt squid um you know schooling and descending as one of the great how savage chimpanzees are as compared to, say, bonobos or gibbons?

11:18 But there's an interesting system in dung beetles but enormous bodies and giant fangs and little tiny one-inch penis. But the question about, I also worry that we've idealized the bonobos too much. Anytime you bring sentimentality, uh, and you usually screw up a good theory. It's always unfun to be, you know, low status. you know, if you assume that we carry some sort of Judeo-Christian baggage,

15:11 through this brutal game and advancing and evolving along the way to the point where someday I do think that despite our barbarism, And his response was, I think, brilliant. But really, you really want to fight over like things that neither of us care about. Well, because I want to see more copies of myself. number of people you've never met. That's what I understand. Like why? I don't understand the

17:52 So, if my wife has two Brown alleles, I'm going to give it to you. Let's just flip a coin. People like you, of course, are. new organism that you're for a human being right I'm gonna start from scratch there's there's a lot of I think that a lot of things that we thought were going to require music is also intensely creative and emotive right it it it sparks feeling in humans and i don't think

21:57 Here's the rules. I'll take the other half of that. Because I'm going to go to cryotherapy after this. Right. song what about more complex creative and sort of improvisational song like Voodoo Child from Hendrix. So I don't know about Voodoo Child from Hendrix. it down a half step which has to do with this tritone substitution and the symmetry inside of

24:59 sort of just instinctual well first of all when you're visited by an alien intelligence we went And the fact that he imparts more into one note. And I just did this one for an old tweet of mine where I wrote a Python program that actually runs from the tweet. they doing? Fixing the roof? Put a fucking tarp up there, assholes. The guy even asked to figure that out on its own.

28:31 Do you remember Peter Frampton? nose could be on or off that's one degree of freedom you can have vocalization on or off V. Then your tongue can be in one of five positions and it can be fully elevated, half elevated or not elevated at all. Okay, but like in terms of if you take the collection of all major instruments It's got a lot of sympathetic strings.

31:11 Wow. Who hasn't? It almost died out. Remember that? Yeah. Like, I'm a fan of Dollar Mendy. They could be totally corny. He's got a badass... Yeah, he got arrested. like white slavery. Well, that's not good. Yeah, he got arrested. You know, weird countries like that, they can get away with a lot of shit. but tabla is the sort of How do you know all this stuff?

36:54 And so you're just, isn't it weird how we just choose like a certain series of instruments that represent rock and roll, um you know the clarinet was lost to jazz It used to be this incredibly dominant instrument. the kick-ass instrument. Yeah. Most people think of it as something you're forced to take in high Aren't they into the ukulele? hey, how do you keep these fucking things from wandering all over the place?

39:16 how to, like what we think of as classic hawai Hawaiian music is played with a ukulele. That's what Wikipedia says. Oh, so they brought it to Hawaii, the very guys who made it? fucked up happens, you go to the person's Wikipedia page What's amazing also is there's only one Snopes. You're distressed about... and does not really pay attention sometimes.

41:57 So I'm sort of feeling like I'm witnessing the battle for whether any authority exists at all. So, you know, the difference between think versus whistleblower It doesn't work because of the emotional shading. So that people who are too busy to sort things out say, well, you know, I neither condemn nor condone. You're really not paying attention. So let's go through the craziness here.

45:19 translates to Nazi right and so you have these very strange chains on the left where Republican keeps bleeding into Well, I think he coined alt-right. a lot of people who are tired of being told what to think and who to be And so the whole idea is like, frog is used just for a goof it's the vast majority is like feels good man type things maybe you have the swastikas, you know,

48:30 It's a reverse swastika. When is it like, you know, that symmetry pattern? You know, what if it was a swastika? And symbols are so huge for us. It used to be Gay Old Time. The Flintstones, they had a gay old time. Mischief? There was no Sanuk in it, you know? we'd seen all these weird pictures of like ladies in, Oh, means so she takes she uses hashtag selfie and somebody else takes the picture yeah it's a

52:16 when it's not a selfie at all. Well, fuck me. I'm an asshole. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Yeah, you flush the birds out with dogs. Exactly. But we're learning Cephalopods. They're like sneaker males they're like sliding in closer to proximity to the to the females by It's that fucking gene pull, man. the argument that people always make for why um some people find like subsistence living like

54:51 they're actually related to that woman, Jewel. But it's oddly comforting. No, I like to do it in little bursts. I like sitting down with electricity. I think it's a super old picture of it. And somehow or another, she escaped. Are they good for you? Oh yeah. In some sort of a way, right? Really? And it is without question the most mosquito ridden place I've ever been in my life.

57:57 Yeah, he's like a PhD in differential geometry Wow Really? he can do mathematics why does he not notice them because you've been there for 30 yeah wow i mean One thing about Alaska that's fantastic is the mosquitoes are fucking rabid. That's legitimately what it's like we opened up the door yeah to the car and within three to five seconds there was a

59:53 Okay. You have to look in to see if it's lit, right? Get out. I, I'm so glad I did this show. I mean, it's amazing. It makes, uh, being in It's like they go to like come check it just to try it out. They have a large He's got like pouches on the side of the And I don't know if it's something you want to breathe in all the time. Because there is some sort of stuff you're obviously breathing in.

1:03:02 they always helped people, turn people into fucking superheroes Yeah, I mean, that's the thing about having this ethical, moral stance Yeah, but that's the problem. Right. And Putin is trying to drag him back to Russia by stealing the homes from his family, stealing That's when you know you fucked up the cell phone video footage of your execution. No, no, no.

1:05:35 I think after you've killed like a few hundred thousand people, you're probably like, I probably deserve it. okay, look, And we don't study it or talk about violence that is specifically constructed to be theatrical. which I find that many people haven't seen. If you think about Vietnam, we have all of these images that were burned into all of have a very distinct, very obvious bias against criticizing Islam, criticizing Islamic terrorism, criticizing

1:09:56 some of the conditions that women and homosexuals are forced to live in in Muslim cultures. But once you do join, you're in. No, no, no, no. Right. If you're in. If you're in and somebody says, and somebody says hey let's go worship other gods you're supposed to kill them what if that oh that's do you want all of them no no let's just turn everything up to 11 i do okay come on man i'm

1:12:31 Yeah. I'm supposed to be drinking. But Jews many times think of themselves, it's almost a tribe as much as it is a religion. Like, we have to kill the apostates? And the parents had to come out and say, knock it off. Like, the ultra Whoa, and the parents had to come and say knock it off like the ultra Orthodox parents And, you know, I would say I know six or seven rabbis well enough to ask the question about their belief structure.

1:15:08 OK. like ethical guidelines as opposed to like yeah brought down from on high in giant stone tablets. We're going to get waylaid here. It's because we cheated physics. Why are so many insanely intelligent people European Jews? It's right. People said that, and it turns out they take the bus like everybody else. So there can be a genetic predisposition in trade-off space. There can be a cultural premium.

1:18:28 getting a PhD in mathematics, In his case, in 1987, he stood up because a Jewish fraternity was using black strippers Brett was the guy that was the part of the whole Evergreen College fiasco. and some of these ideas that he has, just putting them up online, um, and fundamentally if we drive these people to extinction it's on us yeah and so my question is

1:21:26 in laboratory animals, treating this like the clown act that they're running and this just happens to mentality that thinks that every white man is some sort of an oppressor and you need to figure movement, is actually racist. And the way you know that it's a cult is you ask for the definition of racism. And so that's the key thing is that we're used to thinking of our immune system as being there to protect us.

1:24:55 And you have recourse to dictionaries and you start talking about the history and somebody Like that guy, I mean, I know he's going to sue Google, but he could probably sue a host And so rather than saying men are less conscientious than women. They went with like the headline. It's a reserve term. Oh, you said power law. Never mind. Rosanna, Rosanna Dana.

1:28:05 to the DeMore thing, If you lie about There's no shortage of brilliant women. That's a good point. Please elaborate on that because that is an issue with And she accepts it. So, you know, getting back to the Damore issue, Damore needed to set this thing up at Google differently. pinball arcade yeah it's got a restaurant pinball in the back gonna hurt me no no no i'm just joking the point is this is something which is low prestige it's anti-compensated yeah and

1:31:58 What do you want to do? So the more you get into coding, you sort of adopt a code mindset? Right? the issue is that a lot of us you know who have male hardware male software recognize that we get I want to think through that thing. What? know and so she'll have a much more, Yeah. is assume that you lose out when in a bid if somebody else is gonna promise

1:35:38 Because you don't know what you can do. Like, say if I bring you a car. Right. I don't know, right? I'm like, okay, cool. something is really hard but you may have to invent something in order to get out of it so I fix computers for a living. I think that what's happening is that there are certain characteristics that are very valuable in low variance processes.

1:39:23 that nobody's ever seen before Now the point was is that those guys did not know enough biochemistry to do the double helix So when Bill Gates talked to IBM, he didn't have an operating system. How many people do over-promise? And I think women are averse to that oh absolutely so women are averse to bullshitting people absolutely they are much good

1:42:11 fast and loose outlier idiom. So they almost have to go away from their natural instincts and adopt a different pattern of behavior to achieve extraordinary success. If the feeling is, So there are ways in which you don't find women in the pinball arcades, you don't find them in bricklayers unions, and my time fighting. You know, she, she has like a Nobel quality result in economics. And her feeling was it's just not worth it to get into some multi-decade pissing match with incredibly powerful people.

1:45:47 And that's what I think Damore was saying. Like, you know, you were just talking about Jews and physics. untapped. If you want to make tons of money, if you want to cure cancer, if you want to do all these things, figure out how to bring those neurons fully online. Do you think that maybe what we're looking at is natural patterns? citations. Right. Or the bibliography. Yeah. Which is like, no, it's, it's immoral.

1:48:30 These people are in a cult and this was a challenge to, you know that there's somebody whispering, So their bullshit detectors are set very, very high. No, we aren't. Like for example, Like what are the, to what extent can you actually change the nature of work to bring these extra neurons online? ability females who have left the game or who have sort of gone into a lower intensity mode

1:51:52 a physicist and they got a lot of attention and publicity at Oxford I don't like the unpleasantness Bravado? Maybe Housewives of Beverly Hills. really unpleasant i understand that once they've actually gotten to the game. Yeah. Right. But is that what keeps them from pursuing the game or is it natural this is, interest and inclination and that should be an adjustment and then we should

1:55:08 Yeah. been deep platform so I let off a tweet about you know for God's sake stop Thanks a dad. is making sense, not making sense to take them on, on the arguments. but think about how difficult it has been. You know, as soon as I say, learn how to over promise but all of these higher level points all have lower level misinterpretations. so the key question is are we going to just de-platform all the biologists are we going to

1:58:46 Well, and it's tough and you know, we're challenged because we also don't see Either one of those things reinforces the worst stereotypes Why have it directly in response have it because that's not how talked to him yes he's soft-sp Soft spoken, very kind, very nice guy. And he wrote an 18 page memo. guy a chance to have a communicate have open communication like if you sit down with him

2:01:35 But we keep doing this. Okay. So this is the thing about the soft targets versus hard targets, right? You still think there's issues that need to be addressed. Right. we can't be this aggressive about everything all the time. Right. But why, why tell women take some time off? You just got assaulted. You were just Have some public speeches where you have people oppose his ideas

2:05:06 Yes. complain. Sure. cultural Christianity. Now, quite honestly, you can easily be embedded in a Muslim community characteristics as the others. So in part, what you have is you have people I could care less. I expect them to be an exponent of Chinese culture. So let's talk about a particular example. They are Muslim. They are proud Afghan women. know, from the original texts.

2:11:13 And so you don't want to go against the authentic, is a conflict and that we actually have a dog in this fight and the dog in this fight period, the end. It's fascinating to me how many different ideologies exist and how much they vary Maybe this isn't the right way. Yeah. Why is it that so many people who are atheists and agnostics adopt religious tendencies in

2:14:34 when jordan peterson and sam harris got into it the first time on sam's show that was so confusing that the eye contact. Exactly. Video conferencing is that you find that you're staring right above the person's eyes. Yeah, because you're looking at the- So there's no trust. Yes. Yeah, it's completely you know this is like with video conferencing is is that you find that you're staring right?

2:16:21 maybe Shakespeare would be the only thing comparable to the religious canons. Do you, when you see them, do you see things that are you and your wife and wonder like, Sure. Isn't that part of it? And, you know, it's potent stuff. pokey but something is mean you know if if most of the people who win nobel prizes were found to do I mean, the problem is that the atheist critique, which is like there is no bearded dude in a cloud granting your wishes or listening to what you say.

2:20:08 incompatibilities and so how do you choose one among many and if n is right okay blah blah blah Those are actually pretty goddamn good movies. dumb shit that i like though that said really yeah There's a lot of fucking dumb shit that I like, though. I'll throw in, I was made for loving you. Sort of inclination towards ideologies is because pretty much everybody had them

2:22:32 Why are children afraid of spiders and monsters? And that a monster may very well be the memory or the ancient genetic memory of predators. right? Here's the emergency break glass in case of emergency plan, right? But sometimes what we do is we sort of go obliquely at these things. In Paris, like 14 people were killed by wolves. wolf yeah but they're clever yeah this thing about wolves is they they have some sort of

2:25:10 So what's the woods? All I'm suggesting is that a lot of our information comes coded so that it doesn't point too directly. when mommy or daddy remarries yeah sometimes it's awesome right often it's not right and why because Right. exclusion of others. And so the question about how does the stuff co-travel, um, it co-travels flipped. But my guess is that the orthodox were always questioning whether there was a God.

2:28:40 make an argument that the better and more rational our thinking is, the more it I haven't, you know, there are times when the truth doesn't give me enough meaning and but truth is significantly more important than just these lessons that we learn from heroes Peter Thiel critiques me on this point, Dirac, couldn't be because the masses are too far off and they'd have to be equal. Well, a short time later, the anti-electron, the positron that is, was found, I guess,

2:32:04 not understanding that his theory completely explained that orchid. And it may be that he was too wedded to this kind of rude judgment of the unforgiving. people who are crazy about truth reject scaffolding, which is an intermediate stage You have a problem with that? Crushing? I was told I could go to the bathroom here. We've had these fight companion podcasts and people are fucking potato chips and they're eating potato chips on the podcast.

2:34:28 Like, a couple minutes. is like someone will try a technique There you go. to actually be successful. Well, I think, you know, this has to do with placeholder truth. your what you're allowed to eat this is what you're not allowed to eat except that's very often For example, in Islam contract marriage where you need to get married for a few hours so

2:37:32 Good move. 1.6 billion people are considering your words right now. could figure out why it was okay to drink the water during Passover. So the issue of getting around your own rules right? I guarantee you nobody, you know, if it were so easy to defeat people using their own religious traditions against them, we wouldn't know the name of these religions and we wouldn't know the genius of the books.

2:39:40 I would guess tons. They have that I think it's more like booze and ACDC type nuts. Joe, thanks for having me. Let's do it again.