Joe Rogan Experience #1050 — Dr. Shawn Baker Transcript

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0:00 And we're live. Alright, Sean. Welcome aboard, man. Thank you. Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it. if you could there you go if you would have asked me two years trying to try and get lean. And then I went down to, you know, then I was like, man, this sucks. And then I did ketogenic for about two, three years. There's a guy named Joe Anderson and his wife, Sean.

2:31 And he started doing like the same stuff I was doing. You know, the Nazis played with that with the troops. It was steak and eggs. So that's pretty decent for back then. but then there was a guy named Larry Scott I was like, I did a month. You know, like my back started hurting a little bit. Right. is not meat. You know, that's what I can tell you for sure from what I know. You know, whether it's, you know, sugar, whether it's, you know, processed gluten or wheat or stuff like that,

5:32 You know, it's pretty remote. This guy went on this diet and his skin got psoriasis. You know, I think this is a thing. But I think you have to be objective about it. drawn and their cholesterol will be high. And their doctor will say, well means you're getting healthy and they'll go to their doctor and they'll get some blood drawn and their cholesterol will be high and their doctor will

7:37 hi, how you doing? Order a bunch of labs. You look at the results of the labs and say, So you're a physician, right? So I was like, well, I don't, I can't rectify why these people are doing so well, you know, just eating meat. I mean, you're not. get that 12 months out of year so that's not what's having a significant impact that are consuming a normal diet.

10:24 so therefore we're going to recommend this, you know we know that this level of nutrient deficiency causes disease, where animals on a high-car high carbohydrate did get this disease, you know, things like manganese, you know, manganese is highly required for carbohydrate And so if you don't have a lot of glucose floating around, you need way, way less vitamin C.

12:14 vitamin D deficiency, magnesium deficiency, No, I don't, you know, here's the deal, Joe. A radical change in your diet where you're just consuming only meat. work I think you benefit from it greatly but also, the knowledge that you can tell them, because we've started this, you know, i was younger i played rugby in new zealand i was playing with some of the all blacks you know at a

14:11 It's kind of an interesting sort of thing. pretty good but new zealand's pretty much the best so i played down there with those guys and then i and then the Highland Games started dieting and stuff. And so I got down to pretty lean, about 240-ish where I'm at now. Explain glycolytic. He was saying, no, you've got to have glycogen. So I took four seconds off the world record without a single gram of carbohydrate.

16:54 the heck of it, because your body doesn't need it. And so one of the things that glucose is But like I said, I don't think we can talk about evolutionary stuff. So I intermittent feast. Yeah. I just put it away in one setting. Huh. We have all this processed garbage that's full of calories, sugar and crap, but it doesn't thing. The goal of insulin is not zero. You know, that's what people need to understand. It's not,

19:45 And I think that works pretty well. point to thousands and thousands of people and do it in excellent health, which is interesting. I said, I'm going to try it for a month, and I just felt so good. tell me? Here's the thing we don't know. my HDL will go up, my triglycerides really testing this sort of stuff one guy's name is Dave Feldman on Twitter

22:31 So when we go to the doctor every six months or a year and they get a blood cholesterol, They don't have any formal training that can figure. your liver says, we need fat in this because we're low on energy. Fifty? So you're saying that, though, but most people hear this and they go, but, but, but, but, but, but, if your cholesterol is high, you're going to get a heart attack.

24:37 everybody. So it's just like, you know, you know, do you trade? Am I going to die of cancer? Am I Yeah, I mean, it is. is joe charlene 98 88 98 or 98 88 it's this guy you know it's just the guy he's been doing it for most of what he eats is meat my friend Jocko Willink yeah when he's tired he You know, the beef feeders out of London, you know, these guys were the guards for the kings.

27:02 the morning so what do you do well i'll tell you what to do so today, I mean, eating-wise, generally I eat one meal or two meals, You ate two pounds of meat. It's amazing, man. Before, you know, like a pound of meat would be, you know, that would be tough. you know me exercising doing stuff and you know pictures that was something you talked about uh

29:02 Are they drinking alcohol? They're more likely just not to care. So they can't separate that out. the epidemiology showed a 2,000% increase in the incidence of cancer in a lot of studies. Right. 200, 300% difference out of like 1,000. Right. Only putting it up by by a fraction. Right. And so they're, and this is, you know, besides the point, but right now the IRC is under

32:58 analyst analysis of all the 800 studies they used and she found that what they Oh, I don't remember. This is a real fast way to show if they get cancer. natural foods and vegetables and fruits that also give rats cancer. Normal stuff we eat on a daily basis. And they also feed them sugar with it. You know, that's interesting. cold they probably have requirements for certain amount of dietary fat yeah I

36:19 We don't know for sure. their colon got a little smaller well humans colons got way way smaller right and so what It allows them to climb trees and do this stuff. And that's what chimpanzees do. The chimpanzees are hunting this thing to extinction. and they chase them in, and they corner them. I mean, hunting, I know you're a big hunter, Jill, and I know it's not an easy thing to do.

39:08 These guys were just decimating mammoths. And so the people that have sort of genetically are related to those people six foot two and this is like 30,000 years ago. That's crazy. So these people. They must have been giants. They were giants. which are all about six feet tall on average. Do you take vitamins or minerals or anything? Yeah, man, you get pretty good at cooking steaks, you know.

40:35 You know, it depends where I'm at. meat and so they can A day, right. I think people that eat meat should be concerned about it, and we're the ones that primarily need to make sure that's not happening. And so I think, you know, as you know, you know, I would argue that, you know, since evolution began, humans have been eating meat and that's just what happens in

42:13 even just the eventual death of the animal. You know, if you have an animal that you're, you know, because I talk to a lot of cattle ranchers and most of them i mean most of them they really care about their animals they're out in the snow and the rain But, you know, if you look at cows or animals in the wild, they're hurt animals anyway. But, I mean, it doesn't change the fact that we all need to eat.

44:05 It's not most of the meat that you get. You can actually meet the ranchers and, you know, get a sense of how they raise these animals. The difference nutritionally compared to, because if you don't have any money got hormones in that stuff because the animal makes it naturally. Of course. it to, you know, if you look at phytoestrogens you know that's

46:55 Then that's probably still a better option than going back and eating, you know, the other crap. I'm just saying you need to find out what works for you. If you're like saying, I'm just sick and I don't want to be sick anymore, then I'd say I mean, look at the end result of why we, what do we do when we're eating, okay? we need it. Right. Right. And it's, you know, it's a misconception, you know, when you hear

49:02 of liquid, right? So that means all that meat is being absorbed, you know. research going on there's a lot of people just talking all about this stuff how it affects your If you're eating just a meat-based diet, your microbiome is going to be different and the probiotics are probably not going to make a difference for you. But if you're eating, again,

50:53 And maybe the probiotics are necessary to sort of balance you out. Right. and you're going to get more putrefaction that way. I know some people will say that fermented soy, I think there's a lot of associations. I don't know for sure. Yeah. you know, because this is one of the problems. So many people have health problems and I think a lot You know, if it does, then I'm like, man, I shouldn't probably eat that.

53:58 Who was the guy that you were saying? Another gal, there's another gal named Kelly Hogan that she was like a big, morbidly obese woman. I mean, it's, you know, the stories I get, you know, this is because now I'm this kind of central point, I'm going to be a carnivore. I mean, I think a day a week, just have at it. You know, we didn't start eating all this processed stuff until about 100, you know, Crisco came out in 1910 or something like that.

56:33 Have you ever heard about people getting that? eventually gets infected and then you get diverticulitis. But the people that were You know, it's not true, obviously. always the funny thing? Yeah, that's the thing. Like John t-bone yeah maybe if you're eating bones but i mean meat this doesn't get there i mean it's it's Cleans it all out makes you feel good though. Well, maybe you know, there's some people do it

59:10 Are you sure? But what happens is if you get constipated, and there's another Musa still, what is that stuff? there and it just fills up more and more and eventually just come maybe you might be able to force it all through but that but that's not you know how that's you know it's a lot of people will Sometimes I'll have chicken. And there's a lot of people like me that do this.

1:01:02 Yeah, I'm always trying to figure out, like, what is that response that you get when you slice into a steak and it's juicy and delicious and your whole body goes like, oh. I think it's a primal thing. I think it's just like this is satisfaction go to medical school. Then I drop out of medical school to play professional rugby. I had this you didn't actually launch them but you were working i was out and i was a guy that if we

1:03:27 school. So I go back to medical school with military pays for it this time. So then, you know, And if it's okay, I'll tell you a little bit about this stuff. You go to Bangor, Maine, and these old ladies give you lobster bisque on the way out. with the cargo and you fly in afghanistan they're shooting at you so they turn off the lights so blend in right both legs blown right off i mean what kind of holy shit you know so this is like

1:05:28 He's setting up Blows off one of his arms It takes us a month to get him stabilized. Yeah, they knew he was an enemy. It's heartbreaking. Right. It's not like they're the big guys. Well, they killed him. through the streets to the rough, asshole and they his legs fucking ripped off i mean his kids road rash actually his legs were ripped off he was burned

1:08:00 Oh, I can't afford this Day in and day out we're seeing this stuff. most of them are civilians right so we get all these civilian casualties little kids and adults and you know in their suicide vests they put all these so in the middle of this operation we're in there operating you know take trying to take care of fuck i gotta keep operating you know because i'm trying to save this guy's life so we keep we just

1:10:50 I mean, it was just like, because there was nothing I could see after that. head of the group right what kind of group it's just like an orthopedic surgery group so and and that we're going to see anything you want to send us, I mean tens of millions of dollars in their business, right? Because orthopedic surgery is I don't want to do that and the two of my partners did they eventually left so I'm the only holdout guy

1:12:48 I've got low, real low complication rates. And when you look in the orthopedics, another anti-inflammatory drug, putting them on a ketogenic diet. to pay you overtime and she's like well i'm taking care of patients well we don't care i don't want know how to use that stuff. So they force everybody to do this, you know, just to say, You're not adapted to it.

1:15:24 And then there was a system where, it's another thing. So they put this on you and it's like, no, it's really hard to put good information there hey, guys, I really want to spend a day a week just doing lifestyle counseling. and I had this guy named Butter Bob Riggs, you know, you know, we don't, we don't really like that. So because I was ahead of the group and I was well liked by everybody, I had really good patient records. I mean, really good patient

1:17:50 Somebody's going to get an infection. There's like a, you know, we're going to say every year And it doesn't matter if you do 100 surgeries a year So what they do is they hire. And that's not supposed to happen. You know, I don't like the way you documented stuff, and I disagree with what you did. And they were supposed to be totally in there. So what they did instead is they wouldn't let me know any of the cases. They told

1:20:35 And they pull me in the office and say, we got this really bad independent report, right? and try to find things that were wrong You can't go to your clinic. I'm like, I'm going to drive my freaking car off a cliff. I didn't know what was going on, so I said, Absolutely. Right. And they hand this report that says all this bad stuff and they hand my confession, right?

1:23:26 They have no clue about what I do. And I look and I said, we'll give you a fair hearing. And I started looking through the cases and what the guy wrote and not only are there errors, Yeah, so this is what I'm talking about. and you don't have a rotator cuff anymore, it's completely gone, right? I basically put a reverse shoulder in a person that broke their arm and did this twice.

1:25:54 cuff but he doesn't know that over the last 10 years all kinds of different But where does it stand right now? So in discovery process, you send all this information in, of that, they pay him. So they're paying this guy. Right. So they review all this stuff. And if no one gets hurt there's nothing there and it's not that anyone knowing So this is a decision they make based on that.

1:28:35 So the state gets this complaint. This is a story. which is probably going to take a year. It's going to cost you tons of money, you know, were just like going through all these case, case, case. They're not. It's kind of stressful. I mean, you know, I've got a girlfriend who makes a good living, but I don't want to be, you know, but I've got kids.

1:30:49 we think that you know i am almost 100 convinced they're going to say you know we need you to go You know, if it were a caveman times, Joe, I'd go with a big club and like, what the right. but they also, they need to make a lot of money. Well, they got to pay the light bills. I mean, And he's like, are you sure? You need to do this. You know, we are facing this.

1:33:30 Doctors are great for fixing broken joints, broken bones. You know, I mean, you would save. already gotten to a point where you're in the hospital. Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, like Yeah, there's a lot of money in fixing you. A great example is the Primal Kitchen. roundup and um how when they say it's safe for people to consume they say well it only affects

1:36:47 And you're like, oh, that's great, man. I mean, he really can't take it anymore. but I will tell you, and this is a, you know. Me and this other Air Force guy that he's also a carnivore. people want to see so we developed website, and we start getting these first group. And we ended up having about close to 100 people just do 90 days of just eating meat.

1:38:49 health what happened to your exercise capacity what happened to your gi health your skin right But then we're getting some more lab data because I know you like about lab data. meat causes hypertension. Yeah, I mean, they use some associational stuff, and that's all they ever do. I mean, that's totally true. What we said was- because they didn't feel they felt like they had a low energy right and so a lot of people when they

1:41:26 if you're eating ribeye steaks, you know, that's probably about 70% fat, 30% protein, You know, it depends on your activity level, I mean, I'm, you know, you know, my capacity to exercise is great. You know, it's like, you know, I've had a couple people that, and I haven't tested this, Sure, absolutely. Yep. And they have the longest-lived people in the world, which is interesting.

1:43:55 None of them were vegetarians. I mean, we know that about. effect you know if you look at the epic oxford study which had about 60 000 people in it you It's just BS. means you're more likely to have someone you're 60. I mean, there's just no doubt. Because you're going to remove all that shitty processed food out of your diet, all the nitrites, I mean, you can do about any diets better than that.

1:46:57 you know, it causes cancer. Maybe it inhibits longevity in these lesser animals like mice and, away the protein in their bones have shrunken away their kidneys have shrunk their heart is have a frailty epidemic. There are people that are just, I mean, by the time they're 40, you know, you're going to be frailer and frailer. You know, we have an obesity epidemic, but we also have a frailty epidemic. There are people that are just, I mean, by the time they're

1:48:31 Like maybe they made him do gym in high school and that was it. The thing about it is like if I take a week off, man, boy, do I feel it more at 50 than I did at 30. like the normal capacity that your body has, If you're just a casual person who just kind of like half-asses, people's bodies can't. Like if I want to pick something up, I don't have to call somebody.

1:50:56 think that you know if you look at animals in the wild right you know if Yeah. That's the other thing that you brought up explosiveness, because I think we're finally And I think a lot of people under you, I take medicine balls and I try to break the fucking things. Yeah. We're getting one. Airdyne X? I mean, they're so... Well, I feel that like you would get more exercise

1:53:30 or a minute, a minute's even worse. pretend there's some fucking maniac with a chainsaw. But, but I mean, that thing is, you know, just try, do you have those guys? So I'm like, man, go like somebody's going to kill you for 20 seconds and then rest three or four minutes and then go again. to do the training you know like I said I you know I break it up when I tell

1:55:27 like when you get tired doing snatches the odds are you getting fucked up are high very high so the other thing about this diet. I'm not used to, you know, you know what I'm talking. I'm sorry. I'm not used to, you know, he's taking in so much animal tissue so well listen man keep us posted on this keep me posted Just give us your data at n-equals-many.com.

1:57:27 No fruits and vegetables for a month. No plants for a month. All right.