Joe Rogan Experience #1084 — Douglas Murray Transcript

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0:00 Keep this about a fist away. of how squirrely things have gotten lately with the way people interpret conversations I'm part of the problem, part of the patriarchy. and someone who's there I go, how did you say that? I'm like, do you understand this is Douglas Murray and Sam Harris? And you notice it happening with other people, of course. Well, that's what I'm concerned about.

3:33 I'm sure I'd remember. I'm sure. I'm sure you would. I'm sure I would have heard about it. Are you listening to his conversations? and douglas murray having a conversation about something is hate speech do you know what relief I think it goes to a point where people become cynical about any claims made about I agree with you. make these ridiculous claims about conversations, you empower, you actually empower radical people

6:58 And the other really disturbing aspect of it You can't help thinking among other things that the people trying to make the rules at the moment have no idea of the fact that these debates have we went through it with Milton. I just wish these people had any idea of the fact that and open-minded and left-wing than And empower. We're not very far away from that, actually.

9:56 a look at this objectively. And the people spend a lifetime demonstrating they are not the thing that they're being accused of. So Oh, yeah, that's the racist. Right. to literally see other people's thoughts. And I am forever optimistic, but also terrified. And ideas are being distorted. People's positions are being debated and tossed around like beach balls in real time. And ideas are being distorted.

12:31 It doesn't seem like that's happening though. And they're willing to defend somebody on their own side who does something bigger. that somebody who had sent out a tweet about a woman's breasts in 2009 and he was talking about who Trump was before he became president. the media some years ago, but who, it was often noted that he converted to Catholicism

15:29 I had a lot of it, but I won't have it anymore. It's just chaos and infighting. or are willing to sacrifice it, as I say, for some other purpose, including winning a goal, it's hard to see how you could adjudicate in this era. And... This came up recently with Bill Maher. I don't think Bill is even 60. Sure. And they found an article he had written about saying he didn't agree with Holocaust denial laws.

18:59 And so suddenly in the middle of the thing where everyone was tearing apart his life, Everyone's a Nazi. you're the person who's good. Kilstein, and he's a stand-up comedian and he was a real radical social justice Yes. But he took a long time off of social media and a long time off of performing. Is he getting those social justice points that he wanted and he was really honest about the feeling that he got the

21:43 I don't engage in any of that bit of it You know, I mean, another experience I've had in recent years that led me to not want to engage in this is walking around at various events and sort of breakout things. if you didn't do it like that, seeking out the fight, are the sort of thing that would allow it seems to be the only aim. float by. Right. And I've never blocked anyone because I sort of think you should, if you put your ideas

25:37 his life had come to at this stage that I I couldn't even block him and also he'd be like to offend the Turkish president. It was really good because at the same time And the Dutch authorities were looking at, actually looking, If, like me, you wrote a limerick for just five lines, it is 200 pounds a line. So the German government was actually considering prosecuting this guy.

28:46 we in Germany should have the right to be rude about Erdogan, A very, very evil, I think, man who has led his country backwards in the last 20 years I mean, which is terrible. Right. Charlie Hebdo the day before. A bunch of people have been killed. And if you knew nothing about recent French history, of something that should be so damn clear, Yeah. to worry too much about them or why you'd been silent on the issues they'd spoken up about.

33:35 They read the headline and don't look any further into it, even if it's a headline about a headline. only thing that matters Has to be. Has to be no. he'd been rude about Britain, as if that had anything to do with anything. think the novel was all that good. I had Midnight's Children I could cope with. But the Sanic that they would not actively encourage the murder of Rushdie anymore.

37:11 recent years, from the Danish cartoons to the Jewel Medina scandal, where a publisher in London I mean, in terms of like, they will murder you if you draw Muhammad. Right. now, yeah, I've had many journalists that. It's never people saying, I'm really just so keen to draw Muhammad today, Douglas. What I've got Kalashnikovs on my side. inroads like that. Especially when there's actual evidence that people have been murdered and have been

41:18 and it was a real somebody. That if everyone's, that's the I'm Spartacus tactic if everyone to the Charlie Hebdo attack That's just not the place to fuck around. battle trained And then let's face it. stopped. They said they didn't want donkey porn guy other people on twitter send me things like you know well why don't you draw And there's another thing, which we all know what comes next.

45:47 And then from there, you have to show It's anything. and it is a laugh, they couldn't draw Muhammad in a bear suit. That's before they knew better, bro. They don't show my best side. And that's, I think, where we are at the moment on this. Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, bit and i gave an example of a female poetess who he had killed because she criticized him and this

50:25 poet killed yes he just what other way would there be to make that point that is it was hard He, yeah, he just, he went, yeah, a bit nuts and wouldn't continue unless I, you know, Well, not in this day and age. They own it. Like, hey, man, you got to read the whole book. You can't wear two pieces of different cloth. My favorite, especially as a bald guy.

53:19 That's when God's got to step in. number and he went from there to Mount Carmel it's like you know no deal it's that were destroyed. It's not even an insult. okay, then maybe God needs to step kids that need to learn how to run. You shaggy bear. That didn't't work you shaggy mangy dirty stinky bear bald head yeah there's so many of those stories that are so strange but i

55:57 about very basic things, even commandments and so on. So that's the case with the religion that in America and Britain is known best with Christianity. Oh, really? Please tell me about the Bible. with arguing with various Muslims about things. that they are following a religion Everyone would be very kind, very generous, very caregiving and so on. he converted not just to Islam,

59:08 ended up falling out with al-Qaeda And the person carrying the package was late and then really late. That was how he got out. And that was so, as I say, he's a very, very uncommon person. was, was having a conversation with someone and he asked him point blank whether or not he believed interesting point there yeah but of course we do quite rightly allow people to believe

1:02:17 and split the moon with a sword? Is it glued back together? 8 years ago that someone would be comfortable He, I'm a great admirer of Richard, as everyone is, I'm sure, all of fiction. It's a terrific And I I completely felt he's been a very brave and brilliant writer maybe that's maybe you're then in real trouble yeah and so he stepped back from the brink there

1:05:01 To my joking? And that is very common in that I've had that a lot in my life in this particular area of people trying to egg me over. I always have a very, very visual aid of it. And I've always thought this is exactly the experience of anyone in this area. This is something that's just so important, a nuance that almost never gets added in. Yes. They really don't send me a death threat from one year to the next.

1:08:31 done nothing wrong directed at Sikhs yes well there was a lot of that out of about one aspect of it relating to this, which is this. And after the Manchester one in particular, We weren't meant to be angry anyway. But he had watched a BBC drama called Three Girls, men and it's a very very Eventually, after all these years, the BBC makes a documentary called Three Girls,

1:12:12 You know, it's had everything. fairly well. And I think that that guy in Wales is a very, very unusual figure. I don't think it's very common. I don't think everyone's going to do that. I don't think we're all like that wicked madman. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know how do you report on this? See what they think the public can cope with or should know and then feed them that.

1:14:26 And that may be the case with all this. I would have thought on some of this. It's only by treating us as if we can't deal with ugly things that go on that you could see the situation. It seemed like this immediate eruption of all these issues. But, you know, to have a major Western capital city with 130 people killed in an evening with multiple suicide bombings

1:17:31 of our consciousness so that we what actually happens is we we we get over the immediate thing All we know is that there were two men People were locked and barricaded into the big department stores uh a pop singer called ollie murs uh tweeted out his The next day, two men handed themselves Maybe they... everyone goes running. They would flee from the concert into casinos

1:20:06 claim of other shooters. There's always a there's a or very terrible event where people are effectively in the situation of a war zone The shots that were quite a bit away I mean, this is obviously one of the things. Yeah. but for the average person, It's the same thing with the Twitter point. glee that goes on after any terrorist attack in Europe, but I think also here as well, the attempt to immediately call it for the other side or for your side or whatever,

1:23:44 even of arming teachers. Watching this thing good idea giving teachers guns is clearly never seen one try to use an I thought there was a very pertinent one Well, you would, wouldn't you? understand i mean you might think it's odd to have a hereditary constitutional monarch for instance I mean, just it's such an obvious point. And most people, we see this in the terrorism as well,

1:27:18 you made a point the other day it's like saying if you say everyone who has a gun is part of the And also the idea that you should just be able to go out and buy a gun without really understanding how a gun works at all. They showed me what the safety is, pointed this, put the earphones on, They have to go through it with you. Well, that's a fucking stupid thing to say

1:29:28 whether it's antidepressants. Yes. or whether it's having a gun for home safety or for hunting. I'm reading all his stuff. It's a huge problem. Yes, very weird, very accepting of something Because it's sort of shut down, because we shut it down ourselves. I mean, I have a lot of suspicions segue to make, but there was a fascinating two men who are married who have ultrasounds.

1:34:07 and woke up in the morning and one of them was preggers. Right. Really? possible to say I don't think But I think that's really interesting. it's um it but in that case anyone who does have a voice uh as a writer or speaker And I just, I wish that there were more dead cat heavers Me? Because you can't take me seriously. I'm saying these things from,

1:38:06 that people were talking about oh my god she's a woman now and it was right after But yet, ESPN and Glamour Woman of the Year and all these different things and Athlete of the Year. I said this to Sam Harris. but that you had to find her attractive. Pretending that Tom and Dustin can't have a baby. Yeah. Like, what are you trying into these very convenient

1:41:02 the economics goes wrong I've got a feeling what I mean is that it's possible this is what happens when the economics goes wrong. Property ladder, meaning owning a home? you need to have children, but you can't afford to take the time off work, that that generation might discover new gods and might want to enforce the new rules just as avidly as the old

1:43:18 They're all attempts to, but they're all attempts to something like purity which disturbs me a sort of if we could I was reading on the plane over. and there was a man who came on with his girlfriend. of different skin pigmentation from you abusing a woman of different skin pigmentation from you I mean, my God, I am. They accentuate sexual and gender difference.

1:46:07 very restrictive line of communication ideology that we're experiencing, thing to look at but again we have to I was speaking at a campus in thes a little while ago and i spoke to a guy who's a Wouldn't you imagine, of course, self-proclaimed free thinkers would be even more inclined I don't know how to describe it, but I'll know it when I see it. It seems to me that a lot of so-called free thinkers, self-designated free thinkers, may well have these glimpses and may well think, I don't know what's holding this together.

1:48:58 that we have because human Yes. makes you look like such a fucking fool. Well, I mean, it's one thing to want equality, but to proudly state that you're a feminist, There's a comedian who said, It's virtue signaling to the highest degree. Not like, oh, look at this transparent fuck who's just trying to get laid. Quite otherwise, we are this very, very contorted being,

1:52:40 other than trying to deal with we are racked at the moment still by 18 months after a single vote on a single matter of governance. This isn't to say you give up on objective fact or anything else, but just consider that I mean, it's, by the way, and also never to forget that the Nazis didn't seem like the This really is a very, very strange time. It's called Immigration Identity Islam.