Joe Rogan Experience #1110 — Zach Bitter Transcript

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0:00 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, boom, and we're off. What's up, brother? How are you? aspect of things you go oh okay you're a fucking super genius yeah yeah he tricks you yeah i Yeah. for a small school and then I went to a small division three school and was you know pretty thousand dollar prize purse on it. And I was like, you know what, if I can win that thousand bucks,

3:21 it had to be partly just a little bit of success. You know, I wasn't necessarily used to winning. So, like, I mean, I've had good races and good times relative to what you probably see, like in an average person. But, you know, when I went to like a competitive 5k competitive marathon or something like that, you know, I wasn't going to win unless it was kind of a local race. So kind of finding, you know, it's like anything, I guess you kind of gravitate to what you feel you're good at. And then that kind of piques your interest. So that was part of it.

4:18 So being able to kind of enjoy the training process a lot was really appealing to me. So there's this weird thing about it that you don't really know until you do it, but it sucks you in. Yeah. miles, those type of people, they're different people. And there's like, there's a strength, How many of these things have you won? Uh, I don't know how many I've won. It's,

7:14 there's a race nearby and that's not too hard to get to, it's easier just to sign up for that, And then I always tell myself 80 percent is the hardest you can go if you want to be able to come back and start training on time to meet the actual goal or the race. Or, you know, there's certainly, I'm sure, folks who do it and then they get caught up and then end up leaving their A race out on the B race, I guess, so to speak.

9:09 And then people start to try to push that boundary now i've been hearing talk about the woman candace who runs the moab 240 yeah yeah they're talking about doing a 500 i heard that i And yeah, I know, crazy. just a track, and these people They probably had terrible brakes back then, right? the trail running scene is definitely way bigger than the road running

11:24 Oh, yeah. And he was talking about the first time he did one was on a track like track or a road or really flat road i had goggins on david oh yeah and he Whereas when I'm out on the trails, it's like, you're usually in a pretty pristine, beautiful area and you can kind of just take it I have it. But yeah, it's kind of a different you would be when you're running on a flat surface. So, you know, it's one of the things that I always tell like my coaching clients and myself when I'm planning for something

14:14 Um, yeah, it's kind of a, an interesting concept. And yeah, and then people also kind of get, Now, what's different between you and a lot of guys, and this is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you about this, that same time I did those 350 milers and what you notice uh I would wake up like three or four I was really intrigued by the sport and I didn't really want to necessarily back off of that if I

17:00 raisins, maybe some fruit or something like that. Cause like, according to most people, I wasn't eating junk. I was eating really good food. Um, I can learn something and train at the same time. He's shooting stem cells into his dick. energy and why did you attribute that to your diet? Like what was making you think that it was But there was no big red flags on my blood work.

20:21 And I didn't know if it was going to work. weeks. And, um, I didn't have as hard of a time as what I think I've, I've, I've seen some people I started sleeping through the night again, which was like, kind of really an eye opening thing for diminishing returns and it was causing more stress than what my body was able to tolerate. And that And that's one of the weirder things about people, you know, that we are so variable

23:23 and they're doing just fine for a while. So the way I call it is i periodize it so like when at a slow pace, but if I decided to go out on the track and do like 400 meter repeats He looks very fit, though. self. And if you'd be honest with yourself, you feel great, do what you're doing. If you don't, the fast acting fuel sources. I don't need them right now and reset that whole fat adaptation

26:46 like, you know, from fat and proteins and things like that. and mobility type stuff, you know, I'll probably let myself get up to like 15 to 25% of my intake from carbohydrate. say intense it's just really tedious in the amount of time and energy required for it now are you I think they've gotten a lot better with it. in and come out, like what kind of a time period are you talking about? Uh, it, the time period was more indicative about what I kind of ate during it too. Like if I did,

29:39 And then, you know, go for my run. So then when I get back from a run, you know, it might be two because that really wasn't important to me. Performance is important. Some people think it's kind of an all or nothing thing where you either get really fat adapted with no fuel other than water and electrolytes, then I'm fat adapted enough. I don't need to get

31:37 He said it was incredible. And he had sent me one a while back to kind of do a little test for him, Matt Brown brought some of that in. It's like, woof. Yeah. Did you test your ketones when you took it? No, I think so. Super potent stuff. Tastes like Godzilla's dick. Matt Brown brought some of that in. Yeah. what i here's my question is with that stuff from a performance standpoint is like it's people are

33:30 So like as you're running, you have to maintain like a certain amount of food in your system, out of resources to kind of make all those things run smoothly. Um, which is why a lot of times in ultra marathons, people find out like they have the worst luck with like throwing up and stomach I was aiming for three, four, and sometimes even 500 calories an hour.

35:12 While you're running. So you get some, that's kind of a little quick jolt and others that are more sustained, like So that's, that's the other thing. body fat to get through an endurance race. or heavily compromise my body's willingness or ability to burn fat either. or they're going to have to fuel themselves at a much higher rate Yeah, those running uphill ones, I would think that's a much more difficult race.

38:54 Now I live in Phoenix, so I've got a lot more access to mountains. I can get on the trails saying you're living in phoenix do you run the summer in pho in Phoenix? Because Phoenix is fucking insanely hot. So I moved there in January. like 110 plus some years. pack that just sits nice and snug on you. And you can put water, like I use, I use a brand called

41:13 trying to kind of balance a few different things. I, I, I train a lot. I also work for one of my Northern California has just grown so much for that company in the last couple of years it gets hot earlier, you can prepare for them. Uh, what a crazy reason to move to Phoenix. I'm So she'll be on like a conference call with Amazon and then, you know, go out and run three hours after that and then come back and get on another

43:40 impressive with like so she's done western states a few times the race I was telling him before with Yeah. road like I was. So for her, it was like, even if I'm not quite where I would like to be, I'm going And the trail stuff too so um you know Can you pull that up and see what that looks like? Jesus Christ. Is that the vanish? if you spend the time, your feet get stronger and stronger and stronger.

47:12 Yeah. there's nothing this is a very very flexible piece of rubber underneath and it's a glove for your for I worked my way down to a minimalist shoe. ran into at the track um they're on the other end of the spectrum there's all these steps in between Barefoot Ted. Runs in a sandal. What I like about these is that I don't have to look where I step.

49:59 terms of like there's no squish to it at all there's just some good size knobs so you have uh some good um Don't step on that one. hard and then i'll use like a shoe called the king mt that's kind of like the one you had there it's Yeah, just something where he's got This one guy, I think his name's Corey, who has the most disgusting feet I've ever seen in my life.

51:51 They get real crazy with this whole survivalist When it has to adapt. It's fucking gnarly. The cool thing, and this might go back to what you asked, like why ultramarathons. Explain bonking to people who don't know what you're talking about. So bonking is essentially what happens. you could bonk and stuff like that. So, you know, part of the reason, you know, I talked about

54:28 You ran 100 miles in 11 hours? Okay, it takes... Dude, that is insane. Five something. The thing, the interesting thing I years before i did that race and he was trying to break 13 hours and he was like right on the edge It's okay to poop your pants. Pooping your pants. I try to keep 16 ounces, 20 ounces. Yeah. At least, um, 16, 20 is probably a pretty good

58:09 But yeah, I don't shy away from meat. know she's had hip replacements and I believe she's having an ankle replaced soon too. at least a trial I thought I saw something about that um but yeah it's it's one of those things had to make changes if she wanted to even just probably do daily activities. And, you know, together. And we are having this gal come on who's been a carnivore for eight years.

1:00:46 And unfortunately, and this is very unfortunately, you've got to separate also all the horrors that we associate with factory farming and all the other things that we associate with meat and meat consumption. when I look at bioavailability, um, of micronutrients, it's like, you can't find much better than I'm doubling down on liver. Organ meats are some of the best.

1:02:28 his body just didn't react to it But she did pretty much the same thing. down on bagels and cream cheese. She's a fucking animal, man. as well okay yeah while she was teaching she was running and doing these things and then eventually And she still won. She's covered in blood. at all of them, or in Courtney's case, It's crazy. yeah that's an interesting topic too where like the where like men and women in ultra marathoning

1:06:22 Right. How do you spell his last name? he's, We've seen one of these videos before. This isn't even nearly as thin as some of them get. Pay attention. he's probably the best in the sport right now. Okay, and spell his name K-I – is that two Ls? if a shark was the size of a mountain. On the mountains, for sure. you're doing like what he's doing that probably does feel kind of flat for him like he likes that steep technical

1:09:37 where you saw that video, is probably at least last year like marathons and stuff like that. of run a little too fast. And he's going to bring five, six, seven guys with them. And then it's, That happened at Moab, right? And you see that all the time. I need to dial it back. where I kind of deviate from heart rate is when you start getting into these really long events

1:12:45 So I think like if an athlete really has things dialed in, they can use heart rate in training has no issues at all keeping that diet up. And whenever someone comes to me and says, like, I'm a vegan or I'm a vegetarian or something like that, it's like, who should I look to? There's three of them in the United States, and they'll probably be four or five in the next couple of years.

1:14:15 then you'll see some of these course records just get blown out. with fire and training and they're doing it because they know they have to get to their optimal Those are the ones where like, And that they found that this is a great performance enhancing thing for them. Guy Guy magazine type things, then so they they're testing for epo and all those things yeah i mean it's still pretty primitive and ultra running um like

1:17:18 They weren't like individuals that were like kind of like a poster child of the sport necessarily. people i think nowadays like with icarus and all that stuff like now people are It's like you have to do it to be in the sport almost. Yeah, I can imagine. See, runners high. I've only done it a few times where I got super baked and went running. But I would imagine for some people it's, you know, euphoric.

1:20:25 out like like why that's criminalized well whereas alcohol isn't and that sort of sort of thing yeah um and avery's been like a pretty big proponent about kind of uh destigmatizing it um and but But it was like the equivalent of like 16 cups of coffee or something like that. Well, it's interesting. bottle and then i looked at it says like four servings i'm like oh shit well each serving's

1:22:13 I had to stop. Was it called Jack 3D? Yeah. I mean mean i'll use caffeine Well, I feel like if you're just sitting around doing nothing, Yeah. different. So definitely not an idiot. heavy sugary drinks after a very hard workout, it's not a bad idea to replenish the glycogen a high fat approach. And we've had a little bit of a glimpse into it from some studies.

1:26:09 And one thing that they saw was like the high fat folks actually had this kind of big like surge of glucose in the bloodstream post-workout. like this is what, diet where that would be kind of a red flag. And, um, so like to, to hit the body with another Thank you.