Joe Rogan Experience #1112 — Cameron Hanes Transcript

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0:00 People were surfing, though. Yeah, they caught those waves. Yeah, I worried about a tsunami I even asked the guy, like, which way do we go? Oh, stunning. Yeah, man. Good place to visit, though. It's beautiful. Oh, stunning. Tough bow hunting for sure. That was awesome. Yep, with night vision scopes. You let me take that deer. of your chances of success, though.

2:41 like these things. No. Or a basketball game. You'd be like, okay, what do you do about these things? That may be the only way to do it other than hunters. This is like, it should be 70, but so many deer. I mean, 3,000 people on the island maybe that yeah that's That's just a small island with a small population of people and a massive meat home it doesn't matter those deer there's no gimmies they're trying to stay alive and they know

6:11 It's different than, say, like white-tailed deer. it through the winter. Like they had to eradicate the goat population on the island because people brought goats there and the goats literally had decimated the vegetation to the point where the island started going into a drought. want the new brows yeah yeah new growth yeah well it's uh i mean as far as our trip goes and that was

8:36 It's incredible. Might be something to that. Salmon? How good is salmon? They're like, get me the fuck know they taste good yeah maybe hey might be You know what I mean? When you see guys go out there and do that on a new hunt, a new country for new animals, it's impressive. He's a good dude. easy you know i mean binoculars, no problem. But it was, yeah, crawling for a long time.

11:33 This is a good spot. too like i was wearing a camouflage face mask and a hat and i had a camouflaged backpack by the was my phone fucked up. I didn't use any apps. Like, this is better. or that she's in the wrong. A lot of people fucked a lot of people since that time. think she has that money anymore. just lie all the time and be the president because how could we trust you if it comes to something

14:37 Yeah. Ten years before he was elected or whatever it was. Thank you. But, okay. mine about Hillary Clinton and he's a big Hillary Clinton supporter to the point where comparison, she doesn't lie as much. I'm like, what are you talking about? These are lies. It So most people that do, they'd be like, they got this dream guest list, you know, the wish list.

17:17 We were talking about this on the plane ride. He only sleeps three hours a night. I like people that are interesting. their brain and ask them questions about stuff that to me is interesting some sort of a deal or something like that, I would like him because I would think he's People are so conflicted, one side or the other, against him, that if you wear that hat, they will kick you out of places.

19:32 but he's, people no no i think there has been well i think most people live in an echo chamber yeah and if That was fucking six months ago. I think he was losing his marbles. listen, let's not start a nuclear war. How about in the fact that his methods are Yeah. to do something different because he's the president right you know yeah now you're working

22:30 But then I'm thinking, so I gave you the belt buckle. super successful business people And everybody else is wearing a suit and ties. I don't know. i done this can't be good because it was after okay so trump put out the tweet and he said And so, because I was, you know, I know just from hunting in Africa and how it works and access to the land and they pay for the right to hunt these animals. So this place had been in

26:15 And what happens is when they don't have the concession, they can't pay for that land. So $2 million to protect basically their investment, which is those animals that were in there. africa each year and the number is about 400 400 to kill legally in the entire continent of africa yeah People hear elephants are going extinct. How many thousands a pound?

28:35 Yeah. There's a food chain going on there, and humans, here where we are, we're so far above the food chain that we're like sitting in a platform looking down, watching it. And the reason that's happening is because the hunting had to move out. people to swallow because what i this is from the point of view of someone who loves wildlife i this just looks wrong.

30:36 But you've got to fix Africa first, and you're not trying. is it to shoot a Neil guy or something like that? Yeah, it's all about the animals have to have value. There's value in it being alive. Yeah, well, that's happened back and forth both ways, right? The animals that were being protected are now just being slaughtered by poachers. Yeah. Yeah. by the outcry over Cecil the lion.

34:26 it got to such a weird point where there was this discussion about Cecil's brother that Cecil's brother got killed Jericho So it's okay? What am I doing? The whole situation sucks. Look, wildlife in Africa and high fence wildlife is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. that money to pay for the anti-poaching just to go take a picture it's like if you go it's just

37:13 They're the exact same animal, two million years ago. There's no big game animal in North, Exactly. He created this new, I guess it's a bill. They have to have a way down into the low country to where they can, their winter migration to where they can survive the snow with the vision on keeping our animals healthy well this is another thing that we talked about

40:01 Patagonia did an awesome marketing job. protecting land is never excessive. Right. What he wants to do is make sure people have access. So they want to put road systems. I think the road systems would this about um and so uh what what it is Right? we still need to be able to protect those areas but this wasn't It would be national forest. things are?

44:56 You know, some of these, it's political in some respects. They had opened up, what was the area, Jamie, in Alaska where they were going to open up You're not making money. we do if they contaminate that. if you protest enough, you can stop something like this happening before it does. I'm not making a nickel off of it. But they're making billions of dollars and they're fucking up the

47:14 There's got to be areas we have to protect, wilderness areas. Beautiful rivers that are polluted now. That's the real concern. Which is very interesting. So he's completely, he's a congressman out of Utah. So I didn't really like there wasn't really a way to determine what was disposable. I did. Well, you know, I always defer to Ronello when it comes to things like this because he's so well versed in it.

50:37 it's just giving people more access through roads, You know, I asked him about, he was getting beat up because the National Parks Advisory Board wouldn't, he wouldn't meet with them. What was that? that he's, he really I think he over I don't even know that Well, if they are the typical government employees, and what is the typical government employee?

52:54 They think of incompetent, lazy, entitled. They were, I don't know if all 12 of them. It's like you don't do this for money. and public land, things that are like really dear and important to people. Yeah. This, this is until they did what he asked they didn't say that I don't believe what you just told me. so the secretary of interior before zinke, I had no.

55:52 At least I have a seat at the table to say, and I might get kicked off this council. and there was an article equating you with being a trophy hunter, They care, they're volunteers, just like on the Parks Advisory Board. and he'd been a professional hunter over there a professional hunter would be a guy who hunts. He said, we'll review each one on a case-by-case basis.

58:35 You know what I mean? no they're not right but it's also not mutually exclusive to be a trophy hunter and eat the meat. had crocodile and i've haven't had lion over there but uh um i um that meat is i mean the villagers that live there man it's they they need it and i there was a documentary on cnn recently it it's crazy they show up with baskets on their head filled with elephant meat and they're carrying

1:00:44 This is not like a simple, like ban the trophy hunting and the animals will live peacefully He did a thing on this hunting thing in Africa and he was over there for a long time. And when he was over there, you got a sense because he's Louis Theroux is a really Like, it's a mess. And chase off the lion and steal the meat. But in that hesitation time, they try to cut off that leg and get out of there.

1:02:57 people are running in it's on human planet if you want to watch it i think it's on netflix or And they're super intense. So, jesus christ yeah there he goes to feel happy he goes with a I was not happy and because that meat is to me it's everything it's everything for the hunt and i was so disappointed in myself even reading this stuff like go have at it folks wait just walk away how did you how did you know what they

1:06:31 i've been pretty frustrated i've whatever i'm not gonna say i don't read them because obviously i It feels good that all the ethical consideration that you put into making a perfect shot is all worked out. win the championships and everybody's jumping up in the air. And like I said, I posted on it to be merciful. He ran down, stopped at 30, hesitated again.

1:08:53 But it ended up it wasn't as quick a kill as what I have in my mind, what I prepare for, what I'm happy accepting. Yeah. But there's nothing you could have done better, right? This is, you know, it's a big animal. And to watch him wobble away like on very unsteady legs, walk to about 20, 30 yards and then tipped over. but also of remorse. on these bucks that I killed,

1:11:25 That's what we prepare for. but it's very hard. But if you just like, what's on your face, bro? And it's so incredibly easy to do. Okay. 320 million? And how many of them are only eating that? want game meat and they take that fucking mooch. He's jacked. If you ask him, he'll say he does. It's like, it's fucking hard to get elk meat. Yeah. And he was like, this is so awesome.

1:15:52 Yeah. He makes like a- Yeah. until I was in my 40s. You want to kill that animal because you got a little dick. hey let's look at that uh bear attack the selfie poor bastard we forgot to do that well that was That's why. Look at it. What he's got to do... Okay. Yeah. We've lost him. Eh, it just says what a bear looks like. I've done that before. smart at all it's definitely not um yeah but it's uh you know you can read bears bears have uh

1:19:35 That dog is a loving dog. I don't let anybody fuck with him. I've had you for 14 years. Get up. Bears are just like that. How do you feel about animals killing animals? Yeah. That's killing them. They can. smart i know they have like tight bonds in their community and you don't have to kill one of those Like, how is that possible? 1,000 human deaths since 2014.

1:22:53 it said two other people were killed in that state in India, What size is India? Yeah. It says it's slightly more Oh, that makes sense. Jesus Christ. There's Africa is some places in Africa. Because Africa is hilarious. That is crazy. The true size of Africa. Unless you go to these certain bars in Santa Monica Boulevard. hey speaking of i don't know what we're speaking of, but we need to talk about Kanye.

1:26:12 He called him a bald People believe everything you say about me. He loves nuclear bombs and he loves physics class yeah so trump i've just been one before Because Fox News is blaring propaganda through your house all the time. Oh, he's got an exclusive? Everyone thought they were going to be on his show together. is really Kanye just getting people hyped up about the release of his new album,

1:28:12 and a few reports now on blogs or magazines, where he had that little kid he used to do little kids saying things that Kanye said. He's a nice guy. What did he cry about? he gets from ireland i had to hold back the tears did you being honest i was being honest i was This guy was talking about his family members that were killed by lions. And it's about this one pack of lions that got a river changed its path and they got stranded on an island.

1:30:38 That's protein. Fucking amazing. Those things are solid fucking delicious and they look disgusting in africa they say hyenas are uh witches Yeah, you can't really tell in that picture. Right, right, right. You can't really tell. which is really confusing to biologists. Look at this. people would have a Yeah. That's life. killed or fawns yeah are killed by bears they just they just tear

1:36:01 Well, they're going to have to hunt them, but they're going to hire people to hunt them. that even voted on this yeah i mean it was like just a few thousand people voted on it and most And it's very difficult to determine what the actual population is if they're not listening to the people that are on the ground every day. They have, they wear baseball hats and fucking ties.

1:38:06 That's a bear. It's like people think that somehow or another you can't eat bears. And they're just fucking like there's no tomorrow. bad you know that one speciesism i do you're a species i'm a speciesist god everybody is when Not, I almost said He's a vegan. Yeah. Do you really understand? I don't even, when I put that up, I don't even like to watch it.

1:40:58 I wonder if it's just a convenient thing that they just look past. deers don't eat bears you know so i feel like if you yeah if you felt like they were both equally that we hunt yeah the variety of it i just like the fact too that i'm not getting meat from some tainted with antibiotics and hormones. Yeah. Getting natural food. There's no more natural

1:43:06 take kanye hunting if you do i'll take anybody hunting would you take kanye where would you take The bear we're looking for, we're looking for the big old male. That's gorgeous. No. Can you imagine Kim Kardashian wandering around Wyoming? Why is it stupid? Yeah, if you covered her with beef covered her would be fat a fun horror movie If you don't have a challenge in your life, the human mind,

1:46:06 Archery is insanely difficult. because i took him a bow back there He used to shoot a compound bow without a release. Well, that's not. Well, that's it. Can't tell. why'd you pull that one out? Yeah, see right there. And they switched it up a few years back and started shooting with sights. and it ricocheted off into the crowd. to wear dresses men are gonna wear dresses soon because of kanye that's what jamie's telling me

1:49:11 Yeah. these kids are up to. That's for sure. Well, I'm not off it. He's got no fucking discipline. I can't get off. difficult task, not difficult. Like, uh like I needed to go back to it quickly. So it was, I think, later in the morning, normally when it'd be like, okay, let's go get something to eat. It was an awesome day. especially when I was doing it by myself.

1:52:49 Creeping, trying to, and it's, there's something about that that's so, it's so primal. eating something that has a connection you have a massive connection to it yeah and that's i i Oh, that one you saved? And it is. Yeah, because it's like the learning curve. Yeah. Right, right. the most difficult kind of hunting. quick but um backpack hunting is probably the hardest physically, right? Right. Yeah. I mean,

1:56:19 like I would imagine that backpack hunting in the mountains is also more It's a little better now because people have way more access than when I started. shop most people have those i know there's one down here in San Diego, performance archery. taken control of is the repetition and the discipline with shooting an arrow and doing it People don't have any idea how much anxiety and how much adrenaline is pumping through your system when you're drawn back on an animal.

1:59:04 trying to go through your shot process without flinching and fucking panicking and your arms are shaking and you just trying trying to go through your shot was a long time in there where it was like, what are we doing? are to holding that animal, to making a good shot. Ready, action. They're tense because there's so much going on. Yeah. Did that really happen?

2:03:05 spot you want that arrow to hit as the thing's releasing all under extreme anxiety and pressure going to be comfortable. It's not always killing animals. Like, wait a minute, wait a minute. I feel like I owe it to the animal to be at my best. I feel like if the animal suffers longer than I believe it should, it out that, you know, it's just part of the process. It just feels right.

2:06:28 I need to work harder than I've ever worked. this guy i'd be like he's full of shit yeah and it's not a fucking you're on a marathon you're The second time I run is at lunch, and I got to get out of the office. So I say, they said, hey, do, but to be at my best there, I need a break at lunch. So I say, So I go running. And that'll be a marathon a day.

2:08:49 I don't feel anything. time every day. So that's what I do. I'm like listening to the schedule. let's see, I'll get home at about really what you watch at night we watch the voice god damn these liberals we watch the voice no or So on those days, I'm not going to get a marathon done a day on those three days. I don't know what it is. I can't halfway it.

2:12:34 And then your threshold and what your expectations are, they increase too. And this is the same person. I just feel like I'm finally getting to my potential. pushing hard there's a release of anxiety that I think overwhelms a lot of people for most of exercise is one of the most important requirements for like a happy, healthy life. I really do. And then I'm like, maybe that's okay for some people.

2:15:51 my boys who are being just a regular guy Is it hard because, well, it's hard, first of all, because your son is joining the military. Right. And he said that he wants to graduate and he wants to join the service and maybe try to go Like you want to say, I just want them to be happy. or someone like Andy Stumpf and be an awesome human being. The thing is about people that coast about stuff, if they have like a thought of doing better and they just don't put in the effort, they feel like shit.

2:19:51 are just it's like this feeling that you haven't done enough will keep you up at night yeah it What have I done? that's different. You just, Then what is the, what is the blueprint i mean just try to help them figure out their path in life I had to put in work myself. i'd felt like i was giving all i got backpack hunts deep into the backcountry yeah 2008

2:23:15 not to do. further to test your body and then you know a marathon seems out of reach but then the marathon But she, when you can finish a finish line and you're smiling, you're like, uh. you know, it's a different thought when you're not even halfway and you've just done a hundred. I need 10 hours of sleep at night. I had a one... And I woke up. let her sleep so long whoever was her right so she thought it was longer yeah and he was like no

2:26:51 Yeah. what i weigh is not gonna so i i kind of throwing myself in the category of richard and in a That's so impressive. High fat, high steak and protein diet. But, I mean, they're super tough and super talented. What's a talent? Most of it is, is, and Courtney said this too, she didn't realize how far she could push in the pain she It doesn't feel good.

2:29:53 It's like I've run and my foot starts hurting. Your feet get beat up. So it's just like all sorts of things happen. Yeah. signed up to do a hundred. It's one of my brother just, just did recently. It's called Badger And I think part of that was he wasn't taking insult. And now he signed up for Bigfoot. I think he can do it, and that's just as part of the process of learning what you're capable of.

2:32:51 It doesn't give you high blood pressure, folks. A couple of capsules of S-caps. Yeah, too deficient. I've only done it once, but it was a hundred mile in 2010. So you had never taken salt before? did it which is two years ago is i think 70 some now i think she's over over 100 in all these races That's really recent. Yeah. The business of the industry involved in hunting gear and goods and all that stuff.

2:36:26 That's probably where you're good at it. and if you put all your resources into the business side how are you going to have the so much with other people's thoughts and ideas and information and you you have a lot of things already in your head that you're going over and thinking about and managing and the more shit you Yeah. There's a lot of things that I've gotten out of this podcast that are really unexpected and peripheral.

2:39:06 that's very very rewarding to me and it's almost along the same lines of being able to provide Everything that I've ever put up on Instagram instagram unless it's my own stuff unless it's I can't because unless it was something I super believed in, then I might consider doing it, What is skinny tea? What do you know what's going on? I have, we talked about it at dinner.

2:41:15 Oh, it's in the Zeitgeist. Just shitty people. And they're getting paid to promote this? I saw on a Good Morning America thing he did that. What? Anybody. wearing a hoyt hat you are if you would you promote our balls i'm like fuck yeah i shoot I mean, you joke around. rogan show joe rogan experience and so it it's been a saying for a long time, but it is powerful.

2:44:03 He said, powerful Bert Kreischer. If she lives to be 120, that's a hell of a lady. I think it's 100% easy today that someone's going to live to be 150. Because I think technology and medical science is increasing its viability and its Colby Covington, don't slap me. I like what he's doing. The reason why Colby is fighting for the title, You got to sell, I mean, yeah, especially nowadays.

2:46:06 I see people hate on Colby for, pull up his record. Yeah. Stung Gun Kim and Damian Maia. Yes, he did. I mean it was it was a domination yeah I say this as a one of my favorite of all time, he's never fought for a title. So they've been grinding it out, beating good guys. Yeah, he only has one loss. Yeah, that's true. So, I mean, if he wins, then he'll probably get a fight with Woodley, right?

2:49:22 But Tyron Woodley has a video up on instagram with him But look, Tyron Woodley. That's impressive. i know what i'm gonna do maybe i'm gonna leave him scared yeah but wonder boy's furious wonder I don't want to fuck up his game, but that's not how he is in real life. Yeah. How amazing is that? It's going to be. Oh, God, I don't think so. Whitaker Romero.

2:52:58 Romero's body. Holly's fighting? Look at this card. There's some good fights. Real good fights. I really hope not all these fall through like normal. Because Dos Anjos at 170 has been a fucking monster. and he just beat the shit out of Robbie Lawler. Can't wait. You have marathons to run. Michael Chandler will be here on Monday. Baker. I got a lot