Joe Rogan Experience #1115 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 Five, four, three, two, one. That's right. We got a lot of wolves, and we got a lot of rattlesnakes. I'm going June 30th to Boise. But, yeah, bring your gear. that raises one perspective and one issue. It's a working issue that you got to sort out, particularly if you're a rancher or you're or something about Iran You go, did you? Stay out of Idaho.

3:28 Yeah. The gym and the indoor pool. Okay. Yeah. So what you're hearing is you're hearing a lot of the critics of the current president, and apparently there are some, that are saying, oh, he's inching us closer to a military conflict with Iran. There's other options in that decision tree. agreed to allow in the deal, right? Which is none of their military sites. The number of times

6:34 than the alternative when the alternative, you know, being war is not framing it properly. I So it's not like he got into the White House and the next day he canned the deal. I want good things to happen. You got to check your watch, too. Does it float? Well, this, it's like Dick Tracy. Yeah, okay. out it gives out yeah i got this uh g-shock it does all kinds of shit never used it once

9:40 Shooting azimuth and figuring out where you're at. Haspel. And I'll caveat this by saying I'm a big supporter of hers. I think she's an outstanding a handful of the senators were asking her feel? And I guess the reason I bring it up is because when I was in the outfit, I'm not I don't think you want everybody out there at the pointy edge of the spear, you know,

12:10 Trying to understand. And other people have forgotten or they're just tired of it all and they don't want to think about it. first time, what you used to do for the CIA so they understand that you're coming from a position drones, satellite technology, the U-2 stealth program. the Democratic senators who were looking to kind of make this the key issue,

15:29 real danger to people or for people that don't have any experience in actual war or really understand combat or really understand what can happen and what can go wrong in talking about it work environment. And I mean, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Well, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9-11. Yeah. anyone by saying that perhaps there's political grandstanding going on.

17:19 Yeah. By the way, John Brennan was far more senior in the organization at the time of that program being run. Well, interesting enough, I mean, that was in 2013 when he was confirmed. The focus should be going forward. They do. I don't want to be glib. the interrogation program. And they all knew about it. There were no objections raised at that time,

20:15 Because we've got big issues. they make these kick-ass phones, and the State Department has said, please do not buy them. Fake Apple laptops, fake Apple phones, everything fake. And so the reason why they're raising the alarm with Huawei and ZTE is because of the voracious appetite of the Chinese government and their commercial sector for information.

22:38 And to do that, by definition, you've got to compress your research and development time, right? and all that entails the cost and time involved, targeted and focused on their intel collection or their efforts to gather information. They were breaking the sanctions, I think. But is- I don't understand why it keeps going. Get your watch out. I feel like Dick Tracy.

25:28 When you take it off, the password comes on immediately. It's hilarious because you're talking about technology, because, I mean... We've got a – I've got three little boys, Scooter, Sluggo, and Muggsy. Xbox. But when he does it, it's enormously cute. They can unlock hidden characters by moving the joystick a funny way. in their phones that allowed them to spy on people you'd be able to find it and the tech guys would

28:20 And again, it doesn't matter. Russia does the same thing, a variety of others, even a lot of our allies. Everybody, to the degree that they have the resources and the motivation and they consider it an issue related to national security, whatever it might be, they're willing to do it. the third largest cell phone manufacturer in the world. into people's homes that could potentially spy on them. And then more importantly, get into

30:26 Huawei, first of all, Huawei is already present here in the country. of their efforts to acquire information, both in the government and commercial side of things. So again, North Korea, same thing. So that's where the focus has to be. And it's not worth anything. So that's where I'm not saying that they're using all the money we gave them to support actions against our

34:13 Keep doing that. They make a great phone. And Gina Haspel was like, well, no, I wouldn't buy a Huawei phone. a format as well any confirmation hearing is you know five minutes for each senator and yeah you I always like to finish my sentences with, what do I know? Let me get out of here. See who salutes. You know, Iran, is it a big deal? which is the frailty of our infrastructure and its susceptibility to either cyber attack or physical attack.

37:34 Yeah. And we have to them as well, right? People have their own perspective. You better hope we do it very, very well. doesn't even, when you look at human history, that is completely preposterous. Oh, Jesus. What are the laws on the books? Hey, it would be great if we all could be better people. there's an element out there that says, if we just take Iran as an example.

42:08 It happens. And unicorns. Maybe not unicorns. I guess that Oh my God, and unicorns. Well, maybe not actually do the passcode and say it out loud. negative response. So anyway, but they do this. I've seen the note. They didn't need the intel service because we won the war and things are going to be looking pretty good. I mean Americans tend to be – whether it's ideological or naive or just optimistic, whatever it is, that's a good thing, right?

45:41 And they come out with a dark view of what is possible Well, that's better than nothing. There's no doubt about it. Fine. So it's not going to work all the time. Not just over there. She's doing good. So they go after Sergei. So they're doing all the surveillance. Yeah, he is definitely – he's an old-school KGB, very easy cat to understand. Khodorkovsky.

50:18 You're building up these businesses, and we're making some money on the side. Because, again, we look at it from a different perspective. We look at it and go, like, how could people with a straight face, you know, stand by while he gets a fourth term and is just, like, you know, president for life? okay, well, I've got to sort this out in the next short period of time.

51:42 I mean, the Chinese really do play the long game. a 25, 30 year commitment, right? And they do that all the time. And, you know, we tend to look at if it's that sort of deployment recruitments I get. of being was just to see whether they bump into somebody of interest. And they weren't going to right? They'll pitch everybody and see what happens, right? They're not quite as patient

54:09 What's this dude's name? Chinese American Well, part of the attraction from the Chinese intel perspective is the Chinese ethnic background. And the second is, how does someone do that? which is very convenient that we think that way. to do underneath the laws of that time and the DOJ, Department of Justice regulations But this idea that sometimes you'll bump into that where people – I don't know what it is.

57:11 But that is exactly what it is. No, I think that's true. But who did you vote for? I mean, the only collusion we've really proven up to this point is that DNC colluding to keep Bernie down. Well, he hasn't made much of an issue of it. I'm sure she is. not upset with others, but I think he Because Joe Biden, people don't remember this, but in the 1980s, he got busted plagiarizing Kennedy speeches.

1:00:43 But he's run a couple of times. He's like, crazy Joe Biden said that he could beat me up and he would go down fast and hard. To the death. Maybe, yeah. Oh, we got to get this going. I mean, if, I mean, you think about all the, you think about the things we should be talking about on a daily basis, right? But we can't – Like that made me think this might, they're both smiling.

1:03:39 Now, maybe nothing comes of it, right? And the fact that this guy's a young guy who actually likes Dennis Rodman, I mean, Jesus Do you remember Robin as a player, man? that guy would be up all night drinking and partying and then show up and play fucking phenomenal the next day on zero sleep. He's like, motherfucker, I went to sleep. Listen, man, the way you talk about it, I'm thinking about getting a fucking house out

1:05:13 For wolves, too. Yeah. Yeah, the fishing's supposed to be incredible. Better than Montana? Unlike Sun Valley, Ketchum doesn't have a big summertime attraction like a massive lake, where there are massive places. It's crazy. Just take a couple of days and, you know, spend a little time up there. he actually took a coyote as a cub and we've talked about him on the podcast many times i'm

1:08:19 Ryan Callahan, my friend, just tweeted me, or just texted me. Look at his fucking—so they're shooting squirrels. and see the badger see the badger up there in the right And he says that you can, given the option of fight or flight, they will often fight. Somebody sent me a clip of an incident where a police officer was driving down the road, now watch what happens this is insane So the cop is standing there.

1:10:39 Now it's still moving. He realized it was not responding as expected for an animal that was not being cornered or trapped. That groundhog's coming after you, sidestep, bitch. I'm just saying. Yeah. I mean, anyway, I thought that was interesting, and someone thought it was interesting enough to send along. Yeah, well, you know... Probably. Maybe he would have killed it.

1:12:58 He's about to get fucked up by a dumb ground squirrel. because he wants to die. and you know they've been Like when they get horny. Because most of the time a deer even catch this wind that you're with his own hormones, and this guy Hey, fella. I don't think it's that. And your wallet's gone. There were occasionally reports of that. It did happen. Well, it could be a good movie, actually.

1:15:47 You should know where your pants are. Working in Beijing. He does what? I see a guy that I know who's with one of the companies uh that brought me in for this speech and and he's Don't do it. Wow. I mean, they've done this numerous times in the past. And I worked during the year as the man. I just, I can't, you know, honestly, I can't remember where I was going with this story.

1:19:11 president moon from south korea a very good sign um the chinese have uh they sent their foreign And so I think the Chinese for basically the first time have been aggressively assisting with the sanctions that were put in place. I mean, that had to get to North Korea, too. not simple, but the idea that, you know, And I think there's a sense that how long they can control the population the way they have.

1:21:48 Look, if President Obama was so enamored with that deal that he made with the Iranians, well, then take it to the Senate, right? knows where the Iranians are going to go with what they're doing. And people right now listening Look at all of that. Yeah, I think so. pretty moderate they're being pretty conciliatory you know and that's what we got the previous

1:24:55 the work they were doing on nuclear weapons facility. Mossad and some others, old news. It doesn't tell us anything new. Well, it tells us and confirms to us what we've been Now you got something. They just said, well, no, we're not going to sign a deal unless you stop that investigation. and hard negotiations. it is what it is. So, are they complying with what they've got in

1:28:32 But don't couch it as something it's not. Yeah. Yeah. go fishing with me so right like my three little guys you know or even my daughter she loves international You know, I'd probably spend a little more time. But I will tell you what's fun is that some of it does rub off, right? But maybe they picked up on something. A nice guy. Do you want more homework?

1:31:03 Or they start to imagine that there's something else other than just, what's the difference between the Congress and the Senate. I don't know. I think there's definitely some truth to that. summer jobs? Yeah. You felt good about it. Yeah, he could have mowed lawns this year. Let the little fella have a life. They get out there. But, yeah, you know, the work ethic, I think you're absolutely right.

1:34:15 but there was a story that popped up that some community, they had a cheer squad tryout, That's – Yeah. And that's a good thing that little kids are learning how to play the game and where to stand and all the rest of it. ah, you know, screw it, I'm not getting any playing time. Right. It's filled with it. Well, I was walking one of my boys, the oldest one off the lacrosse field,

1:37:40 were some parents around me as we were walking across And I said, well, that's true. He's just a jolly, happy guy. the older kids walk by and they hear these three kids you know six years old yelling this way and So I come home and I said, Muggsy, anything happen today? And do you know what this means? Just don't do it again. And I had no idea what he was going to say, but

1:40:20 laughing and the two other boys walked away disgusted yeah. There's not much my dad was the greatest guy I've ever known in my life And she looks down at her luggage, she looks down at the helmet, and she goes, shit. I mean, there's something really cute about kids swearing. I found a new word. It's cunt. I really rolled out douchebag until I was probably 12, maybe 13.

1:42:50 You've got to lock it down, right? So he can look up, you know, Steph Curry videos, things like that, I mean, you can't ask kids to process all the crap that's out there on the internet or takes a gun out of the house and shoots up a place? But it is strange how much access we have to disturbing images, violence, violent videos. But that was what you – I mean, that's how you learned, right?

1:45:07 You don't allow that? Yeah. Like, wow, the world's changing. forget about a growing mind and what what influence that has on society is really yet to be determined What my daughter went through growing up and access to information, which was uniquely different than now, even though she started, there was really no internet or anything, but then it exploded by the time she was essentially a tween, I guess.

1:47:08 Had that dial tone. I got a cell phone in the 80s. Yeah. So he could call me up and say hey you know this guy just got you'd have to drive around before that, before you had I would get fake cards, too. another trick open up the uh yeah yeah the line yeah no i i remember that we we used to before the But, yeah, in the old days, it didn't work that way.

1:50:06 But today you say fought in a phone booth, and people go, They just kept them up, yeah. I was out of nowhere. Pulled into a gas station. I remember when there was no answering machines. You could retrieve those messages. He was in the Senate. car. And so then he calls Johnson and he says, Lyndon, I'm just calling you from my car. Well, you know, if you're a senator.

1:52:58 Wait a minute. Yes, yeah. 45. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would turn it into some sort of wall art installation so he could send and receive messages. Wow. StarTAC? Yeah, there it is. Remember you can get an extra fat battery for it? It's got a great battery. Get yourself a Huawei phone. You think so? We're about ready to start a... I know that. I do like a glass of wine.

1:57:18 But she wasn't there. That's good. Let's go for it. Let's do it. So I approved fucking... Okay. Oh, you got a cabin up there, too? Every man who works too hard, just give me a cabin somewhere where I could just go. I'm going to get there, especially a cabin by the lake. It's crazy. You know, we got a lot of money to burn up there. Tiger Woods has a place up there.

1:59:48 Oh, I think so. You weren't wealthy. It's a hell of a drive to get up there from Boise That's the move, huh? Yeah. Where else are you going? take? It takes a while. It's not hurting anybody, and it's giving a lot of folks some real good ideas. Yeah, she brought it up to me. So that's a great part of the country. What a fucking weird spot to put a house.

2:02:12 to Idaho today. Look at that. Oh, geez. You're not thinking of Idaho. people. I know. That's really that lake? And during the summer, you just go out there and I think I'm done with skiing. Yeah. You got to adjust, right? Don't get hurt. And so anyway, I'm laying down down there and there was nobody else out i mean it was They just left you there? And then your pride and your ego.

2:05:00 Well, you know how you have a tree, lots of snow falling, you know, you got powder. And usually it happens, you know, when there's beautiful snow and it's all powder and you can't get out so anyway uh my wife and i were uh on the back side meh, it's the worst places to Or maybe I won't get my skis on. And you're trying to pull yourself back up. right? And then you're

2:06:51 is it was a beautiful day, indicative of how much shit you see in your life. I put it on my Twitter. Well, I was in Connecticut just a couple days ago. But anyway, this lady was walking her two little dogs, right? They found a mountain lion in Connecticut a few years back. It made its way all the way across the country. They're in New York City now.

2:09:00 Wow, look at the noise it's making. No. it's going down right now that was the lady That's the cat. It's on meds. the coyotes have made their way into new y City. You're going to start snatching dogs, and people are going to go, hey, they're not our friends. What was the best hunting trip you ever took? Yeah. And there's no predators. And you know they really have a lot of deers. What do you end up with once you dress it?

2:12:18 No, it's a fairly big animal. Well, that guy was not exactly the Usain Bolt of the deer. You get older. And it's filled with these deer. I don't do enough fishing. Oh, man. And he hauls up this halibut. And he's just like, he couldn't even put two words together. If you get them big enough, while I'm talking, I'll bring this photo up. 80 inches? We've got to let it go.

2:15:43 It didn't fly. Oh, yeah, that's right. Pretty much said. Then you've got to measure it. Six and a half feet. Yeah, 400 feet down maybe. Look at this. It's pretty tasty. How much did they give the Native Americans? $24. I mean, at least Manhattan is fairly small. doubled the size of the United States, saw these homesteads where people tried to make it out there and they realized you can't grow

2:19:38 You can still see, yeah, there's homesteads like that in Idaho. They don't often look Or The Men Who, The Frontiersmen or something like that. Mending. I'm thinking of. but it covers And quickly. face and I go what's going on And she's like, they ate each other? But, you know, it's just something about learning They didn't know what was going on. accurate.

2:22:55 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because the crew's always right there, right? He was telling me what happened. He's just eating anything he can find. own piss and trying to survive off of roots. I thought that's what they said. Maybe it was. food and water to keep themselves Like what if you're hungry that day? or Powell going down Were they really? it's anything

2:25:53 but the interesting by this all the time I'm never moving. One of the world's – one of the country's worst I had it. It's not good. Have you got it? Yeah. People are fascinated. just lingering. So I go into a clinic there, and I talk to the guy. And he figured it out. because we didn't get really a big freeze in parts of it, not all over. one of those diseases that comes

2:28:27 Yes. Can you spot all five ticks in this photo? Why did they do that? Yeah. Yeah. and we had a big pond out there Yeah, right? I had never heard that before. I mean, I eat less than I used to. I try to come back Another's got several stents. I think that's what it's all about. Yeah, the interaction between the two of them. But they're not asking what are they eating with the red meat.

2:32:40 the population eats meat. Not dietary cholesterol, but neither does American Heart Association. You know, even Weight Watchers now says that dietary cholesterol has no impact on your Everybody their whole life. Egg whites are not good. But the good part is the yolk. Yeah. You want use as many eggs as you want. I've been doing that egg white thing. Everybody their whole life.

2:33:31 No. Okay. Where the sugar industry paid scientists to take the blame off of sugar and put it on like they have a lower glycemic index, Fiber. or upper class, right? And so, you know, okay, well, so you've got a group of people that are disadvantaged in the nutrition side of things because they end up defaulting to the processed foods. Yeah. Yeah. And so you think, okay, well, so you've got a group of people that are disadvantaged in the nutrition side of things because they end up defaulting to the processed foods or the fast foods.

2:36:04 Yeah. And the essential fatty acids in salmon, omega fatty acids, salmon is just one of the best things you can eat. It's fantastic. Our kids like fish. But, yeah, we eat a ton of fish because you catch a lot of fish. And that is most likely what's responsible for heart disease, most likely what's responsible It's going to be a problem. But, yeah. out there and then there's so much uh you know we've talked about this before this is probably

2:38:25 He had massive organ failure and massive water retention was only 195 pounds. And he was an older gentleman when it happened. Yeah. vegan. diseases. It fixes- Well, I know I've had people that have gone vegan, and they got sick. And they Even grains are fucking terrible for you, man. All right, nuts and seeds. Yeah, almonds are fantastic And you'd eat oatmeal for like three weeks in a row just, you know,

2:42:10 stock in, oh, it tastes great or You want to stick around, right? Oddly enough? It's very satisfying too. Nice. Yeah. They like to grill. Okay, good. It's the best. Oh, yeah. with what you eat in the morning. you know, that's what you ate, right? Remember that? You were cracked up on sugar. I'll see you out in Boise, man. Don't talk.