Joe Rogan Experience #1119 — Howard Bloom Transcript

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0:00 try to keep this about a fist away from your face okay the best length how's this a little closer but Joe, I was absolutely certain I would never make it out of that bed again. went through me like a cannonball. And she just tore me to pieces. And she had to build a separate room in the front of the house and live there because I couldn't tolerate anything.

2:33 after it for years, because only academics had access to this real high-tech thing. And I had, me to control both computers from one monitor and one keyboard. So we had the keyboard up on foam bolsters so that I could see it when I was laying perfectly horizontal in bed. I built my first Boolean algebra machine when I was 12. I co-designed a computer that won science fair awards when I was 12.

4:40 So when I imagined I was going to write my first book, It's a more dignified name. but what worked for me is not necessarily going to work for you or anybody else. It doesn't have heating yet. And it's March 10th. It's still the end of winter. And so we go in I thought I had a cold. My technique for handling a cold, work your fucking ass off. That's unbelievable.

8:26 That was my vision of my next step in life, my future. Yeah. And the next day I got a call from a West Coast competitor offering me a lot of money. And The old personality couldn't walk anymore, couldn't talk anymore. I got hold of Napoleon Chagnon, who is the anthropologist who chronicled So this is a message board or? And Einstein said to be a genius, it's not enough to come up with a theory only seven men in the world can understand.

11:56 Now, admittedly, it's all on a computer screen and it's all via keyboard Eventually, my first wife, who I lost because of this, I lost a 34-year marriage because of the illness. He says, oh, I don't give those treatments. to your left nipple for the very first time, you feel in some cases like you've just taken LSD because this chemical goes coursing

14:32 You hook up the circulatory system to the circulatory system of a young rat, Yeah, it's really crazy. There was a doctor named something like C. Strunk in Texas who was using it on CFS patients. What are the other things that have worked? afternoon pills. And as soon as I was able, well, we had to find a bed in the infirmary, And I figured, I don't need this anymore. I'm perfectly healthy.

18:07 I don't sleep the way normal people sleep. the morning from roughly 11 o'clock at night or something like that, me a sense of life. For some reason, it's as positive as an elixir would be. Are you not supposed to go through the park at night? worked with Michael Jackson, Prince Bob Marley, and all of those people. And I'm co-designing a with a British filmmaker who's making a film about Prince. In the meantime, there's a film being made about my life

22:40 I have 15 projects going on at once, and I love it. Yes, autodidact. Autodidact, right. Well, I read two books a day from the time I was 10. I felt I was in a boxcar on my way to the end of everything I wanted to understand in life. They were crowded in on either side of you, supporting you. He was an ecstatic. hired Albert Speer to be his art director. So Albert Speer would art direct these massive

26:23 Yeah, you bet your ass. a publicist? One day I was in class. I was very serious about poetry. Poetry set a lot of the So if you have something heroic to do, start it now. So I was in a poetry class, because poetry Now get out that door. Well, it didn't turn out to be that easy. It's the first rule of science. Who the fuck cares? No, and I'm looking at this in the context of everything from the Big Bang to what's going on in our brains while we're having this conversation in the future you and I

32:17 When you say you worry about being, I mean, after all you've accomplished, how could you be typed? Yes, I absolutely. private school, but they made me promise to work in school. I'd never worked in school before, And I emcee those sessions, and I program two of them. My parents were trying to make me normal. And the energy goes up through me as if I were an empty pipe,

35:39 fact, they have never done it before. They surge down to the foot of the stage. They pick me up on their shoulders. Well, I mean, it might be. And I realized sometime when I was 12 1⁄2 years old Six months in, you're like, fuck this. Right. Well, what's just around the corner? Well, by now it's 13. towards you long before they could see you. He takes this tube, and he turns it in a totally

38:48 There are no gods beneath the earth. and that van Loonhok turned down Sorry, spirituality. Well, because they seem locked into a truth. would say, you have to understand something. If you are coming to me to fashion an image, And at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, very often there's a lyric there. So if you're willing, give me six weeks to study you, Why did they hate him?

43:51 And the press perceived this as trying to buy them. that community that you knew what John's music was, crap. And you know what his personality was, Yeah, and peer pressure is commentator, Thomas Carlyle in England in approximately 1832, wrote about the pop culture critics of his day. In his day, pop culture was novels and plays. And he compared them

46:20 his craft from the age of nine. And so he worked out every single move in advance. And we don't know we're on a certain level because we figure these are the range. them elbow. His left knee is at my right knee. And we have a meeting with the art director from CBS. competitors. And Michael opens the first page of the first portfolio, and he gets a square inch

49:11 I have never seen anything like this in my life. utterly beyond belief. And his commitment to his audience, to the people he called his kids, How do we? You have two Kindles strapped to you at all times. Chewing them? Why is it the best quality sound on those cheap-ass headphones? Yeah. The Samsung Note 8. It also, when you squeeze the sides, the Google Assistant pops up.

51:58 I know. can listen to it, and then as you're reading it, it picks up back where you were listening? Yeah, but you hire good people who do know those things. Look at you over there, Jeff. The problem is that his rocket Because you haven't seen it before. I don't know. And this is how it lands? But Elon is saying that he's going to get so precise in his landings

54:39 the pictures of the two boosters landing simultaneously within 100 yards of each other. And if you have a – there it is right there. Yeah, so the goal here is, up until now, NASA, which has been dumbed down so much it's ridiculous designed a rocket called the Space Launch System. And it's going to cost $30 billion to design it. And that's money that needs, we need that money to actually design habitats on the moon,

57:07 you a penny. All you have to pay are the expenses. And then I bought you a Boeing 737 for $325,000 and allowed you and one friend to get into this thing. And then I flew you to New York. And then Not very often, if ever. approximately $2 billion for all of them. It's costing NASA $30 billion to develop a turkey. and congressmen who are screwing us up because a country that dreams big gets big.

1:00:04 That's two generations, two and a half generations ago. I mean, they must... Yes, because these guys have said, okay, we want to use space shuttle, all you have to do is hit the congressmen and senators from those 47 states and they'll all back you. Imagine where we would be. It pulls together something like 66 countries and 3.3 billion people. the cradle of Western civilization, guess who owns it? The Chinese. And they're upgrading these

1:04:00 They are coming from precisely the people you fingered. Combined. you to get a round trip ticket for as low as $220 on a really good day. That's what's happening with because my mind is empty if I don't have, And heresy number one is that A does not equal a that's aristotle's primary The first things from movement? Are you joshing? No. 280,000 years later, they begin to sweep themselves together in these massive social agglomerations that look like big potatoes.

1:07:49 ball that the gravity ball explodes. It's usually a weasel definition. Ah. It says, a measure of the unavailable energy in a closed thermodynamic system that is also No, it is a little weaselly. It was the hot new technology. Right. Yes, that could be. Is that a technical term? Yes. And then they're squooching apart, and they're forming a trough. call soil. Well, think of the meaning of that word soil.

1:12:46 plants are growing in it trees are growing in it flowers are growing in it And the answer has been, yes. But it was actually written kind as they may be. So you have to put out attraction cues, They called it the Hippie Movement. that validated it, because they were a key act in the 1960s. And Eric said, no, no, no, I have is that Timothy Leary got this book when he was sick in bed like I was.

1:17:23 I was stunned when I found that out. paradise built in the 1960s. And all the people there, all the physicists were going around There's no such thing as an isolated anything. experiments that were set up in the lab, and once an experiment is done and accepted, then everybody who doesn't get the same results thinks he's doing it wrong and does it over

1:19:52 but there's that influence of merely being able to see them. Their faces were beaming. Arxiv.org, which is the leading site for preprints in advanced mathematics and advanced theoretical physics in the world. And so I downloaded it, put it on my Kindle, an e-mail that comes within two or three hours, Exactly. but one of the members of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics said that,

1:22:53 Essentially, nothing is isolated. And they're processing what we are saying. Both. Yeah. well descartes came up with the idea of i think therefore i am um he took a retreat in amsterdam his ink. He was sitting on the second floor, which means somebody had invented the architecture that Oh, there's lots of individual thought. Those bacteria I was talking about, they're in your gut.

1:27:40 Those bacterial colonies living in your gut, they do the rest of the digesting for you. A little of both. go into the sheep, it takes over the brain of an ant. And it gets that ant to climb to the top of and maybe last year a tiny little bit? To cordyceps? a public stomach in which they can carry this stuff, I mean, built into them, inside of them.

1:30:24 and that gets you excited. And so far as you can see, You're wasting your fucking life, for God's sakes. Empty, sorry. calls you an unemployed bee. And you are as depressed as if you were unemployed. How do sufficiently persuasive, it lifts you out of your lethargy, gets you excited, and you fly out. She's Now, that's a collective mind operating on the basis of 20,000 independent bees.

1:34:11 Antibiotics. So the scientists are very aware of the fact that the bacteria are getting ahead of us in research and development and are beginning to develop techniques to get around all of our Bacteria make war with each other. Yeah. When you find out one of the things, if you're trying to alter your diet, Well, again, I developed it myself. 2.30 in the morning?

1:36:35 So it's precisely pre-measured for you. sauces out of a jar, because I don't eat things that have artificial ingredients I take one frozen bagel, a big one out of the refrigerator. Why is that? And in the hole in the center, I put grape jam and strawberry jam. I eat before I go to sleep. So even having food in your mouth is just preventing you from having a good conversation.

1:39:46 experience you know i helped start the 60s so um i helped start the drug culture and that meant i did amphetamine twice it was brand new back then in whatever ever form it was popular pro vigil or So I'm giving three speeches this week at the. It's hard to imagine you being bedridden. We had to be able to ape it in our own minds so we could anticipate its movements.

1:41:43 Now, we didn't discover those bacteria until Anton von Leeuwenhoek dared to take his lens and instead of having it horizontal to measure fabrics or look at fabrics, Now, what has he just done, Joe, to the Royal Society? heard of another human being ever being thrown out of cosmology saying you're just uninterested yeah it wasn't that you were incompetent you really

1:43:56 nonetheless, I had these things I wanted to do. I was inspired by On the Road. I felt the Beatniks And he acted as if I wasn't even there. Yes. Yes, I had been barefoot for six months. It's done. That person with hair coming out of his head like electrocuted worms. Can I help you with something? Oh, you were early. This is all in how I accidentally started in the 60s.

1:47:45 weren't there, as if I were invisible. And every woman wanted to sleep with him. And he had this I was 19 or 18 years old. an idiot. He's talking about something unusual. And I start explaining to him what I'm doing. You have to isolate yourself. And I can't, I mean, I've tried Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, San Pedro. Cliques don't want me. Yes, that's very nice.

1:51:32 reaching all these people. And I've learned, I guess it's a discipline, how to be alone in the midst of a lot of people. and to give output to other human beings. So I've figured out a way to be utterly isolated in the midst of a bunch of people. Oh, wow. I'm sort of the mayor of the chocolateria, Don't give out the address. Yeah, Art Bell's show. And you just jump on and talk about everything.

1:54:20 And they call me the human computer because they can ask me questions about anything. I'm a huge fan of that guy. that i would listen to because it was am radio and i would get it from i believe it was a san I do global geopolitics. The guy who created the show with Art Bell, who created Coast to Coast with Art Bell, Why don't you put it out as a podcast as

1:57:00 Well, we'll try to pump you up. We can set you up. How much of that UFO stuff do you pay attention to? let me try to get across a weird idea okay okay um once upon a time in the 1940s, there were two guys, Conrad Lorenz and Nico moving her hind back and forth to get in place to incubate her chicks, your knee and your leg shoots out and you had nothing to do with it. He figured this is the

2:00:26 A lot is riding on that egg. A lot of you. And the phony egg. And the phony egg would attract like fake tits. Those are things called supernormal stimuli. And the idea is that they bring these the blonde and blue-eyed Aryans, behavior at the podium that attract people in. And a guy named, well, there was a Jewish kid from a backward town, a really backward town, who only had been trained in manual skills. And he started

2:03:40 His prediction of a kingdom of God arriving at that particular Passover ceremony turned out to be utterly wrong. response, a supernormal reflex. supernormal stimuli that evoked them. And when you're doing art, when you're doing almost twice the length of a normal book. And I was able to do it because I had told all the stories Don't you think when you think of supernormal stimulus that when you see, you know,

2:07:14 Even though you know it's fake, it still hits whatever that genetic button is inside of your head. Yeah, well, that's the general idea. in which we've ever discovered any evidence of life, and it's down here on Earth. The fact is that there are only something like 16 different forms of those quarks. all following pretty much the same principles. And we do know that there are biomolecules, carbon-based molecules,

2:09:56 You have 100 trillion others. molecule or mollusk single molecule the odds are that there are millions of other planets that have life. I read everything about them. Maurice, if I've got you right, So I said, okay, there's this scientist from Cornell University, we tracked down Carl Sagan's summer cottage telephone number and I put together a conference call between Maurice white and, um, Oh God, what's his name again? Billions and billions

2:13:20 Didn't he want to just sit down with Maurice Did he have like a source? and she was kind enough to almost mentor me. I've heard the exact same thing. And when he showed up on stage, because I consider myself competing with him, because I've always wanted my own television series. whole bunch of people who wanted to take selfies. They don't get autographs anymore. They take

2:16:03 But he is amazing. So we talk about that incandescent power when you go transcendent on stage and you become an empty pipe through which something speaks through you, even though they're words that you've thought out for years. Yeah, right. But then it takes off the way And we're all aware of the fact that there is some supernormal intelligence. But you're more than 86 billion neurons working together.

2:18:15 in this collective brain Right. Beast, a radical revision of capitalism. And it says that there's an underpinning imperative in capitalism that nobody gets, look, I've got this artist, she's been turned down by 23 record companies, And if you let me do the strategy, if you work as hard as I do, 17-hour days, seven days a week, attention on your lead singer and you cover my ass with the band, I guarantee you I will give you a star.

2:21:08 What does this have to do with this desire that people have to know that we got our wisdom from the stars? on the face of the earth a very does this make sense it does i don't know if it necessarily Alien DNA being introduced into primate hominid dna right Crayfish have a thing about heights. I mean, that architect, I've always said, seems like what we're going to look like to the architect. Well, if that architect has artificially shaped our DNA, then who shaped the DNA of the architect?

2:23:32 Right. Everyone will be one homogenized, homologized, what's that word? Homologization? Yes. And so did Jesus' religion disappear because it made a prediction and the prediction didn't come true? Yeah, but it has the power to hang in there for 2,000 years. and in many years you know and then they said oh we made some calculations right and we made some

2:26:24 May 21, 2011. He is coming again. Whoops! minuscule right the more we pay attention to it, the more it's just sort of of our position Well, there's a rabbinic idea because I'd read you an epigram that I wrote that's my favorite. But basically, for all we know, well, it's in the laptop. has never done it before, is like one searcher bee then think of all the cells we're patching together when we bring together all the creatures of the sea,

2:30:24 personality now. rats are normally repelled by the smell of cat urine. in order to get itself into the cat. rat as if it were a robot? rewire the rat's sexual reward system. but every mystery we solve, for all we know, somewhere it had to have been the first place in why wouldn't it be here well uh in um james fallow's and turning it into pistons and pillars and fuel for life.

2:34:26 change has been the norm on this planet for 4.5 billion years. This is one of those sacred once every six hours. a minimum of 86 degrees every, concern with what our role and what impact human races doesn't matter what we need to be after is climate state if we really want the climate to be the way it was in 1650 before the industrial and then people would love to break it down in a very simple one-sentence statement

2:36:38 They don't want the subtle nuance of what you're trying to express. and global warmings. Why don't we have fur? We are the people of tools. Because when you cook, you liberate a whole mess of calories and nutritive sources He certainly can't migrate. Once, you know, are extraordinarily adaptive. Because the collective intelligence Yeah, they domesticated house dogs.

2:40:48 Here it is right here. Look. Absolutely amazing. Chimpanzees are not highly adaptive. What's the measure of intelligence ability to adapt? Yeah. new bacterial tricks But bacteria are 12 miles beneath our feet right now, So what is nature telling us through these bacteria? regarding it as something imposed on them by a higher force. so we go through a climate change called summer, fall, winter, and spring every single year, and it's a pretty violent climate change. And we have a planet that's been iceball Earth,

2:44:40 And we go through a Milankovitch cycle. has been relatively stable. That's not normal. The norm is rapid climate change, much more rapidly heading for Jamaica, send out a laser beam, lays the outer edges of the hurricane so that you change the heat at a certain point on that hurricane and redirect it so it doesn't hit Jamaica. that have been roasted and barbecued by this forest fire?

2:46:55 What causes this very rigid, I don't want to say scientific dogma, but dogma in terms of the way you're allowed to talk about climate change. Well, one person did. When I got hold of Lee, I forget his last name, but you would recognize it. Well, what really put the environmental movement on the map was Earth Day. And the pictures were horrifying. He walked out with that same serious frown,promising without saying goodbye without saying thank you

2:50:01 And environmentalism was built to get into the brains of young people and never There would be no room for us. United States? moved the goalposts yeah Now we need to do climate stabilization technology on a big scale. to come out of all of the climate people's mouths. Let's do it. Do I look like I would ever say no to a conversation with you? What time is it? Thank you.