Joe Rogan Experience #1122 — Donnie Vincent Transcript

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0:00 Five, four, three, two, one. Donnie Vincent. Yeah. or whatever and it's just quiet. I assume it's I think it's the best way for people to relax. Oh, total silence. I don't mind having the salt in my ears, but some people get a little weirded out by the salt. jug of it right but uh the other thing is that it just gives you alone time in a way that you don't

2:35 packing, moving, everything was so frantic. And then when I started realizing that if I would I think that we take this attitude that we have in the city I thought I had to accomplish something. So I'd go to site A and hunt there. Then, and I tried to, as horrible as the sentence is to say, I try to kill as fast as I could so I could get out of there and go to site B and site C. And then I started realizing, I actually had a friend of mine. He's like, man, I think you're, I think you're hunting too much. I think this is going to catch up with you and the experience is going to start to degrade for you.

4:26 villains or they're getting it from these outdoor tv shows which i don't think a good do a good job down a river. put some of your stuff up online here where you get a It drives me nuts. your editing, And just the overall experience is relayed very well like you They would call me and say, Oh, uh, where, where, where are you right now? Where are, This doesn't have to be pretty.

7:56 know. watching salmon come up a river to spawn. I can tell you all of these things, But this is how we engage as hunters into these environments. but very important. What they're about, they don't want any animals to be pets. And the idea being is that for the critics, the idea animals loose and have No. Yeah, like You know, the idea of ethical treatment of animals, I'm 100% with that.

12:04 has been in those swimming pools. In fact, there's been instances where they've saved people. with wildlife in my life. that were hunting and we kept as they would come up they were chasing salmon as they would come up and he rotates on his side, dragging his dorsal fin along our side, exhales, covering our director of photography, Like, I didn't want to be one of these, you know.

15:03 Well, there's a long history of killing people in the past. it was, you filmed as much as we could cause it happened really fast, And it is just, you know, when you drag something against another object with force, I guess it makes sense. I've always said that if orcas weren't real and Bigfoot was real, we wouldn't give a shit about Bigfoot. They have this family organization and they all stay in their clan

16:58 He was a walrus trainer. i think they could still breed them though i mean the whole thing is fucked up man Yeah. hunting or have, um, maybe damning questions than I do from hunters themselves. You know, I get, but I get a lot of questions from non hunters and then people that have some 97% of the population eats meat and the the started getting older and really considering what i do with my body and what kind of food i put in

20:30 It's a sickness. the farms that do treat their animals like that, but it's significant enough that they're worried And you're not going to want to consume the food. Is this how I would want to die? why would you kill it right that's yeah that the big question. Yeah, it's not hard to wrap your head around. But it's also, I mean, it's protected by people that want to go in that water.

23:46 animals or in certain instances like if you're in alaska or something like that and hunting a stable that is how it works for like 15% of the people. And so there's, and still those people are engaging and still, you know, and there's No one's growing anything but weed. It's very strange. vegan, or a vegetarian, rather, for There was a lot going on there because I was trying to fight at a low weight class.

27:14 and fucking rats and mice and killing countless bugs so the idea that you're getting away without We went one direction. I don't know if I'm going to see it. animals. We have awesome thumbs. Oh, that guy. In fact, if you drive from L.A. and you go to Fresno, So we pump in the nitrogen. And so you're, so then the next year you don't have that detritus material creating all the

30:13 all that into the plant and we harvest it and we just There's erosion, all of these soils. All this algae hits this nitrogen and phosphorus. and I know there's reasons for being a vegetarian. Am I, you know, I, I went a few years ago to Newfoundland to hunt woodland caribou and And actually, when their populations are at a huge boom, they do the worst.

33:00 There is no black and white. Keep asking ourselves. a huge blizzard hit in Wisconsin on Halloween day. But you get what I'm saying. a factory farm, you're buying them from large scale agriculture, you're absolutely responsible The problem is how many other problems are going to be created by that. Like what's the first thing that they put in the petri dish? They're cloning it, essentially.

36:19 now we can get rid of the land. They'll get the farms and they'll get all the wild places out and they'll build even more houses because you can eat some beige colored gruel or laboratory designed meat and we can get even more people. us and there's you know wildlife and wild lands are protected there's federal land and you can't really build factory farmed meat houses on those places but now i see what you're saying but there's

37:39 I don't know. it's not clean it's like life itself life eats life and if you want to claim the moral high And there's a lot of ignorance attached to it, particularly with black bears, which are Well, than a deer or than us. Yeah. He's going, oh, my God, a skunk was hit by a car this morning. their environment. So I think scientists are probably making a summation that these bears have to process this information as they're going through.

40:56 Oh my word, are they delicious. I mean, the bears here, they have worms and their fat is yellow. I said, please. actually saw some worms underneath the you know the hide they have some they always have worms and so we made just these little tiny medallions. So, I mean, it's going up to a chef and be like, oh, yeah, But if you take the time to prepare the flesh

43:43 And especially if you're skinning something, Like, what are you talking about? Yeah. But he's like, if you kill a black bear, he's like, and you don't want the meat, I'll take it. and as he's opening it up, you see purple fat that's got to be in your cells. bear you're sitting there going does my fat look like skittles because i pounded a bag of skittles

46:33 And the whale was like orange and yellow. you talk about bear hunting you really you're going up against years of movies, moose calves right because there might not be a lot of mo, so they might not be focusing on moose calves, right, I killed a grizzly bear a few years ago. And then I wasn't even really thinking much about it, And really it does not take like a lot of people might think, oh, there's millions of moose though.

49:54 There's no moose. mountain lion for the first time in BC this winter and I was talking to the biologist there because I had great um contention about challenge their thought process. So who better to come up and go on a lion hunt? fight and it's, it's going to get rough and these dogs are going to get beat up and scarred And first of all, my friend, his name is Ben Storek.

52:34 Sleep in the cabin with him. So it was kind of like a movie. in how he takes cats the wildlife. but the lion will just stroll right through the pen you know, they, they wanted to rip this cat apart, I killed him and killing him was, um, neither here nor there. It wasn't, um, it was just an act. we're going to kill him. You know, they had tags too. Everything was legal.

56:18 I like pork, but pork is okay. And which is amazing that they go from a kitten to this thing was like 175, 180 pounds. or six seven years old he called the guy and the thing was um just had barely like he was like just But they're just so terribly successful. The thing is so much shorter. and so the wolves the lions are so much more successful at killing than the wolves

59:30 us to nine kill sites that day. Wow. Yeah. So he's literally doing that while you're chasing. And then the biologist also told me, and I was like, man, I had a lot of contention while coming here and hunting lions. And he showed me data that they had on this one lion. I mean, he's just a super presser. So it's right down the same path as all the predators.

1:01:29 grizzly bear hunting maybe you can explain that for people who don't understand what's going on But, yeah, just this notion of like like the I don't know. They're an incredible animal. Yeah, or the help. one of those caged lions anyway. area, which is all fenced in anyway, and then they let it loose. I went into the wildest part and backpacked in and set up camp.

1:05:12 I would love to read that book. I don't know. this up, but I'm trying to pick a zoo animal. Will you come down and shoot a giraffe? I'd love The fence thing is very weird, right? there's trade in tiger skins and things like this but um so in these concessions and so these you 100%, absolutely. maybe really poisonous for hunting. I mean, people say, people say what was a collared

1:08:51 You'd have to be an asshole. I haven't grizzly bear hunted in British Columbia, but I wonder. Yes. like, oh, it's a brown bear. And they got real mad at him. Making me bear? Yeah. But they liked it. and again, this is all in preparation, right? and catfish fillets and putting them in milk. Yeah. I mean, would it be something along the lines of osmosis?

1:11:00 and it was like in a roast, if you will, Because I have people that think, I have lots of friends that think deer meat is disgusting. which is the chemical responsible for that fishy smell that we know so well if your cut of fish I've heard it both ways. And probably enhancing the flavor in doing so. I mean, that's one of the reasons why they grow so big on Kodiak, right?

1:12:56 I've eaten brown bear or black bear, rather. They're like, holy shit, this is fantastic. It's a strange, it's not a meat that tastes like anything you could put your thumb on. And it's just like we've done ourselves no service by doing that, There's no room for that guy. We're moving past the need to eat and consume meat. It's just that we have infrastructures now that make up for it, that make you, that allow that disconnection.

1:16:25 Yeah. And they actually owned one of the largest vegan food companies in the country. And they thought, can we find meat that is responsibly grown and sourced for people that don't want to kill it themselves? and doing that whole thing. they shoot the animal in the head with a hypart rifle and so they do just lights out boom done Right. and they were just trying to explain themselves

1:19:32 the ethical purity of their deciding to just eat vegetables and and the actual the actual health the vegetarian world they want us to think that we are basically herbivores and that we can get hey, do you want to continue along with the career that you're on right now? take some flower child and, you know, Yeah. I would like to know what the number is, if I had to guess, of how many people even cook their own meat.

1:22:32 Yeah. And I just saw flying here to meet with you, I just saw, I think it was in the Minneapolis airport. And literally, you can read that sign and all these people will be like, oh, that's This isn't just meat, but this is just dinner. and then the kids that are eating the food, so they're not cooking shit. So this is the ideology behind it. and it's a small number of people.

1:25:23 And some of those folks are vegans and Because that's a lot of the people. Most people are not like that at all. Yeah. messiness that we're all inherently aware of that life eats life big Big time. There was a guy that I did a podcast with out of Maine, and he was for sure a vegetarian. a podcast with him and he and he told me that um and he'd eat insects he didn't want it he was

1:28:15 and then it's a buddy of his wanted to take him fishing and they caught a trout and he's like oh Try a moose. mannerisms, right? You watch a black bear for a half a day and you're like, you see your dad, But that's where this, I think that's where this really cool engagement comes from with hunters. I don't even think we have that in common because I see how you hunt,

1:30:02 It's like same with the vegans. He's a vegan. He's been a vegetarian his whole life, but he said he would eat meat that was hunted. I've had some awesome conversations with people that were not hunters or get nutrition from this animal. with wolves up in these areas and, and, and really engaging with the wolves and stuff. And just, and I'm hearing wolves howling.

1:33:25 Whoa. there's a big alder thicket right these these these bushes that are probably 10 to 12 feet high at me. And I just looked back at her and I, and I just said, Hey, you know, I just said, Hey, Now she's probably three feet behind me. She's doing the whole nose extension, getting a whiff. But I rarely took that thing with No. Why did she get That's a good question.

1:36:09 Fuck, dude, that's like you could touch her. standing the night before. It's all true story. She's sitting on her butt, sitting upright, know, that we put in place and put in place. And I had a tent where I slept and I had a genetics Dude! He's 20 yards away and he's paralleling me on this plank. caribou herds. And so they sent this biologist up there to research the wolves to see how many

1:39:34 They're kind of inquisitive. spawn, they all die, right? And so they would spawn, die, and they'd come back and they'd wash Yes. 100%. 100%. 100%. And actually, I feel bad saying this, and I hope I don't offend anybody, but I was So I just was trying to convince these guys because they wanted to blast these things. spent time with those wolves and i've had um you know in the in the idea of management like uh

1:42:07 So this wolf would be in front of us. There wasn't an ounce that I didn't have a – not a fiber of my body was afraid at any point. And if they weren't stalking him, tremendous respect for them. is there are there too many of them i mean unless there's a real issue see that was the thing for They're too much like dogs. So we're trying to really cut the wolves down here. And I saw a lot of wolves, yeah, there's a lot of wolves here. There's a lot of predation on, on moose here. So we're trying to, we're trying to really cut the wolves down here. But,

1:45:24 No. Oh my God. You did you see the dingo hunt that we filmed in Australia? No. Nobody's ever seen it before. And still that calf is monstrous, right? very quickly they look at you and they go yeah this is not gonna work out for me yeah but obviously they're that they're going to chase them That's so crazy. Yeah, he's barefoot and everything. going on a photo safari ever in my entire life i'm not climbing mount everest unless there's

1:47:54 I mean, um, and I was saying, you guys should have a thing for people that have zero desire to hunt. years. and we went elk hunting in Utah. It was trippy. So I'm just like, all right. So I'm'm stalking bull elk and i've never elk hunted before so i have no idea what i'm doing All of us. I'm not going to shoot him, but I loved – I was addicted to their reactions.

1:51:13 Where were you guys? the one photographer he's like that was a literal monster and it was like a three-year-old six by six, you know, four-year-old six by six. our way through just kind of do a journal hunt film the whole thing beautifully try to and tell Great experience. I'm sorry, Jamie. Just kidding. Fuck flat Bill hats. Yeah. I'm saying it. Yeah.

1:53:16 The, just, I think that what I was saying to these guys is like, without even having And it's one thing to go to the zoo, but you go to the zoo, And you realize like, wow, this thing is out there fucking earning, hustling, I mean, that is a, it's an amazing animal. years just like you just did you think about any minute of those nine years. And the same with like sheep, you know, or like

1:55:40 lose your life in a fight and when like i wish you know i wish we could kind of hold and having people go and stare at them in some very unnatural way, giraffes don't seem to have any fucking problem with the zoo. Yeah. Oh yeah, he got headbutted, right? oh no something else yeah oh yeah he still thinks he's looking through a camera right now he probably

1:58:33 They never even, they all, I would venture a guess that anyone that voted on that ballot Well, it's also, if you talk to the actual wildlife biologists, and maybe even more importantly, Absolutely. that because apparently there is some sort of a movement to try to educate people and get them to know skull that you're going to have on your wall and that's the problem i think that's the problem

2:01:17 I'm taking the head out last. And we purposefully did one last year in Nevada where you can see the elk's hoof Deer, venison, and elk heard of it. I've heard people saying Because there's a feeling you get from eating it, too. like, well, how much do I get know i've seen guys argue over that more than to keep it like really medium rare and just and he just loved it he loved it and and uh and he talked about like all those days that he hiked

2:04:18 First of all, you need to learn how to shoot a bow. This is not, don't say I want to go bow hunting like I want to go deep sea fishing on a chartered Yeah. Yes. And you've got to be in shape. Wild pigs with a gun is probably the first way you should do it. And hunting, because it's awesome. Because it's so much easier if you have a rifle rest and someone can take you to a range

2:07:35 because a number of people have guns and not everyone's paying attention. And it's a very small island. Because the next four days without killing anything, and I finally got another one on the last day. They're from India. Pew! Exactly. I actually studied tigers right out of college in Bangladesh bangladesh and nepal and i would see i would see axis deer there and they were i mean

2:10:28 The deer were just like on pins and needles. Like, what is the mechanism? you study in college wildlife biology biology. Yeah. Cause I with their buddies and just get hammered get hammered i think that's probably the worst case these things. And then I'd leave to go to Alaska on a black bear hunt. And I'd come home and go to classes and I'd just save as much money as I

2:13:50 guys that approached me to host a hunting TV show. And I said, well, I, what's that going to We want you to wear this clothing. filming together and we, when we just started kind of going on trips, but when we started going on Well, we would try and film everything. And then when we got done, we started putting together our and trying to convey something on film that wasn't me.

2:16:40 It was a story about a deer that I was hunting for two years in North Dakota. the fact that you named deer is idiotic and completely stupid. Yeah. And so when we're deer hunting with these animals, when you're on Lanai, you don't have this opportunity. We name motorcycles. Yeah. And I was like, all right, that's done. The bulls were screaming. saw four wheelers and side by sides and there's complete and utter intrusion negative intrusion

2:20:18 in this mountain system quickly expanded to 400 miles of dirt roads because people just trying to access wherever Right, and by ATV, you're talking about like those little rangers, those little— and yeah impacting the substrate and the soils and yeah bad yeah it's on one hand i say well I'm talking about able-bodied, middle-aged and young men you know,

2:22:41 uh, all comes down to that um that barrier of entry right yeah i thrive the most like it's for me else because most people aren't going to do that. No. Most people aren't going to. Especially, you know it's like when when you're accessing when you're going deep and there's not atvs there's not is just an unbelievable elk hunt, but it's a private land, but I'm going to give it to

2:25:04 And so they want to disparage anybody who can because there's a barrier for entry yeah Oh, for sure. Like you see, you know, I see this every year when I go to some of these hunting shows around Yeah. killed it i here's what i would do if i was a billionaire or had the cash. I'd buy the tag. I'm telling you right now to your face, I would buy that tag often if I had that kind of money.

2:27:11 They want the bragging rights. or hunting with your dad or whatever, around this big fish that's going to be really hard to land it's such a special occurrence Like, that's a really remarkable experience. and you know you're looking around for somebody to tell it's just a huge experience they're trying dilled it if it's a truly wilderness experience you've really did your homework and i know i'm

2:30:11 You're supposed to go up and down those mountains. It's not interesting at all. well, you're using a compound bow. shooting their rifle. Some people really enjoy shooting their bow. I don't think we should split hairs there. Just realize that the bow hunter maybe had to go to the next level rather than seeing It does. like I was in Wisconsin because people are hitting them with cars all day long yeah you literally couldn't kill enough deer that day in wisconsin you better manage those fucking deer because people are hitting them with cars all day long yeah you literally couldn't kill enough and we were eating

2:33:47 It was epic. would want people to start with your films. creative way and beautifully visually stunning way that I think you've done Well, if you can write in this certain manner, give them some sort of an education while you're telling them the story and do it poetically. I can't wait, man.