Joe Rogan Experience #1124 — Robert Schoch Transcript

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0:00 Ready? Five, four, three, two, one. Anthony West, I think was on with you a couple of times, maybe. He was very proud that, I guess, Well, his work, that DVD series he did, Magical Egypt, was amazing. that this really opened up a new field, You have to remember, I'm a faculty member. of construction in Egypt and that there are some structures that are far, far older than

3:12 passed away in 1961, but he had mentioned in one line that the Sphinx had been weathered by rain, I would say precipitation, as a geologist, not wind and sand. So this, if it were true, He was then looking for someone that could really validate or at least assess from a scientific point of view this theory about the Sphinx, at least assess it scientifically. He met a fellow in Egypt, actually, at the time,

5:27 Anthony West, and that maybe this was someone who seems fairly knowledgeable, fairly open-minded So there were two things going on in my head back then, which maybe prepped me for this. Number one, I was very well grounded in, quote, the status quo academic point of view. And something I already knew when I went to Egypt for the first time was that some of the very old Egyptologists in the late 19th,

8:45 I'm losing my headphones. just because someone said it or because it's old or because it's this religion or that religion or within 30, without exaggerating, 30 to 120 seconds of first seeing the Sphinx. preserves a lot of the details. And if you haven't, if the audience has not been to Egypt, at the rock to carve the body. More or less, you could have chipped away at the rock with pickaxes

13:16 constructing them, than the age of the Sphinx itself. So it's not just the Sphinx, it's also huge blocks and then put them in position to make what's known as the Sphinx Temple due east of the and i know you're familiar with this personally because i've heard you talk about it with john I was thinking 5,000 to 7,000 BC. That was very conservative based on the geological data,

16:46 changes, which put, among other things, a lot of precipitation, a lot of moisture into the air, It's savanna to rainforest. that we're still part of, in my terminology, is the last 5,000 years. So civilization arising, The sun would induce a dark age because it brought civilization back to an earlier stage, if you would. Nothing in modern history is even close to this.

20:06 Really, most of them are at the beginning of the Younger Dryas. Not Randall Carlson. I know Randall very well. He was on with Carlson and Shermer, et cetera. And everyone has been assuming this has to be from a physical impact in the sense of We think of this as very localized. even small lightning strikes like that can cause, can create things like shocked quartz, other, quote, impact features that people have always said, well, it must be a comet or an asteroid.

23:20 Yeah, there could have been fragments of both. But I wasn't thinking about solar activity at that time, seriously, as no one else was. But we now find that comets diving into the sun when we go through comet streams, The Younger Dryas, 10,900 BC, on sediment cores and ice cores. We also have lunar data that supports this. At 9700 BC, we have incredible climatic change going from, you know,

25:36 Right. And this happened for some thousands of years, And I think this makes perfect sense because the sun is a star. And, in fact, I forget who it was. periods of the equilibrium. We've been in relative solar equilibrium for thousands of years now, Yeah. but I think that there's a very strong case to be made that this is solar, Yeah. But it was a coronal mass ejection, actually two in a row, that hit us in 1859.

31:53 orders of magnitude less than what happened at the end of the last ice age, it would fry our So bright. But see how it starts to take on a discrete structure on the right there. with the atmosphere. They look like stick figure humans in the sky. What we're looking at- So these are things you would see in the sky, except in many cases they're spinning electrically.

35:12 These are graphic illustrations, but what we can show... Look at this from all over the world. but they have little weird dots on their side, donuts? What is causing that very specific pattern, that very specific shape that you're seeing with the two gods? Peratt, yeah. And if you look at some of the rongo-rongo, and I know a lot of your audience can't see this, but you look at some of them, they're even more definitive.

38:23 Yeah, like huge thunderstorms yeah i mean came. Now, this is hypothetical because we've not experienced a huge one like this, but they of having a place to go, even if it's not occurring at the moment. They knew that these things do It's the only thing that's going to protect you. Yeah, it protects you. Where it hits ice, it's flash vaporizing it. I think incredible.

42:10 Wow. But what you find there 2,000 years later in the same general area, you find, for instance, You look at the technology. Look, I'm an academic. Yeah. Textbooks have been written. know though this is my pet theory but I do try to look at the evidence I think academic colleagues, Oracle, which stands for the Organization for the Research of Ancient Cultures.

46:14 Well, maybe it is supposed to be objective, but who are the scientists doing it? Where's this? It was mocking. Well, that's why I appreciate that you have stuck your neck out for so long doing this research. But you've had an impact, a gigantic impact on people like me that are really fascinated Less likely. Although from seeing your Because that was an American Association for Advancement of Science debate on the Sphinx,

48:55 it's much more than a little bit of weathering to do other types of more detailed analysis. that it was 12 000 years old it's based on the soil samples that was that was klaus schmidt and look at the information and consider the possibility Well, maybe we are in terms of certain types of technology. and that it's not all simply a one-way progress, that there are fits and starts, that there have

52:57 much less getting into this philosophical or spiritual or whatever you want to call it. No one really knows. we're going to move this couch. We're not footage of it when they've tried to just So there's that concept. I find it amazing, and I hate to be stereotypic, I'm broad brushing, but many Egyptologists, when I read their works or I listen to them at conferences, et cetera,

55:25 Then you also have in Egyptology, and I want to give you another example of this, through the pyramid. You can set up But when you've got massive stone, massive stone will block some of them. And I found that with my own data when I shared my own data that not to be nasty, but they didn't know what they were looking at, which is somewhat understandable since it's not their training. So you have with the Great Pyramid, just recently in the last couple of years,

57:34 don't know about or if it is it's just trivial it's just some space between the rocks it's nothing in the first place. So this void that we're looking at here in these images, can you explain the pyramid. And this hidden chamber is But my point right now is to just dismiss the data is nonsense. which I didn't know about at the time, but they already knew about. So it confirmed that our data

1:00:02 But it turns out they already knew about it. something going on with the weathering and erosion on the Sphinx. The second observation, this is And I believe that's now since been more or less at the very end of the last ice age. Now, I've had a lot of colleagues of mine, some of these constellations that we recognize today were recognized tens of thousands of years

1:03:58 Some of his work ties in with this, the archaeoastronomy. so that's an axe yeah it's it's a a primitive axe um when i say primitive even for the ancient like a building. It's not really a building. It's the archive underneath, I believe. still things there, or maybe it was gutted and cleaned out at some point. But here we have If there's physical evidence, right?

1:08:23 Which is somewhere around 2,500 B.C.? Yeah. It was there reputedly in the 19th I contend, and Robert Buval and other people who are in our line of thinking contend, Now, why would you restore it in the 4th Dynasty when it had just been built, I don't want to get into that. I've seen it too, and I've known all these people for— And they've always contended there was no inscriptions

1:11:51 you're saying this is very recent? About a year ago, and we all worked on it and confirmed it and put together the pieces. Pyramid, because I want to get back to that. I think the Great Pyramid, just like the Sphinx, back down to about 31 or so 100 BC, you know, 5,000 years ago. It's just making its way into the Egyptological community. I've seen it all before.

1:15:32 police officer, forensic expert, who literally would reconstruct faces, compare faces. That was with the face of Shefron or face of Khafre a lot of Egyptologists classically come more from an art history background, that type of thing. down because I have lots of colleagues in other fields that are not sciences. Right. But classically, I would contend Egyptology is not a science.

1:18:44 I mean, did you have any I still was not that far out of graduate school. Exactly. That was it. And I was so naive. And so we first present the evidence at the Geological you know, a little rumbling there. Then the journalists come in back then, you know, no internet like we have it now, just phones, and the journalists start calling Egyptologists that

1:20:47 We know that the pyramids were not built by aliens, so they start bringing aliens and UFOs to essentially— They hadn't been there. Little did they know I have enough friends that would read it to me. They don't know what's going on necessarily. And has he amended his position at all? I don't think I would have said this years ago in a hall with him

1:23:30 And I do think the evidence says this. And I think in hindsight it might have been fed to him by some geoarchaeologist, as they call it, someone who does archaeology but knows a little geology. So he realized he couldn't refute what you were saying geologically. to be distributed to scholars and people and students and all these folks out there that

1:25:52 good chunks of our very early history, but when I study it geologically, and I don't want to get into great detail here, how there was a master plan going back to that period. they both make the point among other things them or whatever, that older structure. Do we have images of this older structure? And then they built the pyramid over it and around it, I think marking it, you know, refurbishing a much older structure.

1:29:26 This is even earlier by a generation. Temple and the Sphinx Temple. The first piece of evidence that really convinced me that something They are weathered, but then they were cut back a little bit. That weathering was cut back, Just skim down the limestone totally, It's like if we have a national monument now you believe that the Great Pyramid was probably built on top of this great mound,

1:32:52 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have evidence that goes back to that much earlier period before the demise of high civilization, if I could put it that way, at the end of the last ice age. And then it was reappropriated, reused, rebuilt, restored, whatever term you want to use, in dynastic Egyptian times. I would love to go with you. You're a chicken?

1:34:41 Definitely. I wanted to point something out which is what almost all the Egyptologists accept, and the demise of that earlier civilization. And you're looking at, we're looking at a chart right here. website, you'll see charts like this, but what S-I-D-A. To its knees. The second pyramid, you can see evidence, I would point out to you, that I interpret as going back to earlier structure.

1:38:39 So we have all of this indication that dynastic Egypt It's there. Around the world. It's very easily defended, that type of thing. What kind of examples do you have? Oh, yeah. There's another example. Although the Dead Sea Scrolls potentially were absolutely like every other civilization, And maybe perhaps the understanding of how it was built and designed is more prevalent amongst the civilization, amongst the community, than maybe it would be today.

1:43:55 to address for some reason because a major solar outburst and coronal mass ejection and all the We've seen that with a few isolated instances, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Fukushima recently. I mean, I don't have anything to sell. And I think that one of the things, Yeah. Are there any hieroglyphs that are convincing or at least point to some of the construction methods of the pyramid or of any of the other giant structures?

1:46:36 Pyramid was a tomb or initially a tomb. That's like saying a huge cathedral is just a tomb oil or water in front of it Do you have any images of that? So why would you expect it for the Great Pyramid? these earlier periods. It's amazing we have much of anything. And what's going to survive? Big, Yeah, everything else would be grounded in dust. but there could be a lot of things going back before that. And if you have metal, and I'm not trying to focus on metal now,

1:50:18 We do that to this day. Oh, I said pottery? You put it that way. I mean, it's just incredible. That's a mace. Marble is the easier ones to do. They use very narrow openings like you said. And thousands of these have been found going back to the earliest dynastic times. And maybe they did it The speculation is that they were doing it the same way they were doing in New Kingdom times.

1:54:36 question as a geologist whether that would really work for these beautiful, harder stone, much more perfect in my assessment, older ones that you find going back They were the equivalent of, you know, fallout shelters, if you would, where you stock away supplies, that type of thing. Yeah, some of them are insanely difficult. building a new Grand Egyptian Museum, as they call it.

1:56:52 You see what I mean? It's like right under your nose. you know, a centimeter or more long going through. It's not just a little hole punched through, pulled up jamie these images and what are these images of it looks like nail heads or something Yeah, they call them buttons there sometimes. at least in part. But you don't want to just give out the knowledge to anyone.

2:00:40 It's missing its lid. Some of the limestone was quarried pretty much on site, and you can still see the quarries there. Other high-quality limestone, known as Tura limestone, was brought from across the Nile. And you can still see the You've got this big coffer there that, you know, you have what they know called star shafts or air shafts that go out to the north and south. That's

2:03:16 But from an engineering point of view, they don't seem to work. they believed that it was possible that cores were drilled out. In fact, not only were they sawing it, it looks like they were using high-speed saws because in some cases they would make a little mistake and then have to back off and then go at it again. I mean, some people say they had electric motors and electricity

2:05:40 from a standard status Like we could get a look at what were using sophisticated techniques to do this. But no idea whatsoever about how they were doing well, you know, how could, And you can see how it was spinning. mechanics I've ever No, that completely makes sense. They just shrug their shoulders. Supposedly, They see all this fabulous stuff and they just forget that, well, this was made somehow.

2:10:09 Yeah, you might have had. let's say 200 years ago you're a watchmaker, you might have some sign that indicates you're a watchmaker, And broke it out. It has the hawk on its shoulders. This is why I brought an image of this, because it ties in with that whole scenario. so I think it really all goes but incredible and to have me carve something like that today you don't see the bird at all of course but incredible and i mean carve

2:13:55 And I don't, this is, I mean, I've been studying this for a long time, and this is the first time I'm hearing it. and other things when he's older. How would that affect our grid systems? of flattery? That type of thing. Imitation. Imitation, that's it, imitation. And I do find, this out. You know, it takes time. It all takes time. And put it this way, Copernicus, and I'm

2:16:51 I see a big difference now than I do in the 1990s for even the redating of the Sphinx. So it's very confusing. And what I find with students, and I'm not picking on them. And that's not something I think you get just from surfing the internet quickly. And see, I've had the problem too in my business. so to speak the tinfoil hat brigade yeah so what how is that received by the people that i mean

2:20:12 If it's not real, it's not real. Yeah. They want to sell their YouTube videos. And they love those conferences. Because there are a lot of questions. Well, yeah. they're perceptive, then they might become aware of and realize that these are real issues. No I want to be clear on that. like Oracle, and I would encourage people to actually look at it because we've got a website up. You can go through my website, www.robertshock.com, to get there.

2:25:20 Is there more resistance towards redating Egypt and Egyptology, particularly ancient Egypt, versus other cultures like Gobekli Tepe and some other ancient structures that they're finding? We have evidence of catastrophe at Quebec-Litepé. We They abutted against it. But tying in with what you were just asking, Yeah, they call it hunter-gatherers. But there's pictures like this in my book, Forgotten Civilization.

2:29:00 Oh, yeah. That's so crazy. You have to leave the rock because they're not incising these in. But do you also see the weathered surface? I was going to say, before I forget it, a lot going on here. Right, right, right. That's crazy. when I talk about Quebec-Litapé, I'll make the comment about Stonehenge because people are It's very similar to Easter Island.

2:34:27 an early period. When he first was excavating them before he got down to the bottom, I think he said Touch it and it probably would fall over. Yeah, how shallow it is. But they were finely tuned, whatever you want to call that. And I'm Oh, in modern times? when you're doing archaeology, it's inherently destructive because you can't put it back together.

2:37:40 They would love to destroy this site, I'm sure. they build a new road or they do build a new underground garage, I think we do. We're not going to do it. Well, this is something that goes on in Mexico City as well, right? and they would dig in their basement and pull out a gold statuette or whatever, sell it, And also, you don't necessarily want to destroy

2:41:18 interested in the birth of jesus and where the manger is and we can see in Egypt, if one's interested, the supposed place where the A guy comes down and sits with me, joins with me, starts making conversation. that the pyramids should be dismantled, He was a professor at Cairo University. deal because they're Arabs. They might have been in Egypt for over a thousand years, but the native

2:44:06 We think it's really crazy when someone like that would say that about the pyramids and He had a very different perspective. But then there's the counter argument, which I've heard many times, But people get excited. I mean, I can understand that perspective. But if people travel with me, I know what I'm doing. What were you doing in Pakistan? Yeah, they were touching.

2:47:58 And I didn't do anything wrong. And someone came from the Pakistani Geological Survey and explained that, yeah, I really It really is. In fact, I always err on the side of safety when it comes to anyone else. We also would like to do a film, a full length feature film if we could get where they're about geological and what really will happen in the future if we get hit again,

2:51:00 So, yeah, I'd love to do a good film. This is something that Katie and I, Katie, for those that just tuned in, Katie's my wife. Careful with this thing. Good move. address there, Boston University address? Office, because I really am at Boston I've talked to the Ministry of Antiquities, the actually director, I guess he is, of the Grand Egyptian Museum, the new museum.

2:53:57 Institute at BU, Institute for the Study of the Origins of Civilization. So lots of possibilities, I'm not trying to scare anyone, but I think Thank you very much.