Joe Rogan Experience #1147 — Dr. Debra Soh Transcript

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0:00 Five, four, three, two, one. Appreciate it. A little bit, yeah. And why former? their research, their teaching, they've got their students their plate with their research, their teaching, First of all, the LBGTQIA, what else? The focus is fucked up. it comes to client climate change like everybody is pro-science, oh, you're a Tucker Carlson fan. What are the numbers?

3:32 and research to climate change. it he really didn't have any answers for it so it's one of those things where like people on the which inclines people to this weird delusional thinking. And as an outsider, that's what's And I asked so many people this while I was there because I was reporting on it for Playboy.com. That doesn't mean that sexism is OK.

6:08 They try to say, once with a guy who's a professor or a former professor, and he was trying to deny that Like it's, Yeah. If like, if you decided, well, today I'm African. But I think everybody is. I mean, people are clearly more Well, you're not necessarily a mix of both, right? You just have a different hormonal profile and a different body type.

9:00 Everything is gender neutral now. I saw that, yeah. They're calling them of what they might be interested in. And I think Yeah. was so expressive when he's so young and then other people said i had a good point they said And that it's the patriarchy, like an extreme form of femininity. I love drag queens, but I think that little boy is likely going to grow up to usually a gay man who likes to dress you know like an extreme form of femininity i love

11:49 versus become a woman and would you be happier either or yeah you know i mean it's very very he's a chick and now he's back to being a guy again and so he actually transitioned in mid Hi, Wendy. And there's men that are wired the wrong way. and decided to kill themselves when the comet was near. That's not normal either. And why is it that we can't ask these questions?

14:54 And I think for adults, they should be allowed to transition way to express, you know, I think people also see if you have a problem in your life, they think I was like, obviously this is nonsense and foolish, but I don't want to appear cruel. But, I mean, it really is. two marbles. They just take one which is how they conjured up all that money. So the idea was that they did this.

17:41 no attention after that he was the whipping boy of the kardashians on their tv that they instead of like instead of treating them like as an equal they they go completely But you've got to be real careful picking on some dummies. perspective because you're not allowed to you're not allowed to like even what you said earlier So that's what should be fought.

20:37 And I don't know when this happened. being i don't know just they don't say that well no one says some of them do they say they say they feminism at the core had some good aspects in the beginning, but it's just gone off the rails more recently. Right? Nowadays they see it that way yeah male pride is not okay not okay but girl pride is fine yeah girl power is okay yeah

23:06 as she wants Yes, I think so. By whom? By the media. More like it's empowering to go out and sleep with as many people they have the pick of the litter, his experience that the whole dynamic of male female relationships shift yeah and these girls annoyed like you'd be like can you leave me alone you go to sleep how much time does she have you When people find out that people are in open relationships.

26:18 it. So why do they have an open relationship? you know, maybe two years or something like that. And then it's been like four years of open. like anything else. sober people tend to get aggressive And this is contrary to my values. If I have a glass of wine, I get happy. Yeah. this is very unrelated to the whole, that's true. It's not true. That I guess the idea is that women should be equal.

30:29 I think, like you said, I think it's just a lot easier. It's that there's an understanding that it's horseshit. the difference and actually believe it but why would they aggressively attack the scientific you go, oh, well, this is weird. and any argument against that idea and studying it as a thing. Tammy Lauren? I get her confused with that Lauren Southern girl. Oh, Tommy Lahren. Those girls are

34:09 good way of putting it because if you do say say someone like Tommy Tommy who's way? She's going the other way? She's going to star in a She got kicked off the team a little bit they go back and forth and shift from one side to the other. Yeah, they join a church. I'll give you that badge. term for the record person of color because those of us who are not white we don't all think the

37:14 So it doesn't count anymore. and puerto ricans and then it became wellans and Puerto Ricans. And then it became, well, there was always blacks as well. That's going to be Asian soon. We're going to be a hundred be 100 white basically well not if harvard has anything to do with it Well, that's the thing. I mean, we throw that whole narrative into question, this idea that if you're not white, you can't be doing well in life.

39:05 Yeah. But one of the things about it is it sort of dismisses the idea of talent. And it goes into depth about all the – not dismisses it, but shows that it's not some magic gift that's bestowed upon people. would put his backpack on filled with books and run the stairs at the no culturally enforced discipline. successful. I mean, my issue with the whole thing with the Harvard lawsuit is that

42:24 So the only way that admissions committees can actually penalize them is through rating So Asians do well with SAT scores. They do well with extracurricular activities. Yeah, let's go on with our day. And even more insane that you're doing it to the most successful people. and what i got obsessed with them for two reasons one because i read an article about um the

44:31 Like I think they have 500 gigabyte storage capacity, 4,000 milliamp batteries. You can't like look at one of those phones and figure out what it's doing. at this, I'm like, how much legitimacy is in that? Are you going to try and get one of these phones anyway? listen to me butcher this i'm so sorry but this is all i got what's up could you just use it with

46:50 You're getting Wi-Fi when you're driving your car? you could be on Wi-Fi So you'd have to have a cellular account. to your fucking car one of those tech sites. or in Los Angeles or Chicago or something like that. okay if you were in New York or in Los Or not. They're completely integrated. I mean, they're going to come for everybody. No. the reason why they're trying to keep asians or at least limit the number of asians but doesn't

49:46 I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's the participation trophy world. Instead of that, you're doing it from the top down. Well, that's the thing. Some Asians too. possible to look at it that doesn't even make any sense you how would the I don't really buy that signaling thing that's one of those I hope. But that's a virtue signaling thing.

52:38 Yeah, people think all kinds of things. having a job, I mean, he's like almost unhirable. I mean, I don't know if he's employed now, but We want to get clicks or we want to basically sacrifice this man for our agenda. And the way she was describing it was as if he was talking about women being inferior. This was not an anti-woman screed. he did yeah and the thing is the most important aspect of the podcast is that the things that

56:14 And this, this is, I mean, this is just weird, toxic tribal behavior. The whole thing has got to go like this. It's got to move around. And the only way it moves around You need far extreme right to polarize and activate the far extreme left. that time to happen it always does yeah it seems to always do that. I just would hope that lot of different things that, a lot of inputs in you developing and becoming a 30 year old person that happens to be talking to this other 30 year old person, your path to get to wherever you are.

59:36 Because there's no point otherwise. you know you're a conservative or you're a you know a whatever whatever you're a bad person even though they've had no previous signs of gender dysphoria. attack people and intimidate them and shut the conversation down? Like, how do we stop that from And so when you talk to the parents, and it's interesting, when you listen to the episode that we did, sex is predominantly boys and then suddenly there's been this explosion of girls and so

1:02:18 like a therapist the therapist has to affirm the therapist can't question that and so you have But if someone transitions, you want it to actually help them feel better. And I think as people should for trans people And also i think for Yeah. How is it being discussed in the literature? So no one wants to touch it. mean these girls are not getting treated for the underlying condition there was one parent we spoke

1:05:39 It's so interesting when you watch the similarities much positive benefits guns have Yeah. people, that is transphobic. And then you look at the rapid onset gender dysphoria and see if they match up. trans and she has this part. You know, that was the same thing that happened with Jeffrey Tambor. And, you know, it may very well change the tone of the way people accept trans people.

1:09:49 So to say, That's my only issue because then people look at it and say, See if you can find Charlie Chan. Yeah, there's the guy who played Charlie Chan. We're looking at it in terms of our people. like i'm not a researcher yeah i didn't i didn't go deep and investigate i just read it i was like But when people don't back down, they just give up or they get confused.

1:12:25 attacking a bunch of people for tweet jokes He wrote some jokey joke things And Anthony Jeselnik writes, looking through my Twitter timeline, something along looking is like looking for a needle in a needle store on customer appreciation day yeah yeah You just can't say things, period. It's fun for them. And then it's going to move as far away from misogyny as possible.

1:15:43 individuals what about human beings? I believe women or something like that. you're not getting at the truth well we're also in this weird slippery thing when it comes to Like, okay, well, who's right? like this chris hardwick thing is a perfect example of that i mean he was just reinstated And some of those she recovered from and some of them she didn't like it's and there's another

1:18:52 Yeah. What we know about their ability to describe things accurately, what we know about their perceptions of reality, their delusions, their clarity. Because you know him. Like if I'm not there, if I don't know, do you know you don't know right yeah you don't know god damn. Yeah. You don't know. God damn it. It's fucking tricky. he was being watched and blackmailed.

1:20:59 Okay. But the concept is that you can they have a machine and they set this machine up and through this machine they can literally read your memories. But then this, I'm just talking about like the neighborhood where I grew up in. Yeah. Well, I just want to get that out of the way really quick when he was in the military would you have a problem with gay guys and he was saying like do you have when he was in the military

1:23:51 And if your job relied on this guy liking you and approving you, which a lot of women's I'm hoping that even with the far reaching aspects of it where all men are trash, I'm Well, you see, I feel men nowadays are terrified to interact with women. working with them after. Yeah, that's even worse. People that have inter-off real problem. And then you hook up with crazy people. And then you have to keep working with them after.

1:25:20 You got to quit your job? And he was respectful and he's intelligent. He's funny and he's interesting. the thing is I'm very career oriented so that could be part of why in my mind because you're I don't know. Yeah. Is that fair? when they engage in some sort of a transactional sexual relationship, that You're staring at each other. By the time you get home, you're fucking tired.

1:29:41 I mean, how many people their their social circle is primarily the You both, it's not like anybody has any power, But when you start dating him, he's a fucking selfish prick. Very few people. well some of them like that though like if they're cuck is a compromised word though to where what is I mean, I think that's fine if that's what you're into. desecration of his dignity and self-worth, and his inability to stand up for himself.

1:32:42 I know John's always wanted a girlfriend, Yeah, that male feminist thing. And then they try to shit on those men and take those but all it does is make those men appear even more attractive to They're not attractive. Because like you said, they're sneaky. just they're an unattractive type they're not attractive to women and so That should be a red flag.

1:36:14 I think what happens is there's a certain amount of resentment that from living this sort of like fake life and having these fake beliefs and doing so just to get to the approval of women, their own guilt. fuck that's my idea you know when i because i've just seen so many of them yeah it's like look i'm and this seems to be a good way to show that they support women.

1:37:31 And they do it So they're trying to figure out he's like more feminist than regular feminists he's like They're just friends with guys. Girls don't like her. Yeah. I just don't get along with guys. Where are you hanging out, dude? Yeah. It was like, whoa. But that's how it is. You know what I mean, the writing's on the wall. Yeah, it was ugly, too. The way it went down was like, whoa.

1:40:32 There's things that people do to stand out as typically unique, right? Yeah. It's only when it is having negative implications for other people, Do people need to do that, though? Yeah. And so you have all these children now who are transitioning who I think in five, And she was an editor of a magazine. because in her mind, her team had been fucked over so many times

1:44:06 And it's a way for them to express that. Yeah. or a very, very slight you know where it's an I would love it if we got to this point with all this chaos and calamity and arguing back response to wrong speak I really thought that people were gonna lose their minds like you were saying, like the women that are so angry against men, like, well, then it's not just

1:47:05 This is how he looks at women. But when we look at it with compassion i mean the hopefully the healthy Yeah, I mean, look at Twitter. Way too much. You think there's just going to be two lines, but It's too much! 280's too much! I can's too much. $2.80 is too much. of the good things about twitter is they have this thing where you can reply to your your tweet and

1:50:02 Wow, that's aggressive. I read as many as I can. Yeah, and you can't like all of their stuff either. encountering too much negativity and then also things that you disagree with that you want to What's been the worst? You put Brock Lesnar, higher bone density, against women and this woman was called a transphobe and she's a fucking endocrinologist And then on top of that, reaction times.

1:53:16 We're talking about the most contact. Let's just make that. crazy and it's just not it doesn't it doesn't any sense. And the arguments for it are so shitty and they're so riddled with progressive speak that they're trying to pretend that this is a woman now. trans woman i'm totally fine with that but that was not what was going on here what was going on

1:55:18 that. I've trained with women world champions and watched them get mauled by men who are not very good. It's not good. transgender activists and it's basically women are being lost in the mix so you can't say certain things like on what planet would it be okay for someone who is born male to fight a woman but in But then even then, a lot of boys are saying, well, look, I'm not taking testosterone.

1:58:29 And this is what I felt. I read a little bit of it and then I was like, not that big they're not like brock lesnar's hands is that there's a difference there's a and is fucking breaking records these women's records. Yeah, because she sucks. And it's happened. But there's also women who fought men who were world champions And the guy she knocked out, the guy who knocked her out really wasn't very good.

2:01:31 And Ashley Evans-Smith, I'm not a man. What is it? do? Yeah. How much do you weigh? I'm not going to tell you. You're very thin. I'm thin though. but that was a hill that I was ready to die on. that are rational people they go what what's happening wait a minute that's a guy she was a mean that i'm discriminatory no but it's it's a word that they use to try and discredit you

2:04:56 I've seen it. And I know from talking to endocrinologists and people who are experts in the human anatomy it's almost like saying, pointing out to them that they're different. What if I wanted to pretend that I was seven feet tall? or a little person or whatever whatever phrase you want to use are we supposed to acknowledge And if we're not describing them in accurate terms because we're trying to somehow or another stop people from getting hurt feelings, what are these feelings based on?

2:07:53 I think people who use facts to justify discrimination, that's where the problem is. Bam, you're a woman. not willing to date a trans woman with a dick? between a man and a woman a trans man a trans woman and then someone who could actually be a woman who transitions. What was the word? And this fucking go for it. I think people should be allowed with penises.

2:10:48 to do with underwear whoa jesus christ so lesbians who don't want to date trans women because they still have penises yeah what a wonderful world we live in i like it you know, i just think as me as an individual as a human, one thing I like about it is I like things that Do you find that relates Oh yeah, for sure. always have a new way of looking at like oh i never even thought about it that way but that's

2:13:11 I'm not lazy. And so what I like about one of the things that I like about Smoke and Pot, I think it's fun Or people that are attracted to them happy or people that are attracted So I'm like, stop. but when you first get into the cage, out i don't know but i know there's a switch that men have because i've seen it go off i've seen It's probably a small group of people, Like a thousand people on the planet that have seen

2:16:59 there's a technical violence And then there's an extreme over the top masculine violence that I've seen This is a male behavior. But it does not happen in the same numbers that it happens with men. there's a difference. It's just not the same thing. Yeah, no, I would definitely agree with But that's not even true. Olympics, go for it. Do that. But to try to pretend, until we come up with some sort of a way,

2:20:13 Then we're good. industry agree with you or how do they feel about it yeah oh, yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, yeah. The people who don't is a minor group. But then again, she went into the UFC. Crazy fight. It's different, yeah. They just didn't want to talk about it publicly. i see your perspective like you're not not discriminatory no it's just about combat sports

2:23:07 Those poor girls in Texas that had to wrestle that girl You're saying one girl can take steroids because she thinks she's a boy, She won the States two years in a row. That's when people should vote. Now I'm happy I have kids. Well, once you start taking cross-sex hormones, no. Tell me more, actually, because I thought I was thinking of something but i think it's something

2:25:55 What? What does that mean? So as a grown-up, it's less likely that you become sterile? But in this case, I mean, I've seen cases too where trans women will breastfeed, right now but why i feel it feels like i'm placing judgment i guess on you should be doesn't identify as a woman she identifies as a man so not this person the person i was talking This male transgender male obviously still likes dudes.

2:28:55 Mm-hmm. Oh. Like they're not even supposed to be in your body. the weirder things that the argument that i had um about with one person online where they said And so it's kind of like that's a nice story to tell. Well, the fuck does that mean? Cause if you actually enter into a conversation, It's also an acknowledgment of the oddity of the situation.

2:31:53 see a guy with a beard breastfeeding right yeah you know or fully pregnant it's fucking strange where you're not on board with the way people are thinking today. Well, it takes effort, right? The process or what, what led me to do it? Both the process. What you were described, And so you'd see all this coverage of young kids who had transitioned to the opposite sex.

2:34:39 literature. And I asked my colleagues, what do you think? And they said to me, I said, should I wait And then from there, I said, well, I'm going to see where this journalism thing can take me. Yeah. is to criticize them. But I have friends who are, their main source of income was YouTube and videos and advertising. In terms of user-uploaded video platforms, it's not even a close second, which is kind of weird.

2:37:51 It's like, how do you catch up to them? any sort of dissenting points of view? I don't know. You know, I think they definitely lean And what they're doing is they're trying to make subjects much less attractive to discuss. You're like, you know what? as long as they're not on youtube they don't give a shit like yeah you're not on youtube You can't really quiet ideas entirely,

2:41:26 and shutting down people who are genuinely just trying to ask questions She was telling me that Douglas Murray and Sam Harris, they had this podcast that they did online. that like okay well this is the kind of a lack of critical thinking that we're discussing this is down and you're seeing that. I'm the least mentioned, happily the least mentioned person in that group. I'm very happy about that.

2:44:23 on together um and sam harris He loves all that cloak and dagger stuff. And it's kind of fun and we're going to do it again. It was interesting. Sam Harris, very left. he talked to him and he has himself um disavowed some of the things that he said and he's he's Yeah. To prove that you guys aren't all racist. Just give me some. but you could bring as many fish as you want.

2:48:23 So you better be hoping on that test then. I'm hoping. i'm hoping hoping and praying i just want to be discriminated against Yeah, it's a bunch of pseudoscience. And clearly evolution is not a fucking straight, flat plane. Well, I don't know. as a person who actually understands what you're talking about. I mean, people got mad too. conversations like this and people don't think that we're bigoted or that we're coming from.

2:51:05 kind of conversations. I think it's an incredibly unique time for the distribution of ideas. I don't I just do it. Yeah. If I just came in and met you and we sat down. It's amazing. Well, I used to like doing radio when I was a guest. this is so fun and the way they did it credit to them the way they did it was different than any You could just come in and hang out and have fun.

2:55:18 and I was like well just fucking just start doing it yeah wow yeah Wow. Yeah. I was going to say the same thing. Oh yeah. Yeah. And that just makes all the people that are siding with him realize he's right. He's selling them out all over the world. It's really amazing. Instead of just getting on these fucking CNN shows and yelling at each other for three minutes.

2:58:36 Well, it's entertainment. Because if you just simply have your talking points and you sort of, if you do like a standard I mean, you could condense it down, but you lose a lot of the information. It's also about barking out your talking points in as ferocious a manner as you can so you can appear that you're winning. But what I do do is I let people talk.

3:00:58 But that's how it should be too. I don't think people should be stuck in their opinion. No matter What does it mean if you don't think that way? I'm right and you're wrong. 1200, why you believe what you believe too. Cause you can look at them and say, okay, I still don't And then, you know, it all falls apart and then you realize that they don't even know why they

3:03:51 I mean, there's idea sports. to change laws and force things through. in leaders right we want someone who's full of shit who who like makes us feel better Yeah. He only been living 45 years? time that you have to examine ideas. See, if I worked in a coal mine, I probably would not have the time to sit around all day and think shit through. everybody told me not to do this this was the fun like ari shafir it's famously told me you

3:07:12 Like that. He's pretty good at it. Thank you. one on political correctness and comedy there's going to be one on academic mobbing and then memo, because I think that's when we first started being in contact. And hopefully we'll do this again. I'm at DrDebra So on Twitter and Facebook,