Joe Rogan Experience #1163 — Banachek Transcript

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0:00 Here we go. I would never want to do that to you. I know we ran into each other once in Vegas at a bar. Yeah, it had to be about probably five years ago, four years ago now, right? And we'll get into this about with scientists and how I fooled them a little bit. They are actually doing something completely different. okay. And then he just goes, May

2:28 There's a million things that could have happened that your friend Eddie was not aware of before that guy even walked up to him. They basically create a whole new reality for themselves that they forget that maybe they wrote it down. we'll explain what that is in a minute. But there are ways to do those things. And there's many ways and go, this could be the one. I'm going to give them the chance, but I'm going to look at it.

4:44 that I have not seen anything indicative that psychic phenomena is genuine. have done on that. You know, you take a certain group of people. I just, it's really hard. I love numbers. around you know and if you're trying to carry numbers it'll switch letters for me i'll use Husband turns his head and looks. Pretty girl walks by. Yeah, but it's really bad for me.

7:59 I don't know. Well, that's the way it is with all that stuff. So, is there anybody that, I mean, there's the James Randi Challenge, right, famously where – And I was born in England, left there and came to the United States. from the car into the house, we would see him then. So I was changing diapers. I was taking To the radio. you know on the way however they played it back then but no tv station so that was the thing

10:50 Randy. And that book said the truth about Uri Geller. In fact, the book was changed. The name things. I had a great life. Don't get me wrong. I had a really great life in South Africa. I did I started creating my own ways. I need to hear about that. So I did a lot of dumb, dumb, dumb stuff. Is that what you're saying? working today more than likely they're using a couple of my techniques to make metal look like

13:50 There was a wire and there was a short that goes through this one classroom that I was slowing down when it comes back up it's not it's just an optical illusion from one side so i would Muscle reading? go the left I can actually feel the resistance when I go to the right in your arm. So you give and you can actually find the object. Oh, okay. Psychophysiological Thought Reading.

16:43 I thought that's a great name for the book because every book illusions and he's you know funny Even the way that you rattle off things, there's very little pause to you. there's a part in the show where I ask people just to think of things. that and then don't don't worry about that we'll get that to the minute. You know where that comes from, Joe?

18:39 Right. biased opinion and they were documenting their own beliefs rather than using proper science Because you don't get, usually you don't get into parapsychology unless you have an interest in it. no, There's nothing dumber on television. No, no and and they're smarter and I know for a fact else to mess with them. The moment they got off the bus, I told my guys, I said, we're not using

21:37 so the stuff they come up with is going to be much more believable than any of the little tricks that And it's just some of them are a little bit creepy. this one real researcher yeah you know that there are there's some people like lloyd alaback and you I think you have to, right? quite knock out away they can do that i mean it's like when i little something, like one little thing you can't quite knock out away, they can do that.

24:06 So if you take it, if you do your research, you'll find all these things. had an interest in parapsychology, but really didn't want to get involved. But the university It was myself and another kid that I didn't know at the time by the name of Michael Edwards. He says, you know, there's this guy at Washington University I don't know enough about him to trust him. And Mike had the same concerns about me because Randy

26:29 Here's my introduction. And he says, I want to do my own introduction, you know, about you. I've And how can I fix this? So it kind of passes right through the brain. So I wanted a name that had at least two hard syllables, That's it, right there. I don't know if you can look that up or not. Oh, yeah. It turns out that what they actually put on the truck, they thought it was a statue because it was covered and it was in this crate.

29:06 So, yeah. say, how do you pronounce that? So they're thinking about my name. Never had a problem since. So for you. So I would sit there every year Okay. Like the name. I get a really sarcastic sense of humor. No, this is now, like not so long, like a couple of years ago. I'm with Mike Edwards. I had some other former ID. And Mike, he had his't know what form of ID I had. I had some other form of ID.

31:57 No, it's just me. said, and you're, you're trying to sort of keep pace with them and you can't. It's like Julio Cesar Chavez when he was fighting. It's kind of that thing. It's vulnerabilities. Yeah. Yeah. Exploit always analyze it with fighting, which is great. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of that thing. let you because I'm going to keep talking. of it it's a pattern for

33:31 So you're playing the song in your head? So, but now I've gone off somewhere and there was, oh, handwriting. normally when i write i can't read it myself i go back and i look well that's the thing what you ropes always. I was just at Planet Hollywood 7pm 14th 5pm then I'm on the 13th at 7 p.m., 14th at 5 p.m. I'm in Vegas a lot. things. So go back to this whole

36:12 What's this? I had no clue. I reach in the back, and I kind of pull it under the dash. So I start bending it all up, lock the briefcase, put it in the back. Yeah, what if he needed those keys to get in his house? I think you've done enough stop you know so but there's PK is short for psychokinesis. You know, why is there a fork hidden behind that cupboard?

39:35 It was stuff like don't let the subjects work at the same time because they could distract you. measured it at both ends like the height from the table and they measured the middle of the fork off? Yeah, you can take it off. We'd put it down, concentrate on it. Didn't do anything. Put it down then hours again later we would pretend like we actually bent that fork so this went on i mean it

42:08 They really, but no, it's true. And maybe you believe a little bit too much. is now uh there was a scientist over there a parapsychologist who was working with little That is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard in my life. We get depressed with our lives. believe they were but if they were coming here you don't believe they were no no i don't why is that

45:01 And robots are getting better and better and better at it. I believed a well you had a very disturbed life and you were probably looking for some sort of security i got What do you mean? Well, you know, the cover of most of the Bibles back then. I would ask these questions. it is fascinating this desire to believe, but somehow they manage to keep you glued

47:26 You looking for things in the basement or you looking for things in the woods? Is there, in paranormal research, is there like a moment where, you know, like, But there's this one. You know what? There is a SETI thing like that, too. I mean, there's a lot of stuff under there we don't know about. But there's more. Let me look in your eyes. Because it gives up.

49:49 And if I'm showing a process, why would I be showing a process if it wasn't real? that's now some new territory. But it's back in my comedy club days, Paul Menzel, Sharon Jerry. which a lot of comedians hated me for that And the bar is actually around the corner and I got to try to get people in there. queen of hearts i want everyone to think of a card get one get one get one get one stand up and it's like bam

52:15 And the ghosts will write things in these coffee grounds in this inverted aquarium with a padlock on it. I had a dream that we were in the laboratory, you know, trying to work, and everything just bent and went crazy. He goes, you know, he says, your psychic powers when you were sleeping bent everything in the laboratory He had a band that he was in as well.

54:06 And the guy followed them. But because this guy followed the 11 caveats, He would have got this on tape if it wasn't for Randy. because Randy was calling her the guy just nutted in his pants Yeah, I mean, that doesn't make any sense. Well, he's fucking crazy, huh? As to whether he believed it was a demon or not, I don't know. He's a producer who believes in this phenomena hence. He wants to do a documentary on psychic phenomena

57:26 Listen, what do you think that they do? that you don't trick them to fucking trick them. Well, this was the point, right? any of this. Had you followed Randy's rules, They have to tell you that's what they don't really have to do that. That's they don't know Well, we can say something else. the back burner nowadays i'd be like hold on let me get my smartphone out i gotta take a picture

59:37 Oh, but you probably still kick his ass. Well, now the problem is millions of people have heard this, and so they'll just scam me. Look, a demon made me not in my pants. Mike and I really, like, we were scared because we realized the kind of power. We are really messing with people's heads, right? And he lived in New Jersey. And it was a booklet. And it was for the psychosynemic something of dentistry and medicine.

1:02:17 now i was one of these kids that i was just like i would say i could do anything and everything even and in the blob you see a woman's torso and thigh. and as it dried almost like looking at clouds you could see all these different shapes and sitting up on a shelf to bend long distance you did it. I mean, he stuck electrodes on my head. How do we know they're not lying now?

1:05:07 online, it's great because And we get up there and we demonstrate stuff and then Randy,'s you know somebody asks the question you know how do you do real. And I say, what do you think? And he says to me, that can't be true. It has to be real. had psychic powers but you didn't want people to know you had psychic power so that you tricked but a guy by the name of Joe Newsom.

1:07:23 of magic called mentalism, But I met a few magicians, one of them was joe newsom that had answered the phone but i know joe and i knew joe and i knew it was his brother doesn't Just lets it crawl away a little bit I was talking to my friend, no, I was talking to my friend Tyus, right? It actually turns their sexual reward system sideways where the cat

1:09:38 Wow. Those crazy bitches? Same as the same. Really? Yeah this came from Robert Sapolsky's work. He's a professor at Houston, Peter Hortens. Yeah. Something can benefit. You sure it was University of Houston? I can find it that way. I think it's Peter Hortez. Hortez? Shit. Sorry, Peter. You sure it was University of Houston? Have you ever seen those?

1:12:32 And at some point, I know that I'm going to have to come out. Yes, I get it. But that is what he is no no i agree and that's why i'm saying there's a much bigger picture i would do the same thing again today i would just protect myself emotionally i Like, we literally sat in a lab and nothing would happen for an entire day. And we weren't making money at it.

1:13:50 Because it's documented. Yep. Right. He wanted to believe so strong. He really believes this woman's waiting for him. Well, I said that to Duncan. Duncan tends to, you know, he has a thirst for the fantastic. Yeah. Sigmund Freud believed it was related to a dream state. mean the u.s government you know about stargate they gave what 20 million dollars in the 70s

1:17:55 You did try to do that. DJ, yeah. was explaining how he worked for the US government how they found Osama bin Great. She's shaving her legs. Oh, you found that? That's a good place to hide something. but I don't think it was. They do now, though. You show amazing willpower, sir. Playboy had some amazing interviews. Writing for Hustler. And Popov comes out on stage.

1:20:57 You get this whole fucking, like when you see a little kid crying and running down the aisle. I remember I was like the 15th bucket. He said, nope. As I come back, I hand the bucket up to pop off and I look up and I notice that he's got a piece lot of things and he was memorizing a lot of things about a lot of things if that was the case i said i don't think so so they went out to the next pop-off uh congregation thing which was in san francisco

1:23:02 And turns out, I think it was 37 point. i can tell you in just a second here it was uh every single month. Yeah, I tell you. oh, and this was the one time that Johnny always wanted to know everything that was going to And then she starts saying, oh, there's a live one up in the back. She's's got cancer in her breasts make her run up and down the aisle and shake those breasts you know it's just all this

1:25:13 But anyway, the stuff we showed on The Tonight Show, Johnny sits there and he never he didn't like to edit his shows either. And here's the crappy thing about this, right? So people fill out prayer cards ahead of time. And they leave the hospital on carts and everything else. And she gets all this information. pushing them along they say where you're from who's your doctor you know what's wrong with

1:27:35 He says, you know, God says you can be healed. The man stands up. Well, that's your first miracle because everybody else, their perception is this Yeah. You'd go, yes. I think that's a lot of things. And it's like when I was watching it, I'm getting caught up. him right the grieving process is a natural part of the state that you have to go through to stay

1:30:26 very dirty people that long island medium you ever watch that yeah theresa caputo yeah yeah as good ratings it's going to do this let's promote it let's like, you know what? It's going to get us good ratings. It's going to do this. Let's promote it. Let's push it. It's not that I'm trying to debunk everything. And I actually talk to some people's dead relatives in that show.

1:32:08 They've had this one experience that's an emotional experience meeting the psychic and And then I do it and he goes, wow, that that guy's real and then now you say it's bullshit Because there's always wolves in sheep's clothing Yeah. of things that are someone got arrested and she was saying And there was a long scam that went on for a long time. But it all started out with he met this lady in a psychic bookstore.

1:34:40 investments. But in the process of all this, And he ends up marrying or thinks he actually marries this girl at some point. Turns out the kid was a cousin's baby Well, she used the baby bump thing you know and and Ralph Reigns. help us in our lives right it would say it was a lot of pain if i know that she's really cheating That's one of the reasons why people believe.

1:37:32 Are there any animals over there that I can hunt in that field? A pattern. you knock him you kill the guy he's in a million pieces or whatever happened to him an actual real And of course it stopped. And then I get really, really cynical hey, you know, Oh, Jesus. So that's just have these powers. You should step in front of a train and try to stop it. Oh, Jesus.

1:39:40 And it's not really – here's the – it's like you said, right? Did Geller trick people? that he was a magician and everything else. and they were the judges on the show and um gala calls me out of the blue which was really He's calling sort of like one of his nurses. So he's hoping that you're full of shit. I go, why would he do that? And Uri said, no.

1:42:37 it was a trick he said if he had to do it in that moment it would be a trick because his psychic Very, very clever. I kind of remember that stuff. happened to pop off pop off um he disappeared oh he's back on every night now you can find him on wear that around your neck and then wrap it up with money and send that, send that back. It's more of a thing that he's on the air and he's going,

1:44:55 and Jesus is going to stop it. He's like, oh my God, What's terrifying is that they're tax-exempt and obviously a fraud. Whether it's 80%, 75%, whatever. I mean, they are, or rather, they became tax exempt because they're- Yeah. I mean, when you gotta, Right. And he did. bullshit we're bullshitting you i'm not showing you spooky power i got in a lot of trouble for

1:47:55 They start out not as good performers. I'm not a psychic, there is absolutely nothing psychic about what I do, What's up with the nails? All right. And I want you to watch what happens. Yeah. Did you straighten it out again? Yeah. Let's see. Got some forks? Maybe, yeah. Let me see. Yeah. You want it or you want me to have that one? No, no, no. that's a bullshit fork.

1:50:02 This was your fork. They're not trick forks. It's sleight of hand. These are legit forks, ladies and gentlemen. Watch it right here. Okay, so I'm going to shake it like Hold this end as well. Okay. And I'm going to hold it right in the center right there. Just hold it. Is that what it is? I promise you it's not. See, if they were made out of special metal, I would never let you keep them because they would be too expensive.

1:52:14 What kind of wizardry is that, sir? There's different techniques. Go ahead. Most people that a common word. No, that's not a common word Yeah. And as you notice inside the hair, you open it up, tell me what's on there. Holy shit. You wrote it under the table while we were doing this. We'll try this. Yeah. I'm going to watch your hands closer. Did you get a red card?

1:54:57 I'm going to ask one question because I have to ask questions sometimes to try to figure All right? Nailed it. Yeah. Because he thought I was going to go high. That shouldn't... if you want. I'd rather come and see you. of mine, Steve Valentine. And he wanted to be an actor. to be able to act and he started getting the acting jobs and everything it wasn't until years

1:57:18 He'll have a magician on the show with comedians. Yeah? There is a way. And then I do another bend for him. And next thing you know, I had a twist And I call Randy up and I'm whispering to him. So this was a regular fork. Well, I'm trying. ejaculation that may or may not do it the thing about was weird is that how easy that fork Yeah. Yeah. We were talking about the TV show earlier?

2:01:34 supposedly to do the exact same thing under certain conditions as well and it's sort of sense. Yeah, it's really weird because the PK stuff is something, as a mentalist, as a performer, He didn't do too much of the mind reading, I'm still baffled. Don't tell me. Is there anything else that you could do that's fucked up? All right. At Duke University, actually.

2:03:58 A plus and a circle. And that would be psychological because it's right in the middle. All right. You won't know why you choose a star, but you will choose the star. All right? But we're going to try. Oh, I see. Sne try it. Something's going to make me pick the star. This may or may not work. All right. Okay. there's this sneaky hand movements are so confusing watch okay no sneaky hand movements

2:06:09 Don't choose a star. Watch my hands, bro. You didn't choose the wavy lines or the square. No. let's put it there all right i hate doing this stuff like this because especially with the This is the last time I'm doing this, all right? Don't look. And so I go for the star immediately? I'm very impressed. it being tricks without revealing the tricks, and then even doing them in front of me, which

2:08:25 And everything you do. Thank you, sir.