Joe Rogan Experience #1169 — Elon Musk Transcript

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0:00 Ah. Very good to meet you. Where do you have the time for that? And then other people asked us to dig tunnels, And then we sold the hats, limited edition. and maybe for yourself but selling a flamethrower the liabilities all the people you're selling Don't buy it. Are you going to do another run? They went fast. It's not a real flamethrower. Did it work?

4:36 16 years, and the traffic has always been terrible. And so I don't see any other ideas for improving the traffic. This is actually a project you're starting to implement, right? That's the reason. So if there's a storm, you want to be in a submarine. So when you have this idea, who do you bring this to? So Steve was like, I'd like to help make this happen.

7:44 Yeah, it was a pit in our parking lot. You just say, like, I want a pit. he was going to attend the Hyperloop competition, And we, like, showed Eric the pit. We've joked around about this in the podcast before. And yet you still have time to dig holes under the ground in LA and come up with these ideas and then implement them. You know, I do basically – I think people don't totally understand what I do with my time.

10:23 It's locked. Yeah. when I watch you doing all these things I wonder. I might have some mutation or something like that. we'll not be able to hold a candle to oh, well, this is a genie that once it's out of the bottle, PETA put out a legitimately concerned about this? No, it's not necessarily bad. That'll be the danger. That's what a company is. are one giant cybernetic collective.

16:11 Yes. are obsessed with materialism and getting the latest, greatest thing. And that's going to lead to some incredible point. And the percentage of intelligence that is not human is increasing. How so? through these social media networks as some sort of an organism, Limbic resonance. that communicating with 140 characters or 280 now Now we have thumbs.

20:40 slow down AI, very slow indeed. So usually there will be something, some new technology. This all takes many years. And the industry fought this You can't take 10 years once it's implemented control it. Do you think that it's likely that we will merge somehow or another with this sort So from a long-term existential standpoint, that's like the purpose of Neuralink is to create a high bandwidth interface to the brain such that we can be symbiotic with AI.

25:18 better than anything else. where AI serves as a tertiary cognition layer, limbic system that's in charge. and there's enough bandwidth between the cortex and the AI extension of yourself So it's just like anyone who wants can just do it in theory. That's the theory. You're vastly smarter, actually. Very slow. through the long term. you could just probably just upload into a new unit.

30:31 This is too freaky. I don't know where this came from. Again, going back to when you decided to have this fatalistic viewpoint. warning everyone I could you've met with No one seemed to realize where this was going. I think they didn't government committee, to gain insight i want you to handle this oh geez yeah i feel like you're the one who could ring the bell better

33:37 We have agreements where you're not supposed to dump toxic Why keep this thing around? Yes, all those reasons yeah ah i left that meeting but if we hadn't, This is it, might be like those chimps. and they might go these people are crazy they don't even look out for themselves okay people are laughing right now yeah constantly i'm obsessed i saw that david

36:55 Yeah, they're like swingers. Mom won't bang her sons. They're just constantly going. I haven't seen Bonobos at a zoo. regular chimps at zoos San Diego's pretty intense your phone and not dealing and you feel better yes i think that one of the issues with social So if you look at everyone on Instagram, you might think, man, there are all these happy, beautiful people.

39:55 And nobody looks good all the time. We are constantly re-baselining our expectations. And you can see this, say, if you watch some show like Naked and Afraid or, you know, if That's great, too. go towards the glamorous. No makeup. You still look hot as fuck. Like you're getting right up to the source as it comes out of the earth. Emojis. of who you really are.

42:21 your social media page. yeah you compare that to like a galaxy note 9 like how the fuck did that become that right and i You think so? thousand years old, if you count it from the first writing. in a simulation. We could be here now on our way to the road maybe we're not there yet that's also also possible. We're not quite there yet. It seems like people are longing towards

46:03 Wine stem and a handle, they have those? They take advantage of our generous nature. It was made that way. That's like fake breasts that are designed to be hard, like fake breasts from the 60s. Anyway, I don't want to sound like things are too dark my theory is you'd rather be optimistic Yeah. Right. Right, even if we get it past the sun. into something that doesn't worry about death.

48:52 Do you believe that there are many, many universes This is just about probability. Boring? There's like lots of takes. Yes. you feel other places. If you have this sort of... Yes. What defines where you are? You might not be. I think about this all the time. It's going to keep monkeying with things Yeah. I mean, And then reevaluate those actions to make sure they're there,

53:29 that are fighting for their side out there. And that the trend is to abandon preconceived notions, abandon prejudice, abandon discrimination I have a real samurai sword if you want to play with that. Yeah, that's a legit samurai sword from an actual samurai from the 1500s if you pull out that blade that blade was made the old way where a master craftsman folded that

55:07 Dude. In terms of like ludicrous mode? Where it dances? That's what's weird. you're having fun. I was like, that sounds great. No, won't do it. Oh, you just have to – if you search for it on the internet, you will find out. There's so many things about the Model X and the Model S and the Model 3 that people don't know about. That would help your product.

58:22 Make it maximum fun. is that wise? I like that. How do you know that? The only two Gasoline cars That is a gorgeous car But I don't have a French license plate on mine. Yes. It's an RS America. It's like the far end of electronics. go from one interchange to the next. Oh, The dude's out cold like this. and put the emergency lights on gently wake you up with a sultry voice oh that would be good like something

1:02:49 I like Australian. fall asleep let's wake them up yeah yeah we it's like you know we're like well you know people Imagine if that guy had fallen asleep in a gasoline car. A guy was in an early Tesla driving down the highway and he fell asleep and he ran over a cyclist and killed him. Do you have douchebag mode? It's hard to be Namaste here in L.A. Sometimes.

1:05:24 Yeah. is that it's not like roads. So, You're going to have traffic guaranteed. of traffic. You can go Not Bradley Cooper. They went down deep into the earth. I wouldn't recommend drilling super That's Earth. But I, as a normal person, I know there's people way dumber than me. These people really believe. 0 to 60 yeah What the fuck do you need? Just air?

1:09:07 Zero to 60. Do you anticipate that as being, I mean, you were talking about the tunnels and then flying This is not going to make your neighbors happy. Like, what if they figure out some sort of magnetic technology? There's a certain, you have a mass and you have gravitational acceleration. There is definitely no way around it. You'd have to rappel off of either

1:12:01 Yes, you could have a magnet road. I would super not recommend that. That would cause a lot of trouble. So you've put some time and consideration into this, you know, instead of, like, my foolishly rendered thoughts. We played videos of it where your idea is that you're going to drop that hole in the ground. depending upon the ambient pressure in the tunnel, or you could maglev it if you want to go super fast.

1:13:46 Mag in a vacuum tunnel. Right. You'll have to pump it out and you'll probably have a limited amount of air It is? Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah. But the pumps exceed the outflow rate and then that sets the pressure in the cabin. I think it is. some sort of electric vertical takeoff Yes. The interesting thing about an electric plane This is a lot of energy.

1:17:27 and you've got the resistance force of the air. I'm too stupid for this conversation. Right, that's what I'm saying. Solar energy is important. with the atmosphere and the oceans. You know, there's only so much oil we can mine and burn. a few hundred million gallons of fuel over the whole world, The president's been tweeting about it. It takes a lot of energy.

1:21:40 No, definitely not. Right. if it was 100% electric, or some encouragement from the government financially? But it's definitely a scientist's world. power plants, aircraft, car, frankly, even rockets. It's great. It shows up every day. Very reliable. are subsidized by the cost, the environmental cost to Earth. Yeah, I've got to scale up production. Like, have you driven one 600 miles now?

1:27:11 330-mile range, what is that in terms of kilowatts? It's like on level ground with, you pump the tires up really well and go on a smooth surface. sky is it possible that one day you'll be able to just power all these cars just on solar power? could be a giant solar panel well at the beginning of tesla i did want to have this like unfolding Yeah. They got what?

1:29:29 where the flood in did you watch the video? Watch that video, laugh my ass off. They all he just boated through like, Denver, and it snows out. Yeah. Whoa. It's pretty crazy. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. So, like to countersteer. Oh, yeah. No, it's really good. It knows how to do it? Yeah. Whoa. Why not? Yeah, and like Norway and Canada and a few other places.

1:31:53 So with a gasoline car, you've got a lot of latency. But to an electric motor, it's operating at the millisecond level. You're just moving so slowly. Yes. Like we, you know, people still sue us. Do you take that into account with like the same sort of fatalistic undertones? And they see, like I haven't, so far I've found judges to be very good at justice.

1:35:02 That guy sued us. Thank God. You know about that story? He's in jail right now I, for the rest of his life. And he put away, he would take like a young boy would do something like steal something from a store. And he would put him in detention for five years, something ridiculously egregious. And they investigated his history and they found out that he was literally being paid off. Was it by private prisons?

1:36:37 So I think they are elected. A million dollar payment to put Yes. is evidence that police are all corrupt. I agree. someone is that it becomes a game. And in games, people want to win. And sometimes people cheat. And then your view of the world can get negatively – have a negative view of the world because you're just interacting with a lot of criminals.

1:39:55 I was like, wow, that's pretty rough. On the other side. genders, some, some men frame women like that. They get ripped off by a few women and they decide It is. we have to be better than we think I'm going to leave it for the guests. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a good move. Yeah, SpaceX in McGregor. It is? Yeah, you can buy fireworks where your kids go to school.

1:43:51 I kind of like Texas, actually. Most people are good. Mushrooms. All kinds of them. Sure. You know, I wish politicians were better at science. and the deputy mayor has a physics degree. well i think like i guess if you're if you're uh if you have like top secret stuff um then you want It's like national spy agencies do not give a rat's ass what porn you watch.

1:47:38 Huawei is number two. that they'll have too much power. it doesn't matter. But when you're talking about your neural link and this idea that one day we are going Interface where we have the symbiotic relationship with some new Information, right? Right. But somebody let it go and they put it online and all right. And that we're all connected in some sort of an insane way. What do I mean? How, what are our

1:52:25 There might be some war of ideas, potentially. A digital arena. The car business is the hardest one of all the things you do? You know, there's only two car companies Yeah. Yeah, by the skin And this is when you had those cool Roadsters with the T-top? One false premise was that we'd be able to cheaply convert the Lotus Elise and use that as a car platform.

1:55:02 everything had to be redone. Different. It was a belt-driven air conditioner. How much did those weigh? 50... Well, there were different versions of the car They do once you understand them. You're screwed. Really? To who? I'll swear in private. if you know how to turn into the corner once once you get used to the feeling of it, there's 997? The older ones, right?

1:59:10 Yeah. It's like everything about it like crackles and bumps and it gives you all this feedback. Yeah. Okay, I'll get with the car you drive. For LA regular days. paneled yeah yeah we're i have it on my roof right now actually i'm just trying it out it's like it Right. So it's really tricky. But if you zoom out, you don't see the cell. Now, are those available to the consumer right now?

2:02:15 That one is hard. Those will actually work. Like call it half to 1.5 of the energy that you need, I'm just going to make it this temperature all day long. Like there's no point in cooling the home, keeping the home really cool when you're not there. I know you have. This is a Casio. Well, you know, like there's the self-winding watches where, you know, it's just got a weight in the watch. And as you move your wrist, the weight moves from

2:05:52 I have a Rolex that my friend Lorenzo gave me, reset it it seems like they should recalibrate that thing they can't they tried they say every I mean, the whole luxury watch market is fascinating. it right in the ass they're buying these watches for like 750 000 i'm like yo that's a timex son that's yeah i agree yeah it's not just telling time i like this watch a lot but if it got hit

2:08:14 Yeah. No. True. I marveled at his ability to get through life without a case. He says that's the reason why they do it. store things in there but like try to put a joint in there. Close it. You put like one. One blunt. Or is it a cigar? Come on, man. That's all it is. Well, it's not just a drug. It's a drug that gets a bad rap because you just have

2:11:36 the smart thing to do is not just to have bumpers, but to perhaps have some sort of Yeah, yeah. it was a time of transition where there were You figure, like, Back in the gangs in New York days. when I think of you, I've always thought of you as being this weirdo, This is a great clock. It's TGT Promotion. Well, get ready for another one. wow, how does this guy just keep inventing shit?

2:14:58 And that in his day, there was a million people like him who were radically innovative. Like where I've woken up and it's in the same dream. a million like what and then things would advance very quickly. Right. I don't think you'd necessarily want to be me You wouldn't want to be Spider-Man No. that's running through your head all the time. Well, there you go.

2:18:41 I would like to cynically deny that. What do you like? when you say you like to get things done like in terms of like what gives you satisfaction when sort of creativity engine let's try it I'll try it. mantra, which Like what are you trying to achieve when you're meditating all the time with you it seems like almost like there's a All the time. probably not even getting this thing that I'm getting no it was just strange it was like

2:23:45 but you know i was only like five or six so like do you think this is like i mean there's Like you tapped into... Yeah. I mean, but like, you know, my goal is like try to do useful things, try to maximize the probability the future is good, make the future exciting. we're like trying to make things that people love. I wish there were more things. like when you're thinking about things like that is that like one of your considerations like what

2:26:57 That is a thing we want. Well, it's probably, if you're saying when does the sun boil the oceans? This is a great future. Yeah, I don't think so either. We can even get to Pluto. Well. You could get some water there. I'm pro-human. don't like humanity and see it as a blight, but I do not. and people suck and fuck people. But love is the answer. Wouldn't hurt to have more love in the world.

2:30:54 How do you get to fix that? Yeah. What percentage of that is a good idea? on Twitter and you read it, the weird feeling? So the vast majority of them, I just ignore them. You can make some mistakes. Fucking screenshot that shit, bitch. Yeah. I changed the way I view things. It's a lack of compassion issue people just like intentionally shitty to each other all the time online and trying to catch me.

2:35:07 You'd never be so mean Elon Musk, long form stuff like this. This is all good, right? You're usually and I believe it. I believe it's true too. So thank you. You're welcome. And all you assholes out there,