Joe Rogan Experience #1174 — Vinnie Paz Transcript

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0:00 If they don't fuck up, I don't trust them. Yeah, hmm. Mickey Ficky yeah the seven fishes He was just on the show. What the frick? Yeah, but. In what he's doing. I mean, you're really, Rogan, you've hit a little snag here. there's no way. No. but I'm such a fan of how punk rock – you've built all of this outside of sure yeah that's the weird part. Yo, that guy gets me through tough times, you know, and that's,

4:22 You can do that. my spirit it's one of the worst things but when you're living a certain way and everything's fast you know what I mean look at themselves and say you know what i'm a fucking mess yeah like'm negative all the time, and people don't want to be around me. There's people living in mud huts and places that are smiling. Or I don't like to travel.

6:41 people see you like what the fuck is this guy doing that follow you when you're walking through a store they had a song I feel most of course you know because of how you live, would think logic would dictate you would get tired. My mother's making gravy and meatballs. I know. They'll say, it's sauce. Yes. It is good. What Italian-Americans did is a totally different cuisine.

9:31 Yes. And then it's just different. The bread was occasional because a lot of times when they lived in New Jersey, there was a store that they would go to, a bread place, that you would go and buy fresh bread basically every couple days. that should be there i've read that i've read about floyd and the drinking water like the pros And they got some sort of a deal with the government to dump it into the water.

11:34 the theories, the better it is nullifies some more realistic things, like what they're pumping There's a lot of white girls out there with flat asses to this day. Okay. they don't need to do it either allegedly but you can get it And they're like, then why didn't you get popped? Of course. He is. dad did you did you hear it did you hear the podcast i watched half of it but i read his book

14:33 Yeah. then your vibration sort of matches their vibration. Maybe I should start reading more and reading the things. But like you said, though, yeah you know what i'm saying he's thought things through clearly he's not a silly person the last decade or so no it hasn't been and now they're starting and i think because of youtube No. He told me that he had a glass of cider and he couldn't sleep for 24 days.

17:42 And I don't mean that in a negative or derogatory way. Sure. You see these people around you that aren't scared? healthy. I'm not healthy mentally because of it. And I don't know how to shake that. It's not like she's sick. Did she sing along? I fear, what if this all ends? Right, right. I mean, people's business. It's called Apple TV. People are like, fuck got this uh this new thing it's called uh apple tv people like fuck apple tv yeah where's that gonna go michael blockbuster is not living

20:50 luckily. the way I continue, They think when we talk when you were in Philly, people hit you up the day of the show. that don't live in that world that they think everything we do is a party yeah well that We created our own luck, though. It's this open-ended puzzle. There's a lot of fumblers out there. I can't catch a break. I learned now this is going to make me better.

23:14 So adapt or die. How big could that be? Like I would respond to someone on Twitter, this or you know write your next this. the time. you would be, right? I can't even imagine. You know what I mean? go over all these details and find better hooks and find a better way to phrase things and this You just got to keep fucking, you just got to not give a fuck and keep pressing forward

26:48 Bat shit crazy, you know? I'm like, you don't understand. She's drinking. Like, yo, man, she's batshit crazy, first of all. It's just how she got there. I mean, I remember like when that show came on, I was like, maybe Archie Bunker, you know, Yeah. gets sick, that's what that pecking order thing is. And this, it happens with dogs. I believe she didn't know that.

30:21 But no one cares what her intent was. Me too. If people say I shouldn't be on welfare, well, what the fuck, man? Never seen it like this before. Yeah. get the fuck out of here it's roseanne without roseanne right three episodes yeah that's like And there's editing and you're sitting there and you're talking with a journalist. Fuck this. And all of a sudden toe. Right. It's not. Fuck this.

33:41 Sure. Because these publications It's hurting. And to me, that's scary. Like if you have a house, you have the right to pay your money, you get your power turned on. and they're still on. But they don't care if you disavow things. Are you saying that people aren't allowed to evolve their thinking? Well, it's these people that either are the CEOs or the stockholders or the CFOs, whoever it is that is in the meeting that's dictating these standards.

36:14 Of course. Well, Sam Harris has been tweeting to Jack. Yeah, he's like, fuck this. Yes. Yes. I know. Because my last Netflix special was exactly two years ago. I thought a cardboard box would beat him. and he's definitely an egomaniac well i think he has narcissistic personality disorder and that's but that doesn't mean you're stupid right you know what i mean but he um he took advantage of exactly what you said there's a big portion of this

39:16 But anyway, when you go through the middle of the country on tour Yeah. Of course. Everyone in the West is very proud of that fact. It's just naivete My son lives overseas. Artism? Okay, I thought you were saying artism. Autism. But the question is whether it's more common because it's more diagnosed or whether it's more common because there's more incidence of it.

42:15 Older men a lot of times have autistic kids. 100%, first time I was aware. Is it people that were on drugs? And then I think it's entirely possible that. Well, what you said about more knowledge and information being able to be shared, Do you smoke weed? I would fucking take that deer head and put it through my ear. I smoked when I was young was 10, and this started when I was 14.

44:49 14. I went to a doctor, told him what happened. No clue where I'm at. No, I was tripping balls. He did coke with Sam Kinison for like a couple of days. they believe in cancer because they see it destroy your body. That still isn't enough for these people. Immigrant mentality is real. Right. Like, if that's what you want, do it. You know what I mean?

48:27 I do everything for her and my son. I know you know comics with a fucking sense of entitlement, man. It's plagued. You know what drives me crazy? What do they get, like $2 an hour or something? we were eating at some nice restaurants a tip, but if you want, you can leave one. I got you. I tip big. yeah thank you right You know? I get those stories.

51:47 he is and i don't and if he's popular right now when he starts to wane those motherfuckers will yes and they they put smiles on other people's faces. Yeah. that they deserve to be treated, Just because you're a sweetheart, not because you asked for it. he fucking listens he smokes weed the allman brothers he's been around the block yeah and He's definitely not impressed by me, a rapper from Philly.

54:16 They want to be that guy who yells and wrecks hotel rooms. I understand it. Like my mom, I hear, all right, so I'm ready to smash something in a hotel. And it's still the one she stirs the gravy with, but it's still cracked. All this energy travels, man. Every fucking decision they made is self-inflicted, but they can't self-examine and say, maybe it's me.

56:26 Some people, yeah. Yeah, of course. I never did anything, like, horrible to someone. Yes, yes. because you're around motherfuckers world is this massive place like i just got back from thailand i was in thailand this summer by Time Magazine. there are very smart people who will punch you. It's a real city, but they're all, they're hard people. When they booed Dom Herrera.

59:34 I'm working with Dom tonight. He's a sweetheart. They don't listen. Because they don't take care of themselves. Maybe it's me and I'm a dickhead. You feel abandoned. They told him, stop smoking. So they got him for, You know, and those things manifest themselves in different ways as you get older that you don't even know. I mean, this is something I struggle with with my kids because I try to give my kids everything.

1:03:12 came from fucked up childhoods. I hate that Painters, musicians, rock bands, punk, metal. It does bust pipes. You know, when I started realizing it when I was smoking weed, I didn't really start smoking weed seriously until I was 30. Yeah, well. And sometimes when you don't know what you're fighting, with it and i've done that too but for us to be healthy here's the other question though if we

1:05:50 Maybe I need to be a drug addict. Yeah. I thought and think the same way. I woke up one day and cold turkey'd it. A little bit. Yeah, but I was drinking two bottles of Grey Goose alone every night. That's a lot. close, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing Sober October. Yeah. You don't believe me? How dare you? Wow, listen. You're looking at me, I took the whole month off. No pot? No, no pot. You don't believe me?

1:07:34 No, I wasn't. We're going to take a drug test. He said he's still going to do mushrooms when he's camping or some shit. Oh, that's put money on it, if I put money, I'm getting blood work. Ari's like, we're going to go to CVS. We're going to take a drug test. My zone, some my zone. This is it? I know you do a little boxing. So, boxing fan. Yeah. It's really like child molesters.

1:09:43 When I post something about boxing, I don't know. You know, Mack Danzig. Yeah, really watched his diet correctly and made sure he got the proper foods and fatty acids and all the different things. Yeah. yeah nerve-wracking you don't want to fuck up and wound an animal on television. And then, I probably was doing it wrong. um i just found that you know um making smart decisions forget vegan vegetarian or meat diet

1:12:39 it's like there's more at stake because it's not just about feeling better. You know, that's no joke. When he cracked Amir Khan with that right hand. The right hand. No. Just fucking hammer time. Especially if you're used to taking people out. He had bad hands. after Teddy Atlas You know, I think Triple G came on real strong towards the end of the fight.

1:15:38 Like the Dooku Kim stuff with Ray. Which is fucking dangerous. Larry Holmes had big tits, Of course. people are questioning you know your ability your ring iq your your corner you know it's a risk it's richest history. I mean, you get to see the rich history of boxing. It's beautiful that we have it to see. Well, very strange. Some of them might say Mike Tyson.

1:18:22 Yep. It's now a niche sport again. You know, was it Mike going to jail? You know, I don't know who else would beat him. I would have loved to see him against Tyson. He looked out of shape. A prime Larry was a beast. A shell of himself. Long, snap and jab. slipped through the cracks due to what was happening at that time yeah in comedy and then A little bit.

1:21:43 That's good. man and he still talks shit too. And when Mike Tyson went to jail, he's like, as long as Mike Tyson's in jail. He was. Yeah, or second to last, but the Parkinson's was already starting, man. It's your life. Yeah. You know what I mean? And half of it was taken. It's kind four to six years, and half of it was taken. But I remember when he fought Frazier, I was like,

1:24:13 For real. Oh, yeah. That was like the biggest thing in the U.K. ever. Right on the fucking button. Boom! Ooh, man. Oh, we got to undo these laces, cut this tape. Yeah. I mean, he was throwing. No one does that anymore. Beautiful. This is art. motherfucker can dance. Yeah, he can. cruiserweight yes which was even great i'm like yo his chin might not be all there well you know

1:27:58 Like, once Williams' face had been jabbed off. cracking you. Pat, pat, pat, pat. It's like trying to fight Willie Pepp. Yep. But we had a run. And then they get soft. Yeah. And then, you know, now it's Cubans and Russians. Yeah. I mean you know they call him the matrix Roy was technically awful. A lead left hook. Well, I think what got Roy, what really got Roy, in my opinion, I'm a giant Roy Jones Jr. fan.

1:30:48 And I think when he went up to fight Ruiz, he might have had some Mexican supplements Jacked, looked good. And he was shredded in the 90s. Yeah, and who knows how sophisticated his methods were. and these guys can't rehydrate correctly or the way that they want to. Yeah, that's why they do it. Yeah. He doesn't. And he's still at it. I truly believe

1:33:17 Bernard just lives clean to not eat his just insane dietary in the gym, you know. Yeah. And he gave him a fucking lesson. Yes. Maybe 51. Well, when Roy beat him the first time, Because Roy didn't have them. and astral traveling after the got knocked out by tarver yeah then there was not that much time in I thought that was going to be the end. It has to be.

1:35:58 That's crazy. Yeah, pop. Yes, Bernard was They wore that shit Really? yeah he fucked him up yeah man yeah bernard was a special athlete he really was absolutely special Because he was in jail for strong-arm robbery and got out Yeah. You know, the discipline and dedication to whatever you want to do can be achieved through that. He's still the same.

1:38:00 When he was trying to make 135 and all that. Before he even went to fight Leonard. And just subtle shit on the inside on the inside If people want to see Duran, watch those fights at lightweight. Well, he was shredded back then. That motherfucker will do some shit to us that I don't know Mike's capable of. He just grabbed a cat and chucked it against a wall.

1:40:19 No rugs, no floor, mud. he won't let those amateurs leave on a fucking raft. You try to make it to one went back and he was hanging out there but he said it was very tense like you don't talk you And being a top guy and getting paydays. I've got pictures. No. what life is like in, you know, these amateur programs. It's all they know. And the amateur program, being stuck there, being a prisoner.

1:43:13 A couple people did the same thing, like Russia, wherever they were at for games, and got the fuck out. Yeah. Like we don't, Of course. Change it. And if that doesn't change you, I don't know, man. bro oh do you yeah i'm like one of those dudes the air conditions on 24 hours and it's 30 degrees. I mean, I'm from Italy, so of course I love that. So from the time I texted my mom,

1:46:42 And I'm already nuttier than squirrel shit. before I started sleeping at night again I think it took me three I'd wake up like two hours later like italy and take them to different places i I like exposing them to Costa Rica. be happy but it's also I'm getting to experience the world through their eyes watch them ride an Yeah. It's weird. it's weird it's weird man so it makes

1:49:39 it was like it goes back to what we're talking about earlier like if you're not scared a little Right. They live in a bubble, Like, this is it. Go to the woods. With the kids? I want them to see. Yeah, it's fun, man. Yeah. shit out a long time ago though i started bringing my friends with me because in in promoters or I was, I was handing it to them.

1:52:56 right noon okay i'll meet you guys down yeah that's how we are you guys want to go to the gym That he did about traveling and he's alone? And I have friends to this day that don't do it that way. Sure. you're going to have a good time, will come to your next show. They're penny wise Yeah. 250 days a year period will fuck you up absolutely i i i can't say that people being with me i still

1:55:50 You know, there's still, and I don't, I can't make any sense out of that because I'm technically not alone. Yeah. It's the anxiety before I'm leaving. before. So come see me. than you it's beautiful being up on stage when people are laughing you know but getting there And everybody goes crazy. no, I'm a kid from Philly, you know, It's... Sometimes you gotta step back, you know? I don't think as people we do that shit. Yeah. You know, you're like, how the fuck did that? Sometimes you got to step back, you know?

1:58:25 You know what I mean? So it's... And then you're right in front of them like, That was very good. Near Dark. Yo, man. is telepathic. Yeah, man. Really? How old was he when he died? man you do never know yeah that's a hard life too man that movie star life maybe oh poor baby's a Loses his shit. Well, and then that was the second time he did that. It's just a horror scene.

2:01:59 I mean, just do something else, man. Do that movie and all that movie He got in fantastic shape, played Jake LaMotta, was ripped, like Charlize Theron did that it was like, wow. Jeez. Wow. It makes you think, all those chubby, gross ladies. Of course. Absolutely. making good actors. how often do you spend time out here? And Philly is not a showbiz hub.

2:04:39 A lot of great music. But this is a showbiz hub. Everyone. It'd be overwhelming, man. But it's just I've always been intrigued because L.A. and New York are those places where everyone you ask isn't from there. Nobody's from here. And New York is a weird one, too, because whenever I'm in New York, I look at Yeah. It is. that look like they're in Weezer,

2:07:36 But look, have at it, man, I guess. Right. Like, the only city more gentrified than New York is Philadelphia, in my opinion. So strange. your money that you're buying the building for the people that want to do it have to be cut from a Well, as far as like, as far as being more popular for doing that I would tell them these wrong Fuck everybody. you get those from the there's decisions that you've made that I've made that ultimately you made them because that's who you

2:10:54 And they're not who they are. the generation before us, the Cold Crush Brothers Like, I almost look at it't i guess i don't have a Of course. They just say whatever the line. Is it drug culture? and what created it? If that's my only option, then I'll listen to Slayer. I'll just watch a dope movie. Maybe if we were out of the bar or the club five nights a week and you weren't married with kids and we were hammered, maybe it sounds different.

2:14:32 where it's a lot of mumbling. and she's like, I literally had no idea what the fuck he was saying when he was talking to me. I thought it was like their style when they rhymed. Yeah, Big Daddy K. Yeah, of course. Whoop, whoop. That's a hit to them. Yeah, KRS-One. Yeah, Big Daddy K. Yeah, I think maybe these kids think you can't do both. You could dance to Out of Here.

2:16:17 That's like another mockery. I don't think they're thinking. Yeah. You know? the greatest of all time he was one of the greatest for sure i've listened to so much of his shit yeah Because towards the end, he was doing more social to like carry the torch of His show was so unique too because of his narration. They're not gonna do any narration. Another punk rock guy, too. Oh, yeah, man. That man. It's tough, man. Another punk rock guy too.

2:19:17 decades inside of a few years. He did. know anybody that just goes there yeah or whether it's bourdain who would make these shows about it to something if not a fuck you fuck me yeah you know, just fuck everything. What is this? What are we doing? Yeah, I don't know what we're doing. That's the antithesis of how to fix that. okay it's an important part of what we do it's a huge part telling that kid the system that

2:22:30 Information with no, it's literally like giving you an engine but not giving you driving lessons. No. You're right. What do I do? Get a job. And it's this cycle, and that's what the cycle of this country. me that did she wow i never thought you were very funny. All right, Mom, wait till I talk shit about you and all the people laugh. People like us are examples, and they also, there is, though,

2:25:14 Maybe this is me. Well, my brother's brought home Suck MCs. by New Edition? Yes. When I was in junior high school i heard sugar hill gang for the very first time it's a life change and i remember thinking whoa this is But, like, first time, like, I rhymed, like, 98. After high school. This is it. the question if someone's a stranger says what do you do you know I have to answer it because it is

2:29:34 whereas you know historically rap has just been so ego driven i'm the best i'm you know that's And it is. You know what I mean? Well, I just landed yesterday. or something I love being out here I would lose Yeah, I was zapped. He's getting shit done, though. Yeah it's like real is one of those rare But that's wasting. And that's what it's built around.

2:33:07 No, no, no, no. It's weird. Really? I really can't do anything during the day. Yeah, I'm sure. because when we were kids 100 million records but it's And I never want to feel like I'm obligated to do something. Obviously, all this shit takes a physical toll on you, how was blah, how was the blah, I never saw shit, like i said like i think it just the entertainment business in general it's there's a there's a perception that it isn't work because it's not the work they do.

2:36:49 i wrote in a rhyme book it's like a spiral rhyme book for you for all my adult life and then i It's called like Notepad or something. Everything changed. in the past two years Is there any window that you could see opening up Yeah. And don't pay them. 55 or something something for like 200 I mean, these are guys who are It's stunning, and I don't understand

2:40:21 It's like, if you guys weren't getting paid correctly I don't want to. Well, I just understand what they're doing. Right. sign those major label deals that are you know in the videos with the jewelry and shit. Yeah. They're taking his merch. Yes. Well, you've got to be offering something. Right. It's got to be through the internet. Yeah. It's a little bit easier to track, I suppose.

2:44:07 It shouldn't be. That's it. Yeah, that's it. What is that? Can you even quantify that as money at that point? How much is that going to shift? it was rectified, she put it back up. They're giving people money for podcasts too. But people can get your podcast. Yeah. Do you own all your music? on your masters man so it's like you can't do it you know if i want to uh you know an album of mine that came out in 2010 say in 2020 i want to do a 10th anniversary edition on blue vinyl and all

2:47:27 no, what's your name? Is that like, Yeah, it's just like a nostalgia thing. Yeah. I'd rather listen to Thin Lizzy vinyl i'd rather listen to you know rather listen to thin lizzy on vinyl metal stuff like i mean a lot of a lot country that do shit on reel-to-reel because that sound you can't right you can't ever fully Mostly streaming now? Like, I loved opening the vinyl.

2:50:42 Right. That's a weird thing to me. All day. This album cover's great. Fucking crazy. I don't know what's crazy. that he was a superstar in Africa. If you haven't seen it, folks, you've got to see it. He's the no fucking joke, man. on you you're still more comfortable in that other way yeah you know some people don't want to I think a lot of people are like that.

2:53:24 in your hourglass. He keeps you going. He goes to Terrence Crawford fights, though. He's an interesting guy. My pleasure, brother. Yeah. It was awesome. Oh, that was great.