Joe Rogan Experience #1204 — Steven Rinella Transcript

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0:00 you know uh you know what's funny i'll tell you later tell me now three two one what's funny My dad was brought up in the south side of Chicago. like to be brought up in a house Just being Sicilian in the first place, there were so many people that were impregnated by the moors and by various people in your particular makeup how so like what do you mean you know i hate to right off the bat

3:31 lot of ancestry that just isn't captured in your genetic code in a way that would be detected listen you need to have a dude on that understands it and that's i say i feel like i'm off on a bad different type of human that bred with homo sapiens and that there's like little bits and But I just can't get comfortable with it. Right. Yeah. And he goes, look, somebody back then fucked a human.

6:37 are you know like anatomically and kind of behaviorally modern humans were hooking up with neanderthals was it Yeah. The Homo sapiens. I mean, Jesus fucking Christ. Legend in the world of the pro wrestling. So it's going to take more than this to hurt his feelings.. I don't believe he is. He's a legend. Legend in the world of the pro wrestling. Oh, he died.

8:37 Because when anthropologists look at the skeletal remains of Neanderthals, they see this sort of suite of this pattern of injuries on them. And another thing they found is that when you're looking at skeletal remains Whoa. they had anything that could launch them. And these are all things that as we kind of like wake up to what these people really like, and it paints like a more complicated picture.

11:36 and it kind of paints this really sad picture, right, that they would be sort of in the autumn of their existence, what does it say humans are just as violent as neanderthals are you familiar with the writer bounced around a few years ago. It was really hilarious about And it seemed almost like a goof at first. uh see i was gonna say my limitations as an as an anthropologist but i'm certainly not an

14:56 terms of scholarly consensus but another stuff like with with neanderthals i'm always a sucker Yeah. Just go to that and then go to images. Yeah, it's pretty preposterous. Okay, monkey, gorilla, Neanderthal. They have like some pinky bones and shit. It's really good. Yeah, exactly. like how a porcupine quill works. Well, who knows what antlers are for?

18:21 And when we cut into the hindquarter, just this bucket of pus came out. Yeah, all over his body. And people were asking me, well, no wonder you got him. got him but i was like no his good eye was facing me on his line of approach yeah mahi-mahi. When we did the complete guide to hunting, butchering, and cooking wild game, And it had to happen. was the first thing we did was started collecting the pictures because i think a lot of times you

21:39 underway but i think it's i think like it's cool looking though you know no it's great like the Yeah. and yay, everybody's happy, the end. and explaining various justifications to them And it's a little bit surprising. People, I think that people don't, the kind of people you're talking about who are largely unfamiliar with it, but they're looking at it from the outside and they're skeptical

25:02 wherever the gig was, you know, and I'm just watching these animals jump in front of the car, like left and right. it with just general population thing and it was full stop too he didn't get he didn't give a lot means you need to continue doing bad shit right um one that's very obvious is people understand edge of a dirt road and there it is laying eggs on the side of the dirt road we were eating that

27:40 Wow. Yeah, boiled fish. lose some of that in the broth yeah for sure but it's like when you it's like when you have the to list their five favorite salmon preparations, conversations that I've had around it since. Not until after. And beaver were approved for the Lenten meal because they were aquatic. The first ones we ate, I had started reading about,

31:26 The richest man in the country, their money came from beavers. the trade in beaver hides wow it'd be like buying something now you'd want to buy oil and gas right how hard is it to people historians like people not historians popular historians really love to there were Native Americans living on the Great Plains Wow. coming up from Mexico who were doing activities in and around the Great Plains

34:37 Like Lewis and Clark were encountering people who had horses, right? and my brothers, I remember, stuck a beaver tail in the oven for a while There's pictures and an explanation of how to prepare, we thought it It still has value today. It's used for a wide variety of things. It smells beautiful. I read other accounts of how people prepared beaver tail.

37:35 it's like if you had a really, like imagine you're eating a grass-fed steak, right, And they had ready access to because you're what you want to eat changes a lot. Yeah. a lot of nutrient deficiencies ate shit loads of organs your guy putting gall putting gall on your Yeah, because you can't just eat that lean-ass game meat every day. Yeah. Yeah. of a podcast uh and and certainly comes from a completely different era yeah the the reason he

42:46 they would go in and hunt in september and then he would just start hanging out and just stay there When I stayed out there, he kind of, like, will sort of drift off I need to get one of those bowls. And he sells them. Get some of your meat eater folks. And just to think that what he does is almost impossible to comprehend. Now think about Lewis and Clark making their way across the country and not really knowing what was out there.

45:22 They had wanderlust. Right. had a familiarity with outside peoples. right? what happens um yeah very different kinds of people your episodes that you did what where Yeah. You're about as close as you can get to that kind of environment, right? their 30s when they're a boy they probably use a 12 pound handmade wooden paddle and maybe now but when europeans came here when europeans came to the world, they weren't coming in as hunters, right?

50:31 And so it's like our understanding is just different because my ancestors came here and got into it. It's like they'll eat the same thing every day for lunch. You'd probably smoke what they would call barbecue fish, like wild game cookies i understand it where you make a book and it's got a hundred different Does it weird you out when you're around people like that?

53:17 There's no option for them. There's no options, and they've been doing it that way forever. like aligned you know right where i like appreciate the perspective and i appreciate the skill set, but never feeling, um, check your mailbox my uh my youngest daughter has become enamored with fishing, and I love it. Because I get to, whenever we go on trips, I take her fishing.

55:01 She's like, I'm so excited. Oh, really? She was hooked. It seems like it's just in the DNA. she's gone fishing and caught stuff it's okay it. It's okay. When we had a daughter, my wife was adamant early on, But the older two, I feel like I put the same emphasis on it. But when I talk to other parents, like, you know, parents who are parenting right now young kids, I just keep

57:40 where it's like loves it they're both girls the ten-year-old she's like whatever you know if i try to wake her up I think there, and I'm sure you're aware of this there's people that are in the hunting world I don't look at a guy who hunts and who wants to be a part of the outdoor industry and go, super legit a lot of them but there's unquestionably this added element in that world and with it let's

1:00:54 exercise. you want to go to school she'd be having a real delinquency problem. like made me feel awful right with my boy i've been like to see a division of labor here and to have like that men were out hunting and women It is very much the norm that hunting was, you know, patrilineal descent activity and Like I said, it's hard to unload it. I wish I could have 100 children, like 50 girls and 50 boys,

1:04:49 Fox? I just cut it in with beaver meat and a little bit of deer meat and a little bit of pork fat. So I had a hat, an arctic fox hat made for her, and I retained the meat. went out and we were hunting street pigeons. a pigeon is yeah flightless pigeon pigeon hasn't flown yet that's what a squab is so smaller and And what's the difference between pigeon and squab in terms of the way it tastes?

1:07:47 would be what a squab tasted like. costly they're costly to cities they're costly to cities. They're costly to agriculture. So I'd always eaten pigeons. But the minute of discovering what a squab was like, which is well Yeah, make pâtés from it. But what's good is to use it similar to stuff with ptarmigan or whatever, She lives like fucking, what does she live?

1:10:19 It's otherworldly. pâtés from using all all manner of meat do you have any recipes in that book for brown bear no but we have bear recipes is there a The most popular as in preferred? People love bear meat. A brown bear is a grizzly with access to marine resources where marine resources make up a major component of its diet. Or nowadays, because people are so aware, like in the social media world, nowadays, you'll have people who will kill a brown bear.

1:14:18 Where I have a cabin, there's a salvage requirement on bear meat in the spring. So it winds up being that if the island is good brown bear habitat, Because if you're talking about coastal bears, coastal bears are better to eat in the spring when they're not eating tons of rotten salmon in the fall there wouldn't be a salvage requirement because when they're eating dead salmon

1:16:07 which they love to do, and they seem to prefer it. Brown bears. I was talking about like grizzlies up on the North Slope have a very good reputation. And he has been fascinated by my obsession with hunting. and this keeps the moose population healthy and it really disturbed him. sole intention that they will all die and he will make his living off of their death but that person

1:19:31 And then you get into the idea of what, when it comes to American wildlife, I think people would have a way different perception. you know very few kids have stuffed cows that they're pets yeah or that they're uh toys they People look at that. Extremely, and this is way outside of my personal area of expertise so you take a state where like new jersey or florida where they for a long time you know

1:23:17 People are hard to get on board with it. I don't know if you watch what's going on with grizzly bears around what has been unfortunately named the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, thought of something you eat yeah like mountain lions like even if mountain But people, they think of that thing as somehow or another better than her alpacas, which is very weird.

1:25:07 What if it was your mom? I don't mean that. And they tracked a lion down and killed the lion. they would lose it would get lost and trump would say something stupid about north korea or whatever mountain lions. I personally welcome the return of mountain lions to any suitable habitat where At the same time, I like to see, when it's appropriate, I like to see state-managed wildlife practices and then allowable harvests of animals.

1:28:37 missoula montana there's a place 20 miles east there called rock creek lodge and they're famous had a girlfriend who's from wyoming and she one day is standing behind a guy in a she's standing the back straps with fat on it you can leave the fat on it and take that back strap and see you But we're fine with things we are accustomed to. If you've never seen what a goat can do to an environment they just destroy everything they

1:31:46 set up she had a high-powered rifle which they're already using out there anyways and it was just a I'm like, you're a journalist. He eats meat. I didn't know that he did. And I prefer to get meat that way. I'm like, you know, my brother said it best. opinions of value right just just like let your opinion be known yeah so if you're going to have that like where's the self-examination

1:35:12 Like, I understand the history of wildlife in this country. And if I can know that well and get a deer, a bear, whatever, and have it be food and find that I'm really happy to be involved in that, that somehow is off-putting to people. engage with it though and i need to get a better to engage with it, though, oh, but they were raised to be eaten. I don't think his position is nuanced.

1:37:36 It's an invasive species. an added element that our government on the federal level is involved. There's a lot of state wildlife management agencies that are involved a variety of ways who would want to establish food resources along trans-oceanic but fresh meat you can keep from having scurvy. Swim across. the native wildlife, and the native the motivation of that person.

1:41:16 people understand that. I think people do understand if something gets put on the ballot, Yeah. They're not people that are living, you know, an hour outside of Bakersfield. there's a problem where I think a lot of people where you're losing a lot of cattle, the wolves and grizzlies, where the issue around grizzly bears and in the delisting so you know they were delisted they

1:43:34 that they didn't have one you wanted you want to think that they were just looking at You'll get a few people that are upset, but it hadn't been an established resource. They masquerade as they have an environmental motivation, but it's not. And that's been happening recently. and they feel that people from far away are really heavily influencing decisions that affect them on a daily basis,

1:46:35 rockies soon to be in the greater yeltsin ecosystem now i think you're dealing with local and then But the rest of the country doesn't give a shit. I'm definitely, I'm anything but. It's passed today. Long despised by farmers and ranchers, wolves were shot, trapped, poisoned out of existence in most of the U.S. in the mid-20th century. And that's what people have a great issue with.

1:49:35 You would have eventually have gotten there anyway. Do you think the reintroduction native species of wildlife from the landscape. right? this is where people are going to have issues. and the u.s fish and wildlife service says it recovered, it's time to hand it back to state management. If a state then decides that they're going to do some limited

1:52:35 well, numbers of their offspring will dwindle and they'll get to some sort of a sustainable level No, but they kill cattle and they butt up against humans. having wolves on the ground doing it. What a crazy fucker that guy must have been, huh? You've eaten coyote. Haven't messed with one since. going to have a problem with at the very that might be where the the rubber hits the road well

1:55:44 It hasn't been in the first few You know, it was very effective to bring in limited regulated hunting, You're going to eventually, I mean, it kind of depends on how the political winds blow, Yeah, I agree with you, and I think the grizzly bear thing thing you probably have the same sort of situation where the grizzlies will eventually that live up there that that hunt them this is kind of scaring the shit out of them that all

1:58:24 and I don't know all the factors that play as well as I do here. They're great. talking about these things it's also they become like everything they become a proxy where we're around wildlife and be impacted by wildlife? to it has has found its place to live right now around large predators yeah and in scotland it's And have the ability to introduce people to all these different ideas.

2:02:22 What do you say? But it's like you're seeing who knows how old that is. Beautiful experiences, man. get this bad taste in their mouth about it whereas uh i tell people all the time if you really want Like, God, I wish everybody could see it the way I see it. Yeah, I think it's important to point out that my love of hunting and of fishing and of living like a hands-on relationship with the natural world, living in close proximity to wildlife.

2:05:37 I love it today. just hadn't had the time or, you know, didn't have the time or ability to really go out and express it. If people see negative stereotypes when they're on YouTube or see negative stereotypes on certain television shows. A lot of that stuff is self-feeding. I think a lot of that stuff gets created because I think there's some of that.

2:08:30 let's let's talk about this for real this is really something we need to discuss let's like Yeah. game you know you could come in and hunt it would just mean that you had a much larger pool of You'd wind up with the same number of turkeys being killed. the world in a way that like enhances their lives provide education right and share my experiences

2:12:03 Right. research on and on we fund that stuff through hunting and fishing licenses and through excise Yeah. But it's a stranger. as a personal insult by any stretch, man. uh elk to a lot of different places and made sustainable populations that are now hunted writing it and they're saying how wolves have only been recovered across 10 percent of their

2:16:17 time now which is like regulated harvest regulated management um so all that stuff was gone like and love and are able to use as a renewable resource is those species tend Here it winds up being that you come up against social tolerances. It's hard to, we wind up with fewer and fewer places where we can go and do it. From domestic sheep yeah their their

2:18:58 It's an insulting idea to people. People don't want to be inconvenienced by wildlife. Yeah, what are they calling that again? Yeah we're gonna have Is reintroduce a bunch of animals in rural areas like cattle ranching and and to see these to see these areas returning to but the core mission is something that most people, when you look at it, care? what is their long-term plan?

2:23:30 where there was a social scientist named, I think it was Frank Popper, rapidly declining. Because you have large tracts of federally managed public land up there. was talking about uh in the And we're going to try as hard as we can to undo what you did. the outside conveniently can be ignorant about it and go oh fuck those ranchers i want to see the

2:26:59 I'm glad that market hunting is not a thing. I mean there would have to be some weird work around I put up these posts all the time But then it's... I mean, those places are tested and herds that have CWD in them are destroyed. of non-native wildlife. You just shoot and leave it a lot of you know native uh plant you're able to say, well, you know, we're participating in wildlife control.

2:30:48 But I understand where they're coming from. because i don't want to wind up with sort of a this like monolithic wildlife pattern or these a problem. Like on some of the Hawaiian islands eradicating the pigs. And I can also look far away and laugh at the absurdity of it. No, but I've, no, there's not. marketing wild cervids no i agree and i i think that just the sheer possibility of fuckery

2:35:25 would I let you come in or allow you to come in and use a resource when I'm just going to do my outbreaks and the spread of certain wildlife Your podcast is awesome. It really is. I'm glad i talked to you into doing it yeah i owe it all to you and every chance i get i point to it i appreciate You know, it's just a great podcast and you're a great guy for the job.

2:37:20 Right. And I remember thinking, why doesn't this guy have a fucking podcast? The first time I ever heard the word podcast was Helen Cho telling me that I should go on Joe Rogan's podcast and I didn't know what it meant. Okay. And it's broken into a bunch of chapters where it has big game, small furred game like rabbits, hares, squirrels, upland birds, waterfowl, freshwater fish, saltwater fish, shellfish and crustaceans, reptiles and amphibians.

2:38:55 dude i'd love to go out and get some wild game i can't go get an elk like how do i do that you It's, like, how to, like, handle game hearts, whether it's mule deer, white tail, whatever, or this is a bluegill recipe, People are very uncomfortable with squirrel eating. Yeah. If you go read up on it, it now seems like people are really saying, like, there's no obvious relationship here.

2:41:48 We don't really, like, you know. is we have how to do buffalo wings, Do they vary state by state? I think it's four a day, four squirrels a day. your state jackrabbits are managed as non-game meaning there's no bag limit and open year-round snows like uh cottontails snowshoes have different I caught some there. All right. That's one of my favorite guys on your podcast. He's a squirrel man or a squirrel lady. Like your buddy Kevin Murphy? He's a squirrel. That's one of my favorite guys on your podcast.

2:44:53 blow a ram's horn it's not it's not a cow yeah it's not a cow horn but it's a ran horn you know left your campfire in the morning, you would fill that horn with embers and cap it, but there'd be a little But Kevin Murphy just blows it to let squirrels know he's coming. We'll make it happen.