Joe Rogan Experience #1213 — Dr. Andrew Weil Transcript

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0:00 4, 3, 2, all the way from Tucson, Arizona. Well, I've been doing the same things for a long time, Enlighten me. First of all, it's beautiful. So it's got much more of the things that you want. Freezer. So you get stimulated by it. It's like a real bamboo. Yeah, and sometimes I have a glass of iced matcha later in the day, especially in warm weather.

2:51 neighbors who practiced tea ceremony. And they did this thing for me. And I was fascinated by that The most – the highest are too expensive to use for everyday use. Hard to estimate for a cup. Is it like yerba mate or guarana or any other kind of stimulants? they were different people. Did you grow up in a northern climate? I grew up in Philadelphia.

5:32 And one piece of advice that I often give people is you should try to eat across the color spectrum every day. Absolutely. Okay. Do you eat meat or chicken or fish? I don't. And she came up to me at a meeting once and pleaded with me not to recommend that people eat fish. Yeah. Mollusks? You eat mollusks? And I started eating fish. So, you know, it's hard to give blanket rules except i have no problem telling people to stay away from refined processed

8:27 How would you define that? come from, that show reasonable evidence of efficacy and are not going to hurt people. You get a cut, you can watch it heal. to maintain equilibrium, heal itself. Now, knowing that the body has this it the ability to maintain equilibrium, heal itself. You remove that, it heals. Sure. Does it mean bulging? Now, John Sarno's idea was that it's a lot of stress and anxiety and a lot of different psychological factors that are causing

12:16 which shuts off blood supply and it's a vicious cycle that'll localize in an area you've had So it can confuse you into thinking it's the injury that's causing you pain when it's in fact. But basically, it's reassurance that it'll go away on its own. jesus yeah really no i there's got to be something to that right there's some there's something to The most interesting word there is just.

15:17 of the brain in which our will is isn't doesn't connect directly to the machinery of the body to just to have it at access? We don't have access to those controls. Is it because doctors are just seeing too many patients and they're overwhelmed and they got legal bills and they have – And in that group, healing is less likely to happen. And one of my colleagues did a lot of work in training paramedics to be really careful about what you say around unconscious people who have been massively injured.

18:06 Yeah. So you want to be very careful about whose hands you place yourself in. Center for Integrative Medicine get it. surgeons neurologists dermatologists anything you can whatever it is yeah and so you try to You know, we may use conventional medication, but if you do, I recommend using the lowest i'm not i can't see any basis for crystal healing oh bro i got a crystal in my pocket right now exactly all

21:05 Whose idea was it to start doing those colonics? And you have to stand there. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to pass. into the rectum you don't want to drink downstream of that yeah and and uh you know there's no need One is through breathing. Yes. That's insane. Cut it off at the pass. And this, by the way, happens with heroin addicts, happens with cigarette addicts.

24:04 And all you can do is arrange circumstances that maybe it'll happen. Interesting. Yes. First of all, they don't work so well. it turned out to be the most prescribed drug in America. I can't believe that. That's just astounding. Well, the word is that 25% of women between 40 and 50 are on antidepressants and 10% of adults in the country. Most of the medications we use are counteractive.

26:31 of these drugs antidepressants they raise serotonin levels at neuro junction neural junction so what they're on some cancer medication or they're on, you know, something that cures polio. Like, CBD as well. especially when you bring up the exercise one right i bring up the exercise one they go oh But also we did Four hours a day during october because i was working out four hours a day. It was, if you could get that in pill form,

29:18 And there are side effects of physical activity are great. apparently it has that rebound rebound exactly right he gets horribly anxious well these are that as well. And I think that most of the psychedelics are so non-toxic, so safe, and in the right hands, I think there's many possibilities for good outcomes. And then over the course of X amount of years, they were still at 60%.

31:29 A bunch of pussies who are scared to jump all the way in. Weren't doing so good health wise Microdosing That would be a big one. like there's some incredible benefits to that in terms of like reinforcing community and civilization, If a cat licked me, I'd get highs where it licked me. cat had no allergic reaction and never did ever after instant disappearance of an allergy that

34:00 Maybe a year later, same thing. I should not be afraid of the sun. I would have had my usual reaction. Well, see, what I would do is when Dr. Weil's psychedelic clinic opens, I would have like – And people are trained to lose their allergies. So I was on the verge of giving up. I raised it, lowered it. If I had not had that experience, I would have given up.

37:09 And it was because of your own tension and worry you probably learned patterns of tension that had built up on my life and maybe some because of the conscious or the There's a numbness to it that gets removed by edible marijuana. So the pain is easy to figure out how that happens. So that could be some. I'm not going to keep that to myself because I want – when people tell me things that I have no experience of, I'm always willing to entertain the possibility.

40:21 and it would be really nice if we were all better at controlling consciousness is primary. Maybe existed before matter, maybe organized matter into forms that Right. He's like, it just seems like this area where this battle the kind of guy that we... Yeah. Like, who's, why is this a, and then having all these people die together in this one horrible battle in this one place.

43:16 A science? And that connects to the involuntary nervous system. Interesting. So they've tried noises and swearing? i'm a big fan of the swears i'll leave you some papers about the science of swearing it's The same areas of the brain wouldn't- show so it was okay and it was 11 o'clock by the time they said shit and uh i remember thinking So it's kind of a, you know, a kind of game we all play.

46:19 There's a psychological, social aspect to it, but there's also a neurological aspect to it. And then I was like, you guys have different swears. God damn it would be just like, ah, shucks. But if someone was like super conservative and they said it. It seems to be universal. Yeah. You can say a lot of Spanish swears on English speaking TV and everybody just pleads ignorance.

48:38 Wow. I think when I swear in front of people, I'm testing them out. I don't know. I think ultimately you find what you enjoy, and the best way to find what you enjoy is people actually doing what they want to do, and then you figure it out. they're like hey andrew we got the uh monthlies in and you're doing great you got a hundred thousand people a day they'd be like

51:28 There's no group of people that's saying, Andrew, can you stop saying this or let's concentrate on that. never censored what i say i've always put it all out there good for you yeah i've done that all my Right. I did the first human experiments with pot that were ever done under double-blonde conditions. I took like the most basic stuff. They'd say their eyes are dilated.

54:28 And because they're nervous. I'm like, this is not alcohol. Yes, the third's the best bet. And if you're accustomed to it, then it's just like, here we go. Bro, you're high as fuck. And there were two universities involved, Harvard University and Boston University. Anyway, they brought this stuff on a Friday afternoon. the microscope and there was no resin on it so they grumbled and they gave me other stuff which

57:28 Yeah. It's kind of just like, okay, now we know. changing. But you know, the big stumbling block now, we got to get cannabis out of that federal Yeah, we got the first dispensary license and growing operation over there. But there's specified conditions. The waters are federal. What if you have cancer or something like that? No. There was nothing. And they'd just give it to you.

1:00:42 No, I was heavily in my earlier life. Take it orally. I was immobile. Anyway, it lasted 12 hours. Yeah. And know, driving on the streets. This It's a different drug. think we're dead it's so stupid it's so stupid you it's like it's it's good for kids to hear No, I have not heard of a star of death. Eight, I don't know. And the species name sativa means useful.

1:04:47 You can't unravel the early botanical history of cannabis because as far back in history as we go, it's always associated with human settlements. Great, yeah. It's fascinating also how well the propaganda worked against it and how long, even in defiance of all the facts. Now, I have to tell you, when I did those pot experiments in 1968, I predicted that

1:06:02 It's totally irrational. And, of course, all accentuated by William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger and the Reefer Madness films. fentanyl that one scares the shit out of me they just keep ramping that one up and making it more the liver, degeneration of the nervous system. But overdoses. then when the time was up, he'd go back to work. I guess find a new vein and figure out how to do it and not give himself gangrene.

1:09:00 So at some point, a group of his colleagues kidnapped him and took him on a yacht for several weeks. But the point is that it's a whole different game from alcohol and tobacco. Particularly pills. So, you know, this is, I think the opioid crisis that we've got in this country is a integrative and they listed the different modalities. They left out mind-body medicine,

1:11:35 Wait a minute. put you under and cook your hand it's like it's hot if it's hot it's gonna fuck you up It was in my yard in Tucson. And most people that have walked that night, it looked like they were not in the right mental state. So like an annoying guru? I thought, I'm going to watch. And I said, I'm not going to do this. I kind of wiggled my feet in the things.

1:14:42 man. The heat was amazing. Do you know the Tony Robbins one? So you really think that you have the ability to mitigate the amount of effect that fire and hot coals have on your skin? Letting someone hit you as hard as they can You know, the usual scientific explanation is that- Drunks involved in car accidents don't give a fuck how much Tony Robbins talks you into the zone. Common experience. Drunks involved in car accidents

1:16:41 falling. You hurt yourself. Because you're not tense on the surface of your skin, which is causing the heat to burn your flesh. We'll try it. You are meat. But I absolutely believe you can achieve different states of mind where you feel things differently. Because if it's proven, this is really huge. All right. It's on my list. Well, I work with a healer and he tells me like, okay.

1:19:29 And it inspires you to do the experiments. It's most certainly accurate many times. I agree. That would be very interesting. Melanocytes. you said it was outside the realm of possibility not outside but sounds crazy okay definitely Yeah You see what that is? Hypnosis and guided imagery. And they – There was one called ichthyosis, which is like the whole skin gets covered with this calloused, tarred tissue.

1:22:15 I remember that. warts medically, we burn them off, freeze them off, cut them off. And most of the time when we do that, they grow back in multiple clusters. And it can do the opposite too. No. He doesn't know about Lil B? Yeah hex on a dude. Uh-huh. And when he puts a hex on you, you got a real problem on your hands. Okay. All right. In fact, it has a name.

1:25:06 B was like, okay, bitch. That's pretty funny. but he could have bought a house Like there was a fighter that we had in here the other day, Deontay Wilder. I mean, he's a phenomenally successful fighter, and in his mind, he believes that he has some, Powerful. of the placebo effect because they think it's tricking people, it's duping them. there's the direct effect of the drug, and then there's a halo of belief effect. And, you know,

1:28:10 may not be very impressive this is often the case when people take on a radical diet like on opposite And the big problem in science and medicine is that we don't believe in the mind. When we observe a change in a physical system, the dogma is the cause has to be physical. Yeah. in certain brain centers. The ability to turn that on and off consciously and willingly is tricky.

1:31:05 Explain Lord. Yeah, I have heard that. But the power is not in the place. Guided imagery. there more study done to try or more thought and more more people that are trying to emphasize People always say that, but it still works. It's just that we're so flawed in our approach. Especially not in how to manage the body with the mind. and a positive way of interfacing with reality that's beneficial to you physically, mentally, spiritually?

1:35:05 With all these human beings and essentially most of them trying to improve in some way. look, we are going to teach you how to better engage with the material world Yeah, that makes sense, which is why people love user testimonials. of people that were just like it's okay i just do it like i don't hate it but i don't love it That has to have a profound effect on all aspects of your life, right?

1:37:49 Help all these people. When you were doing those studies in the 1960s and you thought that marijuana was going to Medicine has really – it's one of the things that's most leveled the playing field between doctors and patients. could know everything true i mean especially doctors they must know that they have a specialty for a reason because various specialists?

1:39:47 really messed up. If you're How are you eating? Drinking? Smoking a first session. That's got to be nice. You know, there's been studies on the amount of time in a medical encounter when a patient I use the same number of people that are happy with what they do. Exactly. going to go after the show and eat. Oh, I'm in Pasadena tonight. All right. I'm at the Ice House

1:41:33 conforms to good It's very delicious food. And a lot of people think you have to eat fried chicken. First of all, I try to grow a lot of my own food. I do 16 and 8. Even then To wait until noon Maybe a little bit more than that. you know pizza crispy cream yeah exactly yeah i think um there's protocols in terms of like Fucking bell. Yeah. Do you exercise?

1:44:32 Like, God, I can't work out without food. No problem with it. Now, why did you get off the pot you know And I think I changed. My body changed. I just don't like the effect. That'd be funny. Because have you done the tank at all? Then it kicks in when you're on the plane. at high doses yeah why are they making that stuff so strong we're half a grain of rice unnecessary

1:48:21 Huh. meditative you know chopping vegetables working with knives and uh that's very meditative for me Like you're a guy who's teaching people how to live a more productive, healthier life. but i've had i've had friends who I wonder if taking it from the root, I wonder if they're getting the exact same experience as they're getting in these clinics.

1:50:55 Yeah. There are Yep That you've shared I will. If you go to matcha.com forward slash pages forward slash Joe Rogan,