Joe Rogan Experience #1215 — Ben O'Brien Transcript

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0:00 Jamie, 3, 2, 1. Was this beverage concocted by you when you were the first one? He was definitely there. You look good, too. Yeah. Juggernaut of outdoor activities. No. Friendship at first Mike Hockridge As like the most fun That's why And then you know Was fantastic I don't know. remember that we went Like just killed. kind of get good whiskey now i understand whiskey sort of but being irish it's just like it's all

3:31 George Clooney tequila can suck a fat dick It's number one? Number one. Numero one. Tequila. And good intentions. illegal medical they made medical legal and then they voted it out. Well. Just to keep people like me out of Bozeman. We're in a safe space. It's a terrible place. steals lawnmowers. He'll just Look at that. That's Bozeman. it's like. it's like White Walkers.

6:23 about three weeks ago there Oh I'd heard about this In a storage unit Listen, Airport North Storage, it's time for me to tell the truth. But I did it anyway. Yeah, you camp out there. That ain't really going down. There's a lot of these technology companies. I was going to ask if you heard the big storage unit story from the other day that had $7.5 million

8:32 and he made a deal with them. Look at his face. Seven and a half. If someone lost $7 million, He's just a straight-up murderer. Like the dude from Breaking Bad Well, I fucked it up for you. What's the guy who stars in that? them all. Are you ready? ready Listen let me ask you a question Like the stink eye The musical unbreakable kimmy schmidt okay so i can't be talking about manly things or non-manly things

11:27 But if you put on Dora the Explorer and then you switch it over to that bullshit, And, like, it's entertaining, but sometimes I need a break. And it's, what's the other, the show with Anthony Hopkins on HBO? Especially the one in Nepal where you almost died and you saw children and wolves. Right. And this guy, like, tied this hooker up and threw her off a cliff and shit.

13:54 It wasn't anywhere near like it is in the modern day. that but what i'm saying is like if that was out today it would be a 100 stand-up special There's many CSIs. But it explores some unthinkable things awful things awful things Why did we go not good enough? But if you did do that and looked at all the different categories, transported like listen this isn't real so i can i can do this right i can have this scene of of

17:06 Nothing wrong with it. some people are, nonsense? Why? so parallels to real life and then these these ridiculous fantasies but then these parallels to when I was a kid. When I was a kid, if there was Spins a web any size. That was a little bit. doing? Who's that guy? I mean, just hurls himself through the air and sticks to buildings. when I was a kid.

20:34 People were shocked It was one of those things. But they got to Ben Affleck and they went, no, player. The difference between Michael Keaton is there was no one before him other than Bruce Wayne, Dude, him as Doc Holliday. Probably still the most quoted. He's done so many great things. Is it Jiggly? I think it was Jiggly. Some people get diabetes, right?

22:50 I mean, it would be hard to argue with that fact. It's like having a Pinto with a fucking Corvette ZR1 engine stuffed on the hood. Is that why these Hollywood relationships always become huge and then go away? They've been together for a long time. That's right. Alex Rodriguez. The size of that guy's paw. that's left. She's had a few. But that's all that's left.

25:04 But when Ben Affleck was Ben Affleck I don't know what how his relationship Like The Rock They could do that Yeah out of the well the well's dry it's like if they try to make another hulk people know enough you've You can't just do that George Lucas is right now bathing in money. What is that? Black Adam. It's a DC. Oh, It's going to be coming out or start shooting next year. What is that? It's a black Adam.

26:53 Look, there he is right in the background. with Luke Cage it's a great movie smash hit conservative traditionalist right yeah and there's the more progressive folks that you have met and been around. I'd like to support that. So then change the way these lands are scheduled scheduled like what it's under yeah i mean there's a lot of those are around monuments of course that

29:26 conversations with people unless you absolutely know that the person's going to be objective These are different things. That's happened many times. Of course. healthy ways to mine copper or or there are ways i don't know there is i mean there's responsible ways to do that but at what you know at what cost you're still you're still extracting right you're

32:15 watching some aspects of it like when they're lighting their water on fire and then someone You're saying those are not connected. You would have to have been working either no way that anyone could argue, right? And the other side says, had a big ad on the internet You're being absolutely inflammatory. Thank you, Ben. And so then it becomes, the problem I have and why that kind of that t-shirt exists,

36:41 these 10 monuments he cuts out eight of them and hones in on necessary. Some would say again, it comes to both sides. They would say shrink down these monuments so that they can then go companies that are can then go and lease these places for mining but they can't currently do under protections as a national monument or there was something let's look that up but there's some leases that were that were approved

38:59 but to me, the bottom line is something like that, And everybody's making it look like the government stole your land. resource extraction and that's what scares the shit out of people yeah so like there's there's this two there in these situations there always seems to be spin on both sides and being a part Don't leave it to the states. You got to leave it to the federal government. Don't leave it to the states.

40:38 They should be able to vote in. can't camp there anymore you can't and by the way that's your fucking land and not just taxes not That, so Senator Mike Lee comes out and says, right, this is like the perfect, to like the semantics and the spin barely walk, if they are in a feel like, oh man, this is an illicit place. As somebody who's gone into the wilderness and tackled these big challenges

44:08 get some trekking poles, Well, you know how the surface of Mars is. It g the wheels it's red it's definitely red how many people are going when i think of my hunting now like we first went hunting like five or six years ago you would ask Oh, you're a beautiful person. I'm Irish. way to get meat so your skills that you acquired as a hunter made you important to the culture the

46:53 That brings places for my son to go and experience these things. And as he was taking me up, this is just something that people do and if you don't put a put a line you don't draw a line we're have roads and don't have houses. Like, yeah, Fly over 100, 200 years ago. Let's see what you saw. places and live so removed from wilderness so removed from wilderness, so removed from sustainability.

49:03 I don't know. disney like walt disney's a nice man but bambi was not a good thing for our our collective psyche He had a picnic basket. That is real. I read this on the way over here. There he is I don't care. hundred deer head off you piece of shit yeah i'm i fucking look forward to eating deer and you shot All right. He's still killing animals. He's a piece of shit.

52:41 it's like, oh, somebody killed a giraffe, or somebody, Probably from one of the folks. Yeah, I think he knew. because he actually studied a baboon tribe that the um alpha really really quite fascinating yeah but um baboons for the most part i mean maybe he shot the nicest baboons ever but ph he was like if you see a baboon shoot it he's like we have we have lots of irrigation here to

56:26 I mean, it's a good thing for this. It was quite a few years ago but he said it But doesn't that come down to like the core of some of these? That lion and that baboon. That is a crazy beast. guy killing all these these baboons what do we say when there's a hunting scandal yeah let that one The Cecil thing, it's a normal thing. I don't think you should just go over there and shoot lions.

59:54 have to yes okay this is what overpopulation looks like you you put a trap in your fucking garage But it's a different thing. Because they're overpopulated. And that this is how the bubonic plague got spread. It's a primary source of food for a lot of these flying raptors, plenty of food this is great we treat all types of animals very differently right and and we apply our own

1:02:29 it's it's not that these animals are bad they should be respected and understood and appreciated And they'll just devastate landscapes. We were reading about it, about the overpopulation. I can't remember the guy's name, but I was reading this paper. Pull it up just so I can see it. Yeah, these are all kangaroos. Is our, like, the endangered species has come into play here in a weird way, because is our caring for animals dictated by the number of the animal that there is?

1:04:21 It's air conditioned. This is basically a ranch. he was riding around his job was to ride around and shoot rabbits all night long every day seven days a But we met this guy whose job it was to, with impunity, That is a crazy spot. Yeah, what about New Zealand? Invasive species, a number introduced By the way, a fucking pet rabbit, okay? Ooh, delicious.

1:07:03 He was talking about three types of hunting. It's eating a nested bird. a rat it's eating a rat that's like his size. That's the Tasmanian tiger. He's a merc in the jeans and stuff. Terrific level of carnivorous. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Should we do the play by play on this show In my time outside What a ruthless little Look at this one Just let some pass by Oh he's going low How about the other rabbit tried to stop him. That's like Captain Savoho over there. Look at this one.

1:09:38 Oh, now he goes. He's going to get the neck No he's going What's going on Not even going to help your friend. That's amazing. You fucking asshole. No, but a U would be stout. trying to take you down that should be the american animal not an eagle i know weasels even the way that that um the weasel was chasing the rabbit was kind of cute like he was just bounded along

1:12:16 If an animal is wounded, and say you're up in a tree stand clearly been wounded clearly struggling you know in the You're putting in every year to try to get a tag. Like there's some places that are called over the counter. Yes. I think of trophies as a lot of different things. But along the way. that's clearly suffering clearly injured who knows how got injured. It's limping up to a water hole.

1:15:54 end its quote unquote suffering. You don't know. We can't talk to the animal and ask it you don't get to eat an antelope yeah or you're presented with this opportunity to be merciful But this is unique to the hunter's responsibility back there's another podcast i did with a guy named dushan smitana and he uh is this his real The most interesting man in the world.

1:18:22 He kills a lamb every year and feeds everyone a soda. a reverence around a hunter because that hunter got the privilege in his culture to be the judge and jury for right you could just go out and do it and one of the things that i've found out about hunting I love fishing. It's not the same. And you spark that up when you get a big steelhead on the line.

1:21:36 that it walked four yards yeah and i'm not exaggerating four yards and fell over it was dead Well, like you've had Michael Pollan on the show before. Fat people are poor people in this country, which is fucked. And this doesn't mean that there's not a lot of malnutrition. It's so easy. Was more normal Get a roast Or your uncle Yeah. That is who it was.

1:24:22 But that's my grandparents. we always talk about in hunting, of things like the whitetail deer and the buffalo, as we all famously love. The market hunting means that they're out hunting for marketing the meat or marketing the hides but white-tailed deer, mallard duck, wild turkey. We're looking at a photograph of like so many fucking animals just hanging from these. Ducks there.

1:26:20 Those are all ducks. At the time, you know, at the turn of the century, when at the height of the market hunting crisis in this country, there were enough whitetail deer that they probably would have been on the endangered species list or been close. conservation movement. it. a way that the user would pay for this conservation. wrote it down and said this is what it is but pull it if you could pull up the

1:29:35 We don't. Okay, that's just a fact. asks you like hey hey dude what's hunting you say hunting in the north american model is the There's laws, right? The science of when you talk to wildlife biologists about this. Keep fighting that CWD fight over there. and maintaining the populations of animals keeping We are using science and biology to dictate the way in which hunting is used to benefit these populations.

1:33:10 It does, but what does that mean is where it gets weird with people. He has not. You say you hear tell, but you have had it. You always said it's superb. issue you have a problem with someone killing something that will fucking for sure kill you So you kill this thing that's better than you. But let's be devil's advocate. Oh, wow, great idea. Legitimate purpose, right? Baiting bears. I read a thing. Do you want to keep that down for the light is that what it is oh so just put it back up when we need we'll get to it um there's i've read us i've read

1:36:25 that in comparison to other ways of hunting right but at the same time i can say i can tell you this I know how big the bear is. There's a lot of problems with what seems to be a fair way to achieve the pursuit of that animal there's a ton know you're there rather than doing it from further away or having to stalk close to it. it's better for the whole population of bears because they eat bears.

1:39:49 No matter how many times we name a bear, it doesn't change the bareness of the animal. me can tell you exactly what's happening there but we know you and i both know that they're killing a complex thing that we're doing right we're going into a wild place and removing from it something trees you could go hunt a deer if you only only did one certain thing, you could hunt a rabbit.

1:41:55 So I think what most non-hunters want from hunters, because for me, I don't think about anti-hunters as much as I think about somebody who just is smart, thoughtful, has never been, you were this way at some point. and we're doing our best to unpack the moral and ethical entanglements in what we do. So these things are just entangled. same reason yeah so they get a close-up ethical shot

1:43:56 And maybe I'm just making it harder for myself. When they eat meat, it makes sense. That's right And if you do like to eat moose And the reason why they're there is so those fucking deer don't look like those kangaroo this objectively yeah you got to be pragmatic yes have to and you have to be honest and i think the pragmatic arguments for hunting like to try to examine like the emotional issues we have around

1:46:47 Put that person in front of me, I'm a hunter, start at the same point Yes. say the non-hunter. and be like, remember when we started out thinking we all value these animals, important difference you want to kill animals and eat them they don't think you should be I would say I'm telling you that by taking the lives of these few animals, and eating corn and doing the things you're doing right but they're not directly killing them by

1:50:41 rabbits and all sorts of shit that just got ground up and anything else that gets stuck yeah in that field as those gigantic machines come whirring by and that's I like how you switch from devil's advocate to, like, you want to eat some wild plants, I guarantee you some dead fucking squirrels and rats and pigeons and do the thing that I know to be enriching to my life, to make me a better person, to make me a more skilled person, to give me more perspective on the world. But at the end of the

1:52:55 I feel what you're saying, and I see what you're trying to do. all the time? but you don't. Moby has a wonderful Instagram page. thing. It says, eggs cannot legally be labeled as healthy, nutritious, or safe to eat. I don't know why you posted that, Moby. Even with safety steps in place, it is estimated that about one in 20,000 or one in 10,000 Right.

1:55:16 How many people per year get salmonella from eggs? 142,000 people in the United States are infected each year with salmonella from chicken eggs. I don't have any egg-related arguments. Maybe it's different in 2018 From chicken eggs It's just a joke. But this is a problem. By the way if you eat chicken raw you get salmonella too stupid carotenoids. The egg is a

1:57:26 Somebody gets salmonella. Anti-corn. You're right about eggs are dangerous, bro. infections occur each year in the united states of e-coli wow 36 percent are caused by e-coli 015 7.87 dude it's almost all from animal agriculture it's almost all from uh from shit from shit water Google this. You're better at this than me. Yeah, I'm trying to be vegan.

1:59:39 to acquire E. coli infection is by Celery. He's like, I don't want that hard lettuce. Listen, I would say to you, Joe Rogan, vegan, you're a very handsome man. I got some shit I grow. Me too. I have definitely still bought meat from the store. It's better for you. Spirit of the wild. Remember, we would like – I used to get assigned to the Ted Nugent talk that he gave at the NRA annual meetings. Like I was a writer for the NRA and like worked for the digital

2:02:25 in fact that I hooked him up with of rock and roll run down but then we went out in the crowd he came on stage and he looked like a 25 year old rock guy yeah he fucking he's a hard-working man yeah i mean when when the time We're worried that we would ever exhibit that sort of reprehensible behavior or language. are saying this person thinks this and had you seen that instagram post i don't believe in that

2:05:04 And, like, I would hope the folks that know me would know that, like, this is a mistake. For us. Should I be on this podcast right now and have said something in the last couple hours that was terrible? and slippery slope to get down They fucked up And I feel like the long-form conversation is the only way to get to know somebody. three hours with somebody and just talk and exchange ideas and disagree and agree.

2:06:37 It's really, it's very, I mean, I don't mean just through podcasts. Who better than you to say that and be like, this has informed the way that I think, the way that it's impacted our society and our culture, this show. Or this girl's an asshole, or whatever my convenient perceptions of people. I find that a lot of them are based on these brief interactions.

2:08:05 conversation you can't say like hey i gotta go now yeah um i'm i'm out of my depth all the things i and the whole world gets to watch their fucked up dysfunctional relationship guy does something douchey or the girl does something cunty or whatever the fuck it is and fucking weird and open because i'm getting yeah it's great idea i'm in favor of people drinking

2:10:26 Hashtag RyBrain. People who fight should just break up. my family they're wonderful people i love them but like i want to sustain this i have a great your awareness You're having children. all those things. It goes down hard. and it's not fun. He's been married to a new one for 12. sense we're not talking about a woman who is like 80 years old and can't work anymore either

2:13:33 Yeah. Love you, honey. But my challenge right now is I think about life i'm like i got this wonderful this is all it makes sense that the woman would want to lock things in But he sees it too. When you have a disgusting troglodyte type, you know, just gelatinous looking, job of Doubt it like a motherfucker. vagina on an intermittent basis if she could be bathed in diamonds and drive a ferrari and live

2:16:52 You can't even jerk them off That's fine. imagine if loads smell like sulfur like jesus the devil's coming out of you boy Maybe it's long form conversations, having long conversations with each other. just don't man and this is we've all seen that happen right we've all seen relationships where Look, relationships don't always work. I hope I'm a better person.

2:20:02 a spouse male or female that just shits on you We're pro-nuance. you know i'm looking back to but also looking forward to because that's what defines very very fortunate yeah very fortunate and i and It's very fortunate. And me being able to later on in life see how fortunate I was to have that drove me to not fail I don't know why I say it like that.

2:22:50 I came from the same place they did, the same environment, the same friends, generalize in any way about you know any one situation my situation was that i could always That's interesting because they did a great job then. But that could just be you just trying to have a good time yeah yeah no but there was a time in my life there was work in your in their life you're probably going to set them up for some kind of failure. I was extremely fortunate that I found martial arts while I was at my biggest

2:25:45 And there was a real possibility of that. guy look and i gotta go the other way because i'm scared i just didn't want to be that i didn't want as well as externally yeah but you say like all the time, say pressure creates diamonds, right? Yeah. And in my case, I realized that I didn't – Yeah, but it's like I had the opportunity to do that, probably let me live there in their basement for as long as I want. There's a lot of guys right now that can relate. Right. Yeah.

2:28:02 And I felt that what I'd been given was significant enough to my life that I owed it I owed it something I owed it to drive toward as it is problematic in the way that's presented in society in the way that that um people see it difficult it's incredibly difficult and the people that you meet are not just disciplined but they're And that, to a lot of people, they're like, wait, what are you talking about?

2:30:34 if you're going to be successful cam ains represents the physically fit hunter and that's a layer that You have to know so much. Yeah. What are the possibilities you're going to run into the same scenario over and over and And I've had all these situations where the arrow has landed in a place I didn't mean it to. i did that and i it was my fault i got lazy

2:32:48 We've talked about this many times, but target panic. Don't fuck this up. your mind to be successful because at some level you have to right it has to be an important motion for pool, I think Steve Rinella probably said it at some point, or you did, or somebody really smart did. that because i always ask myself like some really key questions like why is killing gratifying

2:35:51 Yeah, and I made this post on social media yesterday around like... I was talking about this about we're going to try to write an article just killed is no new thing to us. and it's been weaponized Have you ever had him on here? would buy stock in it i mean it there's less people doing it it's less relevant to society I remember going to my first trade shows as a kid, and people would have flip books of grip and grins were like i remember going to like my first trade shows as a kid or and people

2:38:42 hunting and let me damn this person for this photo and so with that lady with the goat recently yeah invasive species yeah on an island where she could have been just having a great time what if there's a photo with me with a bloody dildo you Which is even more... Okay. Okay. Oh, really recent. Another dead animal on British soil. Yeah. In the context of. context her husband said listen if you do shoot one this is what you have to do yeah

2:41:30 Sort of was rude and arrogant throughout the trip. Okay. Well, that sounds like two chicks didn't get along. Oh, was on the trip with her. One of the women on the trip. Okay. A complete show of disrespect to the animal she has just killed. gets upset every time um i did not know about that though. Now, go hunting. Every hunter, there's 11 million hunters, they have a chance to impact the

2:43:59 all like i could slide it across the table to you or text it to you and you would say cool man It's not real. to ask me today i would say i would probably not give anybody the chance to misrepresent my shit Yeah. I think for anybody who's listened to this three-hour conversation and sort of gets an understanding of where we're coming from, giraffe one that giraffe

2:46:42 and they made it out like it was this rare giraffe never been to that part of africa i don't know that person but just to look at that i feel the And she had a piece of leaf. He enjoys getting angry at people, but in his defense, Some fat guy wants to fly to Africa and shoot an elephant hunting concessions get closed down and then these animals go wild and

2:49:32 let's put a fence around our stuff to keep poachers out and keep the animals in. I'll probably never go back over there because there's just so many things in North America I'd like to pursue. But it's something I was involved in. And nobody can really argue the end result of the thing. You would like to think that people hunting zebras don't help, but they do.

2:51:31 a lion it costs like fifty thousand dollars as much as you find lion hunting distasteful and you have to be prepared when humans get attacked by animals which is gonna fucking they had to pay someone to go and shoot these lions because their their population had gotten It sucks. skewed in some way for me but i think that's what i heard and that could be a lot of black bears right that invade into i think this is this was all grizzly bears that had either been hit by cars

2:54:37 these tax dollars, and they hire a guy with dogs to go catch these fucking cats and kill but shit dude. it's a solid one it's a solid one let's wrap this bitch up see ya ben o'brien i'm glad we did this