Joe Rogan Experience #1226 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 4, 3, 2, 1, Mr. Baker, how are you? And we're starting the main filming in February and should be finished by the end of March. Well, there's going to be some of that. So the Defense Department gets a certain budget. You know, hopefully people tune in and find it interesting. I do. But we've been working hard, and the producers have been working very hard to get excellent access where possible and get cooperation where possible.

3:20 them to cooperate on on certain again declassified operations that just haven't come to light. keep it pretty much at that you're talking this insane amount of money in research and development and the things were a little bit easier back then, and we weren't all pissing on each other up on Capitol That's always the people on the outside, folks like myself.

5:43 a tv show or something but it's something. But it's not unlike that. the military, they've been enormously creative over the years in developing new technologies I mean, if you – it really is. It's like the takedown of Bin Laden. in the community like you talk to the other seals they're like you don't you don't do that right you know, started revisiting history while it was their watch, and coming up with, you

9:02 Because it gets a bunch of people that are really interested in becoming a CEO. But at the same time, you know, you sign a piece of paper at the very beginning that says you're going to keep your yap shut. But again, you're right. Yeah, I think the old school guys, the old school operators out of the teams are definitely like, just shut your pie hole.

11:22 I didn't even think about it until the Dick Marchenko books came out. They dress normal and go out and invade. Yeah. out, I'll write a book because what I'm doing is pretty damn interesting. And there's no laws What does it say, basically? an entire front page article You know, I think because, I don't know. Yeah. a lot of things we can do for them in terms of gathering information, preventing them from making

15:19 look, I hate to quote Trump, but he's like parrots that fake news term over and over again. Yeah. And part of it is that they're just crap at messaging. Part of it They just don't know what to not say. congressmen and congresswomen or senators, all in the rush to get in front of the camera to talk What is the attitude now with this administration, like what they're doing with – the way he attacks the FBI and the way – it just seems so reckless.

18:25 is terrible. And they just say, you're just hating life because there's not... I don't find that. I People are going to say I'm just saying this because I'm subjective and I'm providing top cover for the agency. Yeah. And we've got roughly 2,000 personnel in Syria. But, yeah, there was just a routine patrol. We've left that to our allies. We're the only thing, our presence, that small presence, you know, not minimizing it, but

23:36 from the Bush administration. Stop saying things like that. So we can keep an eye on what they're planning, what they're doing. we were going to turn the tide of history and create some pseudo-federal democracy there. They just find a way to adapt. commitment in our agreement with them well is is it in our national interest, it's in the best interest of our commitment and our agreement with them.

27:18 It's not going to happen unless we want to go to war with Russia to kick them out of Syria. We can operate from forward bases in other locations where we're currently based. stay yeah and we stand for something yeah so what's the benefit of getting out like the people Right. They'll come after us. you know having dealt with that issue uh two and a half decades ago a long time ago with the turks

31:14 You would like to think that they're having conversations like this up on Capitol Hill between the parties, Republicans and the Dems, but I don't think they are. campaigning and they say, you know, them as they're running for president. You get some access, right? yeah she had yeah she she was you know very switched on very informed um you know she was

33:19 bidding. And they honestly, honestly believe that. And nothing is going to shift them off that position. Everybody's talked about that. That prevents them from having any sort of conversation, any sort of rational discussion that could lead to some compromise that could then advance the ball and make this government more functional. block it's It's chaos.

35:00 I don't know the exact numbers, but think about all the contractors. They understand that. And the Democrats, you know, talk about it every minute about how this is a terrible crisis. Yeah, that's okay. Build a wall. It's like he uncovered a rock. about them all being losers and alcoholics yeah yeah illiterate. And I'm like, man, you're talking about half the country.

38:18 But every day, another tweet that seems a little dysfunctional every day, some misstep every day, some self-inflicted wound. very critical because if the democrats win and somehow or another he abandons his idea for a wall feeling that, look, he's asking for whatever $5.7 billion. In the scheme of things, that's a drop in Who knows? It's usually not just mules, individuals carting it across some broken part of the border.

41:06 I think it was 2012 when he started as president. Look, we were the ones who tracked him down, you know, even though he escaped, you know, 48 times or whatever he escaped. Jesus Christ, if $100 million didn't get you free? It seems like a lot of cash. Yeah. own that house? What? Where did she get her money from? Wouldn't it be? It's all her good work she did with the Clinton Foundation.

44:29 Not enough to keep Laura Loomer's not an athlete. I know she did that, too. On one network or another. if you want to be right? Nobody wants to hear from anybody in the middle because that shit's not picking up the ratings Someone's like, God, surely there's got to be a reasonable middle. So everybody's looking at this right now and thinking, you know, where does it go?

46:45 problems, but we didn't need to add to the noise. John Stossel had an interesting video that he put out where he's saying what this does actually highlight is that there's a lot of things that They're going to do that regardless. Get on with it. It doesn't make any sense. talks about decisions are made by that small group in the center so at what point did the group in

49:13 I believe it was a half an hour on national television. See? That's all Yeah. the cyber issue too, on their theft of intellectual property. So anyway, Huawei, She was arrested up in Canada and she was arrested at the request of the US. I would never let the Chinese authorities tell me what to do, The Chinese don't operate that way. And they're basically the most important foreign relationship now, corporation inside of Poland.

53:55 This tariff thing is a bad idea. Because, you know, the fact that we're tied in with our allies, with Poland and with Canada in your communications um infrastructure that gives them the ability then to uh in in a simple He needs to get one – just click on that email. And it's all very well mapped out. So they just changed the way that they did it. It's just not happening.

58:05 sort of a way that they could tap in? Wow that was ever four years ago now we're being software right right right overspun them, they heated it up, broke. But that's a concern. out if it's nonsense or not. carryover from the old days of, you know, optical readers and how, you know, we all thought it was It's always listening. So, a regular phone that you get, if you just buy an iPhone and you have Siri turned on so you can say, hey, Siri, and it turns on, that phone is always listening to you.

1:03:09 and then they're sending them information to these companies, I'm in the same situation I'm fucking inundated with Toyota mentions People would just live with it but that's not who's fucking making Lawmakers want them to stop selling that information. But look, they do these things now where there's a billboard. And that was the old days. pedestrian traffic,

1:05:34 so this you walk up to a phone that's in the photo you hold your phone up to it it sends a And it has to be to some degree because there has to be an exchange of sort of a handshake. And it was a little clumsy, but it got better and better as you go along. They've all got some kind of signature. before the show Oh, my God. A lot of stuff. What do you think?

1:08:07 Yeah. And they were just sort of like giving both their sides of like what he could know, There was that whole stink at one point about what they were actually holding on to, right, the collection of information. i mean technology now is i mean i remember the old days of of operations right i mean if we wanted you start getting mountains of tapes right and you're not getting it real time, which is a problem. But nowadays, no, it's entirely different. But I think, you know,

1:11:17 Well, I tell you what we should be worried about mostly is state-sponsored activity by countries whose interests almost never align with ours. So where are they putting all their resources? But they talk about this. And if you do that, then what does that mean? Right. What's the threshold? They're a much bigger concern than russia is But Russia's only interest there was maintaining their leverage and increasing it and not losing their military foothold there.

1:15:30 There are certain things that are going on that you should be willing to say that, okay, that makes sense. effects of their theft of intellectual property. This is why, in part, they've been successful in It doesn't seem to light any bulbs over here. Yeah, no, you're right. others um yeah he's just more in your face he's like tony soprano right and so you can look at or the FSB's attacks overseas against dissidents and others.

1:18:00 I think we should be trading with China. is because of that it's because he's he he would love to rebuild the Soviet Union. And so we shouldn't be surprised by any sort of aggressive move that he makes against his neighbors and we should always push back. and you've got to be held accountable. But I haven't strapped on my tinfoil hat yet to get to that point.

1:20:58 going to challenge him from the republican side and on the democratic side i think they're going Look, they're talking about Joe Biden. idea that they've got compromising information on him um here's uh here's what i think is that if muller has figured this out right and he's been quiet about it and then then the most remarkable And my reason for saying that is because I've never known Washington not be able to keep or to be able to keep a secret.

1:22:57 And it's absolutely correct to let him go with this and just let him finish it up. Why do you think he's going to wrap it up? Right. Yeah. It's a good question. One of the things that she said in one of the more recent interviews, I'd like to be president. I'd like to be president. You can't. to give it one more shot. Tulsi Gabbard is a veteran, young, makes a lot of sense, very smart and articulate.

1:26:09 You know, I think it would actually, you know, I think it would turn the ship in a nice direction, right, as long as the policies are good. That's a good question. Yeah, that's a great example. Yeah. and do something productive. And it's not just – we can't be like a nation of people following a hula girl on the dashboard of my truck, which is getting a new engine, by the way,

1:29:18 I can drive to the drive-in theater, and they put a mattress in the back. I have. and decide that that sucks? through anything, but it's, it's just a great car. It's all good. But- Just kidding. I've been meaning to get that fixed. Nobody's tracking me in that son of a bitch. A burner phone at 7-Eleven. Like I said, my kids love it. Yeah. McCaskill?

1:32:22 They made some jokes about things. Yeah, absolutely. if they put something in your car like we were talking about if you could get a hold of this Not the Woody, as we call it. That's a handshake operation. It's just another iteration of the exchange of information, right? Of course. I think I've been misunderstood. And you meet her at the old hotel, motel, holiday inn.

1:35:47 happens unless maybe she maybe meaning mrs bezos maybe she hired a uh you know some dodgy All right. But, you know, whatever. Yeah. Does he have to buy a smaller ring for his mistress? There you go. The new one. It's all going to be very amicable. They're patient wolves. Probably hired a personal trainer too. But he has no prenup agreement. She's hot, though.

1:38:21 He's a handsome man. Not him, too. I'll bet she really wants to see my ball sack. Lauren Sanchez has been in a romantic relationship with Jeff Bezos. Wow. whose reporting, I understand, He wants Bezos to not have Probably. Take a little time off is what you're saying. That is true. Cash out, too. No. I'm good. I'm nice I'm gonna give you guys By the way

1:41:37 Yeah Like Jeff Bezos I didn't know that. By the way, I did not say it at the outset, but I should say it. It was fun. I mean, for people listening, it was a massive, it's the Taco Bell Arena, which is the best That was my first time ever going there, and I was blown away. saying it's the fastest growing city in the country. looking at it. But we had a coyote in our neighborhood for quite a while.

1:43:46 Yeah. Place to go. We'll pave the way. There are some unheralded spots in this country My oldest boy, Scooter, has really gotten into fly fishing, and he's got a great mindset for it. You guys have basically all the wildlife activities or all the outdoor activities in Idaho. I mean, we jump on our bikes. Don't talk about that. I don't know why I'm being, yeah.

1:46:21 him to cut and paste faster or something but so i I could think of was food, right? Like my retriever. He's food motivated, my dog. And so I'm figuring Muggsy's the same way. You give him a cupcake and he'll finish that assignment. So I had no idea. I was really stymied because I think, I know we all all you know i mean our kids are you know like everybody

1:47:13 And my wife was like, get the fuck out of here with that You can't delay that part of it. know my 10 year old sometimes she cries she's got so much homework she's like we're all day to school Gymnastics and a bunch of other shit too. okay no you work hard yeah what do you think i kind of work hard it's because I'm in there and I kind of work hard no you work hard

1:49:00 podcasting definitely a fake job So what I do is I develop an act for a year, I tour with it for a year, Sometimes one night a bit kills, I don't want to do it anymore. I'll fit that in there. club or just take it to clubs yeah i go to the ice house and the comedy store and the improv and i i the Boise thing was like 11,000 people. If you crush in front of 11,000 people, that feeling is

1:51:55 Yeah, what is it, like 10 bucks? Like, if you want to just waste your life and sit in front of the TV, it's crazy. I mean, yes, it is, but then doesn't that open the door for the people that aren't going to be like that? or something. It was on the plane flying to L.A. Eighty percent of the families that use the Los Angeles public school system are at the poverty level or below.

1:54:26 So I meant to look into it and do more research to see whether the article was actually correct or not. school and it's even worse in a place like new york city public schools so i guess the point They don't have guidance. Smart place to live. The cost of housing. Like they felt like someone owed them that money. I'm thinking, hey, that's good. You know, if I'm smart about it.

1:57:53 And I'm thinking, I spent almost all my life over in shitholes around the world. but life's not supposed to be fair it's not what's maybe it's supposed to be fair but it's not fair But I think also that there's parts of it that need to be looked at. It's like special operators, right? You make it – okay, well, not enough of them could get through the course.

2:00:52 I think they're catching it late in the chain. first through all the way up to high school. And that's okay. And the honest to God answer is no. But he's got a great job. But anyway, what do I know? Right. Okay, fine. but it's true to not be in debt is gigantic. Look, they're giving kids credit cards, and their frontal lobes aren't even developed yet.

2:04:45 What do you got here, Jamie? Oh. Look at that. That is an insane amount of money Holy shit. Look at that. Look at that. Oh, auto loans. And again, can the country pay for it? person supposed to be in the director of all these various aspects of our world? Previous administration, there were a lot of people that was convinced he could understand anything.

2:07:41 primaries and all those things. He seems to be just like a fucking water on a duck's back. We were down in Little Rock. Because I always liked the guy, right? of about this particular incident. And he was kind of curious, and he wanted to, you know, question that leads you to the point where you go oh that's a pretty fucked up situation now I mean, because like the previous administration, you know, a lot of good points, but some bad points. One of the bad points was sort of the hamstring of industry through overregulation on everything.

2:11:28 What does that mean? you could say but what do you think about the jfk case do you think that lee harvey oswald acted Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone. the reason he was doing it was for the greater good of communism and to boost his image with the Soviets and with the Cuban regime. So that part of it and his motivation and his past ties to the Soviets, do I think the Soviets were pulling the trigger on it?

2:15:02 He was a mess, right? that's the one that more than any others that I've looked at, you know, I need to go look into that now, especially if you think that something was going on. For a show, a series where we did a kind of investigative look into this. No. but it was, again, it was that behavior leading up to it. You should look into it, and we'll talk about it next time.

2:18:29 America Declassified, they're looking into conspiracies. Yeah. The magic bullet. That bullet drives me crazy. It's bullshit. And nobody wants to think that something that bad, that horrific, and that something that could sort of shatter the country in that fashion could be done by one guy like Lee Harvey Oswald. Not for good. Yeah. It's that old idea. Oh, he's done his time. He's done his time, yeah. simon you shot the president get the fuck out of here it's like what is wrong with people yeah

2:20:55 And he's a former operator who knows his shit. so it's clear he knows what he's talking about. Thanks, man. Thank you.