Joe Rogan Experience #1235 — Ben Greenfield Transcript

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0:00 four three two one hello ben hello what's up buddy there's a discrepancy my my coffee is way way Dude thank you so much I would probably be Freaking amazing I thought you were going to do it for a certain amount of time and test it. Is it a micro? So what the TMAO is, is that's going to be present if you aren't getting enough fiber Like a cat. And then there's a bunch of people that are, you know, it's interesting because you've got to, there's a disparity between the anecdotal accounts of health and well-being and then blood work.

3:29 stuff on it but the anecdotal evidence is amazing it's like it's really weird like uh my friend It's like an autoimmune diet. So you've got a bread that's lower in a glycemic index, I mean, it takes freaking 24 hours to, diet or an autoimmune diet for eight weeks or 12 weeks, something like the carnivore diet, heal the gut, and then return back to a more all-inclusive eating pattern that allows you to eat dairy, wheat, plants, etc., all these things that would normally damage the gut if the gut is actually leaky.

6:22 Those all went away, Depression, that went away. and commercial dairy or, or unfermented soy or any of these things that can actually damage the of all that stuff, you introduce the carnivore diet, He's powerlifting and has been doing that basically his whole life. until you are actually doing something with that diet, And I don't think we talked about this on the last show,

9:42 acids and DHA, which we know can protect against those disorders. higher than normal risk for colon cancer, would that affect people that live in Seattle, the Pacific Northwest that are dealing with constant to keep your mood up. raced the iron man and they they'd have that in lake quarter lane it's an iconic race just because That is insane. from the lake is it similar i i don't know i don't know but if i if i went to cordelaine i spent a

13:03 So you wind up getting a deeper sweat. You sweat for a longer time. You can stay in there longer because it's not quite as hot. That's why I use a dry sauna as per Rhonda Patrick's recommendation. Like when I'm in that, I'm fucking drenched. yoga in there when i go in there at night actually like i was telling you we're talking about those I know Winklejohn's gym.

15:30 I think it's called fit spa, something like that. four person infrared sauna that you can get into an exercise. You can, you can have more people almost like a Traeger grill, for example. look at that thing yeah and it heats up the same way there's some sort of a power source attached cryotherapy yeah they've got a cryotherapy chamber they've got they've got somebody works it they

18:23 pumping cold water through the And when you finish and you take those cuffs off you get this amplification in growth hormone that. Yeah. Although a lot of the studies on which is, it's a lot of D dha but if you were going to use Very cool devices. to the body to increase mitochondrial density or to increase blood flow or to increase nitric oxide. And then the stem cells can cross over through the blood-brain barrier.

22:31 You're doing this yourself? Yes. Yeah. And one reason for that that they say is that you get less of it degraded by the liver and the kidneys and the gut as the NAD goes into the body. Yeah, yeah, exactly. then you know it's it's absolutely mind-blowing in terms of how hard that is i don't know how But supposedly NMN, I don't know if Sinclair has any human studies coming out on this right now or at least released.

25:37 The anti-aging effect. Are you pushing it? The IV? Yeah. And how much time do you give yourself? To actually you're doing it once a week. Are you doing it yourself? Are you pushing it? I like to at least allow for 20 minutes. And why do you do it once a week? Oh, interesting. parabiosis before, this idea of taking the blood from young mice and transferring that into old

28:30 I don't know of any studies on humans. So I didn't want to put somebody else's blood into my body. You could use anything to increase the stem cell release from the blood cells. But I think, I think, and I don't know a lot about what Regenokine is doing, but I think If you did a young blood transfer. well on my knee because i have some meniscus issues on my left knee was i did what's called

31:28 set in San Jose with Dr. Matt Cook down there. He went in and did a nerve hydrodissection and he used ozone and a placental cell. It wasn't like a culture expanded placental cell, which is what I by an increase in the blood flow which is difficult to get in some areas of the knee it like a week off then start running again yeah but now i'm gonna give it a full six weeks

33:25 and back all the way up with no discomfort no weirdness yeah i kind of question the one thing with it. looked at the uh the mri and he said to me he goes you know how fucking crazy that is like you Well, BPC-157, that's the only one that's still legal, according to USADA and WADA, for athletes to use. But peptides are weird. So the, um, the idea is that these peptides are talked about a lot now in these anti-aging circles.

36:28 No. that was turning black? What if it stuck? I don't know how it's even working. what the that looks like a caulking gun They're doing something And putting it in their ass I'm curious. I know some people do that way. Yeah, it's good stuff. Those are the shit. They'll add some maltodextrin or sugar and stuff. I did a, what would you call it? And it had, I used Traeger's prime rib rub.

40:05 It's delicious, dude. So I've, I've, I've tried a bunch of different rubs on that, but just, just coarse salt and black pepper works fine for the beer can chicken on that thing at all? Yes. Beer can chicken. So I've tried a bunch of different rubs on that, But then what I figured out It doesn't seem to work so well. What do you got, Jamie? just fat. Well, you got the fat put in

41:52 Yeah, no more G-string. Because you look at the ass and you look at the legs and you go, what's wrong here? Like, what's going on there? No. Do some deadlifts. essentially, just based on a motor unit recruitment, do a triathlon. Somebody who swam in college but hasn't swam in 10 years will kick my ass just And then they took those mice and they trained them with the training protocol and the mice that

46:03 And for how long, you know, how long afterwards should get suspended for and for how long you know how long It's, what is the stuff, taranabol? where your body releases these infinitesimally small metabolites and then doesn't, things there is that but see the john j Jones situation is very tricky because he's so good and he's so dominant That's a different situation because that's a sport where,

48:16 It can't be. It used to be the opposite. It's very difficult to maintain muscle. much legal now um they they don't in season out of season yeah it's fine they just they they've Like the endocannabinoid system, when stimulated, shuts down some of your your your sense of fear when it comes to experiencing a new adventure. using. I'm not sure what they'd use in MMA right now. But ultimately, you get a good effect, but

51:48 And see, the reaction time thing And there's a few more blinky lights in the cockpit than a mat. You know, there's a lot of really overwhelming sensations that come with that marijuana high, Do you combine it with CBD? and then some of these other novel molecules like CBG or CBN. And you can take hemp or marijuana and you can actually isolate specific compounds and then combine them.

54:32 You know, there's some sort of combined effect of the THC with the CBD. I don't know about hundreds. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a lot. it's a lot of fucking cannabinoids i wonder yeah i wonder if they'll be able to like design something that a higher fat low carbohydrate diet the majority of my fats come from Mediterranean fat sources, you know, olive oils, avocado oil,

56:52 and my kids tested for our genetics. None of us boys in the Greenfield family actually have the So they use lion's mane extract now before school. 3-4. The ApoE4-4 is the one that's more concerning for that. discuss right that everybody's body really does respond differently to all sorts of different eat meat, certain days where you, where you aren't drowning all your food in olive oil. Right. And so in terms of other characteristics that you see, glycemic variability, you see very low periods of glucose fluctuations occurring throughout the day because of high intake of either fiber or legumes is a big one that you see in the blue zones, right? Like high intake of things like lentils and split mung beans and a lot of these things that get thrown under the bus now where we're talking about lectins and gut damage.

1:00:54 because that could have inflammatory proteins in it that might cause an autoimmune reaction or And even then, you know, there, there's a pretty intensive cooking process. Otherwise, I'm going to forget. meat or heavily cooked proteins particularly so the idea is you want to prepare your food in a manner that renders it digestible and that unlocks the nutrients.

1:03:31 based on self-experimentation primarily until you land on that diet that works well for you. and you're like yes meat's healing me and you start a tribe right it's a tribe it's like a It's the fact that when you start on a highly restrictive diet, that tends to be dogmatic, too. freaking Rich Roll, right? Like great guy. And he, and, and he's into like the, you know, freaking Rich Roll, right? Like great guy and he's into like the, you know, fermentation, soaking and sprouting and superfoods.

1:05:56 these folks out of the woods like look we got this one guy he's been doing it for 18 years look how look, it's impossible to deny the benefits that he's gotten. So by eliminating all those bad things from their diet and then concentrating on the one thing that they, the only one thing that they're eating, you think the one thing they're eating What's your hunt?

1:07:32 You're supposed to sit cross-legged in your sauna and manifest that shit. And it seems like And understanding Oh, wow. shooting at about 25 yards jess is shooting at about 40 yards how many pounds have they been you know how it goes you're shaking it's a little dark and yeah yeah um anyways though so i'm gonna do uh I don't know him. And he's helped me tremendously.

1:10:50 And he gives you a mantra to chant and to think about it in terms of controlling all of those movements. and went to john dudley's so his he has his own one, which is draw back and aim, get it done, all those things in my mind, but The arrow goes in the spot where you're yanking it and you're pulling it. Yeah. But Dudley would tell you that that is going to cause target panic,

1:13:29 correct fundamentals and execution of archery and then with time and understanding of the situation hunting. I like to go down there because you can spearfish. wildlife refuge wow that's a float hunt so you're floating about 40 miles down the river up there It's a big-ass gun. You're at extremely high altitude in precarious situations. So we'll be floating the river.

1:16:19 And then I'll just fly all the meat out and fly home. when you're field dressing because apparently that taints the meat and i've never field dressed a Have you connected with him? He's the one who got me the honey. yeah it's fun though yeah he's a great cook her two little arms cranking these yellow tails and you know you catch a 10 pound yellow tail

1:18:42 understand it but it seems to me like it is it's an ocean-bound I don't want to appear like I'm a hypocrite because it is fun. get a fish, it's amazing. Yeah, they wouldn't let my daughter do it, though. to dive to depths you know for if you're going after tuna you got to be able to go like 30 plus You'd call it spearfishing, but you're basically hunting underwater.

1:21:29 yeah they they really haven't changed in millions of years yeah such a freaky look they're fun to Shit That's a lot of shit drug it's it's like it's like the darling of the anti-aging industry right you know it's like a not if you're an athlete, right? that reduce blood glucose and improve insulin sensitivity That's one of those ones you see diabetics wear.

1:25:01 And even though I don't put cream or sugar in my coffee, I just drink straight up black test through this company called Cyrex. They do like a really good food allergy test that doesn't Wait a minute, explain that. But this one, it's called Cyrex. and flight mode, releasing a bunch of glucose. And I never would have really known that or gotten a to get when you take metformin, but without the side effects.

1:28:30 I want to finish listening to that interview too because he's a very smart guy. He does like a little bit of a run, a little bit of lifting. or whatever. Like I want to feel good. So whenever I'm looking at a compound like that, I'm questioning siberian school children i don't know if you've seen this one. outside in sub-zero temperatures You know, it's just old school saunas.

1:30:53 get cold natural ways to get hot if you're going to buy some expensive pulsed electromagnetic filled And the idea is that these fancy devices, now these mats that you can sleep on or do therapy on there's a, And you think of it like exercise for yourselves. Yeah. or attach to like a bum shoulder increase mitochondrial activity in the testicles, I'm at a standing desk. I work at a standing desk. I've got a light panel behind me. And every day for 20

1:34:04 you still have to look at those with a skeptical eye andhacking strategies or what have you, you still have to are adopting for eight hours per day. The best position to be in when you're working would be So I've got that in front of my standing workstation, and then I've got one of these balance boards that I can stand on. And I've got like a you're stuck indoors do you believe in one of those um have you seen one of those uh it's a

1:36:21 You push a button and they go up and down. So, again, even if you're in a corporate office, That's what we're sitting in, right? You can kind of lean on it in a weird different positions on that one what is that company that sent us something they have one There's one in another room somewhere. I think the armrests on these are so you can spin it around if you want to sit, like, A.C. Slater-style at the, like—

1:38:29 That is, in my head, that is for sure, yeah. You're sagging on your chair. And it's just, it's easy. But if somebody's interviewing me on Skype on a podcast or I'm doing a consult call with you get the software to train your dragon and so you say all these words you read all these Because most of the time I'm writing stand-up. For me, it's this chair in the corner of the living room outside of my office.

1:41:15 That's when I write. in the evening and vice versa and it's very interesting this research on chronotypes i like So if you arrive in whatever, you know, New York City from California at 3 p.m., you don't want to eat a bite of food until like 7 p.m. when it's actual dinner because that helps to regulate your circadian rhythm. I actually go outside. I take Yeah. I actually go outside.

1:43:03 Yeah. You make light into your ear? And then I've got the one that goes in the eyes. You know, like the yellowish-orange lenses. the light in front of me, the light behind me. I've done it on an IG story before. And then you Yeah. every day christmas thanksgiving what like as soon as i stop eating i'm competitive i'll set my watch to 40% of what you normally eat. So maybe you're doing maybe you're just dropping one meal, or for

1:47:12 breakfast, lunch, and dinner for me for five days in a row. It's almost like a seasonal cleaning. on Saturday and then I'll wait the whole day and then I'll have a big Sunday dinner. And honestly, And you have a long period in which you're engaged in cellular cleanup, cellular autophagy, people want to know if the butter in your coffee you know putting 800 calories of butter in your

1:49:16 And even that, if you use a paper filter, you're filtering a lot of that out. which is good for cognition. You combine those. fasted state if you want to go to a hard workout or maintain muscle or whatever. Yeah, I've got all the Onnit stuff. beetroot um any nitric oxide precursors you could probably try shroom tech um niacin a lot of people And visual acuity as well.

1:52:50 See if you can find it. What a fancy plant. or whatever to hold it on there or an ace bandage and it actually increases the Yeah, a lot of companies do. So you put your CBD oil on or your magnesium or your Arnica, I use one called a Mark Pro and just kind of surround the area that's actually torn or that's painful, The skin is a mouth. and, you know, estrogen,

1:56:35 you know, mimic estrogen in a man's body. And they actually, within a short period of time, Yeah. You'd think that the peak of performance in professional sports would have started looking it's a dollar shave club uh product it's the most fucking incredible shaving cream of all time. Huh. No, I don't grow a lot of facial hair. cells bleeding out the end do you ever like sit in bed occasionally that like there's some of the

1:59:43 Like you're not getting somebody else's which is nuts when you look at the actual serving size But you got to take a lot of it. Right, of course, yeah. THC allows you to sleep, and you've got to get to sleep at night, use THC. but you get higher deep sleep levels. And I've done that before, too, where you just take a hit on a vape pen and then take a bunch of CBD and you shoot for the best of both worlds.

2:02:58 phosphatidylserine and adaptogenic herbs and all this shit for cortisol, for getting to sleep, or for decreasing stress, you start with the breath, and then you start to I mean, that's essentially what it is. Well, they can't sleep otherwise. you know it's reinforced yeah yeah it's encouraged in fact you know all these ads and so it's not like supplementation or self-medication or the whole creation of pharmaceuticals is something that's unnatural

2:06:07 I just wonder what's happening to people's minds over long-term use of this stuff But I mean, I wonder what studies... night or you'll see periods where they just get ripped out of deep sleep. Yeah. You wake up and whole idea of sleep on it like there's there's actually something real to that that there are TEDx talk and I just, I and I made the whole TEDx talk,

2:09:20 good vibes it's it's it's really interesting. It's really interesting how there is some sort of a wisdom that's imparted on you while you're sleeping. And we walked in there. It took us about two hours to get through, just looking at everything, My 10-year-old read all of them. where you're on a roller coaster, but it's The whole Harry Potter world is really good.

2:12:04 They made marshmallows How much sugar is in the marshmallows? like you dip it in coffee and it tastes like a real donut good lord they are they're turning the orthorexic health world as a whole you know like when you read nutrition magazines and stuff So you interfere with normal cellular activity. make sure they didn't put a lot of vegetable oil and canola oil in them.

2:15:15 yeah i actually had a couple of research studies on that last year that showed an improvement in That's painting with a broad brush. two of them when i eat grain fed, it feels like a lazy cow. i actually i i didn't like my steak how fucking dare you i know i'm gonna get i'm gonna get why Maybe I had a poor Peter Luger's experience. insulin response to the meal and the use of like sweet breads for your thymus gland to

2:18:24 or the nutritionist or whatever and make this amazing like four hour you know five star meal that's You know that fucking meme online you know what the very best salt that you can get is? Like we know that iron, especially in guys now, we're finding out it's not that great. It wasn't kosher salt. It's kind of like a gray salt, and it's gray because they don't, like, bleach it.

2:20:31 know she'll make these amazing meals and the first thing i do is i just pull out the salt and just they would have some pretty robust salt conservation mechanisms to be able to hold on to sodium and hold on to salt because you're sweating more. which is one of the compounds that regulates your blood pressure, Unfortunately, Thanks for having me on.

2:22:42 There you go.